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{{Proposal}} | {{Proposal|failed|2=Clear consensus against this idea.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 18:39, January 3, 2020 (EST)}} | ||
Due to recent and repeated incidents involving IPs vandalizing articles and adding false information, especially concerning technical data, the idea has been tossed around on Discord for SmashWiki to rescrict IP editing altogether in a similar fashion to Bulbapedia and ZeldaWiki with support seemingly growing and becoming more vocal. This proposal is for the well being of SmashWiki as a reliable, credible, and trustworthy source of information for both the casual Smash Bros. community and the competitive scene. At the moment, I am personally '''Neutral''' about this and I know this will probably be a heated discussion, but I feel like officially having a proposal on the wiki itself and having a healthy discussion here is more beneficial than just spitballing in Discord. '''[[User:Voqéo|<span style="background:#000; color:white; padding:2px 6px;font-size:12px;">Voqéo</span>]][[User talk:Voqéo|<span style="background:#e70012; color:white; padding:2px 4px;font-size:12px;">T</span>]]''' 13:49, December 27, 2019 (EST) | Due to recent and repeated incidents involving IPs vandalizing articles and adding false information, especially concerning technical data, the idea has been tossed around on Discord for SmashWiki to rescrict IP editing altogether in a similar fashion to Bulbapedia and ZeldaWiki with support seemingly growing and becoming more vocal. This proposal is for the well being of SmashWiki as a reliable, credible, and trustworthy source of information for both the casual Smash Bros. community and the competitive scene. At the moment, I am personally '''Neutral''' about this and I know this will probably be a heated discussion, but I feel like officially having a proposal on the wiki itself and having a healthy discussion here is more beneficial than just spitballing in Discord. '''[[User:Voqéo|<span style="background:#000; color:white; padding:2px 6px;font-size:12px;">Voqéo</span>]][[User talk:Voqéo|<span style="background:#e70012; color:white; padding:2px 4px;font-size:12px;">T</span>]]''' 13:49, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
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#I would view this as a "last resort" and I think there are steps that should be tried before getting to that point. I'd like to recommend increased enforcement such as a new patroller group like the MarioWiki has. --[[User:Porplemontage|Porplemontage]] ([[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]) 13:56, December 27, 2019 (EST) | #I would view this as a "last resort" and I think there are steps that should be tried before getting to that point. I'd like to recommend increased enforcement such as a new patroller group like the MarioWiki has. --[[User:Porplemontage|Porplemontage]] ([[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]) 13:56, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
#No, no, a million times no. '''This is a terrible idea''' that would only serve to further isolate the Wiki from the Smash community, which like it or not is the community we owe almost all our traffic to. IP editing is an integral part of this Wiki, as it is an integral part of many wikis, and carrying out such a change would reduce the flow of information coming in. As I have said before, it is far easier to undo vandalism than it is to contribute new information to the Wiki, which I know as someone who has done both many times in the past. Many users do not wish to make an account, for various reasons, and requiring account creation [https://www.ssbwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Cheezygg1 does not stop vandalism]. Sorry if I am repeating things I have said in the past, but that's what happens when you repeatedly fight similar battles. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 14:10, December 27, 2019 (EST) | #No, no, a million times no. '''This is a terrible idea''' that would only serve to further isolate the Wiki from the Smash community, which like it or not is the community we owe almost all our traffic to. IP editing is an integral part of this Wiki, as it is an integral part of many wikis, and carrying out such a change would reduce the flow of information coming in. As I have said before, it is far easier to undo vandalism than it is to contribute new information to the Wiki, which I know as someone who has done both many times in the past. Many users do not wish to make an account, for various reasons, and requiring account creation [https://www.ssbwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Cheezygg1 does not stop vandalism]. Sorry if I am repeating things I have said in the past, but that's what happens when you repeatedly fight similar battles. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 14:10, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
#'''Oppose''' as per the same logic as Porple. Also, if [[ | #'''Oppose''' as per the same logic as Porple. Also, if [[Forum:Character articles protection list]] were to pass it would greatly reduce the amount of IPs messing around, making this proposal largely redundant. [[User:DekZek|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Dek'''</font><font color="Blue">'''Zek'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 14:45, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
#'''No.''' Let [[ | #'''No.''' Let [[Forum:Character articles protection list|the previous discussion on this topic]] take effect before even considering any "next step". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Steppin' 16:34, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
#'''That's gonna be a no from me, chief.''' Toomai basically said what I would have. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Rurouni'''</span>]] 17:40, December 27, 2019 (EST) | #'''That's gonna be a no from me, chief.''' Toomai basically said what I would have. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Rurouni'''</span>]] 17:40, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
#Eh, as an admin on WikiBound, where IPs are restricted from editing, this looks more like an attempt by those irritated by the recent IP incidents to stop IPs from messing up any article for good. Voqéo mentions that it is especially an issue on the techical data, which we [[ | #Eh, as an admin on WikiBound, where IPs are restricted from editing, this looks more like an attempt by those irritated by the recent IP incidents to stop IPs from messing up any article for good. Voqéo mentions that it is especially an issue on the techical data, which we [[Forum:Character articles protection list|currently have a proposal to resolve this issue that hasn't been passed or failed]], so this is way too rushed. Yes some IPs are a pain to deal with, but at the same time a lot of IPs are good faith and have been helpful on a lot of pages, even on character changelists. | ||
::Saying "creating an account taks no effort" only makes the support side look worse when saying it will prevent vandalism: that means people can easily also create a vandal account to vandalise pages. Even if IPs can frequently recently vandalize pages, look at the [[SmashWiki:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 16|archives on the admin noticeboard]], which clearly proves restricting IPs will ''not'' stop vandalism. | ::Saying "creating an account taks no effort" only makes the support side look worse when saying it will prevent vandalism: that means people can easily also create a vandal account to vandalise pages. Even if IPs can frequently recently vandalize pages, look at the [[SmashWiki:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 16|archives on the admin noticeboard]], which clearly proves restricting IPs will ''not'' stop vandalism. | ||
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#'''No''' because I am a helpful IP. [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 19:36, December 27, 2019 (EST) | #'''No''' because I am a helpful IP. [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 19:36, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
::I believe that disallowing IPs to edit goes against what a wiki stands for. [[File:George Jones.jpg|25px]] [[User:White Lightning|White Lightning]] [[File:Walls Can Fall.jpg|25px]] 13:26, January 3, 2020 (EST) | |||
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#Although I have gradually leaned more towards the support side with my recent experiences with IPs, I still don't think it's the greatest idea as of right now, especially since 1. there are still helpful IPs and 2. Not all pages are being "targeted" by IPs. My frustration currently stems from the fact that there isn't a way to properly control an IP like a user, since the same person can use different IPs and thereby both get around a block or miss out talk page messages, and if there's a way to control that I would support that. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:12, December 27, 2019 (EST) | #Although I have gradually leaned more towards the support side with my recent experiences with IPs, I still don't think it's the greatest idea as of right now, especially since 1. there are still helpful IPs and 2. Not all pages are being "targeted" by IPs. My frustration currently stems from the fact that there isn't a way to properly control an IP like a user, since the same person can use different IPs and thereby both get around a block or miss out talk page messages, and if there's a way to control that I would support that. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:12, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
#I'm more for protecting the more important pages than disallowing IPs to edit altogether, but whatever solves the problem. [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 18:24, December 27, 2019 (EST) | #I'm more for protecting the more important pages than disallowing IPs to edit altogether, but whatever solves the problem. [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 18:24, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
#I think we should wait until [[ | #I think we should wait until [[Forum:Character articles protection list|this proposal]] is resolved before we decide anything about disabling IP editing altogether. If we put that proposal into effect and the amount of IPs making unconstructive contributions are still outweighing the number of constructive contributions, i would support this proposal. Though i think it'd be a good idea if we allowed talk pages to still be edited by IPs to suggest edits, similarly to how Wikipedia does for protected pages. [[User:Searingjet|Searingjet]] ([[User talk:Searingjet|talk]]) 19:00, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||