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{{proposal|y|Proposed article has been created over the '''Instant KO''' redirect.}}
 
'''See the complete proposed article [[User:SuperFalconBros/Instant KO|here]].'''


Currently, [[Instant KO]] redirects to [[One-hit KO]]. Terminology aside, the article includes several examples of true "instant KOs" that clearly do not belong in the article, which is otherwise essentially a list of particularly powerful launching attacks. The instant KO examples, however, are not launching attacks, and some of them aren't attacks at all. They are things like [[Danger Zone|Danger Zones]], [[Obliviate]], and getting [[crush|crushed]]. This list is not complete even for Smash 4 instances, and Ultimate looks to be getting several more, seen with Final Smashes, Mimimkyu, KOs in stamina mode until the last stock, and more.
Currently, [[Instant KO]] redirects to [[One-hit KO]]. Terminology aside, the article includes several examples of true "instant KOs" that clearly do not belong in the article, which is otherwise essentially a list of particularly powerful launching attacks. The instant KO examples, however, are not launching attacks, and some of them aren't attacks at all. They are things like [[Danger Zone|Danger Zones]], [[Obliviate]], and getting [[crush|crushed]]. This list is not complete even for Smash 4 instances, and Ultimate looks to be getting several more, seen with Final Smashes, Mimimkyu, KOs in stamina mode until the last stock, and more.
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:After reading through numerous articles that use "instant KO" to refer to the instant death effect, and seeing that [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Instant_KO|no articles]] actually use the Instant KO redirect to refer to OHKO, I'd like to more strongly suggest that the new article assume the "Instant KO" moniker and the old redirect be removed. Even the Nintendo Directs say "instantly KO" when talking about Danger Zones and Death's Scythe. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 23:07, 2 September 2018 (EDT)
:After reading through numerous articles that use "instant KO" to refer to the instant death effect, and seeing that [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Instant_KO|no articles]] actually use the Instant KO redirect to refer to OHKO, I'd like to more strongly suggest that the new article assume the "Instant KO" moniker and the old redirect be removed. Even the Nintendo Directs say "instantly KO" when talking about Danger Zones and Death's Scythe. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 23:07, 2 September 2018 (EDT)
:I think this makes sense as proposed. [[User:Sniffnoy|Sniffnoy]] ([[User talk:Sniffnoy|talk]]) 14:57, 3 September 2018 (EDT)
:I think this makes sense as proposed. [[User:Sniffnoy|Sniffnoy]] ([[User talk:Sniffnoy|talk]]) 14:57, 3 September 2018 (EDT)
:: Clarification: That's a '''support''', to be clear. [[User:Sniffnoy|Sniffnoy]] ([[User talk:Sniffnoy|talk]]) 22:26, 19 September 2018 (EDT)
:Although I support the creation of the article, I oppose placing it over the Instant KO page for the reasons discussed on that talk page. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 14:46, 4 September 2018 (EDT)
:Although I support the creation of the article, I oppose placing it over the Instant KO page for the reasons discussed on that talk page. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 14:46, 4 September 2018 (EDT)
::'''HIGHLY SUPPORT''' AI definitely want a page for this type of KO, and every Nintendo Direct I've seen describes it as being "instantly KO'd". [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:17, 4 September 2018 (EDT)
::'''HIGHLY SUPPORT''' AI definitely want a page for this type of KO, and every Nintendo Direct I've seen describes it as being "instantly KO'd". [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:17, 4 September 2018 (EDT)
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::Also, your statement "<I>Instant KO is still a OHKO" is false</i>, because it only KOs if the damage meter is high enough, meaning it doesn't KO at 0%. In otherwords: OHKO and instant KO are <B>2 completely different things. </b> Have I cleared things up? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:39, 16 September 2018 (EDT)
::Also, your statement "<I>Instant KO is still a OHKO" is false</i>, because it only KOs if the damage meter is high enough, meaning it doesn't KO at 0%. In otherwords: OHKO and instant KO are <B>2 completely different things. </b> Have I cleared things up? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:39, 16 September 2018 (EDT)
:::So, you're telling me these two terms are different. Being crushed is a instant kill, while a attack with very high knockback to KO at zero is a OHKO. Fine, I suppose that's acceptable. We need consent first from a administrator. But, I don't know - and I doubt a administrator will ever accept that proposal. [[User:Michele|Michele]] ([[User talk:Michele|talk]])
:::So, you're telling me these two terms are different. Being crushed is a instant kill, while a attack with very high knockback to KO at zero is a OHKO. Fine, I suppose that's acceptable. We need consent first from a administrator. But, I don't know - and I doubt a administrator will ever accept that proposal. [[User:Michele|Michele]] ([[User talk:Michele|talk]])
::::No such rule exists. If a consensus can be reached without the input of an administrator then the change can go ahead. See [[SW:ADMIN#Administrators_are_not_kings|administrators are not kings]]. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 08:10, 17 September 2018 (EDT)
:I think the split is in line with the wiki's goal of documentation of the game, so I support it on the condition that sufficient disambiguation of the terms is provided in the content of the page. &ndash; [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 12:12, 21 September 2018 (EDT)
'''Support''', could definitely see this as its own article. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 20:35, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
===Support===
*[[User:Sniffnoy|Sniffnoy]]
*[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]]
*[[User:Trainer Alex|Trainer Alex]]{{rollover|*|Opposes naming it Instant KO}}
*[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]]
*[[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]]
*[[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]]
*[[User:DryKirby64|DryKirby64]]
*[[User:Emmett|Emmett]]
*[[User:Awesomelink234|Awesomelink234]]
*[[User:TimmaTurtle|TimmaTurtle]]
===Oppose===
*[[User:Michele|Michele]]
===Neutral===
*[[User:Black Vulpine|Black Vulpine]]
Did I miss anyone? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:15, 19 September 2018 (EDT)
:You forgot [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]]'s support.
:You could also add [[User:Black Vulpine|Black Vulpine]]'s neutral vote, just in case. — [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=]] [[User:Nokii|'''{{color|#8090d8|Nokii}}''']] (''[[User_talk:Nokii|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Nokii|C]]·[[Special:Log/Nokii|L]]'') 23:45, 19 September 2018 (EDT)
Thanks. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 11:21, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
:I gave my support as well, but I know it's easily missed because it's in a block of text. I'll add myself in real quick. (I'm fine with naming it Instant KO, since the synonym isn't as common as I thought it was.) [[User:DryKirby64|DryKirby64]] ([[User talk:DryKirby64|talk]]) 20:21, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
Do I count? [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 09:12, 21 September 2018 (EDT)
:Good question. I don't know. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 10:59, 21 September 2018 (EDT)
Bumping once again. Not including myself, there are 8 votes in support (of which 1 opposes the name Instant KO) versus 1 oppose outright, and 1 neutral. Would like to hear if there are any other thoughts on this. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 19:12, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:So, how many supports do we need before we can make the change? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 11:23, 27 September 2018 (EDT)
::It's been a month since I opened this. With 10 (or 11) votes of support, of which only 1 disagrees with the proposed name, and 1 oppose vote, I think we have a consensus. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 12:54, 29 September 2018 (EDT)