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 I took a test of Charizard ( my favorite and best character) and Pikachu because I didn't really believe that a heavywieght like Charizard could match Pikachu. Using stage builder, I made 2 long different platforms and put the characters on the end of both. Then I made them run at the same time. To my surprise Charizard made it a few milliseconds before Pikachu. This ment Charizard is actually FASTER then Pikachu. The difference is really REALLY small however but the Orange Dragon is faster then the Yellow Mouse.[[User:Drakon64|Drakon64]] ([[User talk:Drakon64|talk]]) 22:59, 27 November 2011 (EST)
 :Dashing speed wise, Charizard is indeed as fast as or slightly faster than Pikachu, and faster than most characters in Brawl. But for how "fast" a character is, there is much more that goes into it than dashing speed. Charizard's dashing speed blows away Squirtle's dashing speed, but once you factor in walking speed, air speed, the start-up lag of their attacks, the ending lag of their attacks...Squirtle is a character that clearly fights at a much faster speed. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:36, 27 November 2011 (EST)
-::True.....but if we are going to compare Charizard to Squirtle, I can put up a much better fight then my resorting in [[Mewtwo(SSBB)]]. Charizard combines his dashing speed with his power when I play as him. The kick breaks any frontal attempt to fight and leaves enemy at the mercy of Charizard's attack combo. Even a skilled Meta-Knight player will have small difficulty with this. As for aerials, Charizard's up smash can thwart any overhead attack with great unpredictable speed. Flamethrower blocks and cancels projectile attacks. It also stops enemies in their tracks, and especially dangerous if used airborne. It also stalls so user can plan next move while foe tries to escape. As for aerial ATTACKS , Charizard best uses his aerials on grounded, off stage and overhead foes. Most of Charizard's attacks while grounded give awesome knockback and damage. For recovery, Fly is only a little boost upward. It does however, knock off characters edge hogging and blocking if they come in contact, thanks to it's high knockback. Gliding also helps Charizard safely get back on stage if knocked far where most other characters fall and get KOed. Rock Smash works like Flamethrower only more damaging. Works best on larger or taller characters. Grabing is where Charizard shows real ferocity. None to damaging but will send opponents flying with ease. Charizard isn't too much of a dodger, but slower dodging equals longer invincibility time. Charizard's neutral aerial is a great way to react against being attacked and sent slightly in air. All this plus his heavy weight really makes a force to be reckoned with.[[User:Drakon64|Drakon64]] ([[User talk:Drakon64|talk]]) 00:22, 28 November 2011 (EST)
+::True.....but if we are going to compare Charizard to Squirtle, I can put up a much better fight then my resorting in [[Mewtwo (SSBB)]]. Charizard combines his dashing speed with his power when I play as him. The kick breaks any frontal attempt to fight and leaves enemy at the mercy of Charizard's attack combo. Even a skilled Meta-Knight player will have small difficulty with this. As for aerials, Charizard's up smash can thwart any overhead attack with great unpredictable speed. Flamethrower blocks and cancels projectile attacks. It also stops enemies in their tracks, and especially dangerous if used airborne. It also stalls so user can plan next move while foe tries to escape. As for aerial ATTACKS , Charizard best uses his aerials on grounded, off stage and overhead foes. Most of Charizard's attacks while grounded give awesome knockback and damage. For recovery, Fly is only a little boost upward. It does however, knock off characters edge hogging and blocking if they come in contact, thanks to it's high knockback. Gliding also helps Charizard safely get back on stage if knocked far where most other characters fall and get KOed. Rock Smash works like Flamethrower only more damaging. Works best on larger or taller characters. Grabing is where Charizard shows real ferocity. None to damaging but will send opponents flying with ease. Charizard isn't too much of a dodger, but slower dodging equals longer invincibility time. Charizard's neutral aerial is a great way to react against being attacked and sent slightly in air. All this plus his heavy weight really makes a force to be reckoned with.[[User:Drakon64|Drakon64]] ([[User talk:Drakon64|talk]]) 00:22, 28 November 2011 (EST)
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 :::::In honesty, you seem to be highly biased towards Charizard, and lack competitive experience (saying Snake is only good for one combo is a huge flag here). Have you ever been to a serious tournament before, or at least fought competent players in a competitive manner? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:52, 28 November 2011 (EST)
-::::::I never fought Snake when he was in control of an actual good Snake player. Believe it or not I rarely use the other Pokemon in battle EVER and I managed 21 KOs in Cruel Brawl. However I take back most of what I said about Snake, because I had used him not a long time ago and found all of his physical attacks AMAZING. And yes I've been to serious tourneys at a Books a Million and won 2nd place in a 32 player finals ( lost to Meta-Knight player # 19 but gave a fantastic effort). Players scratched their heads in confusion of how Charizard could ever match a Meta-Knight. Only one person used Snake and lost during quarter finals by a Luigi player.My friend Lenny played Toon Link but lost to that particular player ( Meta-Knight #19). I use other characters in battle a lot but Charizard is my main, not Pokemon Trainer. I can match other Players who use the broken Meta-Knight with extreme unpredictability and change tactics that
+::::::I never fought Snake when he was in control of an actual good Snake player. Believe it or not I rarely use the other Pokemon in battle EVER and I managed 21 KOs in Cruel Brawl. However I take back most of what I said about Snake, because I had used him not a long time ago and found all of his physical attacks AMAZING. And yes I've been to serious tourneys at a Books a Million and won 2nd place in a 32 player finals ( lost to Meta-Knight player # 19 but gave a fantastic effort). Players scratched their heads in confusion of how Charizard could ever match a Meta-Knight. Only one person used Snake and lost during quarter finals by a Luigi player.My friend Lenny played Toon Link but lost to that particular player ( Meta-Knight #19). I use other characters in battle a lot but Charizard is my main, not Pokemon Trainer. I can match other Players who use the broken Meta-Knight with extreme unpredictability and change tactics that both work and don't work throughout battle at random times. Saying I have lack of competitive experience is a real big insult on me so I had to explain otherwise.[[User:Drakon64|Drakon64]] ([[User talk:Drakon64|talk]]) 16:53, 28 November 2011 (EST)
-both work and don't work throughout battle at random times. Saying I have lack of competitive experience is a real big insult on me so I had to explain otherwise.[[User:Drakon64|Drakon64]] ([[User talk:Drakon64|talk]]) 16:53, 28 November 2011 (EST)
 :::::::In my experience, nearly every player who is over zealous about their low/bottom tier mains tend to have next to no competitive experience, especially if they claim a bonafide top/high tier character is a poor character. Nice to see though that you aren't completely inexperienced. Anyway, it's fine to think your character is underrated (which can work as a good source of motivation to succeed in competitive play), but avoid getting delusional about it. Failure to recognise your character's shortcomings will hinder your progress and your success with them. The best way to prove a character is underrated though, is by succeeding with them in tournament well beyond what their tier placement would indicate (like [[Smasher:San|San]] did with Ike). No amount of theorycraft and debate can compare to consistent high tournament placings. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:49, 28 November 2011 (EST)
-Ya don't say...... Any tourneys near Jacksonville, Florida? I think Im gonna try raising Charizard up in ranks :3[[User:Drakon64|Drakon64]] ([[User talk:Drakon64|talk]]) 20:27, 28 November 2011 (EST)
+:::::::::Ya don't say...... Any tourneys near Jacksonville, Florida? I think Im gonna try raising Charizard up in ranks :3[[User:Drakon64|Drakon64]] ([[User talk:Drakon64|talk]]) 20:27, 28 November 2011 (EST)
+::::::::::To my knowledge, Florida has one of the most active regions in the States. I would suggest going on Smashboards, and finding your region thread, where you can then meet other players in your region and get connected. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:53, 28 November 2011 (EST)
+::::::::::Note that the reason Charizard is so low is not because he's bad; as an independant character he's generally considered solid mid tier. However, as part of the poorly conceived Pokemon Trainer, he can't rise very well in tiers. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  21:13, 28 November 2011 (EST)
+:::::::::::Where have you heard people say Charizard is mid tier potential? He's commonly considered among the low tiers. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:27, 28 November 2011 (EST)
+::::::::::::I thought it was Ivysaur who was considered low tier? Anyways, according to [http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=222115 this] in depth Pokemon Trainer guide, Charizard is almost as useful as Squirtle and is extremely useful in Team Matches. Given, this may not be a completely perfect representation of the Brawl meta-game, but [http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=247362 this] more recent guide also describes him as a "mixed reviewed" character, which puts him at mid tier, no? [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  21:38, 28 November 2011 (EST)
+:::::::::::::Mixed review doesn't necessarily equate to mid tier, mixed review means the character's tier placement is disputed (such as if he's mid tier or low tier). And I wouldn't trust that first guide, besides being very old, its statements are not of the general consensus. And one more thing, a guide isn't the way to see how a character is viewed, as they are written by those who main the character, and will naturally say their character is better than what the consensus views them more often than not. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:57, 28 November 2011 (EST)
+::::::::::::::I believe you, since I know nothing about the Pokemon Trainer's metagame, but that's just where I got the idea that Charizard was mid tier. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  23:39, 28 November 2011 (EST)
+WAIT JUST A FREAKING SECOND!ON THE SMASH ARENA YOU (Omega Tyrant) said that if all 3 fought each other,Charizard would win.Not to mention he had more than double of Squirtle's votes. "Squirtle is considered the best of the 3 by far" what a load of frog cr@p!!!!!![[User:Drakon64|Drakon64]] ([[User talk:Drakon64|talk]]) 19:15, 8 December 2011 (EST)