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 :Every stage that has these characters has a section on them (or at least mentions them). [[Kraid|Most]] [[Birdo|of]] [[Pidgit|them]] [[Fly Guy|even]] [[Toad|have]] [[Whispy Woods|their]] [[Banzai Bill|own]] [[Klaptrap|articles]] ([[Tingle|I]] [[Lakitu|ran]] [[Bronto Burt|out]] [[King Dedede|of]] [[Peppy Hare|words]], [[Slippy Toad|but]] [[F-Zero Racers|here's]] more). I think that's enough, really. This pages' scope is mostly for fully controllable (by use of debug tools or hacks) characters with full, fleshed out movesets. This is why SSE and Smash Run enemies aren't here (SSE does have a link to a better article for it, but eh whatever). <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 19:26, 19 April 2017 (EDT)
 :: Oh okay that makes sense.  Its weird that the "common enemies" would be included though.  [[User:JiffyD|JiffyD]] ([[User talk:JiffyD|talk]]) 02:04, 20 April 2017 (EDT)
+== Gooigi as a moveset NPC  ==
+I feel it was not ideal for [[user:CanvasK|CanvasK]] to simply undo my constructive edit without due discussion first, but I of course don't want to edit war so I'll go ahead and start that discussion here. It is true that there are several such of what I would call "implicit characters" found in the movesets of certain fighters, like [[Sothis]]'s heart in [[Byleth]] and Zanza being the soul of [[Shulk]]'s Monado, and I very much agree that listing them all would be inappropriate for this page as they are not all clearly identifiable as that character's form. However, I think Gooigi is a different situation. While something like Sothis being inside of Byleth is something you cannot visibly see (except in the last 2 alternate costumes, and even that, that is not Sothis's personal form, but a merged form of the two), and Zanza in the Monado is just his soul, Gooigi inside the [[Poltergust G-00]] during {{SSBU|Luigi}}'s grabs, throws, and final smash is his visible, identifiable, physical form, totally comparable to something like [[Toad]] in [[Peach]]'s moves or Navi in [[Young Link]]'s taunts.
+A green gooey mass inside the Poltergust G-00 is not his "main" form (at least, not the form from which his name is derived), but it's still him (and indeed, it is a form he would likely be in for most of the single-player mode of the game in which this Poltergust is later used), not inside of any other character or anything, but rather visibly him. The only potential argument against I can think of would have been that because the appearance in Smash predated much of our information about {{s|mariowiki|Luigi's Mansion 3}}, we didn't initially know that it was Gooigi there, but by now we can say it clearly is him. Maybe there are some better counterexamples that would demonstrate why including a character seen in an identifiable and distinct yet somewhat nonstandard-for-them form would be a slippery slope, but those examples I've seen are quite unsatisfying. I think we all want this wiki to be as comprehensive about the details of Smash, and I think this is a reasonable inclusion to that end. I hope this is convincing to people, or if not, that some discussion can bring about a resolution on this. [[User:Pk62001|Pk62001]] ([[User talk:Pk62001|talk]]) 17:06, October 26, 2022 (EDT)