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Too many pros repeated, or just worded differently. So i put them together. (good character but was lengthy with no need to be). Each character has same chance of pratfalling. [[User:Phayz|Phayz]] ([[User talk:Phayz|talk]]) 15:13, 9 August 2008 (UTC) | Too many pros repeated, or just worded differently. So i put them together. (good character but was lengthy with no need to be). Each character has same chance of pratfalling. [[User:Phayz|Phayz]] ([[User talk:Phayz|talk]]) 15:13, 9 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
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new project, go read the new project for info. - [[Special:Contributions/68.158.116.134|68.158.116.134]] 01:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC) | new project, go read the new project for info. - [[Special:Contributions/68.158.116.134|68.158.116.134]] 01:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
I put in the pros and cons of MK. Doc King <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:64.252.128.121|64.252.128.121]] ([[User talk:64.252.128.121|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/64.252.128.121|contribs]]) 20:28, April 21, 2010 (UTC)</small> | |||
:The pros/cons sections were intentionally removed, don't re-add them. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 20:36, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Why not? And how come u always delete my stuff, I'm just trying to help with this site so don't delete my stuff or I'll delete yours! Doc King <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:64.252.128.121|64.252.128.121]] ([[User talk:64.252.128.121|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/64.252.128.121|contribs]]) 21:14, April 21, 2010 (UTC)</small> | |||
:::It was decided that having an attributes section was better than a pros/cons section, so they were all changed. Also, trying to threaten people is a really stupid idea that only gets users blocked. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 21:18, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== All Around Hyrule Jump == | == All Around Hyrule Jump == | ||
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Seriously. WTF. Meta Knight is the BEST character in the game. I can beat ANYONE with Meta Knight. Except some of my friends...but level 9's are like level 1's if ur using MK. Seriously people. WTF. [[User:MetaKnight848|MetaKnight848]] ([[User talk:MetaKnight848|talk]]) 05:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC) | Seriously. WTF. Meta Knight is the BEST character in the game. I can beat ANYONE with Meta Knight. Except some of my friends...but level 9's are like level 1's if ur using MK. Seriously people. WTF. [[User:MetaKnight848|MetaKnight848]] ([[User talk:MetaKnight848|talk]]) 05:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
You know when you claim that MK is the best and you can beat anyone, except some of your friends. This means that characters have nothing to do with it, skill does. Your friends just so happen to be better than you. Personally I've beat everyone I've played, and I play with Ike. So does that make Ike the best? Of course not!! It just means that I have some considerable amount of Skill with Ike. I do understand how MK is first place on the tier, the people who play as him happen to have the best skill. If those people chose to play as sonic then sonic would be best, or if they chose to play as any other character then that character would be the best. | |||
He's the best man. I beat him(along with just kirby) to beat Tabuu. without dying except when he got out his wings....[[User:Malon Girl5|Malon girl5]] ([[User talk:Malon Girl5|talk]]) 23:29, May 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Okay, OFFICIALLY, according to the most recent tier list alone, MK is considered the best character in the game. That doesn't necessarily mean that other characters can't beat him. As previously stated, all matches, no matter what characters are used, come down to skill. My cousin is an excellent MK player, and my Toon Link is STILL better than him. Tier lists basically come down to generalization anyways; Mach Tornado, Drill Rush, and the Dimensional Cape are great for recovery--if you know what the limits of those moves are. By no means are those the best recovery moves in the game, simply because all of them put you into the helpless state. Personally--and this is JUST my opinion, as everything else so far has been on this page--Kirby and R.O.B. have the best potential for recoveries, Kirby because of his jump ability, horizontal gain thanks to the Hammer, and vertical recovery granted by Final Cutter; R.O.B. for the mere fact that his recovery keeps him airborne for up to about five seconds, which is a lot, and because none of his moves make him helpless. Regardless of all this, I'm still religiously going to play as either Toon Link or G&W, depending on my mood. Making MK the best character based on technicality isn't going to change that. [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 21:12, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Don't post on topics that have talked about for a month. [[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="green">DP99]]</font><font color="orange"> ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|C]][[User Talk:Dr. Pain 99|T]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99|E]])</font>[[file:dp99.png]] 21:16, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::You know, I thought about that before I hit the save button. The most recent update before mine was about nine months after the post immediately before it. I assumed, based on the excessive space between the posts on this topic, that said topic was still open for discussion. Now, regardless of the vibe you're receiving from this post--or any of my other posts, for that matter--I apologize for my flawed observation of this topic and will resolve to abstain from posting anything further on the matter. [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 21:34, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== PRO"S AND CONS! == | == PRO"S AND CONS! == | ||
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Pretty much because he is too powerful, and is considered unfair there. [[User:(Benji_Man)|<font face="Marker Felt" color="FF0000">BEN!</font>]] | Pretty much because he is too powerful, and is considered unfair there. [[User:(Benji_Man)|<font face="Marker Felt" color="FF0000">BEN!</font>]] | ||
PPL he ain't banned in Italy, It says it in the article that only 1/3 of the votes were to kick Meta out of Tourneys so he stays as one of the tourney characters. Doc King (Don't have an account) | |||
== Meta Knight == | == Meta Knight == | ||
I like Meta Knight!--[[Special:Contributions/71.80.8.126|71.80.8.126]] 23:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC) | I like Meta Knight!--[[Special:Contributions/71.80.8.126|71.80.8.126]] 23:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
me 2, he's awsome! fight me![[User:Malon Girl5|Malon girl5]] ([[User talk:Malon Girl5|talk]]) 23:31, May 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Banning in Italy == | == Banning in Italy == | ||
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you sure Meta Knight is banned in Italy? I heard that it was merely a mistranslation of a poll asking whether Meta Knight should be banned. [[Special:Contributions/92.237.21.186|92.237.21.186]] 17:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC) | Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you sure Meta Knight is banned in Italy? I heard that it was merely a mistranslation of a poll asking whether Meta Knight should be banned. [[Special:Contributions/92.237.21.186|92.237.21.186]] 17:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
no your right hes not banned they thought he was[[Special:Contributions/38.116.192.100|38.116.192.100]] 19:32, March 3, 2010 (UTC)im unregestered | |||
== Unused sound == | == Unused sound == | ||
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::http://Fortenium0.googlepages.com/MetaKnight-US-Nowmypower.wav Think this is fine to use here? [[User:Fortenium|Fortenium]] ([[User talk:Fortenium|talk]]) 01:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | ::http://Fortenium0.googlepages.com/MetaKnight-US-Nowmypower.wav Think this is fine to use here? [[User:Fortenium|Fortenium]] ([[User talk:Fortenium|talk]]) 01:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::How do we know this was said in the game? [[User:JtM|JtM =^]]] ([[User talk:JtM|talk]]) 04:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | :::How do we know this was said in the game? [[User:JtM|JtM =^]]] ([[User talk:JtM|talk]]) 04:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::This was in a zip dump of all sounds in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and all of Meta Knight's sounds were there, but this one was never used. Not only is it there, but you can't fake this unless you're the man who voiced Meta Knight. Plus this is the one game where Meta Knight has a voice actor, so this is not from a different game. | ::::This was in a zip dump of all sounds in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and all of Meta Knight's sounds were there, but this one was never used. Not only is it there, but you can't fake this unless you're the man who voiced Meta Knight. Plus this is the one game where Meta Knight has a voice actor, so this is not from a different game. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Fortenium|Fortenium]] ([[User talk:Fortenium|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fortenium|contribs]]) 18:40, 26 November 2008</small> | ||
:::::sounds like a victory pose. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 23:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC) | :::::sounds like a victory pose. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 23:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::::It probably was going to be. So, think I should put this in the Trivia part or is it best left off here? | ::::::It probably was going to be. So, think I should put this in the Trivia part or is it best left off here? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:71.67.168.133|71.67.168.133]] ([[User talk:71.67.168.133|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.67.168.133|contribs]]) 07:45, 23 December 2008</small> | ||
== WTF people. == | == WTF people. == | ||
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Luigi can do it, I've tested it. The nair can still hit opponents. It's just that the nair can't be lag canceled (but it has almost no lag). [[User:Firewario|Firewario]] ([[User talk:Firewario|talk]]) 15:27, October 24, 2009 (UTC) | Luigi can do it, I've tested it. The nair can still hit opponents. It's just that the nair can't be lag canceled (but it has almost no lag). [[User:Firewario|Firewario]] ([[User talk:Firewario|talk]]) 15:27, October 24, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:That's good to know - I've just updated the [[Lucario (SSBB)]] and [[Luigi (SSBB)]] articles to match the Meta Knight (SSBB) article. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 15:42, October 24, 2009 (UTC) | :That's good to know - I've just updated the [[Lucario (SSBB)]] and [[Luigi (SSBB)]] articles to match the Meta Knight (SSBB) article. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 15:42, October 24, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Who uses Luigi?He only made it into one game EVER and it bad. Luigi's mansion was a waste of monry for me.... | |||
Dude I friggin love Luigi | |||
Yeah, a-don't diss a-Luigi [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 21:18, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Main page trivia?== | ==Main page trivia?== | ||
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== Noobs == | == Noobs == | ||
Only noobs use meta knight. It's freaking overpowered and requires no skill to use. It should be totally banned. | Only noobs use meta knight. It's freaking overpowered and requires no skill to use. It should be totally banned.<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:85.156.207.76|85.156.207.76]] ([[User talk:85.156.207.76|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/85.156.207.76|contribs]]) </small> | ||
:U madd?'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 19:42, November 1, 2009 (UTC) | |||
:: =0 That wouldn't be fair in tournys. What if people are ONLY good with Meta Knight? Or what if it was an only M.K. tournament??[[User:HavocReaper48|HavocReaper48]] ([[User talk:HavocReaper48|talk]]) 21:56, November 1, 2009 (UTC) | |||
Everyone keeps saying this. But wouldn't that mean Fox from Melee and Pikachu from SSB should be banned too? And how is your statement constructive here? You aren't suggesting anything. [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 01:28, November 9, 2009 (UTC) | |||
Soo are you calling some of the best smashers there is NOOBS!? [[User:Spinodontosaurus|Spinodontosaurus]] ([[User talk:Spinodontosaurus|talk]]) 19:59, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | |||
This is not true because Mew2King plays Meta Knight and he is considered one of the best players in the world. Although many of them are cheap spammers, some people who play him are very good and famous. Doc King (Don't have an account)<br /> | |||
wow, there's a lot of critism... <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Malon Girl5 |Malon Girl5 ]] ([[User talk:Malon Girl5 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Malon Girl5 |contribs]]) 23:37, May 14, 2010</small> | |||
Guys, calm down. Why is everybody here either hate Meta Knight, or love him? Sure, my best fighter is Meta Knight, which may qualify me as a "Noob who only uses high-tier characters", but my second best isn't Diddy Kong or Snake, it's Ike. I am good with Captain Falcon and stink with the Ice Climbers. Who you use should be with who you're best with, not just high-tiered characters. If you really want to even out the tiers, instead of banning Meta Knight, you could embrace Ganondorf and try to build a good metagame for him. I'm trying with Ike at this moment. USE_YOUR_MOST_SKILLED. Period. [[User:Meta Ike|Meta Ike]] ([[User talk:Meta Ike|talk]]) 16:52, 17 February 2012 (EST) | |||
:Don't respond to year plus old conversations, especially those that violated [[SW:TALK]] to begin with. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:54, 17 February 2012 (EST) | |||
==Techniques== | |||
I remember all the fighters had a list of techniques on their pages. What happened to them? I was going to put them back but I don't want to cause controversy. The techniques sections were helpful. Meta Knight has many good techniques such as his pseudo-crawl and double glide. Does anyone have an opinion on this? [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 02:02, November 9, 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Removed as part of the post-merge cleanup project, replaced by Attributes. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="orange"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="saddlebrown">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="saddlebrown">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:42, November 10, 2009 (UTC) | |||
Then you might want to check some of the Melee articles. If I remember correctly, Mewtwo still has a Techniques section (though miniscule). [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 21:20, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==I phail with MK!== | |||
This is very surprising but I fail with mk. I play better with the other characters like Sonic and Fox. Doc King (no account) <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:64.252.147.155|64.252.147.155]] ([[User talk:64.252.147.155|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/64.252.147.155|contribs]]) 00:42, April 17, 2010 (UTC)</small> | |||
:This is [[SW:NOT|not the place for babbling]]. And sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (and that only), whether you have an account or not. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 00:45, April 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Sorry Toomai, I was just saying this to see how I can improve with him and if tiers really do exist. Doc King | |||
also btw thanks for helping me with this site, I really appriciate it. Doc King | |||
:No. This is not the place to talk about tiers. Tiers are proven to exist. Please bring this elsewhere. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 18:25, April 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
It's a discussion page smart one. You're allowed to talk about anything [[Meta Knight (SSBB)|MK]] related. Doc King <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:64.252.128.121|64.252.128.121]] ([[User talk:64.252.128.121|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/64.252.128.121|contribs]]) 20:28, April 21, 2010 (UTC)</small> | |||
:No. This is supposed to be a discussion page about how to improve the article. This is [[SW:NOT|not a forum]], go to SmashBoards for that. And sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 20:36, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Pit vs. Meta Knight == | |||
Hmm... One would think that Pit would be the answer to Meta Knight. | |||
Pit and Meta Knight are fairly similar in terms of abilities. Pit's multiple reflections definately help out in a battle, especially since one of them blocks all physical attacks and spins the character around as well. Pit also has a very cheap and eeasily spammable arrow which can be charged or fired immediately, can hit the whole screen, is controllable and have interruption ability. Metal Knight has a better Up B, a better Smash, and multiple recoveries. However, they all leave him helpless, and he is a little lighter. | |||
Each has one area they are better at than the other. If they are fairly similar, then I am wondering why Meta Knight is significantly higher on the list. | |||
To clarify, Meta Knight is in his own Tier, Tier S, the higest one possible. Pit is in Tier C, along with my main character, Toon Link. I'm wondering why Pit is so much lower on the list than Meta Knight. [[Special:Contributions/205.56.210.194|205.56.210.194]] 01:17, April 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:First of all, this doesn't belong here. Second, Meta is faster, so good luck KOing him. Third, Pit doesn't have Tornado. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 01:31, April 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::That alone is enough to make Pit plummet halfway down the list? I'm not a Pit main, but seems rather harsh for a character that is reasonably smiliar to Meta Knight. Playing against Pit is fairly annoying, because you have to deal with infinite range arrows that can be curved, preventing proper reflection and able to hit enemies in odd places, even straight up. Multiple refelctions, including one that renders all physical attacks null and spins the target around, plus gliding and multiple jumps like Meta Knight. (Meta Knight and Pit both have a few advantages and disadvantages over each other. Seems to me like it would be a fairly even match up. (Once again, I am saying this as a player who does not main MK or Pit.) I just would like to know why there is such a disparity between the two, I am not arguing or debating. [[Special:Contributions/205.56.210.194|205.56.210.194]] 01:39, April 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Meta Knight is not similar to Pit in any way other than the wings. Pit's reflectors don't work on MK because he has no projectiles. Finally, Tier positions are not based on individual matchups, so even if they were equal, MK would still be higher because he counters everyone else. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 01:59, April 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
The reason why Pit isn't high tier is his lack of KO power. Pit only has two attacks that can consistently KO under 150%, his f-smash and his bair. When sweetspotted, his bair is one of the strongest aerials in the game but if it is sourspotted, it is exceedingly weak. On top of that, his bair is difficult to sweetspot, especially on short opponents like Meta Knight. His f-smash may be the fastest f-smash in the game but it is a two-hit smash and if the first hit lands while the second doesn't, it still gets weakened by stale-move negation. Meta Knight on the other hand, has his awesome d-smash (could be the best d-smash in the game), f-smash, nair, glide attack, the deadly Shuttle Loop semi-spike, and the WoP dair semi-spike. As you can see, Meta Knight is better at recovering, is much harder to edgeguard, is a much better edgeguarder, can rack up damage even more efficiently, and Meta Knight has a much easier time KOing opponents then Pit. That is why Meta Knight is S tier while Pit is C tier. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] ([[User talk:Omega Tyrant|talk]]) 02:19, April 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/205.56.210.194|205.56.210.194]] 22:19, April 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::You're welcome. Just be sure to check a character's arsenal more throughly before making such claims in the future.[[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] ([[User talk:Omega Tyrant|talk]]) 06:08, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I would say pit is a terrible matchup for meta knight,anything involving an air battle will always go in meta knights favor,meta knight dominates the skys in brawl,hes probably the only character who has any real air game at all in brawl second to none,to beat meta knight you have to play mind games and patiently(unless its meta knight vs meta knight)otherwise you dont stand a chance and most importantly keep your feet on the ground. | |||
rule # 1 to beating meta knight:never,EVER,run after him,let him always come to you,if youre not gonna play defensively then dont even bother against meta knight,in a game of speed and combos meta knight is always # 1 | |||
rule # 2:if he refuses to come to you,aproach slowly,never dash at him,its harder to dodge/guard/react when youre at full dash and its best not to risk triping | |||
rule # 3:smash attack at your own risk,play lightly,dont smash,rack up that damage with light hits till they send him flying,meta knight is a lightweight,get the damage up and light attacks will eventualy start sending him ever closer to his maker,the heavier his oponent the greater the knockback,the further meta knight gets launched the less chance he will have of making an aerial counter attack | |||
rule # 4:like i said keep your feet on the ground,never engage meta knight in an air battle,if he sends you into the sky you run for the hills and hurry back to the ground(ganondorf,C.falcon,bowser,kirby and yoshis aerial down special help in this task,and are potentially fatal if meta knight is caught off guard,zs samus,sonic,sheik,toon link,and mr game and watch's regular down aerial also help,but could lead to your suiscide if theres an attack clash between you and meta knight,lucas' aerial attacks are also effective and his pk thunder help go after meta knight after he starts getting launched without having to put lucas at risk however should lucas get launched off stage and need to recover hes a sitting duck for meta knights air game)keep jumping to a minimum,dont jump if you dont have to it only gives meta knight an opening to combo you especially with heavier characters,so dont play against meta knight in a stage that requires a lot of jumping | |||
thats all the advice i can offer,meta knight is top tier,but only if youre fighting a game of speed and combos,in a game like smash brothers,the fastest and best combos arent the only way to play,smash brothers is the ultimate mind game fighting game,ive noticed that a lot of the characters have "predictable recovery" as one of their bad aspects,all recoveries are predictable in smash brothers because when a character is trying to recover all they are trying to do is get back on stage,and theres only one route to take when trying to stay alive and reach the edge,all options are relatively obvious in that situation,but outside of that there is no predictable character,a character is only as predictable as you let them be in a game where you have about five different options when engaging and pursuing an oponent <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:76.109.188.119|76.109.188.119]] ([[User talk:76.109.188.119|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/76.109.188.119|contribs]]) 04:17, June 12, 2010 (UTC)</small> | |||
:First, sign your comments with 4~s. Secondly, use proper grammar and spelling so people can understand you. Now your post is rather pointless as you're replying to a comment that is almost two months old. I already told this IP how MK is better than Pit and your post was rather unnecessary. In the future, you shouldn't reply to posts on talk pages that are over a month old and/or are over issues that have already been resolved. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 04:27, June 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
sorry mah boy grammar just isnt my thing,i cant be bothered,i think its easy to understand what im saying,sure its not perfect grammar but its good enough,unless you just cant understand english,a lack of periods,minor misspelling here and there shouldnt be that big of a deal,second,although pit isnt the best oponent for meta knight hes not terrible either,his arrows give him a slight edge over meta knight but yeah pit isnt exactly best pick for meta knight,third,my post was meant to help people interested in meta knights weakness,so i simply gave my imput into the proper ways to engage meta knight,meta knight is top tier because all the tournament players seem to rely on the same strategy gameplay wise,charge,attack,guard,chain grap,combo,repeat,but thats not all there is to smash brothers,if you dont get creative and unpredictable with your moves then of course meta knight is top tier based solely on that playing style,because those kinds of players like to run after their oponent and combo as quickly as possible,or guard and grap guard and grap,although skilled,its actually quite predictable,you know whats coming and know how to counter it | |||
err i meant grab not grap hehehe sorry about that....[[Special:Contributions/76.109.188.119|76.109.188.119]] 04:59, June 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Don't refer to me as "mah boy". This isn't the place for matchup discussion and your grammar is most certainly not easy to understand, no one will bother to read such a large post with such poor grammar. Now this discussion about Pit vs. Meta Knight has already been resolved, therefore any more input into it is meaningless. Also, character's talk pages are not the place to discuss their tier placement, discuss such things in forums. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 05:06, June 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
sheesh you sound so angry,well whatever i said what needed to be said,and whats wrong with posting the information i put here,this is all meta knight related stuff,and this is where people are gonna look for meta knight info no?seems perfectly fine and related to the topic to me <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:76.109.188.119|76.109.188.119]] ([[User talk:76.109.188.119|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/76.109.188.119|contribs]]) 05:16, June 12, 2010 (UTC)</small> | |||
:No, what you posted on this talk page was unnecessary. Talk pages are supposed to be use to discuss matters pertaining to the article itself, not a character's matchup against another character or their tier position. Yes, there are many people who ignore this but that doesn't mean it is right. Again, if you plan to become an active contributor here, it is unnecessary to reply to month old comments and on already resolved subjects. I am not angry, but I do not like it when I see people making unnecessary posts on this wiki's talk pages. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 05:28, June 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
...i see...well i have no intention of becoming an active contributor so no worries,it wont happen again,if it bothers you so much,just delete it all. | |||
== Falco matchup discrepency == | |||
There is false information (that has actually been here for quite some time). Falco's page claims he is the only character to have 50/50 match-up with Metaknight, while this page claims that Metaknight has a 55/45 advantage over him. One is incorrect and it should be fixed. [[User:Adroa|Adroa]] ([[User talk:Adroa|talk]]) 05:34, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:The matchups are decided by each individual character's board on SWF. As such, we have inconsistencies like this where two characters' matchups don't add up to 100:100. I know it is retarded and both character boards should decide two characters' matchup against each other together instead of deciding their own character's matchup (who would tend to give their characters better matchups anyway), which often results in two different matchup results for one matchup, such as one side saying their character has a 60:40 matchup and the other side saying their character has a 55:45 matchup. But this is the only system in place deciding matchups and that is what we have to make do with. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 06:04, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | |||
The only person to have a 50/50 chance against Meta Knight is Meta Knight. The only person to have a 50/50 chance against Falco is Falco. Got it?[[User:Meta Ike|Meta Ike]] ([[User talk:Meta Ike|talk]]) 17:21, 17 February 2012 (EST) | |||
==Just thought I'd stop by here== | |||
Post a sentence and walk out it seems to be the trend around here. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:68.231.105.46|68.231.105.46]] ([[User talk:68.231.105.46|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.231.105.46|contribs]]) 16:53, 11 July 2010 (UTC)</small> <span style="color:red">'''--User was temp banned for this post'''</span> | |||
:Um, when did we start banning people for saying stuff like this? :/ This is a short, harmless comment from an IP who did nothing else. Explain, pl0x. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 09:53, July 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::The comment may be harmless, but it was completely pointless and such comments are unacceptable. There has been far too much misuse of the Wiki's talk pages and I find banning someone whose only edit was this useless comment to be necessary. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 10:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::You can't agree that it was harmless then say it was unacceptable... Edits which are deliberately harmful to the wiki are unacceptable and merit a block. All other edits are acceptable. Given the nature of the edit, I would be extremely surprised if they had then edited the wiki again, making your actions completely pointless, so, according to your logic, I could block you. The IP may have been doing SmashWiki a disservice, but that's because they have a bad impression of the wiki, and by temp. banning them for voicing their opinion, you make their impression of the wiki even worse. It's stuff like this that gives SmashWiki a bad name among the ''Smash'' community. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 10:58, July 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::You may consider me blocking the IP a pointless measure as it is likely that this IP would have not edited again. But the block was a preemptive measure to keep the IP from making further useless posts they may have been planning and should have this IP been planning to become an active editor, the block would let them know that such posts are not acceptable. As for blocking the IP, I did not block them for "voicing their opinion" as they did not post an opinion, I blocked them for making a completely useless post on our commonly misused talk pages. The IP was doing the Smash Wiki a disservice and saying that they shouldn't have been blocked because "they have a bad impression of the Wiki" is not a valid reason to not block them. To come to think of it, this post was not harmless as other users can see it as it being alright to post whatever they want on the Wiki's talk pages. By blocking this IP, it also gives a message to other users that this Wiki will not tolerate such pointless posts on our talk pages. I'm not going to be lenient just so this Wiki won't have a "bad name" among individuals who would never contribute constructively. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 11:29, July 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::Go easy on the banning OT, people deserve a yellow card before they get a red one. [[User:Mako Shark|Mako Shark]] ([[User talk:Mako Shark|talk]]) 12:27, July 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::I entirely disagree. I take a strict stance on vandalism and I'm tired of seeing such pointless posts on our talk pages. An IP or user whose only edit is a completely pointless post such as the one above deserves to be banned. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 12:51, July 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I would have given him 3 days. This post was quite clearly a troll. There is no basis for assuming good faith about this edit. The user clearly knows enough about the wiki to mock the people that come to it, so I'm sure s/he also knows that what they are doing is not acceptable. If s/he doesn't, but has been lurking long enough, than is this the kind of person that we want editing this wiki. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 14:55, July 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Strongly disagree. Their perception will be that they've been banned for voicing their opinion, which they will believe to be typical of the administration on this wiki, and they will tell their friends, and their friends will avoid SmashWiki, and that will spread. Trust me. I know a lot of people who play ''Smash'', and they all avoid this wiki because they don't like the way it's run. Way to alienate the community we're supposed to be helping. But w/e. I'm inactive now. Not my problem. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 08:08, July 13, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::May I ask how posting "Post a sentence and walk out it seems to be the trend around here" is a valid opinion instead of a pointless post that goes against proper procedure of a talk page? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 08:11, July 13, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::I would like to point out that at no point did I defend their actions, nor did I comment on the validity of such an opinion. All I said was that I didn't think they had been treated fairly. It may be "a pointless post that goes against proper procedure of a talk page", but was it right that they be blocked for a day for saying that? The comment was in no way offensive, disruptive, part of a large-scale malicious attack, or in any other way deserving of a block. Rather, it was isolated and insignificant, and probably escaped the attention of everyone but you until you decided to act upon it. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 10:54, July 13, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::The comment was in fact disruptive, as it was a clear violation of the proper use of a talk page. Any unnecessary and completely pointless comment that is clearly a misuse of a talk page is certainly deserving of a block. I saw the comment upon minutes of it being posted and immediately blocked the IP, preventing them from making a further mockery of this Wiki's policies and thus keeping it an isolated incident. Have I not blocked this IP, CHawk already said he would have and I highly doubt I'm the only one who's attention was caught by this post. You also said that I blocked the IP for "voicing their opinion", which I did not as they not post an opinion, they posted a comment that deliberately mocks the use of talk pages. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 11:14, July 13, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::He wasn't "voicing his opinion," he was openly mocking this site. Considering that he knew enough about how most IPs act to make fun of it, I expect that he also knows the policies. Again, there is no way in which we can assume good faith here. And as to when we started handing out bans for this, we started when I realized that things were getting to lax around here. People could goof off and wave AGF of YAV and get out of shit. They can't. Edits like this are actually more damaging to the wiki than vandalism. If we don't respond to things like this, then it gives off the impression that no one is administrating and people can do whatever they want. They can't. We have clear guidlines and policies and this guy broke them. Hence, he gets a day vacation. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 14:20, July 13, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==A tad bit confused...== | |||
I understand the existence of tiers and find that the use of them, in my opinion, is entirely situational. That said, I have no qualm with Meta Knight being at the top of everyone, but according to his article, he has undocumented matchups against not only Pit--the one character whom everyone seems to be fond of fighting MK with--but with every single character in the G tier and half the characters in the F tier. I'm not by any means an expert on tiers, but to be considered the best, doesn't a character have to be proven to be better than everyone? Perhaps someone could shed some light on the subject. [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 23:18, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:As the metagame advances and new techniques and strategies appear, matchups become obsolete. The current matchup chart ignores any matchups that have not been updated/rediscussed/reconfirmed for a year by the people on SmashBoards. Also remember that even though Meta Knight may not have all his matchups documented, most other characters have their matchup with Meta Knight documented, and while they may differ slightly, they're still pretty similar. In addition, while tiers and matchups usually agree with each other, they have no technical relation: tiers are based on tournament placings, while matchups are based on individial attributes and matchup-specific techniques. Finally, even if a character has a few bad (or unknown) matchups, they can still be top tier since the rest of their matchups are positive. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 00:12, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::So if the matchups are, in fact, documented on other characters' articles, why aren't they listed here? Or is it something similar to the Falco/MK debate where no one can agree who's better? [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 01:32, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Each character's side has different views on the matchups. It's not always the other number.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 01:36, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::Okay, so how are matchup ratios decided? Or is there an article that details that? [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 01:42, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::The matchups reported here come from SmashBoards. Each character subforum has their own way of doing things, but the basic system seems to be discussing one matchup at a time until a consensus is established, which is then put into the main topic for that subforum. We have nothing to do with the matchups except for reporting them. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 02:42, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||