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Another notable weaknesses is Greninja's multihit moves, especially back air and up air, being notoriously inconsistent, allowing opponents to escape out of these moves. As both aerials are some of Greninja's best combo tools, the inconsistency greatly affects its combo game. | Another notable weaknesses is Greninja's multihit moves, especially back air and up air, being notoriously inconsistent, allowing opponents to escape out of these moves. As both aerials are some of Greninja's best combo tools, the inconsistency greatly affects its combo game. | ||
Greninja's biggest weakness, however, is its terrible out of shield game, which is arguably the worst of the entire cast. Because of its high short hop | Greninja's biggest weakness, however, is its terrible out of shield game, which is arguably the worst of the entire cast. Because of its high short hop, its aerials slow startup, and lacking a fast grab (although it has good range), Greninja lacks an effective out of shield option faster than frame 14. While its back aerial is fairly quick at frame 5 (making it frame 8 out of shield), it is unable to hit opponents in front of Greninja and is very inconsistent at hitting opponents behind Greninja due to its high short hop. Jumping or rolling out of shield are potential options to reset neutral, but they are very predictable and easily read. Thus, when Greninja is pinned down in shield, it has difficulty escaping the situation without being heavily punished. Combined with its vulnerability to combos, this gives it an atrocious defensive game. | ||
Altogether, Greninja's playstyle requires players to think like an actual ninja: utilizing Greninja's superb mobility and fast attacks to rush down opponents, saving the slower attacks for potential mixups, mindgames and surprise KO options, and remaining unpredictable to prevent being trapped into disadvantageous positions. | Altogether, Greninja's playstyle requires players to think like an actual ninja: utilizing Greninja's superb mobility and fast attacks to rush down opponents, saving the slower attacks for potential mixups, mindgames and surprise KO options, and remaining unpredictable to prevent being trapped into disadvantageous positions. | ||
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==In [[competitive play]]== | ==In [[competitive play]]== | ||
===Most historically significant players=== | ===Most historically significant players=== | ||
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''See also: [[:Category:Greninja players (SSBU)]]'' | ''See also: [[:Category:Greninja players (SSBU)]]'' | ||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|iStudying|Netherlands}} - One of the best Greninja players in Europe in the early metagame, with his best results being placing 7th at {{Trn|Tech Republic IV}} defeating {{Sm|quiK}}, placing 9th at {{Trn|Ultimate Fighting Arena 2019}}, and defeating {{Sm|Stroder}} at {{Trn|EVO 2019}}. He remained the second-best European Greninja player in the post-online metagame, most notably placing 9th at {{Trn|Temple: Hermès Edition}} defeating {{Sm|Tilde}}, but became inactive by the end of 2022. | ||
*{{Sm|JW|Canada}} - The second-best Greninja player in North America in the early metagame and the best player from Canada for the first half of 2019. He is best known for defeating {{Sm|MkLeo}} at {{Trn|Pound 2019}}, ultimately placing 9th, and he has also placed 13th at {{Trn|Shine 2019}} defeating {{Sm|Goblin}} and 17th at {{Trn|The Big House 9}} defeating {{Sm|Kola}} and {{Sm|ESAM}}. Although less active in the post-online metagame, he remained Canada's best Greninja player, notably placing 4th at {{Trn|Pinnacle 2021}} defeating {{Sm|Ouch!?}}, before becoming inactive in 2023. | |||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|Lea|Japan}} - The best Greninja player of all-time who spearheaded Greninja's early metagame, ranking 21st on the [[Fall 2019 PGRU]] and placing 5th at several {{Trn|Umebura|series}} majors as well as 7th at {{Trn|2GG: Kongo Saga}} defeating {{Sm|Shuton}} and {{Sm|Dabuz}}. He remained the best Greninja player in the world until his hiatus in mid-2022, notably placing 7th at {{Trn|Kagaribi 7}} during this time, and has sporadically competed since with mixed results. | ||
*{{Sm|Lea|Japan}} - | *{{Sm|Somé|Japan}} - The second-best Greninja player in Japan's early metagame, winning {{Trn|Karisuma SP 4}} and {{Trn|TSC 11}}, and also placing 7th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 4}} defeating {{Sm|Etsuji}}, 9th at {{Trn|Umebura SP 6}} defeating {{Sm|HIKARU}}, and 13th at {{Trn|Umebura SP 4}}. He took a hiatus from offline competitive play due to the pandemic and did not return until 2023. | ||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|Stroder Ame|USA}} - Plays a variety of characters and primarily played Greninja in the early metagame. He was the second-best Greninja player in the world during this time, ranking 29th on the [[Spring 2019 PGRU]]. He is best known for winning {{Trn|Crown}} over {{Sm|Kurama}} and has also placed 5th at {{Trn|Ultimate Nimbus}} defeating {{Sm|Tweek}}, 5th at {{Trn|Glitch 8 - Missingno}} defeating {{Sm|Cosmos}} and {{Sm|Maister}}, and 13th at {{Trn|2GG: Prime Saga}} defeating {{Sm|ESAM}}. He has since switched to other characters but continues to use Greninja as an occasional secondary. | ||
*{{Sm|Tarik|Germany}} - The second-best Greninja player of all-time and the best Greninja player after Lea's hiatus, ranking 55th on the [[LumiRank 2023]]. He is one of the best players in Europe in the post-online metagame, having placed 7th at several European majors such as {{Trn|Ultimate Fighting Arena 2023}} and {{Trn|King Con}} and having multiple wins over {{Sm|Bloom4Eva}} at ranked events. Internationally, he is known for placing 5th at {{Trn|Rise 'N Grind 2023}} defeating {{Sm|SHADIC}} and defeating {{Sm|Shuton}} at {{Trn|Port Priority 8}}, {{Sm|Onin}} at {{Trn|GENESIS X}}, and {{Sm|ShinyMark}} at {{Trn|Battle of BC 5}}. | |||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|Tsuna|Japan}} - A known Greninja player in Japan since the early metagame, having placing 2nd at {{Trn|Karisuma SP 6}}, 5th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 10}}, and 9th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 11}} during this time. He has since become the best Greninja player in Japan following Lea's hiatus, frequently placing at or near the top 8 at {{Trn|Sumabato}} events, including 5th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 46}} over {{Sm|Asimo}} and {{Sm|Jogibu}}. | ||
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===Tier placement and history=== | |||
In the early metagame, players quickly noticed that Greninja had been buffed from ''Smash 4'', with improved versatility and speed, and despite losing its [[footstool]] combos, it gained a stronger combo game thanks to improved frame data on moves such as its dash attack, up throw, down throw, and neutral air. Greninja's high learning curve did not deter players such as {{Sm|Stroder}}, {{Sm|Jw}}, and {{Sm|Lea}} from seeing success with the character, and Greninja became a popular pick in competitive play, culminating in the character peaking at 10th in terms of representation between July and December 2019. Due to Greninja's buffs and its strong representation, it was considered an upper-high tier character in the early metagame. | |||
This perception shifted following the end of the online metagame, especially as Greninja players began pointing out frustrating traits in the character's movesets, most notably inconsistencies in Greninja's multihit moves. Furthermore, Greninja's best players from before the pandemic either became less active, changed mains, or had worse performance: for example, Lea would go on hiatus in 2022, with mixed results in the events he has attended since, while Stroder would begin playing other characters over Greninja. Although Greninja still saw strong results from players such as {{Sm|Tarik}}, Greninja's overall representation would drop, bottoming out at 45th between January and June 2022. Greninja's lower representation and more apparent flaws led to a colder reception than in the early metagame, and as such, Greninja was ranked 33rd on the first tier list, towards the lower end of high tier. | |||
Following the release of the first list, Greninja's results would noticeably improve, thanks to Tarik's results remaining strong and the rise of many other Greninja players, including {{Sm|Tsuna}} and {{Sm|Anarchy}}, in their respective scenes. Continued efforts from dedicated mains prevented Greninja from dropping further, and he only slid down a spot to 34th on the second list, ranking towards the middle of B+ tier, with this drop mainly being the result of the meteoric rise of {{SSBU|Bayonetta}} and {{SSBU|Corrin}} from the first tier list. Overall, although less common than the early metagame, Greninja remains a rather viable pick in the post-online metagame. | |||
=={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Your Turn, Greninja!== | =={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Your Turn, Greninja!== | ||