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 ==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''==
-During the initial release of the game, Rosalina & Luma were drastically nerfed overall in the transition from ''SSB4'' to ''Ultimate'' much like {{SSBU|Corrin}} and {{SSBU|Bayonetta}}, but also received significant buffs from game updates. Overall, Rosalina & Luma received a mixture of buffs and nerfs in their transition from ''SSB4'' to ''Ultimate'', being nerfed overall in a similar manner to {{SSBU|Cloud}}, likely as a result of their previous top tier (5th out of 55) placement.
+Rosalina & Luma were considered one of the best characters in ''SSB4'' thanks to their oppressive zoning options, and each character's own strengths; with Rosalina's own long-ranged, disjointed hitboxes, damage output and counter-zoning options; and Luma's own drastic power, and hit-taking potential to protect Rosalina complemented by "regenerative" abilities. Likely as a result, Rosalina & Luma were drastically nerfed during the initial release of ''Ultimate''; however, game updates have remedied many of these nerfs to a degree. Regardless, the duo are still considered to be noticeably nerfed overall in their transition from ''SSB4'' to ''Ultimate''.
-The universal changes allow Rosalina & Luma to juggle and gimp opponents more easily, but also makes it more difficult for them to land and get back to the stage. All of their aerials have reduced landing lag, which allows them to chain moves more easily. Luma's respawn time has been shortened, and instead of always respawning after a fixed period of time in all modes of play, the respawn time now depends on the amount of players present in a match, being significantly shorter if there are at least four players in a match. Star Bits has more range, enhancing its zoning utility. Gravitational Pull now auto-equips items, which makes it easier for Rosalina to retaliate with throwable objects (such as [[Metal Blade]]s, [[Gyro]]s, [[Remote Bomb Rune|Remote Bombs]], and [[Vegetables]]). Rosalina's new neutral aerial has much less ending lag and offers better protection when Luma is gone, while her forward aerial is much faster too, especially in terms of ending lag. Luma also receives a new damage boost when detethered from Rosalina. This incentivizes Rosalina players to send Luma out and take advantage of her zoning potential. Her aerials have altered autocancel windows, allowing neutral and forward aerial to autocancel in a short hop, and the former can even do so in a short hop fast fall, improving her approach when combined with the universal improvement to mobility.
+Both members of the duo have seen numerous buffs. Star Bits has more range, enhancing its zoning utility. Gravitational Pull now auto-equips items, which makes it easier for Rosalina to retaliate with throwable objects (such as [[Metal Blade]]s, [[Gyro]]s, [[Remote Bomb Rune|Remote Bombs]], and [[Vegetables]]). Rosalina's new neutral aerial has much less ending lag and offers better protection when Luma is gone, while her forward aerial is much faster, especially in terms of ending lag. Her aerials have altered autocancel windows, allowing neutral and forward aerial to autocancel in a short hop, and the former can even do so in a short hop fast fall, improving her approach when combined with the universal improvement to mobility.
-On the other hand, Rosalina & Luma also received critical nerfs to their potent movesets. Their neutral aerial has fewer active frames and Luma's increased startup, which makes it a less useful option for approaching which greatly hinders their ability to "wall out" certain characters. Rosalina's notorious up aerial had its endlag increased, meaning that it can no longer chain into itself as easily. Gravitational Pull is slower and has lower range, making it unsafe against characters with fast projectiles. Luma also does not move forward as much when using its neutral attack, which severely impedes Rosalina's ability to stop approaches, ledge trap, and zone her opponents. Finally, the biggest nerf involves Luma, who now is frailer than ever, as it has not only has less HP, but also takes more knockback from attacks, making it much easier to KO; in addition, Luma does not benefit from its additional damage multiplier if tethered to Rosalina, making it less effective when paired with her.
+Luma's respawn time has been shortened, and instead of always respawning after a fixed period of time in all modes of play, the respawn time now depends on the amount of players present in a match, being significantly shorter if there are at least four players in a match. Luma also receives a new damage boost when detethered from Rosalina. This incentivizes Rosalina players to send Luma out and take advantage of her zoning potential.
-Due to the significant changes to their moveset, Rosalina & Luma are forced to play much more oppressively compared to in ''SSB4'', which changes their playstyle substantially. Due to said playstyle being considerably less effective, however, they are considered to be noticeably worse than their iteration in ''SSB4.'' This has shown in their very minimal tournament results in ''Ultimate''{{'}}s early metagame with an overall smaller playerbase. Rosalina & Luma's overall perception became extremely negative, with players such as {{Sm|MkLeo}}, {{Sm|Dark Wizzy}}, and {{Sm|ESAM}} describing them as competitively unviable, and {{Sm|Dabuz}}, who was the best Rosalina & Luma player in ''SSB4'', even going as far as to describe them as being some of the worst characters in the entire game. In more recent times, however, Dabuz has started using them more as a co-main to his {{SSBU|Olimar}}, and both {{Sm|Homika}} and {{Sm|Kirihara}} have placed high with the duo at tournaments at their regions. On top of this, they have received significant buffs from balance patches, which have helped to negate some of their previous nerfs. This has led to most professionals who once believed the duo to be a low or even bottom tier characters to re-evaluate their opinions, with most of them now considering Rosalina & Luma to be firmly in the mid-tier. However, some others are convinced that Rosalina & Luma are possibly high tier characters; Dabuz, in particular, is convinced they have reclaimed their status as top tier characters. Although Rosalina & Luma are still agreed to be worse than in ''SSB4'', their true viability remains questionable.
+Some of the changes to the engine benefit the duo. The introduction of [[attack canceling]] benefits Rosalina & Luma the most out of any returning veteran, as the duo can perform desynched attacks together (such as Luma using a grounded attack while Rosalina performs an aerial), giving the two unique attack options they didn't have before, and which are not shared with the rest of the cast. Aside from this, the universal reductions to [[landing lag]] allows them to chain their moves with more ease, and the changes to air dodges allow the duo to juggle and gimp opponents more easily, while Rosalina can now use a directional air dodge to recover more easily thanks to her floatiness.
+On the other hand, Rosalina & Luma also received some severe nerfs to their potent movesets. Rosalina's new neutral aerial has fewer active frames and Luma's own has slower startup, which makes them less useful option for approaching and disrupting opponents, respectively. Rosalina's notorious up aerial had its endlag increased and doesn't last as long, meaning that it can no longer chain into itself as easily, with the increased safety on its late hit failing to compensate. Gravitational Pull is slower and has lower range, making it unsafe against characters with fast projectiles. Luma also does not move forward as much when using its neutral attack, which severely impedes Rosalina's ability to halt approaches, ledge trap, and zone her opponents. Finally, the biggest nerf involves Luma, who now is frailer than ever, as it has not only has less HP, but also takes more knockback from attacks, making it much easier to KO.
+Aside from this, some of the gameplay changes have hurt Rosalina & Luma. The changes to air dodges give them some of the slowest among the cast, which combined with the inability to use more than one per air time makes it more difficult for them to land and hampers their chances to get back to the stage. The reductions to landing lag, while giving the duo a more potent combo game, has also strengthened other characters' own combo and spacing games, hurting Rosalina's disadvantage state due to her lack of options to break pressure at close range. Lastly, the universal increase to mobility is especially harmful to the duo, as while they benefit from it as much as the returning cast, it makes it more difficult for Luma to effectively disrupt approaches when combined with its shorter range, which can leave Rosalina more vulnerable.
+Due to the significant changes to their moveset, Rosalina & Luma are forced to play more aggressively compared to in ''SSB4'', which changes their playstyle substantially. Said playstyle is generally considered to be less effective than that of their previous iteration, as the duo is no longer able to wall out faster opponents as easily as before, and Rosalina's disadvantage state is harder to endure. Luma receiving more knockback and having lower HP makes it easier to contest and thus leaves Rosalina more vulnerable; however, since Luma does not benefit from its additional damage multiplier when tethered to Rosalina, the duo is thus incentivized to be paired with each other less and use their unique strengths more frequently which can generate a variety of mix-ups and mindgames. The two have received significant buffs from balance patches, which have helped to negate some of their previous nerfs, but these don't entirely compensate for their further defined weaknesses. As a result, Rosalina & Luma are considered to be worse in ''Ultimate'', being one of the most nerfed characters in the transition from ''SSB4.''
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 ''See also: [[:Category:Rosalina & Luma players (SSBU)]]''
-*{{Sm|Dabuz|United States}} - The best Rosalina & Luma player of all-time, playing the character alongside {{SSBU|Olimar}}, and a top 10 player from 2019 to 2021. He won the superregional {{Trn|CEO 2023}} and has placed 2nd at multiple majors and supermajors with the character, including {{Trn|Albion 4}}, {{Trn|Low Tide City 2021}}, and {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2023}}.
+*{{Sm|Dabuz|United States}} - The best Rosalina & Luma player of all-time, playing the character alongside {{SSBU|Olimar}}, and a top 10 player from 2019 to mid-2022. He won the superregional {{Trn|CEO 2023}} and has placed 2nd at multiple majors and supermajors with the character, including {{Trn|Albion 4}}, {{Trn|Low Tide City 2021}}, and {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2023}}.
 *{{Sm|Homika|France}} - The best Rosalina & Luma player in Europe and a top 10 player in Europe in 2019. He has placed highly at several European majors, including 5th at the major {{Trn|Ultimate Fighting Arena 2019}} and 9th at the majors {{Trn|Syndicate 2019}} and {{Trn|Ultimate Fighting Arena 2022}}. He was also ranked as high as 65th on the [[OrionRank Ultimate: Eclipse]].
 *{{Sm|Kirihara|Japan}} - The best Rosalina & Luma player in Japan in the early metagame and the second Rosalima & Luma player ever ranked in the top 50, ranking 48th on the [[Fall 2019 PGRU]]. His best results with the character include winning the superregional {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 1}} and placing 4th at the major {{Trn|Umebura SP 5}}. He has since switched to {{SSBU|Sheik}}.
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 Upon ''Ultimate''{{'}}s release, players immediately noticed the nerfs to Luma's attacks and endurance that severely hampered Rosalina's ability to stop approaches, edge trap, and zone her opponents as effectively as in ''Super Smash Bros. 4''. Additionally, swordfighters were prevalent in the early metagame, which made Luma very vulnerable to being outranged. Despite {{SSBU|Meta Knight}} and {{SSBU|Cloud}} (their worst matchups in ''SSB4'') being nerfed noticeably in ''Ultimate'', some professionals claimed that Rosalina & Luma's nerfs were too harsh for them to even be mid tier fighters. As a result, they had little representation in the early metagame; this was further compounded by their best player, {{Sm|Dabuz}}, dropping them in favor of {{SSBU|Olimar}} as his sole main character.
-However, Rosalina & Luma would receive significant buffs via updates 2.0.0 and 3.1.0 that negated some of their severe nerfs, especially to their range, power and frame data. As a result, Dabuz once again picked up Rosalina & Luma—albeit as a co-main alongside Olimar—while other players, such as {{Sm|Kirihara}} and {{Sm|Homika}}, started to achieve better results. Although Rosalina & Luma are still agreed to be among the most nerfed [[veteran]]s, their perception has significantly improved since ''Ultimate''{{'}}s initial release; most professionals now consider them to be upper mid tier or high tier fighters, with {{Sm|Dabuz}} in particular viewing them as top tier fighters. Regardless, they are ranked 48th on the first and current tier list.
+However, Rosalina & Luma would receive significant buffs via updates 2.0.0 and 3.1.0 that negated some of their severe nerfs, especially to their range, power and frame data. As a result, Dabuz once again picked up Rosalina & Luma—albeit as a co-main alongside Olimar—while other players, such as {{Sm|Kirihara}} and {{Sm|Homika}}, started to achieve better results. Although Rosalina & Luma are still agreed to be among the most nerfed [[veteran]]s, their perception has significantly improved since ''Ultimate''{{'}}s initial release; most professionals now consider them to be upper mid tier or high tier fighters, with Dabuz in particular viewing them as top tier fighters. Regardless, they are ranked 48th on the first tier list, then rose to 43rd on the second and current tier list.
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 *Rosalina is one of only five characters to predominantly use her left hand to wield her weapon, sharing this trait with {{SSBU|Young Link}}, {{SSBU|Toon Link}}, {{SSBU|Ice Climbers}}, and {{SSBU|Sephiroth}}.
 *For unknown reasons, despite Luma's voice actor, Yuya Takezawa, being Japanese, his name is romanized in English in the Japanese version of Rosalina's Sound Test. This oddity was not present in ''Smash 4''.
-*By complete coincidence, Rosalina & Luma have their placement on the first official [[tier list]] as the exact same number as their [[Fighter number]]; with their placement on the tier list being 48th out of 82 and their Fighter number being Fighter #48. They are the only fighters to have this occur.
+*By complete coincidence, Rosalina & Luma have their placement on the first official [[tier list]] as the exact same number as their [[Fighter number]]; with their placement on the tier list being 48th out of 82 and their Fighter number being Fighter #48. They were the only fighters that had this distinction. However, Rosalina & Luma’s placement on the current tier list, being 43rd, no longer matches their fighter number.
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