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+I feel a condensed article for metal and gold versions of characters would work the best. We could even add Tanooki ones too and things like that. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RobbyB3ll4s|contribs]]) 17:42, 2020 February 10</small>
 ==So...==
 A thought dawned on me. Due to the differences between versions, should we include the 3DS version's Metal Box characters as well, or would that be overkill? [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 23:05, 11 January 2016 (EST)
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 == Deletion ==
-After having tagged [[Gold Fighter/Character gallery]] for deletion on the grounds that it was unnecessary, I had it pointed out to me that we also have this gallery of all the fighters in their metal form. As with the gold fighters gallery, I have tagged this page for deletion, and since this was the article created first I think this is where I should make the case for its deletion. Simply put, there is nothing of value, either informatively or of interest, about having a gallery with an image of every single fighter in their metal form. As is stated in [[SW:NOT]] "SmashWiki uploads a few sets of assets for use on our wiki (such as head icons, alt pallets, victory themes, etc), as well as oddities or interesting sprites and sound clips (such as unused content), but it is not to contain every asset in the game". Palette swaps are an example of a good exception to this policy, as they are unique to every fighter, they often contain references or easter eggs, and they are commonly used in competitive play, even being a part of many smashers' identities. As such, having a collection of all of them is both informative and interesting. Unlike palette swaps however, metal forms are entirely homogenous, in the sense that every character's model is affected in exactly the same way, simply replacing all textures with the metal texture. All that is necessary to provide information about the nature of the effect is perhaps one or two images from each game only, as once you have seen one metal fighter, you have essentially seen them all. There are also no other interesting or unique features of specific metal fighters other than metal Mario appearing in games outside the Smash Bros. series, and there is no tournament legal representation of metal fighters in competitive play, so this case cannot be made for this gallery being kept either. Finally, having a gallery such as this one puts us in a situation in which we are either being inconsistent with our treatment of statuses, or in which we should have to make a gallery for every status condition, including giant, frozen, flowered etc. in the name of consistency.
+After having tagged Gold Fighter/Character gallery for deletion on the grounds that it was unnecessary, I had it pointed out to me that we also have this gallery of all the fighters in their metal form. As with the gold fighters gallery, I have tagged this page for deletion, and since this was the article created first I think this is where I should make the case for its deletion. Simply put, there is nothing of value, either informatively or of interest, about having a gallery with an image of every single fighter in their metal form. As is stated in [[SW:NOT]] "SmashWiki uploads a few sets of assets for use on our wiki (such as head icons, alt pallets, victory themes, etc), as well as oddities or interesting sprites and sound clips (such as unused content), but it is not to contain every asset in the game". Palette swaps are an example of a good exception to this policy, as they are unique to every fighter, they often contain references or easter eggs, and they are commonly used in competitive play, even being a part of many smashers' identities. As such, having a collection of all of them is both informative and interesting. Unlike palette swaps however, metal forms are entirely homogenous, in the sense that every character's model is affected in exactly the same way, simply replacing all textures with the metal texture. All that is necessary to provide information about the nature of the effect is perhaps one or two images from each game only, as once you have seen one metal fighter, you have essentially seen them all. There are also no other interesting or unique features of specific metal fighters other than metal Mario appearing in games outside the Smash Bros. series, and there is no tournament legal representation of metal fighters in competitive play, so this case cannot be made for this gallery being kept either. Finally, having a gallery such as this one puts us in a situation in which we are either being inconsistent with our treatment of statuses, or in which we should have to make a gallery for every status condition, including giant, frozen, flowered etc. in the name of consistency.
 For the reasons outlined above, I believe that this gallery, along with the gold fighters gallery, should be deleted. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 19:57, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
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 :'''Delete this and the Gold gallery (possibly the false one too), then put the images in the galleries of each character's respective fighter pages'''. There is no real reason to compare each character to each other making this article a bit on the pointless side, but I don't see a need to delete all of these images. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 12:22, December 3, 2019 (EST)
 ::On second thought, changing to '''neutral leaning towards delete'''. The images shouldn't be deleted though, instead moved to the characters' pages. <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:green;">Supα</span>]][[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:red;">Toαd</span><span style="color:blue;">64</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 18:42, December 4, 2019 (EST)
+:::I'll echo supatoad64 and Serpent King's points that while '''the page should be deleted''', we should move the character's images to their respective pages. While the gallery is generally unnecessary (would work better on the Metal Box and Gold Fighter pages, but even then it's just fluff that floods the page), the images can definitely be repurposed. --[[User:Plague von Karma|Plague von Karma]] ([[User talk:Plague von Karma|talk]]) 01:53, December 10, 2019 (EST)
+::::I agree with SerpentKing, supatoad and Plague here. The images in this gallery can definitely be put to good use elsewhere. Even if SmashWiki isn't a resource repository, there are already plenty of screenshots in many fighter galleries that can be considered relatively "miscellaneous," so why not add pictures of actual in-game assets to them and de-clutter the wiki of useless galleries while we're at it? '''Voting to delete this gallery and move each of its images to their respective fighter's article. (and to possibly do the same for the Gold + False fighter galleries as well)''' [[User:Acgamer28|Acgamer28]] ([[User talk:Acgamer28|talk]]) 14:52, January 20, 2020 (EST)
+I don't see what place the images would have on the fighter pages rather than the page relating to the actual powerup. '''It's all or nothing''' for me. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Rurouni'''</span>]] 18:53, December 4, 2019 (EST)
+'''Support''' - We don't need a full-blown gallery for what is simply a texture effect. - [[User:Searingjet|Searingjet]] ([[User talk:Searingjet|talk]]) 19:37, December 14, 2019 (EST)
+'''Delete''' Yeah I retract what I said above, there's not really a point in keeping these around. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 13:26, February 20, 2020 (EST)
+I '''oppose''' deleting this page, but if consensus agrees to delete it, I support putting the Metal, Gold, and False character pictures on each character's page. - [[User:Mega Mario Man|Mega Mario Man]] ([[User talk:Mega Mario Man|talk]]) 03:55, February 25, 2020 (EST)
+Alright, this discussion's lasted for almost a year now, so I intend to resolve this soon. If anyone has any last input, I advise providing it today. Right now the fate of both the Metal Box and Gold Fighter galleries aren't looking good, but I'm willing to hear out any arguments against axing them before I resolve this. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 12:31, March 29, 2020 (EDT)