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:::Yeah, I was just simply asking for the survey thing. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Link OoT Dots.PNG|16px]] The Ocarina of Time 15:15, 25 June 2014 (EDT) | :::Yeah, I was just simply asking for the survey thing. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Link OoT Dots.PNG|16px]] The Ocarina of Time 15:15, 25 June 2014 (EDT) | ||
:::If you were around to see Miles make SmashWiki a complete joke on AllisBrawl with his horrible moderating capabilities while parading our name around without us being being ok with it, then you are fully qualified to take the survey (on that note for people taking the survey, remember Miles' moderating on AiB, he's the #1 reason why SmashWiki is viewed so terribly by the AiB and competitive Brawl communities). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:24, 25 June 2014 (EDT) | :::If you were around to see Miles make SmashWiki a complete joke on AllisBrawl with his horrible moderating capabilities while parading our name around without us being being ok with it, then you are fully qualified to take the survey (on that note for people taking the survey, remember Miles' moderating on AiB, he's the #1 reason why SmashWiki is viewed so terribly by the AiB and competitive Brawl communities). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:24, 25 June 2014 (EDT) | ||
Alright, Clarinet Hawk hasn't satisfactorily responded to my request for opinion, so I guess I have to finish this myself. To do so I'll be creating a '''new subpage''', watch for it in the near future (a day or two). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Obfuscating 10:55, 25 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
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::1. Why is the compromise solution of having L cancels automatic considered by Sakurai and Brawl/Smash 4 supporters inferior to Brawl's method? | ::1. Why is the compromise solution of having L cancels automatic considered by Sakurai and Brawl/Smash 4 supporters inferior to Brawl's method? | ||
::2. I don't believe removing L Cancels adds meaningful skill in the context of a fighting game. Your example is a choice of resource management: a perfectly good skill to test in completing an RPG. However in a fighting game, aside from execution, the main test of skill is how players fight in neutral (playing RPS using their options). (I understand you may not see smash games as fighting games, but at high level, this type of strategy is very much apparent). A skilled player wins neutral by putting himself in situations where his options have a better risk/reward ration than his opponent's option. In your example, if you have to make a choice of using a laggy aerial or a sourspot spot, clearly the risk/reward ratios don't favor your options and you should't have put yourself in situation in the first place. --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 22:07, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | ::2. I don't believe removing L Cancels adds meaningful skill in the context of a fighting game. Your example is a choice of resource management: a perfectly good skill to test in completing an RPG. However in a fighting game, aside from execution, the main test of skill is how players fight in neutral (playing RPS using their options). (I understand you may not see smash games as fighting games, but at high level, this type of strategy is very much apparent). A skilled player wins neutral by putting himself in situations where his options have a better risk/reward ration than his opponent's option. In your example, if you have to make a choice of using a laggy aerial or a sourspot spot, clearly the risk/reward ratios don't favor your options and you should't have put yourself in situation in the first place. --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 22:07, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | ||
:::If L-cancels are automatic, what's the point of having them? It's not even a technique at that point, it's just identical to reducing landing lag across the board, and that's apparently not an option. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Interspacial 22:43, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::Why isn't it an option? It encourages standing still instead of getting dirty. Even casuals love throwing themselves in a fight. Sakurai isn't logical apparently.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 23:12, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::The purpose of landing lag is to help balance how you can basically interrupt an aerial at any time by landing. To be honest, it begs the question of why L-cancelling existed in the first place. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Awesome 23:27, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::::You do realize L Canceled aerials are still unsafe if they don't hit anything. They are generally only safe on shield and even then most of them have to be spaced and timed properly. L cancels exist to help you approach with aerials and to not make blocking that powerful of an option. In the RPS of fighting games. Blocking is supposed to be the safest option, but it should be very unrewarding and used as a last resort if you cannot outright dodge the attack.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 23:42, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== I was just wondering... == | |||
Hi Toomai! This question isn't about editing, etc. I just wanted to know, what 1st party characters would you want to see playable in SSB4? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Bug Man Stan|Bug Man Stan]] ([[User talk:Bug Man Stan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bug Man Stan|contribs]]) 15:59, July 5, 2014 (CDT)</small> | |||
:This is not appropriate talk page usage. Please read [[SW:TALK]] before you make another post. Also, remember to [[SW:SIGN|sign your comments]] with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). '''[[User:MeatBall104|MeatBall104;]]''' [[User Talk:MeatBall104|With a rubber soul!]] 22:48, 5 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::People can ask questions like this on user talk pages, but definitely not on article talk pages. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 10:00, 6 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:This would be more appropriate on the forums. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is made in America 11:18, 6 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::{{cquote|Beyond conversations about edits to the wiki, minor outside conversations are perfectly acceptable. However, do not extend these into being chat rooms, message boards, and/or e-mail accounts.|cite=SW:UTPG}} | |||
::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>, 12:11, 6 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Back == | |||
I'm back from my traveling and can be more active again. Do you still want me to weigh in on the above shitshow, and/or are there other things that I need to be aware of from the past month. I can be on IRC tomorrow if that's better, as well. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 22:49, 6 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Yeah I'd appreciate discussing the mess on IRC tomorrow. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bess 23:37, 6 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Okay I'm ready. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bomb 13:09, 7 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Got held up in traffic coming home. Can we do later tonight or tomorrow? [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 17:52, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== I think Marth's grab range got nerfed again. == | |||
[http://gfycat.com/FlickeringSelfishGrackle See this.] | |||
[http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2a2ig4/japan_expo_marth_vs_zss_battlefield_no_items/ Source] | |||
What do you think?--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 20:08, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Items again == | |||
Remember when I talked to you about making boxes for the items (which also encompasses Pokémon and Assist Trophies)? Well I have finished them for the original, Melee and Brawl! (I didn't make boxes for Wii U and 3DS because there weren't the images I needed) I actually added them into the pages, with very good looking boxes, the problem here are the beliefs that surround the wiki. Miles just removed them excusing himself that items are optional, by far the most silly reasons I've heard for not including the items on the main pages. I mean there is no excuse to not talk about smash Bros. and not mentioning the items. I wanted to end that huge fencing that makes everybody ignore the items. That the items can be turned off with the item switch doesn't mean we can't count on them, Smash Bros, outside the competitive scene, is well known for three things: 1. The characters whom you can use and play with to kick other characters, 2. the complex stages each with unique features to hinder the player or set a more fair enviroment, 3. and the wide variety of items which spawn in the stages, for those who want a crazy fest where no one has the advantage. Which fighting game encourages you to use items? only Smash Bros.! Perhaps the only problem was not talking to somebody else other than you about this, but I tried to change something that was out of my hands doing it alone, now that I can't add the boxes back I need to consult with other people, that's why I am now requesting your help. | |||
'''--[[User:Byllant|Byllant]] ([[User talk:Byllant|talk]]) 22:30, 8 July 2014 (EDT)''' | |||
:If the only real issue is "not talking to somebody else other than you about this", why not go to an article's talk page and discuss it there, instead of having one-on-one discussions with users? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Glow 23:50, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Because I wrongly assumed people will let them stay, that all would agreed, that is wasn't really needed to consult with anybody (other than you). Where's the place I should go and take this proposal, I've seen there's no proposal system like the Mario Wiki's one. | |||
::'''--[[User:Byllant|Byllant]] ([[User talk:Byllant|talk]]) 02:54, 11 July 2014 (EDT)''' | |||
:::You can use the main page's talk page or the [[Forum: Proposals|proposal page]]. The latter was definitely not as easy to find as I'd like it to be. You can also just make a new forum if you think that this is a topic that'll receive enough comments to deserve it, but your call. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 02:59, 11 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== IRC? == | |||
Would you mind getting on? I need to ask you something. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 00:09, 17 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Can we get a Subspace Emissary game icon? == | |||
Due to how big SSE is and how there are a lot of separate elements thematically from the rest of Brawl, it may be a good idea for the headers of pages that specifically deal with SSE to get their own icon, rather than the generic Brawl one. I'd do it myself, but since you've been the icon guy and have all the source files, I figured I'd ask you in order to keep things consistent. | |||
What I would do design-wise is take your Brawl icon, turn the swipe purple (like how the X in the Japanese Brawl logo was [http://www.smashbros.com/wii/jp/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803logo.jpg turned purple] for SSE), and replace the B with the green Subspace symbol in the style of the [http://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803logo.jpg English SSE logo]. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 02:56, 25 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:You mean, something to use instead of {{GameIcon|ssbb}} in {{t|ArticleIcons}}? I guess I could, but first I'd rather have the purpose of something like that discussed on the relevant talk page, because I currently can't think of one. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Dispenser 10:03, 25 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Alright then, [[Template_talk:ArticleIcons#Subspace_Emissary_icon|discussion]] is up. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 04:03, 27 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Mii Gunner/Swordfighter icons == | |||
May you create the icons (the ones [to be] used in tier lists) for the versions of the Gunner/Swordfighter as seen in the artwork? {{s|user|Red}} ([[User talk:Red|talk]]) [[File:RedSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/Red|Red]] 20:37, 25 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Adding new fields in Game Systems Infobox Template == | |||
Hello. I was trying to add new fields for "First game released" and "Latest game released" for the [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Template:Infobox_Game_System Game System Infobox Template] - my edit is primarily concerning the [[Game Boy (universe)]] page, where I wanted to include the ''Alleyway'' and ''Wario Land 2'' listings seen in [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Game_Boy_(universe)&oldid=567283 this revision] (when the infobox was based on Series as opposed to Game System). | |||
However, I tried previewing the results, but the fields aren't displaying properly. Is there a way I can rectify this issue? Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 15:38, 8 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I undid your adding of those fields with [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Game_System&curid=229&diff=567306&oldid=567297 this edit]. As explained in the edit summary, it's not a given that a console has a single "first game" as opposed to a group, and "last game" will be changing constantly as new games come out (maybe not for the Game Boy, but for the 3DS and Wii U) and won't always be notable or even relevant to the wiki. If you'd like to debate this, you should probably do so on the template's talk page. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Spectrum 16:00, 8 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Thanks for clarifying. In retrospect, I think the listing of "first/latest game(s)" would probably be better suited to game series rather than game consoles, as "launch games" for systems do tend to arrive in groups, as you mentioned, with series rarely releasing multiple games at once or debut or recency (excluding ''Pokémon'', with most of the paired versions coming later in a system's lifetime, anyway). The varying degrees of relevancy to the wiki are another point; I suppose that any relevant first/recent games can always be mentioned later on in a given videogame console's article. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 16:40, 8 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Rosalina --> Rosalina & Luma == | |||
Can you settle this by moving it? Consensus is toward a move. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 17:17, 8 August 2014 (EDT) | |||