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::I want it fully clear that my issue isn't in what you've done, it's in how you've done it, as I have explained. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 18:49, January 31, 2020 (EST) | ::I want it fully clear that my issue isn't in what you've done, it's in how you've done it, as I have explained. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 18:49, January 31, 2020 (EST) | ||
:::It's clear. But I still think asking for a consensus is not working. How can there be any consensus on a wiki with thousands of contributors (I assume) when no discussion ever involves more than 10 people? I've been here for a year now, and I never saw a consensus once. The only times I've ever been able to do some big work have always been by being the source of the change, and then let people iterate on what I made. And for this case in particular, there is a total lack of consistence because I need a consensus to move a column, but nobody need a consensus to add a column (or even a full section)... So if the one who added this column just randomly put it the other array to begin with, that would be fine, but me moving it to that same array for an actual reason, not fine? You don't see a problem there? I'm not gonna lie, I'm salty, and I'm totally venting right now, I'm self-aware, but I really think you have an actual process problem there, thinking this is for the best, while it very likely just cripples the wiki. If one does such a modification without consensus, what can happen? Either most people will complain, and they will quickly revert it themself, or everybody will be fine with it and the wiki will move forward. Getting a consensus in a talk, that never happens, the only thing close to a consensus I ever saw here is contributors starting helping for a modification started by someone else. All the discussions I've ever seen here always ended in postponing (and maybe we should stop talking about this here, that's another user talk page, it will drive him crazy, if you want to discuss this with me, probably better to next reply on my own talk page). [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 19:27, January 31, 2020 (EST) | :::It's clear. But I still think asking for a consensus is not working. How can there be any consensus on a wiki with thousands of contributors (I assume) when no discussion ever involves more than 10 people? I've been here for a year now, and I never saw a consensus once. The only times I've ever been able to do some big work have always been by being the source of the change, and then let people iterate on what I made. And for this case in particular, there is a total lack of consistence because I need a consensus to move a column, but nobody need a consensus to add a column (or even a full section)... So if the one who added this column just randomly put it the other array to begin with, that would be fine, but me moving it to that same array for an actual reason, not fine? You don't see a problem there? I'm not gonna lie, I'm salty, and I'm totally venting right now, I'm self-aware, but I really think you have an actual process problem there, thinking this is for the best, while it very likely just cripples the wiki. If one does such a modification without consensus, what can happen? Either most people will complain, and they will quickly revert it themself, or everybody will be fine with it and the wiki will move forward. Getting a consensus in a talk, that never happens, the only thing close to a consensus I ever saw here is contributors starting helping for a modification started by someone else. All the discussions I've ever seen here always ended in postponing (and maybe we should stop talking about this here, that's another user talk page, it will drive him crazy, if you want to discuss this with me, probably better to next reply on my own talk page). [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 19:27, January 31, 2020 (EST) | ||
Litterally more than a year later: Not a single contributor has provided an opinion on the topic... So please tell me, how do I get a consensus? Waiting for a consensus does not work, the wiki is not well designed for such a validation process. So in the end, I proposed to rework the spirit pages to make them less bloated and more readable, and it has been denied on the sole reason that a single mod didn't agree. So please tell me, while you keep telling everywhere that mods aren't above the other contributors, why is it that Miles got the right to deny my proposition based on the sole reason that he didn't liked it (for personnal reason on top of it) while I was expected to have many people to validate it? Please tell me again how it is fair that I have to get a consensus while he only can say "no" without himself having to get a consensus to deny the proposition? [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 07:23, February 18, 2021 (EST) | |||
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