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| ::::I'm agree, Pokémon Trainer is a profession name, so he represents profession, not individual. just as we don't count Pikachu Libre as a stand-alone character, because Pikachu represent the race. Moreover Pokémon Trainer's appearance comes from ''Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen'', they are the same character in this game.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 09:18, May 2, 2019 (EDT) | | ::::I'm agree, Pokémon Trainer is a profession name, so he represents profession, not individual. just as we don't count Pikachu Libre as a stand-alone character, because Pikachu represent the race. Moreover Pokémon Trainer's appearance comes from ''Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen'', they are the same character in this game.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 09:18, May 2, 2019 (EDT) |
| <small>(Reset indent) </small> It's entirely unnecessary to mention the female trainer. We don't mention male Inkling, female Villager, male Wii Fit Trainer, female Robin, or female Corrin. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 11:59, May 2, 2019 (EDT) | | <small>(Reset indent) </small> It's entirely unnecessary to mention the female trainer. We don't mention male Inkling, female Villager, male Wii Fit Trainer, female Robin, or female Corrin. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 11:59, May 2, 2019 (EDT) |
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| ==Including Arsene and Madama Butterfly in parentheses in this table==
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| Do we really need it? We did have Pikmin on there, but I’m pretty sure part of that was because Olimars japanese name was Pikmin & Olimar. While Madama Butterfly and Arsene are vital parts of Bayonetta’s movesets, neither one of them is mentioned in the character’s title. Otherwise, we’ll have to add [[Ghosts]] for Pac-Man, Petey Piranha for Piranha Plant, Koopa Clown Car for Bowser Jr., all of the phantom thieves for Joker, put Chrom and Palutena in parentheses for Robin and Pit, Toad for Peach, etc. It’ll become excessive. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 15:19, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
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| :Arsene, like the Pikmin, is a vital part of Joker's moveset. Appearing in a single move or just smash attacks isn't the same thing as the entire moveset. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 16:02, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::So we should keep Arsene and remove Madama Butterfly? [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 16:19, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::[https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Characters&curid=433&diff=1255109&oldid=1255046 Isn't that exactly what I just did?] [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 16:32, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Formatting of Pyra and Mythra ==
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| There's been some discussion in the Discord how to handle this pair of characters, mostly whether they should be listed separately (like with Zelda and Sheik) or grouped with a slash (because unlike Z/S they have no independent appearances). While I think we might have to wait until we see what the game does, my opinion is '''separate'''. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Multifaceted 23:13, February 17, 2021 (EST)
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| :'''Separate'''. According to Toomai on Discord, they've always been separate, even before Smash 4, so I don't see a reason why Pyra and Mythra should be any different. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] ([[User talk:Awesomelink234|talk]]) 23:16, February 17, 2021 (EST)
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| ::'''Separate'''. Pyra and Mythra are no different than Zelda and Sheik. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Lovely Rurouni'''</span>]] 23:18, February 17, 2021 (EST)
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| :To sum up the discussion points I made in the Discord, I would prefer to '''group them'''. The formatting that's seen on the official website is "Pyra / Mythra", and that's what I believe the game will likely go with. Although it looks kind of strange in the infobox, the point made that they have no standalone appearances is notable; despite having multiple fighter numbers, they share the same slot, and it would look more odd to separate them. The clarity that they're meant to be a two-in-one fighter is more important to me than the consistency of listing them separately. (And although Zelda and Sheik have been historically separate, I honestly think they should be grouped together, too.) ~ [[User:StrawberryChan|<span style="color: #e68;">'''StrawberryChan'''</span>]] ([[User talk:StrawberryChan|talk]]) 23:20, February 17, 2021 (EST)
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| :::<small>(edit conflict)</small>'''Separate''', but I think (opinion subject to change) that we should keep their final smashes together, as per the discussion I started [[Talk:Burning Sword / Sacred Arrow|here]]. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|🦊'''Furry Nation'''🐺]]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 23:22, February 17, 2021 (EST)
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