Editing Talk:R.O.B. (SSBU)

==R.O.B.'s Down Throw==
I don't think this should be marked as a buff. While it does give more grounded follow-ups, it renders the Beep-Boop moot, so I think it should be marked as neutral and say something like: " R.O.B.'s down throw now buries opponents, now allowing for more guaranteed grounded follow ups at all times, however, due to this R.O.B.'s Beep-Boop combo can no longer be performed."[[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 13:32, 7 August 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
:But the bury effect is arguably much more useful. Typically burying moves have the caveat of being hard to land, so ROB having a bury throw is HUGE. It effectively gives him a KO setup that works up to any percent. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 13:38, 7 August 2018 (EDT)

== Source for Final Smash? ==

Where was ROB's final smash shown, and is there a video? [[Special:Contributions/98.116.184.165|98.116.184.165]] 21:41, 3 November 2018 (EDT)

== I have two questions ==

So, two questions. Number one. Don't we usually use the international colors for the infobox due to this being an English Wiki? I personally far prefer the JP colors to the NA colors, but consistency is improtant. Number two. Can someone give me a source for R.O.B.'s new FS? The concept seems to farfetched for someone to have made up, but just farfetched enough to be a Mr. Sakurai thing. Anyway, I'd like a source, preferably a video so I can see it in action. Thank you in advance. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:59, 9 November 2018 (EST)Blueflame105
:I'm pretty sure we're using R.O.B.'s Japanese colors for consistency with ''Brawl'', since they never released any official art of his NES colors in that case. As for the Final Smash, it can be found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aopZy5KXYdo here]. [[User:DryKirby64|DryKirby64]] ([[User talk:DryKirby64|talk]]) 23:05, 9 November 2018 (EST)
::The Japanese art was being used because we didn't have access to the NES color's head icon. I proposed we keep it Famicom for the time being, and change it back to the NES ROB once the game released and we had access to the game's files, and I would like to propose that again. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Rurouni'''</span>]] 23:22, 16 December 2018 (EST)

== Names of ROB's moves ==

Aren't the names of ROB's moves already confirmed? The game lists his back air and neutral air as Air B and Air N respectively. This matches how the moves are coded in game so I don't see why his other normal moves should follow the same naming convention? In fact I checked one other source (the official guide) and the names match perfectly. --[[User:OlympicMario7|OlympicMario7]] ([[User talk:OlympicMario7|talk]]) 14:52, 19 February 2019 (EST)
:The game lists ROB's back air as [[List of tips (SSBU)#R.O.B.|Air Boosters]]. AirN is there, but that's the only one. Also, we don't take the guide's word for anything, nor do we [[SW:SPEC|make assumptions about move names]]. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Lovely Rurouni'''</span>]] 14:55, 19 February 2019 (EST)

== Should we swap the Famicom and NES colors? ==

I know the reason why his infobox was only the Famicom colors for Smash 4 (before the tabber was implemented) was because the only version of the NES quality was a lower quality than the other characters. This isn’t the case anymore for Ultimate, as both versions have HD renders. So, should we switch any images using R.O.B.’s Famicom colors with the NES colors, including stock icons, his appearance on the character table, and wherever else it may be, since we are an english-speaking wiki prioritizing the japanese default. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 19:15, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
:The main reason we use Famicom R.O.B. as the default is because it's the default for ''Brawl'', so it's more for consistency than anything. [[User:DryKirby64|DryKirby64]] ([[User talk:DryKirby64|talk]]) 19:18, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
::True for Brawl and japanese versions, but we’re an english wiki. R.O.B.’s costume did switch, and I feel like it’s too major to just mention somewhere. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 19:29, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

== R.O.B.'s drowning animation ==

[https://mobile.twitter.com/krazybroo/status/1072609450119307264?lang=en When R.O.B. drowns, he dabs], WRONG! You see there are people who think R.O.B. is dabbing when is drowns but that's because of the camera angle. If you look at his eyes, you can see he's opening his arms. Don't answer it.
:Uhh was this really necessary? Please read [[SW:TALK]] because this is not how you use talk pages. <span style="font-family:Algerian;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #2091ff">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;">SupαToαd64,</span>]] [[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:lime;">the Best</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 01:02, October 12, 2019 (EDT)
Oops. Sorry. It's not okay to trash-talk in talk pages isn't it? But R.O.B. doesn't dab when he drowns doesn't he?
Y'know I think I'm doing good at editing articles ain't I?
:No it doesn't dab. We already told you to leave this dab stuff alone. Well you are doing alright but please listen to our warnings: this is SmashWiki, not MemeWiki. Even though I admitably was too blunt on Alex's talk page (I wasn't actually frustrated with you I just got carried away), we told you multiple times to stop with this dab stuff. I think you should read the [[SW:MOS|manual of style]] to know what is and isn't acceptable on here. And also please remember to [[SW:SIG|sign your comments]] like this "<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>" <span style="font-family:Algerian;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #2091ff">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;">SupαToαd64,</span>]] [[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:lime;">the Best</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 01:16, October 12, 2019 (EDT)

== R.O.B.'s back aerial ==

<s>From what i saw, R.O.B.'s back aerial can autocancel in a short hop, but its autocancel window is after he reaches the peak of his short hop: his short hop timing  is 40 frames, while back aerial and down aerial autocancel at frames 46 and 45, respectively. I know that he can autocancel his down aerial in a short hop because it stalls his momentum, but what about his back aerial? There are no sources that say that his back aerial slows down or stalls his momentum in the air, so explain to me how R.O.B can autocancel it in a short hop.</s>

== How can R.O.B autocancel his back aerial in a short hop? ==

From what i saw, R.O.B.'s back aerial can autocancel in a short hop, but its autocancel window is after he reaches the peak of his short hop: his short hop timing  is 40 frames, while back aerial and down aerial autocancel at frames 46 and 45, respectively. I know that he can autocancel his down aerial in a short hop because it stalls his momentum, but what about his back aerial? There are no sources that say that his back aerial slows down or stalls his momentum in the air, so explain to me how R.O.B. can autocancel it in a short hop.[[Special:Contributions/212.216.254.3|212.216.254.3]] 09:36, January 20, 2020 (EST)
:It also stalls his vertical momentum, just not as much as down air. This can be easily checked in-game, especially in Ultimate with Training mode's frame advance option. Use back air in a short hop and it'll autocancel. I'd advise you don't question the content of articles if you don't actually have the Smash games (especially Ultimate), since that's where all the information comes from in the first place. Proof-checking is ''extremely'' important for any edit. [[File:034.png|20px]] '''<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:DracoRexKing|<font color="red">DracoRex,]]</font> [[User talk:DracoRexKing|<font color="olive">Creator of the Land]]</font></span>''' 11:58, January 20, 2020 (EST)
:Also if you want technical proof, [https://rubendal.github.io/ssbu/#/Character/R.O.B. the scripts for R.O.B.'s back air] contain a line for adding momentum (SET_SPEED_EX) which shows the three coordinates. In this case you can see the move adds momentum in both the X and Y axes (1.5 and 0.5 respectively). [[File:034.png|20px]] '''<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:DracoRexKing|<font color="red">DracoRex,]]</font> [[User talk:DracoRexKing|<font color="olive">Creator of the Land]]</font></span>''' 12:02, January 20, 2020 (EST)
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 :The main reason we use Famicom R.O.B. as the default is because it's the default for ''Brawl'', so it's more for consistency than anything. [[User:DryKirby64|DryKirby64]] ([[User talk:DryKirby64|talk]]) 19:18, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 ::True for Brawl and japanese versions, but we’re an english wiki. R.O.B.’s costume did switch, and I feel like it’s too major to just mention somewhere. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 19:29, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
-[https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=R.O.B._(SSBU)&diff=prev&oldid=1365575 The tabs were swapped], and apparently this was an argument before. MeleeBoi makes a pretty valid point that most of us are not in Japan, so even though defaulting to the Famicom colors do make R.P.B.'s appearance consistent with Brawl, it looks pretty weird when one charter's stock icon used throughout the wiki is not the default for the regions where most of the wiki's readers will be. [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 05:43, February 5, 2020 (EST)
 == R.O.B.'s drowning animation ==
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 :It also stalls his vertical momentum, just not as much as down air. This can be easily checked in-game, especially in Ultimate with Training mode's frame advance option. Use back air in a short hop and it'll autocancel. I'd advise you don't question the content of articles if you don't actually have the Smash games (especially Ultimate), since that's where all the information comes from in the first place. Proof-checking is ''extremely'' important for any edit. [[File:034.png|20px]] '''<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:DracoRexKing|<font color="red">DracoRex,]]</font> [[User talk:DracoRexKing|<font color="olive">Creator of the Land]]</font></span>''' 11:58, January 20, 2020 (EST)
 :Also if you want technical proof, [https://rubendal.github.io/ssbu/#/Character/R.O.B. the scripts for R.O.B.'s back air] contain a line for adding momentum (SET_SPEED_EX) which shows the three coordinates. In this case you can see the move adds momentum in both the X and Y axes (1.5 and 0.5 respectively). [[File:034.png|20px]] '''<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:DracoRexKing|<font color="red">DracoRex,]]</font> [[User talk:DracoRexKing|<font color="olive">Creator of the Land]]</font></span>''' 12:02, January 20, 2020 (EST)
-== About R.O.B.'s stock icon ==
-I noticed that the table still uses R.O.B.'s Famicom design for his stock icon rather than his NES design that's used as the default on this wiki. The same applies for his ''Smash 4'' page. Could it be fixed? [[User:Diddy Kongstar|Diddy Kongstar]] ([[User talk:Diddy Kongstar|talk]]) 00:40, April 6, 2021 (EDT)
-== BigBoss ==
-BigBoss will certainly need to be in notable players after his Top 8 finish at Port Priority today, best ROB in Mexico alone is credit enough - let's just see what place he gets first and then add him in. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">Toast</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 17:29, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
-:The belief he's the best R.O.B. in Mexico is a more recent one (he was the 3rd highest ranked R.O.B. on their last pr) that said its not an idea that I disagree with. I personally support adding him but we have to collectively decide which R.O.B. he'd replace. Personally my vote would be Epic Gabriel or Dill, but curious what others think. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 17:45, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
-::Yeah, either Epic Gabriel on account of probably being forcibly retired, or Dill / SebPro on lower significance (comparative), the maximum of 10 definitely hurts for ROB when he's the most mained character at top level play, but just something we'll have to agree on for BigBoss' sake. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">Toast</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 17:40, November 7, 2021 (EST)
-:::Given 8BitMan's long string of mediocre results, a swap for Zomba also seems sensible there. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">Toast</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 21:08, December 19, 2021 (EST)
-::::8BitMan had rather solid results during the online metagame, so I don't think he should be ruled out yet. I'm honestly down to remove Raffi-X, as he's no longer competing/is banned, and while his results were really good, most of it was during the second half of 2019 and the first half of 2020, so in the long term, it may not be as notable compared to the others. I do agree with removing Dill and maybe SebPro as well; two of the three should be removed in favor of BigBoss and Zomba. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 21:21, December 19, 2021 (EST)
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