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SANS | SANS <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:TomoDerp|TomoDerp]] ([[User talk:TomoDerp|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TomoDerp|contribs]]) 19:09, September 4, 2019 (EDT)</small> | ||
:1. [[SW:TALK|This is not proper use of a talk page]]. 2. Sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 23:22, September 4, 2019 (EDT) | :1. [[SW:TALK|This is not proper use of a talk page]]. 2. Sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 23:22, September 4, 2019 (EDT) | ||
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inb4 steve mines his way to the battlefield and we get a ton of content [[User:Smashsans|Smashsans]] ([[User talk:Smashsans|talk]]) 10:53, September 5, 2019 (EDT) | inb4 steve mines his way to the battlefield and we get a ton of content [[User:Smashsans|Smashsans]] ([[User talk:Smashsans|talk]]) 10:53, September 5, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::lol, what can i say but this aged well [[User:RSM|<span style="color: #714EFF">'''RSM'''</span>]] [[File:RSMSignatureHead1.png|20px|Banjo_%26_Kazooie_(SSBU)]][[File:RSMSignatureHead2.png|20px|Steve_(SSBU)]] ([[User talk:RSM|talk]]) 08:20, April 7, 2021 (EDT) | |||
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Is the image really necessary? No other Mii costume has something like that, and it is also kind of a stretch (he has the same outfit in the game). [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 21:58, September 5, 2019 (EDT) | Is the image really necessary? No other Mii costume has something like that, and it is also kind of a stretch (he has the same outfit in the game). [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 21:58, September 5, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:I agree<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 07:27, September 6, 2019 (EDT) | :I agree<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 07:27, September 6, 2019 (EDT) | ||
== Species == | |||
In response to [[Special:Diff/1293817|this reversion]]: | |||
*Sans isn't the only one to state what his or others' appearance is based on. Not counting his own brother, who also refers to himself as a skeleton, we have Flowey introducing himself as a flower; Undyne being called a fish by the narrator and other characters; Napstablook, Mad Dummy and Mettaton calling themselves ghosts; Muffet calling herself and her assistants spiders; and the list goes on. In other words, what they call themselves does not dilute the fact that they are all monsters. | |||
**Additionally, there are no other subclassifications for monsters other than Boss Monsters, which are given to Toriel and Asgore (as in the first point, they're given this title despite being likened to goats alongside Asriel). Thus, saying Sans is a "skeleton monster" is inaccurate. | |||
*As explained in the game's introduction, both humans and monsters lived on Earth. The idea of a monster having knowledge of the Sun is far from outlandish (especially for Boss Monsters, who lived for far longer). Undyne even mentions the word "sunlight" before Sans speaks in the very same cutscene, confirming this point. | |||
*Finally, {{h2|SW:NOT|SmashWiki is not speculative}}. Relying on theories and other unofficial information to assert a point is discouraged and should thusly be avoided (the page has a message warning editors for this reason, specifically of a theory which also uses Sans' knowledge of the Sun as an argument). [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=User_talk:Nokii]] '''[[User:Nokii|{{color|#89d|Nokii}}]]''' — 18:43, September 15, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::I don't see a problem calling Sans a skeleton; we don't call Pikachu or Jigglypuff's species "Pokémon," so why should we call Sans's species "monster"? Yes, there are no subclasses in Undertale, but Sans and pretty much the whole internet calls his species a "skeleton" - you don't see anyone say "Sans the monster." [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 19:07, September 15, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::I also think that within the context of ''Undertale'', "monster" is less of an actual race or species, and more of a generalization for "anything that isn't human"; it's mainly defined by similarities in their biology, such as having weaker SOULs than humans. That's similar to saying that Isabelle is both a ''dog'' and a ''mammal'', but we go with just ''dog''. With that in mind, I believe it's more appropriate to call him a "skeleton" (since this is what he refers to himself as) rather than a "monster" (which is the greater race he belongs to). I came up with "skeleton monster" as a compromise, but it's kind of clunky. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 19:33, September 15, 2019 (EDT) | |||
==Trivia== | |||
If we were to shorten the trivia selection as the cleanup suggests, it would probably make the most sense to remove all the easter eggs in his reveal trailer. After all, [[Team Rocket]] for example doesn't discuss the trailer at all in its trivia, so what makes Sans special? [[User:Crazy456Rhino|An Adventurer draws near!]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 14:12, October 4, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Toby fox == | |||
Is he Aware of this wiki's existence cause I read the change note, Impling he is aware. [[User:AgedofallStrings|AgedofallStrings]] ([[User talk:AgedofallStrings|talk]]) 14:57, March 14, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:I was explaining this on the Discord but this has nothing to do with implying Toby Fox is personally reading SmashWiki; rather, he simply seems to have [https://web.archive.org/web/20160629100837/https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/697187914774618113 more or less] [http://radiation.fobby.net/halloween/ disowned] the Halloween Hack and it seems unnecessary to bring up. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:20, March 14, 2021 (EDT) | |||