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:::Both games were made by Konami, so... [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 12:57, 27 October 2015 (EDT) | :::Both games were made by Konami, so... [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 12:57, 27 October 2015 (EDT) | ||
::::So we have two Konami characters? (Poor Snake) And Capcom published Shantae in Japan, so... [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 13:03, 27 October 2015 (EDT) | ::::So we have two Konami characters? (Poor Snake) And Capcom published Shantae in Japan, so... [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 13:03, 27 October 2015 (EDT) | ||
:::::To me this seems easier to fake than the Rayman leak, which was actually slightly higher quality than this. At least that one was believable. Look at Shovel Knight's pose and see that it resembles his amiibo pose. This isn't even close to believable. [[Special:Contributions/75.141.57.33|75.141.57.33]] 11:27, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
His pose is similar, but the art is clearly new, don't insult other people's intelligence just because of what you think. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 12:01, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:I mean it's not of the best quality, at all, but it could lead to something, not saying it will, but it's possible. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 12:03, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::A mostly still image points to nothing except for faking when you look at the 3DS screen with all DLC characters, adding another should change the size, but it's the same. [[Special:Contributions/75.141.57.33|75.141.57.33]] 20:37, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Actually, that's not true, someone on Reddit found that the size would stay the same. And the difference between this and others is that this one has an original render. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 11:41, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::It's impossible for the size to stay the same. There's no room left. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 11:53, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::Apparently not, someone found on the CSS that there's room for six more characters, and all he had to do is shave off 4 pixels. Take a look, https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3oyjtf/the_smash_3ds_character_select_screen_can_fit/. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 13:28, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Getting back on topic... == | == Getting back on topic... == | ||
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:::::Yes it was, what he did was an unnecessarily exaggerated version of what I said, and imo, it came off as somewhat rude. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 16:32, 27 October 2015 (EDT) | :::::Yes it was, what he did was an unnecessarily exaggerated version of what I said, and imo, it came off as somewhat rude. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 16:32, 27 October 2015 (EDT) | ||
But we're getting off-topic. Again. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 16:37, 27 October 2015 (EDT) | But we're getting off-topic. Again. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 16:37, 27 October 2015 (EDT) | ||
:One thing that strikes me as odd, isn't there usually small lines on | :One thing that strikes me as odd, isn't there usually small lines on a 3DS screen? [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 19:45, 27 October 2015 (EDT) | ||
::The lines are there, but I don't think this leak deserves a mention anyway, having under 1,000 views. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: blue">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] Let's go Mets! ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 19:53, 27 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Call me crazy (Shovel Knight spent too much time in the video's margin for me to get a clear look), but isn't that the same artwork/pose that his amiibo uses? [[User:Phineas81707|Phineas81707]] ([[User talk:Phineas81707|talk]]) 01:40, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::Seems likely; there are some changes (helmet hole shorter, no hand over horn on the left), but with such a low quality editing artifacts are likely to be unnoticeable, I guess. Also, "someone I know" sounds way too fishy for this to be believable. -[[User:Menshay|Menshay]] ([[User talk:Menshay|talk]]) 07:05, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::Yes, the whole "my father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate works at Nintendo" joke makes these "leaks" a little skeptical... (Bonus points to whoever can name the reference I made) [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 08:20, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
Still, it's just a rumor, and should be taken as such. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 08:46, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Also, this was a similar case with the Nikka/Vanrose leak (Although this has video footage). [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 09:57, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
== The Shovel Knight Rumor's Legitimacy == | |||
YGC has stated several times it's not going to happen on various occasions, and people continue to believe it's still happening, after doing extensive research I found that they said that the listing for the Amiibo on the Spanish site was an error, and what I believe they were referring to was the fact that the Amiibo was listed as a "Smash" Amiibo, rather then in his own series. And even more damaging to the rumor's credibility is that they wouldn't be aloud to hint, speak, or do even refer to it if it was happening due to an NDA being involved. All of this evidence heavily suggests that the rumor is indeed false. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 09:16, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:YGC said the amiibo was a fake. And it wasn't. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 09:25, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||
::So why lie? [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 09:25, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:::I dunno, maybe they don't want information to be leaked? Like any good company would? [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 09:26, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:I recognise your name from the leak thread on Smashboards, you should know by now that whatever YCG states is completely irrelevant to the rumor's legitimacy. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:29, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||
::Huh, I guess, but aren't there legal issues involved? Like referring to this could possibly be violating an NDA. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 09:32, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:::And NDAs are the exact reason why anything YCG says is unsubstantial. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:37, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||
::::Remember though, Xander Moubis wasn't aloud to say anything at all about him being the announcer, while YGC has said numerous things. Even during the fake Rayman leak he didn't say a thing. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 10:16, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:::::It doesn't matter who says what. If it's unofficial, anyone can say what they want. If it's official, then the opposite occurs. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 10:18, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||
::::::I CALLED IT!!! (FUCKING CLOUD THO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)[[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 17:48, 12 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:::::::It's not deconfirmed yet. Less likely, though. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 17:50, 12 November 2015 (EST) | |||
::::::::Actually, it is, Tamaki said early November, meaning that he'd have to've been announced in between now and three days, and considering the next Smash announcement is in December, it's clearly not happening. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 17:54, 12 November 2015 (EST) | |||
Even still, plans change. He's most likely to be revealed as a ballot winner if anything. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 18:06, 12 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:Never released in Japan, hasn't broke 100K units, only been out for a year and the ballot's a suggestion box, not a poll. [[Special:Contributions/68.193.184.227|68.193.184.227]] 20:46, 12 November 2015 (EST) | |||
== Oh dear... == | |||
Should we mention this theory? | |||
https://youtu.be/6v_MdaIHOtk?t=2m43s | |||
People are thinking that the colors in the words may mean something, as in future characters, should we mention it in the article? | |||
(The colors used, Yellow and Green, Blue and Orange, Purple and Red) | |||
It seems to be a widespread theory, but I'll leave it up to you guys to decide. | |||
[[Special:Contributions/64.251.53.34|64.251.53.34]] 13:51, 7 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:Doesn't seem notable to me, no. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 14:03, 7 December 2015 (EST) | |||
== Just bringing it up == | |||
Doesn't seem widespread yet, somewhat disproven (but kind of on an ESRB leak scale), but here it is just in case: http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/320037569/super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-leaks <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 19:34, 13 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:The obviously fake Ravio video has received more attention than this. I don't think it should be on the page if fake. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 19:40, 13 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:Man, how I wish this were true. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px orange">'''Smashedpotatoes'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:cerulean;text-shadow: 1px 1px 3px cyan">'''(Talk)'''</span>]] 19:45, 13 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::The last picture with Wolf has some shading issues, these things aren't too hard to fake. I wouldn't put too much stock into it... Like at all. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 11:24, 14 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:::Also what really debunks this is that the Paper Mario stage is ripped straight from the 3DS version, so yeah. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 11:28, 14 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::::I've taken the time to take a good look at this leak myself. | |||
::::#Wolf's picture does have a shadow, but it's barely noticable. | |||
::::#The render for Paper Mario (the stage) has terrible lighting, and I don't think it's legitimate. | |||
::::#In the image with Wolf, Paper Mario, and Mega Man, there's a shadow behind all three images, despite there being no "Ready to Fight!" option (something not seen in the actual game). | |||
::::[[File:AidanzapunkChristmasSig.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Jolly Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkChristmasSig2.png|20px]] 11:53, 14 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:::::Also about Paper Mario, he was probably chosen due to how easy he would be to fake, notice the simple shapes and similarities to previous artwork, mainly from this picture, | |||
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjYscmV7NvJAhXGHT4KHfvkBa8QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-nextlevel.com%2Fmedia%2Fscreens%2Fgcn%2Fpaper-mario-the-thousand-year-door%2F&psig=AFQjCNH3QCuqVvDYehQH1CsarWC6f-5JaQ&ust=1450199459420387 | |||
Not to mention, due to the scale of Xenoblade Chronicles X, a stage would be extremely easy to fake, just take a snapshot, photoshop the characters out of it, and bingo, "LEAK". Not to mention that the image for Midgar was taken from a previous screenshot shown along with Cloud's reveal. Wolf was also probably made based off of a fanmade image using his Brawl model, but was heavily photoshopped to look like his appearance in SFZ. And finally the shading on the lines on the CSS are thinner compared to how they previously were. With all this in mind, it's pretty much fake, although the amount of detail is impressive, these things are easy to fake if enough time is taken. Stay away from leaks kids. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 12:18, 14 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::::::And that's how the cookie crumbles, it's been confirmed fake by the OP, who was involved with the Dr. Mario leak. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 12:22, 14 December 2015 (EST) | |||
<small>(Reset indent) </small> I knew it was a fake... [[File:AidanzapunkChristmasSig.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Jolly Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkChristmasSig2.png|20px]] 12:23, 14 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:So did I (And I'm sure most of us here) but I feel it's good to be on the same page. Also there was no One Winged Angel. [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 12:45, 14 December 2015 (EST) | |||
== Cleaning out the page == | |||
Okay, I'm about to get started on cleaning this page out to be only notable rumors, so I'm going to ask for the community's opinions on the rumors I'm unsure about: | |||
'''Lucas replacing Ness''': Given that this was officially confirmed, do we really need it listed here? | |||
'''Radio interview''': Quick google search gives no results except SmashWiki- keeping in mind that this is old and Google might have just bumped out all of the results, can someone who was around the fandom during Brawl confirm whether or not this was widespread? | |||
'''Clone removal''': Kind of a combination of the two above. Also, removal of clones was assumed a lot during Smash 4's production too, and most people will probably expect it in Sma5h. Everyone seems to assume they're being removed no matter what, so I don't know how notable this really is. | |||
'''Third third-party''': Not actually planning on removing the section itself, but can it be shortened and the subsections removed and replaced with a single sentence reading "Mega Man, Geno, Leon S. Kennedy, and a second Sonic the Hedgehog character were all brought up as possibilities", maybe with a couple extra notes on the ones that had high amounts of evidence backing them up like Leon? | |||
'''Namco worker''': I've heard about all of the SSB4 rumors except this one (and Lucina, see below for it though), so I'm a little doubtful on it. Was it really widespread? | |||
'''Lucina rumor''': I know that it's been covered this one wasn't widespread and is only being kept because it showed how high-tech rumors can be, but given that Omni's Rayman was more widespread and covers the same thing, can we remove it now? | |||
Please respond ASAP so I can get this cleanup started! <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 19:56, 23 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:Personally, I don't think we should have this page at all. It's more trouble than it's worth, but since I know I won't be convincing anyone: I would say that Lucas replacing Ness, clone removal, and Lucina rumor should go. I don't know anything about a the radio interview one. Namco should stay though. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 20:04, 23 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::If we delete it I'll probably just userspace it for my own benefit. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 20:59, 23 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:::IMO we should keep it, but trim it to only the ones that really received major coverage (e.g. Artsy Omni's Rayman). A lot of this page is extraneous. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:01, 23 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::::That's what I'm trying to help with. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 21:09, 23 December 2015 (EST) | |||
The rumor of Lucas replacing Ness was only confirmed for Melee AFAIK and is still well-known even today. The others should go IMO. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:#090">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: #f00;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 22:28, 23 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:It's kind of hard for Lucas to replace Ness when they're both in the other 2 games though (the rumor, as I recall, did not originate until Melee, so SSB is not relevant here). <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 22:32, 23 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::I mean in references to the pre-Brawl days. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:#090">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: #f00;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 22:35, 23 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:::Right now it's only listed as a Melee rumor with a small mention of how some people overreacted to the lack of Ness confirmation during Brawl. I'm not sure that type of overreaction makes it worth keeping- it's kind of like the "no more clones" thing. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 22:48, 23 December 2015 (EST) | |||
Bump. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 13:17, 30 December 2015 (EST) | |||
If no one else has anything to say, I'll be removing these rumors (except maybe the radio interview and Namco) sometime later today. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 13:19, 4 January 2016 (EST) | |||
:I wouldn't be so hasty in removing them. The majority of rumors in question were all pretty widespread back in the day. Before Brawl's release, I do particularly remember lots of people claiming that Sakurai was cutting all the clones from the roster (They even referenced this in the old Flash series ''Smash Kingdom''), and I remember hearing about the radio interview back in the day. Personally, what I think is best for the page would be to condense all the "third third-party" sections into one section with sub-points, and remove the Lucina rumor. The Lucina rumor wasn't widespread at all, and Smash Wiki was the only place I ever saw it covered. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:blue">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:blue">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]] 14:23, 4 January 2016 (EST) | |||
::My biggest problem with the removal of clones is that it doesn't have anything to back it up like most of the other rumors - it isn't pictures or interviews or anything, it's just false assumptions. It doesn't really fit it, and people will always claim that clones will be removed (if the fact that it happened again for Smash 4 is enough evidence). <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 21:19, 8 January 2016 (EST) | |||
:::The sooner that this cleanout gets done, the better. This talk page needs to be archived soon and we can't do that until this topic resolves. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 18:55, 25 January 2016 (EST) | |||