Talk:List of minor universes/Archive 1: Difference between revisions

:::According to [https://trademark.trademarkia.com/baten-kaitos-origins-76662310.html trademark information] and going by the original publisher, I'm pretty sure it belongs to Bandai Namco. Regardless of how it's grouped or treated in Smash Bros., it's still legally a third-party series. [[User:NuFace|NuFace]] ([[User talk:NuFace|talk]]) 03:12, November 27, 2019 (EST)

::::Okay, here's something interesting; the ''Baten Kaitos Origins'' trademark, which was held by Namco, [https://i.imgur.com/5ZgFR2o.png expired in 2014 and wasn't renewed] (as seen on the page you just linked). The original ''Baten Kaitos'' trademark, however, is [https://trademark.trademarkia.com/baten-kaitos-76413946.html still owned by Namco] and [https://i.imgur.com/CTOUkV0.png was renewed in 2015]. If I'm interpreting this right, it means that Nintendo itself owns ''specifically Baten Kaitos Origins'' (as they published it and gained the rights after purchasing Monolith Soft in 2007), while Namco still owns the original ''Baten Kaitos'', and so Nintendo can't use it without their permission. That's probably more comparable to ''Xenosaga'' being owned by Namco while ''Xenoblade'' is owned by Nintendo, but it's still a complicated issue because it means the rights to these two games in the same franchise are split between their publishers. It's not purely a Namco series or purely a Nintendo series, but in terms of the ''Smash'' rep it's legally second-party. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 15:14, November 27, 2019 (EST)