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::::::Our main objective is to capture what the ''playerbase at large'' thinks, and I would say it's fairly clear that many people "over-rate" characters as being clones using animations and special move mechanics only; a huge population called Wolf a clone in Brawl just because of his special moves, and Lucina was accepted as a clone quickly after her SSB4 trailer having no gameplay knowledge other than her animations being Marth's. In fact, I would wager (but cannot prove) that the vast majority of players do not care what function is when deciding for themselves whether a move/character is a clone. (It cannot be debated that function does not matter for at least the Melee clones, such as Falco, so this view is not without factual basis.) But we need to balance that with the need to be ''accurate'', and I'd say it's fairly evident that things such a "Wolf is a clone" are not accurate, which is why the additional categories were created: to try and capture the nuances between "character is cloned pretty much entirely", "character is cloned but also has their own things", and "character isn't really a clone (only in some ways) but a lot of people will tell you they are". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 06:51, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
::::::Our main objective is to capture what the ''playerbase at large'' thinks, and I would say it's fairly clear that many people "over-rate" characters as being clones using animations and special move mechanics only; a huge population called Wolf a clone in Brawl just because of his special moves, and Lucina was accepted as a clone quickly after her SSB4 trailer having no gameplay knowledge other than her animations being Marth's. In fact, I would wager (but cannot prove) that the vast majority of players do not care what function is when deciding for themselves whether a move/character is a clone. (It cannot be debated that function does not matter for at least the Melee clones, such as Falco, so this view is not without factual basis.) But we need to balance that with the need to be ''accurate'', and I'd say it's fairly evident that things such a "Wolf is a clone" are not accurate, which is why the additional categories were created: to try and capture the nuances between "character is cloned pretty much entirely", "character is cloned but also has their own things", and "character isn't really a clone (only in some ways) but a lot of people will tell you they are". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 06:51, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::I main Wolf, so I know well how short sighted it is to consider him to be a clone of Fox (I main Wolf, yet I can't do shit with Fox). But the thing is still : as long as some people consider two characters to be clones based on a similar gameplays and other consider two characters to be clones based on similar animations, an agreement on which characters are clones can't really happen. Personnally, I wouldn't consider Young Link and Pichu as full clones, the difference in body type and therefore hitboxes is quite important. So again, what are the priorities ? You need to sort out that before arguing, cause if people don't use the same criteria, a concensus is impossible. Maybe we should put two column : gameplay and animation, and then we may all agree that Young Link is a semi-clone gameplay wise and a full clone animationwise. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 11:56, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::I main Wolf, so I know well how short sighted it is to consider him to be a clone of Fox (I main Wolf, yet I can't do shit with Fox). But the thing is still : as long as some people consider two characters to be clones based on a similar gameplays and other consider two characters to be clones based on similar animations, an agreement on which characters are clones can't really happen. Personnally, I wouldn't consider Young Link and Pichu as full clones, the difference in body type and therefore hitboxes is quite important. So again, what are the priorities ? You need to sort out that before arguing, cause if people don't use the same criteria, a concensus is impossible. Maybe we should put two column : gameplay and animation, and then we may all agree that Young Link is a semi-clone gameplay wise and a full clone animationwise. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 11:56, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::Heck, maybe we can even start talking about semi-echo and pseudo echo, like maybe Young Link is actually a semi-clone and a semi-echo (different yet similar animations could be what's qualify as a semi-echo)... [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 12:00, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
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