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 == Orange Pit? ==
 I see a mention of an orange palette for Pit. I'm just wondering when and where this was shown? It wasn't at E3 and I don't remember seeing it in a POTD.--[[User:Raph the Great|Raph the Great]] ([[User talk:Raph the Great|talk]]) 02:38, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
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 Then Bowser's brown costume isn't based on Morton.
+And Sheik's Green isn't Saria.
 [[User:Whitey|Whitey]] ([[User talk:Whitey|talk]]) 13:13, 27 September 2014 (EDT) 13:12, 27 September 2014 (EDT)
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 Yes!! [[User:Whitey|Whitey]] ([[User talk:Whitey|talk]]) 10:33, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
 ==R.O.B. Blue and White==
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 ::::It's not the right color. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 13:53, 2 October 2014 (EDT)
-=Blue Charizard=
+==Blue Charizard==
 Didn't blue pallete swap of Charizard resemble Zubat/Golbat? (blue skin, purple wings) [[Special:Contributions/80.50.140.58|80.50.140.58]] 06:37, 4 October 2014 (EDT)
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 Is it notable that ganondorf's palette swap heads show hair color changes that are not in the actual palette swap?[[User:Littlesquirtle|Littlesquirtle, the one who fails slightly less than he used to.]] ([[User talk:Littlesquirtle|talk]]) 11:05, 6 October 2014 (EDT)
 :That happened in a lot of previous game's palette swaps (e.g. Gravity Suit Samus' purple helmet icon). {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 11:14, 6 October 2014 (EDT)
+So it's not? Reply if so[[User:Littlesquirtle|Littlesquirtle, the one who fails slightly less than he used to.]] ([[User talk:Littlesquirtle|talk]]) 11:25, 6 October 2014 (EDT)
+:I'd say it would be interesting Trivia, so go for it!! [[User:Gpev96|Gpev96 (SHAZAM!)]] ([[User talk:Gpev96|talk]]) 12:27, 6 October 2014 (EDT)
+::It's not, don't. This happens all the time in the smash series, see Roy's heads in Melee. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 15:31, 6 October 2014 (EDT)
+I see[[User:Littlesquirtle|Littlesquirtle, the Phillip.]] ([[User talk:Littlesquirtle|talk]]) 16:21, 6 October 2014 (EDT)
+==Dark Pit Brown==
+Different hair color and tan: the dark grey hair and tan with black clothes strongly hint at Magnus resemblance to me. [[User:SleepyRiri|SleepyRiri]] ([[User talk:SleepyRiri|talk]]) 18:33, 9 October 2014 (EDT)
+==Bowser Orange==
+The fluorescent pink hair tuft sort of resembles Bowletta from Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga.
+Guest [[Special:Contributions/101.115.16.66|101.115.16.66]] 02:19, 11 October 2014 (EDT)
+==Duck Hunt==
+http://www.wildfowl-photography.co.uk/identification/types-of-duck.htm this might help with the Duck Hunt pallete swap. [[User:Lucoshi|Lucoshi]] ([[User talk:Lucoshi|talk]]) 19:34, 12 October 2014 (EDT)
+== All Color Palettes in HD ==
+http://imgur.com/a/0RQtP#9tMtvwm
+Its every single color palette in the game with a full render, so I think these should replace the current ones since they are blurry from the 3DS. [[User:GamerGuy09|GamerGuy09]] ([[User talk:GamerGuy09|talk]]) 15:19, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
+:If that was transparent it would be my dream page... :D
+:Anyhow. I see no real problem besides transparency. But it would take quite a bit of editing. Anyone? '''[[User:Nutta Butta|...a new Nutta]]'''[[File:Nutta's Mallo sig.png]]'''[[User talk:Nutta Butta|is approaching...]]''' 15:24, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
+The last time I saw this list, it accidentally had one of the Robins duplicated (yellow), was therefore missing something (pink), and so was turned down (the set's description even says "Pink Haired Female Robin is MIA"). That particular problem seems to have been fixed, but the set as a whole still has some issues in my opinion:
+#Size. We have a general rule that images shouldn't be any larger than they need to be, and these certainly push that. They're also of inconsistent size, which may make them a challenge to put together in a cohesive way.
+#Mario has the fireball in his set. Personally I think it's a bit jarring, and makes it more obvious that he's being inconsistent in some way.
+#Transparency shouldn't be a big deal, but if/when we get extractions of similar quality plus transparency from the Wii U version, these ones will be ousted.
+#They're .jpgs. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, but it may mean that resizing them will produce artifacts. It's kind of impossible to predict or control.
+Now, all that being said, there are a few things that could potentially be done to alleviate these issues. I'll have a look at XL and see if he's capable of lessening the manual workload. As it stands I give it a 50-50 shot that I should be able to at least have a comparison available within say a week. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Engineer 17:13, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
+== Blue Shoes Sonic is Classic Sonic. ==
+I added this to the page and it got reverted, but [http://imgur.com/FfUrOn8 it looks spot-on to me.] - [[Special:Contributions/82.42.253.53|82.42.253.53]] 05:58, 19 October 2014 (EDT)
+:...as the reverter, I stand corrected. Give me a sec, and I'll change it back. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 09:53, 19 October 2014 (EDT)
+== Greninja Swaps ==
+I'm pretty sure the dark purple one is meant to represent Gengar's color scheme, that evolutionary line has typically been shown in the games and anime to use the move Lick a lot, which is a perfect representation on Greninja. I changed the pink one earlier today to mention is resembles Lickilicky. I don't have an account, sorry.
+:Lickilicky is a good match for pink Greninja, yes, but Gengar's purple is far darker than that of Greninja's. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 19:40, 21 October 2014 (EDT)
+::That, and Greninja can't normally learn Lick. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 19:42, 21 October 2014 (EDT)
+== Side by Side comparisons ==
+Fairly comprehensive. gets a few things missed on the wiki. Still being updated.
+http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2k2jis/smash_alts_origins_v7_pokemon/clhaz1a
+** Particular note on the Mario page http://furballcan.tumblr.com/post/98874751769/mario-palette-swap-breakdown for the green color. It comes from wrecking crew's box art instead of being "not luigi" <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Allsalts|Allsalts]] ([[User talk:Allsalts|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Allsalts|contribs]]) 12:02, 26 October 2014 (EDT)</small>
+== Takamaru ==
+Am I the only one who thinks that Robin's White (male) costume resembles Takamaru, rather than White Mage? This should be noted. [[Special:Contributions/75.141.44.196|75.141.44.196]] 16:14, 27 October 2014 (EDT)
+:Not quite. Takamaru's outfit is entirely white, with a red overcoat; Robin's white costume features him donning brown boots and a cape with red trim. White Mage seems more acceptable.
+:--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  16:23, 27 October 2014 (EDT)
+::But it does resemble Takamaru, it may not look ''exactly'' like Takamaru, but it resembles him nonetheless. In fact, I actually don't see that as white mage, (and I am a fan of Final Fantasy) so it might as well be mentioned. [[Special:Contributions/75.141.44.196|75.141.44.196]] 13:58, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
+== Reading too much into it: ZSS/Sheik/Palutena/Lucario ==
+Someone mentioned in one of the DK topics that just because a character is a certain color, it does not mean that they are based off of another character of that color. In that light, I don't think the description of green Sheik resembling Saria is what was intended. I think it's just... Sheik. In green. If the sleeves/boots were a darker green or something, then maybe, but as it is not even the shade of green is particularly similar.
+Similarly, I don't think the darker blue Zero Suit Samus palette is based on anything in particular either, on the basis that the [http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/File:Zero_Suit.png Samus' Zero Suit at the end of MP2] is probably intended to just be her normal suit, since it still has the pink marks that the normal ZS has and whatnot.
+Palutena's black palette too. It's basically just black with gold adornment, which is really nothing like [http://www.kidicaruswiki.org/File:Hades_final.png Hades], who has a lot of red and purple in his color scheme with no gold.
+Aaaaand while I'm at it Lucario's lightish blue palette is basically nothing like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Riolu_(Pokémon) Riolu] (any more than [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Lucario_(Pokémon) Lucario] already is-- they have the same palette).
+I think that's all I got for now. Good work overall, but the above descriptions are reaching just a bit too much.
+I feel like Brown Ike, Black Peach, and Cyan Pit are probably based off of other characters/iterations as well, but heck if I know who. I'll look into it a bit more. [[User:Banryu|Banryu]] ([[User talk:Banryu|talk]]) 13:38, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
+:For some things, like an instance of a character appearing as that color or a fairly clear analogue we can use "Resembles" instead of "Based on" but other stuff like Sheik being Saria is just wrong to me. It's just Green Sheik. Palutena's Black costume isnt hades, nor is Dark Pit's.
+:Lucario I would say is Riolu just because yes they have the same palette but Riolu is sometimes depicted as a lighter blue and doesnt have the yellow mid section. That's a case of "Resembles" rather than "Based on"
+:Speaking of. Lucario's dark blue looks almost identical to his anime/mega designs. Why are those banned on the page while say Greninja's purple arent. And why is it okay for Greninja's pink to be Lickiliki but not Charizards white to be Aerodactyl? [[User:Allsalts|Allsalts]] ([[User talk:Allsalts|talk]]) 23:07, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
+::Lucario's [[Palette swap (SSBB)#Lucario|Brawl palette swaps]] had one more closer to Riolu. The one we have now is farther away from that distinction.
+::As for Greninja, the pink is based off of Licklicky (or whatever the hell it is) because both have similarities. Tongues and pink color. Saying Charizard's white one is based off of [[bulbapedia:Aerodactyl (Pokémon)|Aerodactyl]] is a bit of a stretch. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 23:18, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
+::: Lickilicky has a pink body, lighter pink tongue, and yellow accents. Just like Greninja's swap. cool. Aerodactly has a whitish gray body and dull purple wings just like Charizard's swap. No go. How is that more of a stretch? I don't understand the distinction you're making. Especially considering Aero's X and Y sprite, its most recent iteration: http://www.psypokes.com/dex/psydex/142/picdex [[User:Allsalts|Allsalts]] ([[User talk:Allsalts|talk]]) 03:24, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
+::::In Generations 4 and 5, Aerodactyl's body is more grey than white. That's probably what I was thinking of. Looking at that, I say go ahead and add it. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 07:09, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
+:::::Also, how does Charizard's blue coloration resemble Golbat. Sure, the color might be similar, but the rest has no resemblance. Plus, we still have no mention of Aerodactyl yet, and Palutena's blue only resembles Pandora in that they're both blue. Other than that, no similarities. Also, I see Zelda's pink sprite as resembling her Ocarina of Time color scheme, but no mention of that. But why in the world does Greninja's purple color say that it resembles its Shiny colors, when in fact, it doesn't resemble it in any way. This page needs some work to be done. [[Special:Contributions/75.141.44.196|75.141.44.196]] 14:11, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
+::::: Golbat is blue with purple wings. We all know Charizard doesn't actually look like a Golbat. The reasoning on Zelda's pink swap is that its the only one that gives her a blue trim on the embroiderers on the bottom of her dress. The only Zelda's who have blue on the bottom of their dresses are ALttP and ALBW. All others tend to have purple, red, or dull grey gold trims. I'll put in the Aerodactly update. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Allsalts|Allsalts]] ([[User talk:Allsalts|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Allsalts|contribs]]) 21:57, 29 October 2014 (EDT)</small>
+==Pikachu's Section==
+Isn't this section a bit hard to get around? For example, the "White" palette swap has a reddish Pikachu with a white bandana having blue stripes and a red dot. Couldn't we rename some of the colors or something like that so the pictures and words could relate easier? [[User:SmashBros|SmashBros]] ([[User talk:SmashBros|talk]]) 15:46, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
+:I would '''agree''' renaming the less obvious ones (especially Pikachu's), but not the more obvious ones where you can tell "yep, blue." <font face="AmericanTypewriter">[[User: Rtzxy|<span style="color:darkorange;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:SmashSig.jpeg]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:blue;">Smashing!</span>]]</font> 15:50, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
+::It took much time and effort to generate the existing simple, unique colour names to each costume for every character. If you want them changed, you'll have to make a fully-fleshed suggestion set, not just a "can we change this". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Irrepressible 17:45, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
+:::How would I do that? [[User:SmashBros|SmashBros]] ([[User talk:SmashBros|talk]]) 11:50, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
+::::Post here with what you think each of Pikachu's costumes should be named. As with all other characters, try to keep names to one-word simple colours (red, blue, white), move to more complex colours if necessary (chartreuse, lavender), and only move to non-colours if there's no alternative (see Jigglypuff and Shulk). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Labbie 12:17, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
+== Find Mii/StreetPass Quest ==
+The stage [[Find Mii|Find Mii/StreetPass Quest]] has a mechanic where the [[Dark Emperor]] powers up all characters wearing a particular color at once. Preliminary testing has shown that the color of the costume matters. I assume this is based on the 12 colors you can pick for your Mii (Black, Brown, Light Blue, Blue, Light Green, Green, Pink, Red, Orange, Purple, White, Yellow), like in the game Find Mii/StreetPass Quest. Since this is relevant to costumes, I think it should be listed here. I'm not exactly sure how it should be, but my first thought is to title the colors as whatever Find Mii/StreetPass Quest classifies them as, then add any other necessary note in parentheses after it to distinguish from other costumes from the same character. Of course, it's going to be tricky to start adding this before all of the color groups are established. Note that the game never actually states the color, so it's necessary to pick obvious characters and use them as reference points (Kirby and Yoshi are particularly good for this). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:01, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
+:Interesting - this would be similar how Brawl's tournament mode uses twelve colours to denote costume (though Brawl has grey instead of a second green). If that's the case, we may be able to wait until the Wii U version comes out - if its tournament mode does the same thing as Brawl's does, we can start by assuming that "tournament mode colour" and "Dark Emperor magic colour" are the same, until a piece of evidence shows up proving otherwise. If the Brawl palette swap page is any indication though, we'll carry on naming costumes with colours that make sense, as opposed to just sticking with what they display, and just noting the game-decided colours in the image and/or text. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 14:32, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
+::Hmm, if tournament mode could do that, that would be useful. The reason I thought naming them with the colors from Find Mii/StreetPass Quest would be advantageous is that it would remove the subjectivity (although the parenthetical notes would still be subjective). On your note about the Brawl page though, it doesn't seem to note the tournament mode colors at all, so I'm not sure that that's a fair comparison. I don't really feel that strongly about displaying it in the way I suggested though. Also, I have now realized that you could easily use actual Miis to compare colors against, which each fall into known color groups. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 15:08, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
+:::The images on the Melee and Brawl pages have coloured bars beneath each option that show its tournament mode colour. It is true that subjectivity is bad, but I'd argue that confusion is worse - Brawl says that Peach's Daisy costume is "orange" (obviously yellow) while Ike's and Snake's defaults are "light blue/cyan" (nonsensical). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Dispenser 15:13, 29 October 2014 (EDT)