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:::::So maybe the leaks can be real. If they are real when the game comes out, I'd be fine with it. But I'm still disappointed about the roster. Why bring back Dr. Mario instead of Mewtwo? Why add Dark Pit as a separate character if he was already a Pit skin? Why is the Duck Hunt dog here? Why take out Wolf if he's less of a clone than Falco? Why isn't Krystal here? Where's Tails? Why is ROB here? Why did they make a group for clones? But hey, I'll still buy the game and enjoy it. At least I can have Sonic fight Mega Man. At least my main characters in Brawl weren't cut (except Snake who I was totally expecting cut). At least they introduced some exciting newcomers. Like Mega Man! But too bad some characters in my wishlist that didn't make it. I'm sure other people have wishlist with characters who don't make it, and that's normal. However, I'm still going to wait for the characters to be up on the official site before adding leaked newcomers like Ganondorf to my Sonic News Network userspace. Fine, you can have Ganon, Shulk and Jr. and do what you want. I'm still hoping for this leak to somehow to be fake. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 13:26, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
:::::So maybe the leaks can be real. If they are real when the game comes out, I'd be fine with it. But I'm still disappointed about the roster. Why bring back Dr. Mario instead of Mewtwo? Why add Dark Pit as a separate character if he was already a Pit skin? Why is the Duck Hunt dog here? Why take out Wolf if he's less of a clone than Falco? Why isn't Krystal here? Where's Tails? Why is ROB here? Why did they make a group for clones? But hey, I'll still buy the game and enjoy it. At least I can have Sonic fight Mega Man. At least my main characters in Brawl weren't cut (except Snake who I was totally expecting cut). At least they introduced some exciting newcomers. Like Mega Man! But too bad some characters in my wishlist that didn't make it. I'm sure other people have wishlist with characters who don't make it, and that's normal. However, I'm still going to wait for the characters to be up on the official site before adding leaked newcomers like Ganondorf to my Sonic News Network userspace. Fine, you can have Ganon, Shulk and Jr. and do what you want. I'm still hoping for this leak to somehow to be fake. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 13:26, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
::::::Dr. Mario is different enough from Mario to deserve his own slot, Sakurai said this when he revealed Lucina. It's not known whether or not Mewtwo is in the game. Dark Pit, like Dr. Mario, is different enough from Pit (moveset-wise) to have his own slot. Sakurai said not to expect "a lot of 3rd party characters", which counts Tails out because he would overrepresent the Sonic series. R.O.B. has historical significance as a landmark accessory, today he's a collectible and still makes cameos in games across Nintendo universes. The grouped clones is nothing new for one, considering Ganondorf was placed next to C. Falcon in Melee's menu, and secondly, the roster we saw doesn't have everyone unlocked yet, so of course the roster character placements look unconventional. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 13:37, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
::::::Dr. Mario is different enough from Mario to deserve his own slot, Sakurai said this when he revealed Lucina. It's not known whether or not Mewtwo is in the game. Dark Pit, like Dr. Mario, is different enough from Pit (moveset-wise) to have his own slot. Sakurai said not to expect "a lot of 3rd party characters", which counts Tails out because he would overrepresent the Sonic series. R.O.B. has historical significance as a landmark accessory, today he's a collectible and still makes cameos in games across Nintendo universes. The grouped clones is nothing new for one, considering Ganondorf was placed next to C. Falcon in Melee's menu, and secondly, the roster we saw doesn't have everyone unlocked yet, so of course the roster character placements look unconventional. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 13:37, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
::::::::Focus on the main issue here. A leak can look as convincing as it gets, but it is not and never will be a replacement for real, actual confirmation from trusted sources. Putting the characters revealed in the leak within the Super Smash Bros 4 confirmed content page is premature at best, as they have not been confirmed. Miles has consistently been dodging this issue by claiming consensus made before any leaks occurred- a consensus which is quickly proving to be false. Now that the circumstances have changed they must therefore become even more stringent. I must say I am severely disappointed with Miles for treating unconfirmed footage as objective fact- it may not be a hoax, but it could easily be a build that has since been scrapped in favor of something completely different. I should also add that the only evidence of Ice Climbers being cut is a quotation from a reporter which the reporter attributed to Sakurai. Additionally, notice that the game physics are completely different from those which have been shown in previous footage and that all of Shulk's moves are direct copies of existing characters' attacks (specifically, Link and Marth), not to mention that Duck Hunt Dog has had not even a single screenshot's worth of gameplay. The leaker even admitted to openly lying about DLC on two separate occasions. How can we trust someone who has been confirmed to be lying in the past- how do we know the leak itself isn't another lie? The leak is being given way too much benefit of the doubt- by definition, a leak is a mixture of partial truths and lies whose only purpose is to make the person telling them get their 15 minutes of fame. For now, nothing proves the leaks.  
::::::::Focus on the main issue here. A leak can look as convincing as it gets, but it is not and never will be a replacement for real, actual confirmation from trusted sources. Putting the characters revealed in the leak within the Super Smash Bros 4 confirmed content page is premature at best, as they have not been confirmed. Miles has consistently been dodging this issue by claiming consensus made before any leaks occurred- a consensus which is quickly proving to be false; as a former NIWA administrator myself, I am disappointed in how closed-minded Miles is proving to be in the face of reason. Now that the circumstances have changed they must therefore become even more stringent. The video may not be a hoax, but it could easily be a build that has since been scrapped in favor of something completely different. I should also add that the only evidence of Ice Climbers being cut is a quotation from a reporter which the reporter attributed to Sakurai. Additionally, notice that the game physics are completely different from those which have been shown in previous footage and that all of Shulk's moves are direct copies of existing characters' attacks (specifically, Link and Marth), not to mention that Duck Hunt Dog has had not even a single screenshot's worth of gameplay. The leaker even admitted to openly lying about DLC on two separate occasions. How can we trust someone who has been confirmed to be lying in the past- how do we know the leak itself isn't another lie? The leak is being given way too much benefit of the doubt- by definition, a leak is a mixture of partial truths and lies whose only purpose is to make the person telling them get their 15 minutes of fame. For now, nothing proves the leaks. Again, I propose the following change to the policy:
 
*Information derived from leaks can be present on pages, but it must not passed off as confirmed material until it is proven to be confirmed by official sources. --[[User:Anothrgamer1234|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234|talk]]) 18:34, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
Again, I propose the following change to the policy:
 
*Information derived from leaks can be present on pages, but it must not passed off as confirmed material until it is proven to be confirmed by official sources. --[[Special:Contributions/108.31.78.204|108.31.78.204]] 18:19, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
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