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*'''Pivot grab''' (known as '''CatchTurn''' internally), introduced in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', which is used by grabbing immediately after a [[pivot]]. This results in the character turning around and performing a grab with even longer range than the other grab types, allowing it to be used as an [[approach]] mixup. Pivot grabs tend to have more startup than both standing and dash grabs, and more ending lag than standing grabs but less than dash grabs. | *'''Pivot grab''' (known as '''CatchTurn''' internally), introduced in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', which is used by grabbing immediately after a [[pivot]]. This results in the character turning around and performing a grab with even longer range than the other grab types, allowing it to be used as an [[approach]] mixup. Pivot grabs tend to have more startup than both standing and dash grabs, and more ending lag than standing grabs but less than dash grabs. | ||
Grabs cannot be [[shield]]ed, and are thus an easy way to open up a hole in an opponent's defense. Upon a successful grab, the opponent is immobilized for a certain period, and | Grabs cannot be [[shield]]ed, and are thus an easy way to open up a hole in an opponent's defense. Upon a successful grab, the opponent is immobilized for a certain period, and the grabbing character has access to five possible attacks: a [[pummel]] by pressing an attack or grab button (except in ''Smash 64''), which racks up [[damage]] while keeping the opponent grabbed, or any of four [[throw]]s ([[forward throw|forward]], [[back throw|back]], [[up throw|up]], or [[down throw|down]]; only forward and back in ''Smash 64'') by tilting the [[control stick]] in the respective direction, which [[Knockback|launches]] the opponent and ends the grab. Characters can only be grabbed for a certain period of time, after which they break free in a phenomenon known as a [[grab release]], so the idea is that the grabber can throw them before this happens. This grab period is extended as the victim's [[damage]] percentage increases, but can be decreased by [[button mashing]] from their part. | ||
Several [[special moves]] are similarly able to grab and then throw opponents, which are similarly unblockable and put opponents in a unique state compared to normal grabs. These types of attacks are often referred to as '''command grabs'''. | Several [[special moves]] are similarly able to grab and then throw opponents, which are similarly unblockable and put opponents in a unique state compared to normal grabs. These types of attacks are often referred to as '''command grabs'''. | ||
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===Limits on grabbing=== | ===Limits on grabbing=== | ||
[[File:GW Ungrabbable SSBU.jpg|thumb | [[File:GW Ungrabbable SSBU.jpg|thumb|300px|An example of a grab failing to connect despite appearing as though it should connect, due to Mr. Game & Watch's arms and hands being ungrabbable]] | ||
In all games, most characters cannot be grabbed by less central parts of their bodies, such as lower arms, legs, or tails, which can lead to some unusual results against characters with extreme proportions. This varies depending on character; for | In all games, most characters cannot be grabbed by less central parts of their bodies, such as lower arms, legs, or tails, which can lead to some unusual results against characters with extreme proportions. This varies depending on character; for example, in ''Melee'', all of Kirby's hurtboxes can be grabbed, but only Jigglypuff's body is grabbable, while its hands, feet, and hair curl are not.<ref>https://twitter.com/UnclePunch_/status/1166922159542980608</ref> From ''Brawl'' onward, ungrabbable limbs tend to be only arms, with a few exceptions. Furthermore, from ''Brawl'' onward, characters cannot grab opponents behind them, even if the grab [[hitbox]]es connect with a grabbable part of their body that extends in front of them; this is unlike in ''Melee'', where not only this is possible, but certain dash grabs have some grabboxes intentionally placed behind the user. | ||
A particular character can grab only one opponent at once, and similarly, neither the user nor the victim can be grabbed by another character before the grab ends. Prior to ''Ultimate'', the [[Ice Climbers]] are able to grab two opponents at once, with each climber grabbing one opponent. In ''Melee'', Nana becomes [[CPU]]-controlled when grabbing an opponent, whereas in ''Brawl'', she can be controlled by the player during the grab, enabling [[zero-to-death combo]]s as each Ice Climber regrabs the opponent immediately after the partner's throw. In ''Ultimate'', Nana cannot grab at all, nor act while Popo is grabbing and throwing an opponent. | A particular character can grab only one opponent at once, and similarly, neither the user nor the victim can be grabbed by another character before the grab ends. Prior to ''Ultimate'', the [[Ice Climbers]] are able to grab two opponents at once, with each climber grabbing one opponent. In ''Melee'', Nana becomes [[CPU]]-controlled when grabbing an opponent, whereas in ''Brawl'', she can be controlled by the player during the grab, enabling [[zero-to-death combo]]s as each Ice Climber regrabs the opponent immediately after the partner's throw. In ''Ultimate'', Nana cannot grab at all, nor act while Popo is grabbing and throwing an opponent. | ||
Characters cannot use their grabs while holding an [[item]]; attempting to input one will cause them to drop or [[item throw|throw the item]] first. In ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'' and ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'', characters gain invulnerability to grabs for around one second after being released from them (70 and 60 [[frame]]s, respectively), preventing chaingrabs and [[team wobble]]s. In ''Ultimate'', this is indicated by the released character flashing yellow | Characters cannot use their grabs while holding an [[item]]; attempting to input one will cause them to drop or [[item throw|throw the item]] first. In ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'' and ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'', characters gain invulnerability to grabs for around one second after being released from them (70 and 60 [[frame]]s, respectively), preventing chaingrabs and [[team wobble]]s. In ''Ultimate'', this is indicated by the released character flashing yellow while the grab invulnerability is active. | ||
While non-playable characters such as [[Metal Mario]] (in ''Smash 64'') and [[Fighting Wire Frames]] can be grabbed, [[boss]]es such as [[Master Hand]] and [[Giga Bowser]] cannot. Most enemies in ''Brawl''{{'}}s [[Subspace Emissary]] and {{for3ds}}'s [[Smash Run]] (including the enemies inside [[Master Fortress]] in {{forwiiu}}) can be grabbed, usually those with a comparable size to the playable characters. However, in ''Brawl'', they cannot be held, grab released, or pummeled, instead causing the character to immediately throw them in the direction the control stick is held when the grab connects (forward throw by default). In ''Ultimate'', most but not all [[Assist Trophies]] can be grabbed. In ''Melee'', grabbing enemies in [[Adventure Mode]] instead allows characters to carry them like heavy items. | While non-playable characters such as [[Metal Mario]] (in ''Smash 64'') and [[Fighting Wire Frames]] can be grabbed, [[boss]]es such as [[Master Hand]] and [[Giga Bowser]] cannot. Most enemies in ''Brawl''{{'}}s [[Subspace Emissary]] and {{for3ds}}'s [[Smash Run]] (including the enemies inside [[Master Fortress]] in {{forwiiu}}) can be grabbed, usually those with a comparable size to the playable characters. However, in ''Brawl'', they cannot be held, grab released, or pummeled, instead causing the character to immediately throw them in the direction the control stick is held when the grab connects (forward throw by default). In ''Ultimate'', most but not all [[Assist Trophies]] can be grabbed. In ''Melee'', grabbing enemies in [[Adventure Mode]] instead allows characters to carry them like heavy items. | ||
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*If the grabbed opponent is hit instead, and not the grabber, they can [[armor]] through the attack and remain in their grab hold animation until they take above a certain amount of damage. Otherwise, they are released from the grab and launched by the attack as usual, while the grabber goes into their grab release animation. | *If the grabbed opponent is hit instead, and not the grabber, they can [[armor]] through the attack and remain in their grab hold animation until they take above a certain amount of damage. Otherwise, they are released from the grab and launched by the attack as usual, while the grabber goes into their grab release animation. | ||
**In ''Smash 64'' and ''Melee'', grabbed opponents take half damage from external attacks, and break free if the attack deals at least 6% with this reduction factored in. Hitting them repeatedly with attacks that deal less damage does not release them, even if their accumulated damage is much greater than the threshold; as a result, continuous weak attacks can be particularly effective for racking up damage on them. Additionally, in ''Melee'', hitting a grabbed opponent puts them in their grab flinch animation for 20 [[frame]]s, during which they cannot escape; exploiting this feature is what enables [[wobbling]]. | **In ''Smash 64'' and ''Melee'', grabbed opponents take half damage from external attacks, and break free if the attack deals at least 6% with this reduction factored in. Hitting them repeatedly with attacks that deal less damage does not release them, even if their accumulated damage is much greater than the threshold; as a result, continuous weak attacks can be particularly effective for racking up damage on them. Additionally, in ''Melee'', hitting a grabbed opponent puts them in their grab flinch animation for 20 [[frame]]s, during which they cannot escape; exploiting this feature is what enables [[wobbling]]. | ||
**From ''Brawl'' onward, grabbed opponents no longer take half damage from external attacks, and they are released if they take at least 10% damage total, rather than from a | **From ''Brawl'' onward, grabbed opponents no longer take half damage from external attacks, and they are released if they take at least 10% damage total, rather than from a single attack. This causes them to escape much more easily, weakening the effectiveness of attacking an opponent while another character holds them in a grab. They are also no longer put in their grab flinch animation, preventing wobbling or any similar techniques. | ||
===Interaction with other hitboxes=== | ===Interaction with other hitboxes=== | ||
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===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''=== | ===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''=== | ||
[[File:MarthAndYoshiGrabRange.gif|thumb|{{SSBM|Yoshi}}'s grab range compared to {{SSBM|Marth}}'s. Note that Marth's grab only succeeds due the large [[hurtbox]] of Yoshi's nose.]] | [[File:MarthAndYoshiGrabRange.gif|thumb|{{SSBM|Yoshi}}'s grab range compared to {{SSBM|Marth}}'s. Note that Marth's grab only succeeds due the large [[hurtbox]] of Yoshi's nose.]] | ||
''Melee'' grab ranges by character according to Zeckemyro and SuperSqank.<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1376977622123560964</ref> This testing is done by calculating the distance between bone 0 (the character's position) and the tip of the furthest grabbox. While Bowser and Yoshi have higher grab ranges than Marth (who was thought to have the longest non-tether grab in the game), this is only because the long range of their grabboxes was made to fit their larger bodies<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1376911520010010628</ref> | ''Melee'' grab ranges by character according to Zeckemyro and SuperSqank.<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1376977622123560964</ref> This testing is done by calculating the distance between bone 0 (the character's position) and the tip of the furthest grabbox. While Bowser and Yoshi have higher grab ranges than Marth (who was thought to have the longest non-tether grab in the game), this is only because the long range of their grabboxes was made to fit their larger bodies.<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1376911520010010628</ref> Marth has a better grab by comparison due to its better disjoint compared to his smaller size despite having less range overall (which is further complimented by its superior speed). | ||
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===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''=== | ===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''=== | ||
[[File:GrabRankingsSSBU.gif|thumb|300px|Grabs in ''SSBU'' ranked from shortest to longest.]] | [[File:GrabRankingsSSBU.gif|thumb|300px|Grabs in ''SSBU'' ranked from shortest to longest.]] | ||
Grab ranges in ''Ultimate'' as tested by Zeckemyro<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1488287321346695176</ref> and CrimsonStarfall<ref>https://twitter.com/CrimsonStarfall/status/1316920799522115585</ref> | Grab ranges in ''Ultimate'' as tested by Zeckemyro<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1488287321346695176</ref> and CrimsonStarfall.<ref>https://twitter.com/CrimsonStarfall/status/1316920799522115585</ref> The number besides each position indicates the range using in-game units. Extended grabs will be followed by an asterisk (*) due to only being approximations. Their range was tested and is placed correctly. [[Jostle]] and the height of the grabboxes can affect their consistency in the midst of battle. The grabs are listed based on their raw horizontal range. | ||
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==Trivia== | ==Trivia== | ||
*Only two characters in the series – [[Luigi]] and [[Link]] – have had their grab type outright changed, with Link's grab changing from tether to standard, and Luigi's grab changing from standard to tether. Both of these changes occurred in ''Ultimate''. | *Only two characters in the series – [[Luigi]] and [[Link]] – have had their grab type outright changed, with Link's grab changing from tether to standard, and Luigi's grab changing from standard to tether. Both of these changes occurred in ''Ultimate''. | ||
*In ''Melee'', characters hanging on [[ledge]]s cannot be grabbed, but in every other game they can. This can be done if a certain character's grab animation is low enough to be able to grab a character hanging from a ledge if the latter character's head is above the ledge. An example video for ''SSB4'' can be seen [https://youtube.com/watch?v=n1bnkhmTbgI here]. Example for ''SSB'' can be seen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Jb8ka0SJE here] | *In ''Melee'', characters hanging on [[ledge]]s cannot be grabbed, but in every other game they can. This can be done if a certain character's grab animation is low enough to be able to grab a character hanging from a ledge if the latter character's head is above the ledge. An example video for ''SSB4'' can be seen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1bnkhmTbgI here]. Example for ''SSB'' can be seen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Jb8ka0SJE here]. | ||
*Grabs are the only non-special moves to not cause the player's controller to [[rumble]] (should the feature be turned on) when used, only doing so if the grab connects with an opponent. | *Grabs are the only non-special moves to not cause the player's controller to [[rumble]] (should the feature be turned on) when used, only doing so if the grab connects with an opponent. | ||