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#I understand the idea behind no slashed for most multi-name special moves, but doesn't that directly go against the whole "generic name" point made in this very thread? Additionally, there is no fine line for what is and isn't notable enough to not have slashes besides Cloud's FS being a purely aesthetic change. Limit charge and finishing touch are clearly different. Banjo's neutral special is a gray area with no good solution, because while both moves involve Kazooie spitting eggs, they have completely different animations and functions. I don't play enough Bayonetta to know how different her side specials are mechanically, I believe that they are completely different attacks in her own games. However, I would also oppose splitting all multi-name moves outside of Palutena's down special (since those used to be different inputs), because there would be very little information split on multiple pages. Steve's neutral specials are all very different mechanically, but they all synergies with each other by involving the materials mined. Sephiroth's up specials have different games of origin, but the moves themselves boil down to one being stronger, so it would be pointless to split, but would basically ignore an equal part of the move despite their similarities. Min Min's more prominent up special is her aerial version, but her grounded version is listed first, so why would the move barely anyone uses get priority? In most cases, multi-name move variants are equally prominent in comparison to each other. I can maybe see a case of ignoring slashes for Hero's specials, Gun/Gun Special, and Sephiroth's neutral special, but that's only 5 exceptions against at least 12 others, and in that case you might as well just put slashes for all of them. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 19:36, January 13, 2021 (EST) | #I understand the idea behind no slashed for most multi-name special moves, but doesn't that directly go against the whole "generic name" point made in this very thread? Additionally, there is no fine line for what is and isn't notable enough to not have slashes besides Cloud's FS being a purely aesthetic change. Limit charge and finishing touch are clearly different. Banjo's neutral special is a gray area with no good solution, because while both moves involve Kazooie spitting eggs, they have completely different animations and functions. I don't play enough Bayonetta to know how different her side specials are mechanically, I believe that they are completely different attacks in her own games. However, I would also oppose splitting all multi-name moves outside of Palutena's down special (since those used to be different inputs), because there would be very little information split on multiple pages. Steve's neutral specials are all very different mechanically, but they all synergies with each other by involving the materials mined. Sephiroth's up specials have different games of origin, but the moves themselves boil down to one being stronger, so it would be pointless to split, but would basically ignore an equal part of the move despite their similarities. Min Min's more prominent up special is her aerial version, but her grounded version is listed first, so why would the move barely anyone uses get priority? In most cases, multi-name move variants are equally prominent in comparison to each other. I can maybe see a case of ignoring slashes for Hero's specials, Gun/Gun Special, and Sephiroth's neutral special, but that's only 5 exceptions against at least 12 others, and in that case you might as well just put slashes for all of them. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 19:36, January 13, 2021 (EST) | ||
#:There is a difference between a generic name and a name used officially. Limit Charge is actually an exception that I unintentionally left out, so thank you for reminding me of that; the exceptions have been updated. Banjo's egg firing is...well, egg firing regardless. Bayonetta's two attacks are two separate attack options (it's been a while since I've played either game), but they are essentially the same move. I'm not going to suggest splitting all multinamed moves (we 100% do not need separate pages for Frizz, Frizzle, and Kafrizz, for instance), only that they would be mentioned separately and not in the article title. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 20:01, January 13, 2021 (EST) | #:There is a difference between a generic name and a name used officially. Limit Charge is actually an exception that I unintentionally left out, so thank you for reminding me of that; the exceptions have been updated. Banjo's egg firing is...well, egg firing regardless. Bayonetta's two attacks are two separate attack options (it's been a while since I've played either game), but they are essentially the same move. I'm not going to suggest splitting all multinamed moves (we 100% do not need separate pages for Frizz, Frizzle, and Kafrizz, for instance), only that they would be mentioned separately and not in the article title. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 20:01, January 13, 2021 (EST) | ||
:::I think I know a good solution that would allow each case to be consistent (consistency is the main reason I think the slashes should stay): remove slashes if the next name just the same name with a prefix or suffix. This draws a fine line between what would and wouldn't have slashes that can't be misconstrued due to its objectivity. This would mean that Gun/Gun Special, Eiha/Eihagon, Flare/Megaflare/Gigaflare, Omnislash/Omnislash Ver. 5, and Hero's specials would be the only multi-name specials with no slashes in the title, but all of the others would. Basically, the same as what was listed in the original post, but with the additions of Egg Firing/Breegull Blaster, Heel Slide/Afterburner Kick, and Blade Dash/Octoslash. Technically, Tetrakarn and Makarakarn have the same suffix, but both are so different from Rebel's Guard that I think it's fine. Arms Jump and Arms Hook also start with the same word, but again, those are completely different actions, so those should also be fine. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 15:30, January 15, 2021 (EST) | |||
#I think we should keep the slashes. I understand that [[SW:OFFICIAL|SmashWiki doesn't have to be official]], but I personally feel like we should use the official names when we can. The only one I'm iffy on, as stated above, is Omnislash. [[User:Aykrivwassup|Aykrivwassup]] ([[User talk:Aykrivwassup|talk]]) 21:20, January 13, 2021 (EST) | #I think we should keep the slashes. I understand that [[SW:OFFICIAL|SmashWiki doesn't have to be official]], but I personally feel like we should use the official names when we can. The only one I'm iffy on, as stated above, is Omnislash. [[User:Aykrivwassup|Aykrivwassup]] ([[User talk:Aykrivwassup|talk]]) 21:20, January 13, 2021 (EST) | ||