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 :Indeed, and agreed.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 02:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 :Proposed Policy under SmashWiki namespace now.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 02:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
+==Crew namespace==
+Crew pages have to get out of the mainspace. However we decide to do it, they need to go. The main namespace should be about the games- not the people who play it. Nobody really cares what crew I join or what my smasher name is. They care how much damage a Bob-omb deals or what Galleom's attacks are. I have no evidence to support my claim that people don't care, but it's what I believe common sense says and my opinion is still valid- you can not dismiss it any more easily than I can dismiss yours.
+The Smasher namespace is for people. The Crew namespace is for groups of Smashers. The mainspace is for game content. Clear-cut and simple; there's really not any problems to be found.
+There are no disadvantages to separating all crews into a separate namespace. It increases readability. People can filter out the crew namespace from their [[Special:RecentChanges|RCs]], since crew edits generally don't need patrolling; [[Special:Random]] will no longer return pages about an obscure crew that nobody knows about and will likely never care about. Once everything is standardized into the namespace, findability becomes a non-issue- only the most extreme of idiots won't be able to find the page they want if they're all named the same way. It rehabilitates the utility of Special: functions like [[Special:ShortPages]], [[Special:LonelyPages]] and [[Special:AllPages]], which are mostly unusable at this point- if I feel motivated enough to go looking for articles in those categories to improve, chances are I'm not going to be working on a crew page that I've never heard of. The sole "advantage" of leaving the crew pages as they are would be that we have to do nothing- and seeing how poorly designed our current system is, the "benefit" of doing nothing is, frankly, nothing.
+I too have wanted to go on a crew-repair rampage for a while now. But really, the only feasible way to do it is to move it to a namespace. Purging all crews is a fine short-term solution, but what will it accomplish in the long term? Unless we purge and then set up a separate namespace anyway, all crew pages will end up back in their state of disarray- as they are now- which is the entire point of this proposed namespace.<br>
+"''Instead of enabling people to create more articles about crews we don't need, how about we delete those random crew articles? How about people need notoriety in order to have a crew?''" I thought that too, back when I first thought about how we were going to fix up the crew pages. But, the problem is that neither you nor I nor anyone will ever be able to solve is a criteria for notability. It is not our place to determine who is pro enough to have a page and who is not. You may say "They must have participated in a tournament." Three problems: 1) Who are we to arbitrarily decide which tournaments qualify for notability? 2) What about the people who come in dead last in those tournaments? Are the failures notable for losing 5-0 against some other random person who also is not notable? 3) Even if we actually do manage to come up with a criteria for what tournaments are valid and even if we decide what rankings must be achieved in these tournaments (good luck olol)... how are we supposed to prove that someone participated in a tournament? Demand they give out personal information? :/<br>
+"''...if we get a crew namespace, there is no grounds of which a Universe namespace (or even a Mario/Zelda/Kirby namespace) can't exist.''" [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html Slippery slope is slippery]- and even if that argument wasn't fallacious, there are grounds with which to reject it. Primarily that the relation between the Smash and <insert series here> universes is thinner than a hair. Whereas crews are a relevant part of the Smash community, the Water Temple from Ocarina of Time is not relevant. Their only relationship is of course the characters from Zelda and the stages from it. However, seeing as neither the characters nor the stages directly relate to the Water Temple, there doesn't need to be a page about it. Nor anything else that isn't present in Smash. Thus, we don't need a namespace for any such.
+I would suggest that we not allow any exceptions; once the line begins to bend, we'll never be able to straighten it back out. --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 04:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)