Forum:Ganondorf treated unfairly: Difference between revisions

Well said, Blue. Kind of. And I'm glad to have another Shippiddge Hater. Care to join my Youtube group? [[User:SSBC|SSBC]] ([[User talk:SSBC|talk]]) 03:03, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

:Sure. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">BNK</span>]]</font>^{<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]} 03:08, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

I'm never big on saying that a character is treated "unfairly" over two years after the game came out.  I really haven't seen the level of play out of Ganon that I have out of Meta Kinght, Snake, etc...  The simple fact of the matter is that Ganon doesn't win tourneys.  And that's not because people don't play him, or at least that they don't try him.  Do you honestly think that people that play this game competitively (i.e. Mew2King) just randomly picked their character.  Mew2King especially would try every character to figure out which one is the best.  And he doesn't do this lightly; he's made some amazingly detailed calculations of every character's attributes in Melee, and he's equally specific about Brawl.  And if there really is something about a character that could make them break-out, go try in in competition.  Look at Ken with Marth and Wobbles with the Ice Climbers.  People didn't think they were all that good until people proved it on the tournament field.  Then people took notice, and revised their opinions of those characters.  If you honestly think Ganon can do this, show it.  People will notice if you beat top pros; they don't when you make a forum and say you could be good if you practiced.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 00:51, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

:Wow, you have such a bleak opinion on the Smash World. I honestly don't care of Mew2King. No. Not one bit. My idol players are Zhoaten and Ally. And against those people, who have devoted much of their teenage-adult life to Brawl... I just don't think I'd be able to compete with that. I don't play too much Brawl due to school, life, etc. and just don't have the seasoning of a true Brawler. [[User:SSBC|SSBC]] ([[User talk:SSBC|talk]]) 03:04, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

::So you admit that you have no experience with high level play and don't really know how Ganon would fare? zzz. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 03:57, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

At least Ganondorf can abuse the fact that people underrate him and play against him in the wrong way (like for example approach him instead of camping him, allowing him to hit. And when he lands a hit, he can rack damage very quickly (although unfortunately his moves also stale pretty quickly), [[Flame Choke]] itself is an amazing tech-chasing move.

But about recovery, SSBC, I have to disagree. His recovery is terrible. Aerial Flame Choke is easily intercepted due 19 frames start-up, and Up b has 14 frames start-up and no type of Super Armor or anything, only grab Armor which hasn't too much horizontal range and no priority at all right above him, though the uppercut has surprisingly good range and has pretty good priority. He also has both slow air movement and fast fall. It may be equal or even worse than Link's recovery due although both are around equal horizontally and Ganondorf clearly has a better vertical recovery, the lack of projectiles and lack of a disjointed up b makes him easier to edge-guard. Also, the [[Landing lag glitch]] is also very annoying due his lack of air speed with also lack of good moves to reliably keep the opponent away from the punishment of that lag. [[User:Firewario|Firewario]] ([[User talk:Firewario|talk]]) 10:21, March 27, 2010 (UTC)