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:::I have thought about it a bit since and I think there is a problem here : first, you told me that it's tournament ruleset and that's it, but if so, why some stage have a double status while only one tournament is referenced so far ? WarioWare is Banned/Starter, but the only tournament referenced is Smashadelphia, where WarioWare was a Starter, so where does the Banned part come from ? Also, due to the Stage Hazards Toggle, I think the page will end up having a problem : to keep the list short, tournament list will keep some viable stage out, and sooner or later, the list will probably end up mostly with stage that are either "varies" or "banned", and at this point, it will make the whole list useless (what's the informative value of "varies" ?). Shouldn't the people who work on this wiki start to think about a rule like "If the stage is a starter in at least X % of tournaments, then it's a starter, otherwise if it's a conterpick in at least Y % of the tournaments, then it's a counterpick, overwise it's banned" (and if two similar stages end up being both legal because of such a rule, you can still add a footnote "Those two stage a commonly considered legal but are never both allowed in the same tournament for they are too similar"). Just some input from a random user [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 05:12, 25 December 2018 (EST) | :::I have thought about it a bit since and I think there is a problem here : first, you told me that it's tournament ruleset and that's it, but if so, why some stage have a double status while only one tournament is referenced so far ? WarioWare is Banned/Starter, but the only tournament referenced is Smashadelphia, where WarioWare was a Starter, so where does the Banned part come from ? Also, due to the Stage Hazards Toggle, I think the page will end up having a problem : to keep the list short, tournament list will keep some viable stage out, and sooner or later, the list will probably end up mostly with stage that are either "varies" or "banned", and at this point, it will make the whole list useless (what's the informative value of "varies" ?). Shouldn't the people who work on this wiki start to think about a rule like "If the stage is a starter in at least X % of tournaments, then it's a starter, otherwise if it's a conterpick in at least Y % of the tournaments, then it's a counterpick, overwise it's banned" (and if two similar stages end up being both legal because of such a rule, you can still add a footnote "Those two stage a commonly considered legal but are never both allowed in the same tournament for they are too similar"). Just some input from a random user [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 05:12, 25 December 2018 (EST) | ||
::::If you look at the recent big tournaments, it looks like the 5 starter and 3 counterpick stages will probably become the standard. [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 11:48, 28 December 2018 (EST) | ::::If you look at the recent big tournaments, it looks like the 5 starter and 3 counterpick stages will probably become the standard. [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 11:48, 28 December 2018 (EST) | ||
:::::OK, I'll let people that are more educated than me on the matter handle it. You'll still have my proposition about how to deal with it if you ever need to. By the way, just another idea, you could also separate "banned" in 2 status if tournaments end up not using the same standard : something like "avoided" (mostly banned but not always) and "banned" (never ever legal in any tournament ever). [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 08:48, 3 January 2019 (EST) | |||
== Banned Battlefield/Omega Forms == | == Banned Battlefield/Omega Forms == | ||
While all BF/FD versions of stages are the same on a functional level, there will be a few that get banned for visual and readability problems. Fountain of Dreams has reflections on all forms so that's gonna cause framerate issues, especially in doubles and Ice Climbers matches. Should we have a list of stages banned in all forms too? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 19:56, 21 December 2018 (EST) | While all BF/FD versions of stages are the same on a functional level, there will be a few that get banned for visual and readability problems. Fountain of Dreams has reflections on all forms so that's gonna cause framerate issues, especially in doubles and Ice Climbers matches. Should we have a list of stages banned in all forms too? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 19:56, 21 December 2018 (EST) | ||