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This is motivated by the recent discussion about Electroshock/Upperdash Arm, Dancing Blade/Double-Edge Dance and Fox/Falco's Blasters. I feel there should be some kind or policy, or at least a discussion about what similar/cloned special moves should be separated, and what ones should be covered in a single shared page. | This is motivated by the recent discussion about Electroshock/Upperdash Arm, Dancing Blade/Double-Edge Dance and Fox/Falco's Blasters. I feel there should be some kind or policy, or at least a discussion about what similar/cloned special moves should be separated, and what ones should be covered in a single shared page. | ||
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# '''Differing English or Japanese name from cloned move{{'}}s corresponding name(s)'''. Moves owned by the same character with new changes in different installments are excepted. | # '''Differing English or Japanese name from cloned move{{'}}s corresponding name(s)'''. Moves owned by the same character with new changes in different installments are excepted. | ||
# '''Significant physical hitbox differences'''. Does the structure and/or behavior of cloned move's hitbox, such as size, length, duration, speed, range, trajectory, placement, and quantity, differ from the original moves' in such a way that | # '''Significant physical hitbox differences'''. Does the structure and/or behavior of cloned move's hitbox, such as size, length, duration, speed, range, trajectory, placement, and quantity, differ from the original moves' in such a way that there is enough to warrant a separate page due to the overall differentiation and amount of feasible and relevant content written or able to be written on the move? | ||
# '''Significantly differentiated move properties'''. Does the cloned move's properties differ beyond damage and knockback output? Are there are new properties such as spiking potential, hit quantity, and attack effects that | # '''Significantly differentiated move properties'''. Does the cloned move's properties differ beyond damage and knockback output? Are there are new properties such as spiking potential, hit quantity, and attack effects that there is enough to warrant a separate page due to the overall differentiation and amount of feasible and relevant content written or able to be written on the move? | ||
[[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 12:14, 13 April 2016 (EDT) | [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 12:14, 13 April 2016 (EDT) | ||
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:::::Once again Poultry, do you even read? Or are you just trolling? We don't care about incredibly minor things such as a very, very tiny change such as small change in animation. Voice clips are irrelevant here. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 20:23, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | :::::Once again Poultry, do you even read? Or are you just trolling? We don't care about incredibly minor things such as a very, very tiny change such as small change in animation. Voice clips are irrelevant here. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 20:23, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | ||
::::::I have to say, that was a bit rude. Even if someone's logic is flawed, that doesn't give you the right to be nasty to them. Please try to be a little nicer and less critical. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 20:45, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | ::::::I have to say, that was a bit rude. Even if someone's logic is flawed, that doesn't give you the right to be nasty to them. Please try to be a little nicer and less critical. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 20:45, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | ||
:::::::Sure, but if you're going to contribute to a discussion, at least know a significant amount about it so that if and when you contribute to it, you'll actually keep it progressing in a good direction and not come across as uninformed or trolling. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 20:56, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
:::::::[[SW:TALK]] rule break? --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 20:49, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
::::::::You don't need to point any fingers man, that gets nothing done. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 20:56, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
I do read, in fact i have all games now, im just telling you that there NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, every move is different, whether it be just a minor hitbox change or small animation difference, hitbox changes can change the move completely [[File:PoultrysigSSB4.png|20x50px]][[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]][[File:PoultrysigSSBM.png|20x50px]]''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' the Team Liquid 20:54, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
:You are missing the entire point dude. I never said that clone moves are exactly the same. It's just the some differences warrant separate pages and others don't. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 20:56, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
::When it says "significant" up there it means "enough to warrant a separate page due to the overall differentiation and amount of content written / able to be written on the move's SW page." Not declaring minor-yet game-changing differences to be not game-changing differences. I didn't really say that, and thought that due to the topic at hand people would get it, but I guess not, so I guess this misunderstanding is on me. Sorry for getting mad at you. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 21:05, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
After reading all the points listed here and reviewing each potential candidate for a merge or split, I move that we '''Leave as is'''. Additionally, I agree with Miles: move properties should be mostly irrelevant in the splitting/merging of a special move page. If the name of the move is different, the moves should have their own pages. The only exception I can think of to this rule is Dr. Mario, but that should be a given. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 21:37, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
:Can you elaborate though on why you think that is how it should be? I will admit that it is nice to have cloned moves with the same name on the same page. And, what would you think about Super Sheet, Silver Bow, Wolf's Blaster, Electroshock Arm, and Fire Arrow? [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 22:14, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
::All could get pages except for Wolf's blaster because it's still called "Blaster". <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 22:42, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
:::Ok, that makes sense with your stance. But can you give a reason for your stance though? [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 22:52, 16 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
::::I take by your silence that you don't have an answer. Which is fine, I guess, but I was curious. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 17:50, 17 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
:::::No my silence meant that I didn't notice that you replied. Reason is: To merge all special move pages within a certain criteria is to create unnecessary clutter on some pages. On the flipside, to split all pages within the criteria is to create many pages with near-identical information. That is why I say that having a criteria list for this stuff is illogical, it has to be a case by case thing. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 17:55, 17 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
::::::Ok, I understand. I made the criteria mostly in a way that mostly reflects how things are right now. I get that it's flawed in the "significance" part which is where things get a little blurred. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 18:00, 17 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
::::::The case-by-case basis presented by this criteria is, is there enough, in an intuitive sense, enough feasible information written or to be written about this differentiated move. I just wrote this to at least give SOME form of structure. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 18:04, 17 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
Bump (yes, I've been following this). <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 12:04, 19 April 2016 (EDT) | |||