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 I now '''Support'''... Only because ganonmew mentioned me. (Actually, this is a great idea!) [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 14:40, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+:Uh... [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: black;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: orange;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 15:52, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
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 #:Point made. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 15:14, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
 #::Yeah, I figured. Just thought I'd summarize for the formal discussion. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: blue">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] Let's go Mets! ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span> [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 15:18, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+# '''Very strong support''' per everything everyone and I have said so far. However with Toomai having shut down two of the sockpuppet vandals, my support is '''weaker''' than before, though my point still stands. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: black;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: orange;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 16:13, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+#: So, just support? [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: blue">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] Let's go Mets! ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span> [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 16:22, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+#::I...don't...know. Considering it was '''very strong support''', my best bet is a shift to just '''strong support.''' [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: black;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: orange;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 16:29, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+#:Shifting back to '''very strong support'''. We've had a noteworthy amount of editwarriors and trolls around lately. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 15:36, 6 November 2015 (EST)
+#'''Strong Support''' As everyone else has said. Also I made the initial drafts of this so why wouldn't I support this. [[User:DekZek|<font color="Black">'''DekZek, '''</font><font color="Orange">'''The creature of your nightmares'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig-Oct.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 17:11, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+#'''Support''' There's people such as myself who want to deal with vandals quickly, but can only do so much with rollback. This would be the way for those people to be able to have what they need. (Now, I could just be paraphrasing this in my own little way, but still.) [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 11:10, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 ===Oppose===
 # I '''Oppose'''. It just doesn't seem like we need to bring back an idea we've dropped twice already. I agree with Miles that it is too close to being an actual admin. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 15:08, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+#:I intentionally lowered their powers to the point where just about all they can do is revert vandalism. Their only 3 advantages over Rollback are deleting pages with small histories (yes, that restriction can be implemented), protecting pages (which they can't edit when fully protected), and suspending users (not same as block, read article). [[User:DekZek|<font color="Black">'''DekZek, '''</font><font color="Orange">'''The creature of your nightmares'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig-Oct.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 17:11, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+# '''Oppose''', see above. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:40, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+# '''Oppose''' for the same reasons as Miles. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Purple; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px purple">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px orange">'''Flare'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Black;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px black">(talk)</span>]]'' 15:43, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+#'''Oppose''' I honestly don't see why it would be necessary. It's just another group of users to never be online when we need them. <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:Nutta Butta|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small>  16:39, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+#'''Oppose''' Unproper group honestly. Already opposed second version. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Falcon 12:46, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
+#'''Oppose''' [[SmashWiki talk:Junior administrators (version 2)|"I strongly feel that jrs should not have any form of the block tool."]] The suggested ability of "suspend"ing users is identical in all but name. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Inconceivable 22:58, 4 November 2015 (EST)
+#'''Oppose'''. I agree with Miles about this. [[File:PikachuMS.png|20px]] [[User:ThePikaPlayer|<span style="color: gold;">'''Pika,'''</span>]] [[User Talk:ThePikaPlayer|<span style="color: brown;">'''Wild Turkey Appeared!'''</span>]] 15:49, 10 November 2015 (EST)
 ===Neutral===
+#Until we can establish two things, I can't make a judgement call. 1) What would the RfJA be, 2) Can this actually be put in place? <font face="Agency FB">Score[[Special:Contributions/ScoreCounter|C]]o[[User:ScoreCounter|u]]n[[User Talk:ScoreCounter|t]]er</font> 17:09, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+#:It would be a bit like a RfA, but I havent finalized the idea in my mind yet. 2) Yes, Most of the restrictions are enforceable by the Mediawiki CSS. Does that answer your questions? [[User:DekZek|<font color="Black">'''DekZek, '''</font><font color="Orange">'''The creature of your nightmares'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig-Oct.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 17:14, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+#::We'll have to wait and see. I'm really unsure. Eh, I'm a hard guy to pursuade, either way. <font face="Agency FB">Score[[Special:Contributions/ScoreCounter|C]]o[[User:ScoreCounter|u]]n[[User Talk:ScoreCounter|t]]er</font> 17:31, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
+#'''Neutral leaning towards Support''' I found out that a lot of the recent RfAs were from people who just want to combat vandalism. Most of them don't even know how to handle editing disputes. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is bad for me  22:27, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
+#:For the record (if my RfA can be called recent anymore...) I have made an honest and significant effort to better/prove my dispute handling skills. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 22:34, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
+#::I meant most of them (myself included), not all of them. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is made in America  22:36, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
+#'''Neutral''' for now: I'm not fully sure about this proposal, so have some thoughts.<br />If I'm not mistaken, this policy's goal is giving more users a more effective way to deal with vandals, since right now non-admins can only undo, rollback and mark for deletion, and therefore have no way to actually stop an ongoing vandal attack.<br />The main issue is the low power gap between this and full adminship; therefore, in order to widen said gap, let's see how actually useful would the powers proposed by this policy be.<br />- '''restore''': completely unneeded, as regular users cannot delete pages and previous versions of files are kept.<br />- '''delete''': not fully needed since pages can be simply blanked and possibly marked for deletion and deleted by an admin later. This means more janitorial work for full admins but is relevant to widen the power gap. I don't see spam pages and files causing actual problems by merely existing, unless they contain illegal material. A truly dedicated vandal could also edit a page more than six times to give it a big history and bypass this. The one use I could see for this is '''undoing malicious moves''' (is there another way?).<br />- '''lock''': relevant for stopping vandals, but could also be used to stop edit warring which (as I understand this policy) might lie outside the scope of this position. This too could be time-restricted.<br />- '''suspend''': definitely the most relevant of all; its proposed implementation seems fine but I wonder if six hours is enough to guarantee an admin's presence for a check.<br />Overall this kind of position seems a nice way to help holding back vandals. The "another group of users to never be online" criticism would not hold if the group were large enough and its users were decently distributed along time zones. Which of course is also true for full admins, which leads to Miles's criticism.<br />Hope this helps. -[[User:Menshay|Menshay]] ([[User talk:Menshay|talk]]) 12:53, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
+#:Oops. Restoring was a leftover from when I copied from the two failed drafts. Let me fix it now... [[User:DekZek|<font color="Black">'''DekZek, '''</font><font color="Orange">'''The creature of your nightmares'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig-Oct.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 13:14, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
+===Comments===
+Bump. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: blue">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] Let's go Mets! ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span> [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 20:33, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
+:I've never understood when people say this, it just looks like spam. Also @DekZek, will it be Toomaj deciding or Porplemontage deciding. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: black;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: orange;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 20:40, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
+::Bumping is like a revival of an old conversation. It sort of reminds users that this discussion exists. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 20:45, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
+:::Oh. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: black;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: orange;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 20:46, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
+::::Ganonmew, Toomai is normally the one that checks this stuff. Because of the new usergroup suspended, though, Porplemontage might need to also help with the CSS implementation. [[User:DekZek|<font color="Black">'''DekZek, '''</font><font color="Orange">'''The creature of your nightmares'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig-Oct.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 21:56, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
+:::::Everything doesn't need to be CSS code. (Like HTML, Or Javascript... For example) [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 13:24, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
+Bump 2. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 20:51, 4 November 2015 (EST)
+At this point, consensus seems split at best and leaning towards oppose at worst. Unless anyone has any other opinions, I think we may have to reject this policy soon. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 17:16, 10 November 2015 (EST)