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== Orange Pit? == | == Orange Pit? == | ||
I see a mention of an orange palette for Pit. I'm just wondering when and where this was shown? It wasn't at E3 and I don't remember seeing it in a POTD.--[[User:Raph the Great|Raph the Great]] ([[User talk:Raph the Great|talk]]) 02:38, 29 June 2014 (EDT) | I see a mention of an orange palette for Pit. I'm just wondering when and where this was shown? It wasn't at E3 and I don't remember seeing it in a POTD.--[[User:Raph the Great|Raph the Great]] ([[User talk:Raph the Great|talk]]) 02:38, 29 June 2014 (EDT) | ||
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http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2k2jis/smash_alts_origins_v7_pokemon/clhaz1a | http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2k2jis/smash_alts_origins_v7_pokemon/clhaz1a | ||
** Particular note on the Mario page http://furballcan.tumblr.com/post/98874751769/mario-palette-swap-breakdown for the green color. It comes from wrecking crew's box art instead of being "not luigi" | ** Particular note on the Mario page http://furballcan.tumblr.com/post/98874751769/mario-palette-swap-breakdown for the green color. It comes from wrecking crew's box art instead of being "not luigi" <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Allsalts|Allsalts]] ([[User talk:Allsalts|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Allsalts|contribs]]) 12:02, 26 October 2014 (EDT)</small> | ||
== Takamaru == | == Takamaru == | ||
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:--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>, 16:23, 27 October 2014 (EDT) | :--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>, 16:23, 27 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
::But it does resemble Takamaru, it may not look ''exactly'' like Takamaru, but it resembles him nonetheless. In fact, I actually don't see that as white mage, (and I am a fan of Final Fantasy) so it might as well be mentioned. [[Special:Contributions/75.141.44.196|75.141.44.196]] 13:58, 29 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Reading too much into it: ZSS/Sheik/Palutena/Lucario == | == Reading too much into it: ZSS/Sheik/Palutena/Lucario == | ||
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I feel like Brown Ike, Black Peach, and Cyan Pit are probably based off of other characters/iterations as well, but heck if I know who. I'll look into it a bit more. [[User:Banryu|Banryu]] ([[User talk:Banryu|talk]]) 13:38, 28 October 2014 (EDT) | I feel like Brown Ike, Black Peach, and Cyan Pit are probably based off of other characters/iterations as well, but heck if I know who. I'll look into it a bit more. [[User:Banryu|Banryu]] ([[User talk:Banryu|talk]]) 13:38, 28 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
:For some things, like an instance of a character appearing as that color or a fairly clear analogue we can use "Resembles" instead of "Based on" but other stuff like Sheik being Saria is just wrong to me. It's just Green Sheik. Palutena's Black costume isnt hades, nor is Dark Pit's. | |||
:Lucario I would say is Riolu just because yes they have the same palette but Riolu is sometimes depicted as a lighter blue and doesnt have the yellow mid section. That's a case of "Resembles" rather than "Based on" | |||
:Speaking of. Lucario's dark blue looks almost identical to his anime/mega designs. Why are those banned on the page while say Greninja's purple arent. And why is it okay for Greninja's pink to be Lickiliki but not Charizards white to be Aerodactyl? [[User:Allsalts|Allsalts]] ([[User talk:Allsalts|talk]]) 23:07, 28 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Lucario's [[Palette swap (SSBB)#Lucario|Brawl palette swaps]] had one more closer to Riolu. The one we have now is farther away from that distinction. | |||
::As for Greninja, the pink is based off of Licklicky (or whatever the hell it is) because both have similarities. Tongues and pink color. Saying Charizard's white one is based off of [[bulbapedia:Aerodactyl (Pokémon)|Aerodactyl]] is a bit of a stretch. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 23:18, 28 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::: Lickilicky has a pink body, lighter pink tongue, and yellow accents. Just like Greninja's swap. cool. Aerodactly has a whitish gray body and dull purple wings just like Charizard's swap. No go. How is that more of a stretch? I don't understand the distinction you're making. Especially considering Aero's X and Y sprite, its most recent iteration: http://www.psypokes.com/dex/psydex/142/picdex [[User:Allsalts|Allsalts]] ([[User talk:Allsalts|talk]]) 03:24, 29 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::In Generations 4 and 5, Aerodactyl's body is more grey than white. That's probably what I was thinking of. Looking at that, I say go ahead and add it. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 07:09, 29 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::Also, how does Charizard's blue coloration resemble Golbat. Sure, the color might be similar, but the rest has no resemblance. Plus, we still have no mention of Aerodactyl yet, and Palutena's blue only resembles Pandora in that they're both blue. Other than that, no similarities. Also, I see Zelda's pink sprite as resembling her Ocarina of Time color scheme, but no mention of that. But why in the world does Greninja's purple color say that it resembles its Shiny colors, when in fact, it doesn't resemble it in any way. This page needs some work to be done. [[Special:Contributions/75.141.44.196|75.141.44.196]] 14:11, 29 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::: Golbat is blue with purple wings. We all know Charizard doesn't actually look like a Golbat. The reasoning on Zelda's pink swap is that its the only one that gives her a blue trim on the embroiderers on the bottom of her dress. The only Zelda's who have blue on the bottom of their dresses are ALttP and ALBW. All others tend to have purple, red, or dull grey gold trims. I'll put in the Aerodactly update. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Allsalts|Allsalts]] ([[User talk:Allsalts|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Allsalts|contribs]]) 21:57, 29 October 2014 (EDT)</small> | |||
==Pikachu's Section== | |||
Isn't this section a bit hard to get around? For example, the "White" palette swap has a reddish Pikachu with a white bandana having blue stripes and a red dot. Couldn't we rename some of the colors or something like that so the pictures and words could relate easier? [[User:SmashBros|SmashBros]] ([[User talk:SmashBros|talk]]) 15:46, 28 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I would '''agree''' renaming the less obvious ones (especially Pikachu's), but not the more obvious ones where you can tell "yep, blue." <font face="AmericanTypewriter">[[User: Rtzxy|<span style="color:darkorange;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:SmashSig.jpeg]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:blue;">Smashing!</span>]]</font> 15:50, 28 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::It took much time and effort to generate the existing simple, unique colour names to each costume for every character. If you want them changed, you'll have to make a fully-fleshed suggestion set, not just a "can we change this". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Irrepressible 17:45, 28 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::How would I do that? [[User:SmashBros|SmashBros]] ([[User talk:SmashBros|talk]]) 11:50, 29 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::Post here with what you think each of Pikachu's costumes should be named. As with all other characters, try to keep names to one-word simple colours (red, blue, white), move to more complex colours if necessary (chartreuse, lavender), and only move to non-colours if there's no alternative (see Jigglypuff and Shulk). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Labbie 12:17, 29 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Find Mii/StreetPass Quest == | |||
The stage [[Find Mii|Find Mii/StreetPass Quest]] has a mechanic where the [[Dark Emperor]] powers up all characters wearing a particular color at once. Preliminary testing has shown that the color of the costume matters. I assume this is based on the 12 colors you can pick for your Mii (Black, Brown, Light Blue, Blue, Light Green, Green, Pink, Red, Orange, Purple, White, Yellow), like in the game Find Mii/StreetPass Quest. Since this is relevant to costumes, I think it should be listed here. I'm not exactly sure how it should be, but my first thought is to title the colors as whatever Find Mii/StreetPass Quest classifies them as, then add any other necessary note in parentheses after it to distinguish from other costumes from the same character. Of course, it's going to be tricky to start adding this before all of the color groups are established. Note that the game never actually states the color, so it's necessary to pick obvious characters and use them as reference points (Kirby and Yoshi are particularly good for this). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:01, 29 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Interesting - this would be similar how Brawl's tournament mode uses twelve colours to denote costume (though Brawl has grey instead of a second green). If that's the case, we may be able to wait until the Wii U version comes out - if its tournament mode does the same thing as Brawl's does, we can start by assuming that "tournament mode colour" and "Dark Emperor magic colour" are the same, until a piece of evidence shows up proving otherwise. If the Brawl palette swap page is any indication though, we'll carry on naming costumes with colours that make sense, as opposed to just sticking with what they display, and just noting the game-decided colours in the image and/or text. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 14:32, 29 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Hmm, if tournament mode could do that, that would be useful. The reason I thought naming them with the colors from Find Mii/StreetPass Quest would be advantageous is that it would remove the subjectivity (although the parenthetical notes would still be subjective). On your note about the Brawl page though, it doesn't seem to note the tournament mode colors at all, so I'm not sure that that's a fair comparison. I don't really feel that strongly about displaying it in the way I suggested though. Also, I have now realized that you could easily use actual Miis to compare colors against, which each fall into known color groups. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 15:08, 29 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::The images on the Melee and Brawl pages have coloured bars beneath each option that show its tournament mode colour. It is true that subjectivity is bad, but I'd argue that confusion is worse - Brawl says that Peach's Daisy costume is "orange" (obviously yellow) while Ike's and Snake's defaults are "light blue/cyan" (nonsensical). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Dispenser 15:13, 29 October 2014 (EDT) | |||