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==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''== | ==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''== | ||
Cloud was previously considered to be one of the best characters in ''SSB4'', | Cloud was previously considered to be one of the best characters in ''SSB4'' and widely considered the second best character, after {{SSB4|Bayonetta}}, due to a myriad of advantages, including deceptively lingering hitboxes, excellent speed-to-range ratio (with very quick mobility, surprising frame data and very generous [[autocancel]] windows), and a powerful advantage in the form of his [[Limit Gauge]], which further boosted his mobility, allowing him to force [[approach]]es and also pose a constant threat due to his unique Limit Break [[special attack]]s. All these factors shined brighter in [[doubles]] play, where teams containing at least one Cloud were notorious within the community for their prominence and disproportionate effectiveness (statistically, Cloud in doubles [https://intheloop837.wordpress.com/2018/04/09/data-cloud-in-doubles-an-analysis/ held more dominance] than even {{SSBB|Meta Knight}} in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]]'' singles). Likely as a result of his dominance, Cloud was initially [[nerf]]ed noticeably in his transition to ''Ultimate'', though he did remain a potent character, and changes from game updates, the revamped gameplay physics, and general optimizations in the metagame have proven very benefitial to him. In bulk, Cloud has been moderately nerfed overall. | ||
Cloud | Cloud's nerfs have primarily addressed his most powerful moves and traits. [[Limit Charge]] can no longer be [[charge-cancel|instant charge-canceled]] since it incurs 7 frames of lag when canceling a charge, will have its charge neutralized if Cloud is hit during the process of charging, and [[Limit (status)|Limit]]'s mobility and special move buffs now end on their own after 15 seconds if none of his Limit Break special moves are used. These changes result in Cloud's Limit mechanic no longer being able to be kept for [[mindgame]]s or a lasting stat boost, and forces him to be more cautious of both charging and activating it, vastly reducing the sheer game changing abilities it once had in the previous game. | ||
Disregarding the changes to landing lag, Cloud's infamous aerial game has also been toned down. [[Neutral aerial]] has a new animation that significantly reduces its range, making it less safe and effective for spacing. [[Down aerial]]'s lingering hitbox ends earlier and has more ending lag, making it much harder to follow up in midair and riskier to use to combat juggling. His notorious [[up aerial]] has seen the most substantial nerfs: its increased startup with no animation change significantly reduces its range in front of him, the clean hit has smaller hitboxes, and the whole move has less power and a lowered autocancel window; these changes almost completely remove its ability to start combos on grounded opponents, and reduce its incontestability as well as its previously respectable KO power. | |||
Cloud's | Cloud's already poor grab game was also hindered even further; despite his faster pummel and his slower animations now matching his grabs' startup, down throw has lost its already lacking combo potential, and the universal nerfs to grabs have slightly reduced dash grab's alraedy lackluster range and made his own grabs slower and laggier, especially compared to the rest of the cast. Finally, other minor nerfs were to his smash attacks, as [[forward smash]] has slightly more ending lag and has less range, and [[down smash]]'s power was reduced. | ||
Despite these changes, the changes to game physics have dramatically beneffited Cloud. The reductions to [[landing lag]] benefit Cloud arguably more than any other character, as his aerials' lower landing lag now give him a more conventional combo game since he can follow up from them more consistently (most notably with his forward, back and up aerials, the latter despite its stricter autocancel window), and combined with his Buster Sword's respectable range and excellent mobility, this also drastically benefits his spacing game (most infamously with his [[back aerial]], now widely considered the best in the game). On that note, much like the returning cast, Cloud now sports even faster mobility, making him harder to catch and easier for him to keep up with the cast. The changes to [[air dodge]] mechanics improve his edgeguarding game and keep his juggling prowess mostly intact despite his other nerfs, and the reintroduction of directional air dodges allow him to extend his notoriously weak horizontal recovery when his Limit Meter is not fully charged, and now make him much harder to gimp if he is grabbed during Climhazzard. The ability to [[dash-canceling|dash cancel]] into any ground move and the introduction of [[spot dodge]] canceling both allow Cloud to make even better use of his ground attacks to approach and KO, making his ground game more imposing. | |||
Cloud has also received a fair share of [[buff]]s to his less impressive moves. [[Dash attack]] and [[up smash]] are now much more reliable KO options thanks to their increased knockback. His special moves have also been given some noteworthy improvements without the need for Limit. [[Blade Beam]] has ending lag, making it less punishable and giving Cloud a semi-reliable camping tool. [[Climhazzard]] has much lower landing lag and transitions quicker, now making it one of the most reliable and infamous [[out of shield]] options in the game; it can also be teched at the end of the move, snaps to ledge faster when using the downward slash, and KOs more consistently if used offstage due to the changes to [[meteor smash]]es, making it more consistent for [[sacrificial KO]]s. [[Limit Charge]] now allows Cloud to jump or [[air dodge]] out of it, charges significantly faster when he inflicts damage, and is now displayed above his [[damage meter]]. | |||
While Limit has seen detriments to its duration, it has also seen some improvements: his Limit Gauge fills faster via inflicting damage and especially via Limit Charge, allowing Cloud to use his Limit Break special moves much more frequently than in ''SSB4''. Lastly, [[Finishing Touch]] is an even more potent KO move: it has less startup, noticeably more knockback, and its grounded version's late hit had its vertical range increased to the point that it can hit opponents on the bottom platforms of [[Battlefield form]] stages. | |||
Overall, Cloud's nerfs have toned down his most oppressive factor and further defined his weaknesses. Limit's temporary duration now forces Cloud to approach more and optimize its usage, and his further weakened grab game and powerful tools now necessitate him to play even more aggressively than ever before. He also still retains his very exploitable recovery, which has seen no substantial improvements, as his faster air mobility doesn't compensate for this. However, his buffs to his other tools and the huge shifts to the engine have benefitted his aggressive options, as his damage-racking game is mostly intact thanks to his improved combo game, and he can now Limit space his moves with more liberty while being ironically harder to punish him, as well as KO more easily without the need to rely on Limit; many of these buffs have also been granted to him through game updates. As a result, Cloud remains a fundamentally solid character with a relatively low learning curve and effective tools, and while he is not as overpowered and performs worse than in ''SSB4'', he's still considered to be a very strong character in ''Ultimate'', especially in competitive play. | |||
{{SSB4 to SSBU changelist|char=Cloud}} | {{SSB4 to SSBU changelist|char=Cloud}} | ||
==Update history== | ==Update history== | ||
Aside from a single nerf to [[Blade Beam]] in update 3.0.0, Cloud was buffed via game updates. While updates 2.0.0 and 3.1.0 provided only negligible improvements, update 7.0.0 buffed Cloud much more in comparison. Most notably, his inconsistent KO potential (one of his biggest weaknesses) was alleviated in a few ways: clean dash attack became a viable KOing option thanks to its higher knockback, up smash is faster overall and its sweetspot gained more knockback, and [[Limit Charge]] fills the Limit Gauge much faster. | Aside from a single nerf to [[Blade Beam]] in update 3.0.0, Cloud was buffed via game updates. While updates 2.0.0 and 3.1.0 provided only negligible improvements, update 7.0.0 buffed Cloud much more in comparison. Most notably, his inconsistent KO potential (one of his biggest weaknesses) was alleviated in a few ways: clean dash attack became a viable KOing option thanks to its higher knockback, up smash is faster overall and its sweetspot gained more knockback, and [[Limit Charge]] fills the Limit Gauge much faster. In addition, Cloud received a few quality of life buffs: forward smash's hits connect more reliably, [[Climhazzard]] snaps to an edge earlier, and his shield was enlarged as part of a near-universal buff. | ||
Lastly, update 13.0.1 decreased [[Finishing Touch]]'s overall lag to the point that it is not only safer to use, but also much easier to perform from setups at certain percentages. | |||
Overall, Cloud fares better than he did at the launch of ''Ultimate''. | Overall, Cloud fares better than he did at the launch of ''Ultimate''. | ||
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Cloud's reputation started to improve around the summer of 2019 thanks to the efforts of players such as {{Sm|Kola}} and {{Sm|Sparg0}}, both of whom managed to see consistent national-level success and wins, as well as Cloud's noteworthy buffs in update 7.0.0 that improved his KO power. This perception continued to improve during the [[COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on competitive Smash|COVID-19 pandemic]] thanks to the efforts of Sparg0, who used both Cloud and the then-newly released {{SSBU|Pyra}} and {{SSBU|Mythra}} to eventually claim the top spot on the [[Wi-Fi Warrior Rank v7]]. When offline competitive play returned, Sparg0 established himself as one of the best players in the world, eventually winning his first major at {{Trn|Smash Ultimate Summit 4}} using mostly Cloud. Since then, most of his tournament performances have been with Cloud, leading many to agree that, while the character was still worse than his ''Smash 4'' counterpart, he was still just as viable in ''Ultimate''{{'}}s metagame. As such, Cloud was ranked 10th on the first tier list as a top tier character. | Cloud's reputation started to improve around the summer of 2019 thanks to the efforts of players such as {{Sm|Kola}} and {{Sm|Sparg0}}, both of whom managed to see consistent national-level success and wins, as well as Cloud's noteworthy buffs in update 7.0.0 that improved his KO power. This perception continued to improve during the [[COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on competitive Smash|COVID-19 pandemic]] thanks to the efforts of Sparg0, who used both Cloud and the then-newly released {{SSBU|Pyra}} and {{SSBU|Mythra}} to eventually claim the top spot on the [[Wi-Fi Warrior Rank v7]]. When offline competitive play returned, Sparg0 established himself as one of the best players in the world, eventually winning his first major at {{Trn|Smash Ultimate Summit 4}} using mostly Cloud. Since then, most of his tournament performances have been with Cloud, leading many to agree that, while the character was still worse than his ''Smash 4'' counterpart, he was still just as viable in ''Ultimate''{{'}}s metagame. As such, Cloud was ranked 10th on the first tier list as a top tier character. | ||
Following the first tier list, players began questioning whether Cloud should really be considered a top tier character. These players pointed out | Following the first tier list, players began questioning whether Cloud should really be considered a top tier character. These players pointed out how no other Cloud players came remotely close to Sparg0 in terms of skill level and results; {{Sm|Barnard's Loop}} noted how Sparg0 took up 50% of all Cloud results in 2023, with only one other player -- {{Sm|YOC}} -- taking up more than 5%.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/LoopBarnard/status/1758548672923504713|title=Cloud's representation in 2023}}</ref> In addition, Sparg0 was the only player ranked on the [[LumiRank 2023]] who primarily played Cloud, while all other players ranked with Cloud only used the character as a secondary and to a lesser degree of success. On the other hand, with the metagame favoring characters with more patient and campier playstyles, players pointed out how Cloud served as a good counter to some of those characters, which was most apparent with Sparg0's flawless record against {{SSBU|Steve}} and {{SSBU|Mr. Game & Watch}} for that year. As such, even with the discourse surrounding Cloud's representation he was ranked 13th on the second tier list as an A-tier, with the drop mainly being the result of the meteoric rise of {{SSBU|Snake}} and Mr. Game & Watch on the tier list. | ||
=={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: A Ride? Not Interested.== | =={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: A Ride? Not Interested.== |