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{{iw|wikipedia|Xander Mobus}}, who voiced Joker in ''Persona 5'' in English as well as the [[announcer]], [[Master Hand]], and [[Crazy Hand]] in ''Ultimate'', reprises his role as the character in the English version of the game, while {{iw|wikipedia|Jun Fukuyama}}, who previously voiced the character in Japanese and also voices {{SSBU|Roy}}, reprises his role in Japanese. Despite [[Arsène]] being voiced by the same respective voice actors in Joker's initial reveal trailer, he remains completely silent during gameplay. | {{iw|wikipedia|Xander Mobus}}, who voiced Joker in ''Persona 5'' in English as well as the [[announcer]], [[Master Hand]], and [[Crazy Hand]] in ''Ultimate'', reprises his role as the character in the English version of the game, while {{iw|wikipedia|Jun Fukuyama}}, who previously voiced the character in Japanese and also voices {{SSBU|Roy}}, reprises his role in Japanese. Despite [[Arsène]] being voiced by the same respective voice actors in Joker's initial reveal trailer, he remains completely silent during gameplay. | ||
Joker is ranked 10th out of 82 on the current [[tier list]], placing him | Joker is ranked 10th out of 82 on the current [[tier list]], placing him at the end of the S- tier and making him the highest ranking character from Fighters Pass Vol. 1. Joker boasts a plethora of amazing strengths, such as his mobility, frame data, safe moves, [[pressure]], and a solid [[combo]] game. Joker has many fast attacks that are core to his archetype as a rushdown fighter. He also has a variety of ways to [[Edgeguarding|edgeguard]] his opponent, with [[back aerial]], down [[Gun / Gun Special|Gun]], [[forward aerial]], [[neutral aerial]], and more. His strengths can be further enhanced after his [[Rebellion Gauge]] has been filled up, as he'll unleash his Persona [[Arsène]]. Arsène buffs nearly all his moves, giving him many [[KO]] options for a short time. His [[Special move|specials]] also get upgraded, improving their ability to rack up [[damage]] and replacing [[Rebel's Guard / Tetrakarn / Makarakarn|Rebel's Guard]] with Tetrakarn and Makarakarn, which serve as a simultaneous [[counter]] and [[Reflection|reflector]]. | ||
Despite all of these pros, Joker has some cons. One of his main weaknesses is that he sometimes struggles to take [[Stock|stocks]] at high percents when he does not have Arsène, making him reliant on edgeguards or raw KO moves. Joker also has mediocre [[out of shield]] options compared to much of the cast. This only limits him to using back aerial, [[grab]], and [[up smash]] if he wants to attack out of shield. While Arsène gives him many strengths, they also provide a few drawbacks. When Joker gets hit in this state, his meter depletes faster. Furthermore, while his [[recovery]] goes further with [[Grappling Hook / Wings of Rebellion|Wings of Rebellion]], it lacks a [[hitbox]] after the [[invincibility]] frames, allowing him to be [[2 frame punish|2 framed]] or edgeguarded. Joker is also quite a difficult character to master since he has to be precise with his combos and his edgeguarding while trying to compensate for these aforementioned weaknesses. | Despite all of these pros, Joker has some cons. One of his main weaknesses is that he sometimes struggles to take [[Stock|stocks]] at high percents when he does not have Arsène, making him reliant on edgeguards or raw KO moves. Joker also has mediocre [[out of shield]] options compared to much of the cast. This only limits him to using back aerial, [[grab]], and [[up smash]] if he wants to attack out of shield. While Arsène gives him many strengths, they also provide a few drawbacks. When Joker gets hit in this state, his meter depletes faster. Furthermore, while his [[recovery]] goes further with [[Grappling Hook / Wings of Rebellion|Wings of Rebellion]], it lacks a [[hitbox]] after the [[invincibility]] frames, allowing him to be [[2 frame punish|2 framed]] or edgeguarded. Joker is also quite a difficult character to master since he has to be precise with his combos and his edgeguarding while trying to compensate for these aforementioned weaknesses. | ||
Joker amassed impressive results | Overall, Joker's strengths outweigh his weaknesses, and he has since become one of the most popular characters in competitive play, having amassed impressive results from players such as {{Sm|MkLeo}} and {{Sm|Zackray}}. Even after MkLeo dropped the character for a few years and Zackray's activity decreased, Joker's representation remained high thanks to the rise of many new players, most notably {{Sm|Tsubaki|p=Shizuoka}}. | ||
==Attributes== | ==Attributes== | ||
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Since the Rebellion Gauge encourages a different kind of playstyle, Joker loses on some of his weaknesses without Arsène (such as a vulnerability to projectile camping), but this creates new weaknesses in return, meaning that if Joker gets Arsène at the wrong time or is unable to capitalize with him, he may either lose his advantage or be at a disadvantage. Wings of Rebellion, despite reliably covering more distance than Grappling Hook, is more exploitable, as the lack of hitbox and vulnerability at the end of the move makes it easy for opponents to intercept Joker before he reaches the ledge; in fact, Joker becomes notoriously prone to getting [[Edge#2 frame punish|2-framed]]. Eigaon, while incredibly powerful and versatile, suffers from 10 more frames of endlag, making it (at times) riskier to use than Eiha. Lastly, despite Arsène's incredible power and strengths, the Rebellion Gauge can be depleted faster if an opponent is able to attack Joker; combined with his aforementioned vulnerability to combos, this can cause Arsène to disappear much faster until the Rebellion Gauge is filled again, removing Joker's advantage as a result. | Since the Rebellion Gauge encourages a different kind of playstyle, Joker loses on some of his weaknesses without Arsène (such as a vulnerability to projectile camping), but this creates new weaknesses in return, meaning that if Joker gets Arsène at the wrong time or is unable to capitalize with him, he may either lose his advantage or be at a disadvantage. Wings of Rebellion, despite reliably covering more distance than Grappling Hook, is more exploitable, as the lack of hitbox and vulnerability at the end of the move makes it easy for opponents to intercept Joker before he reaches the ledge; in fact, Joker becomes notoriously prone to getting [[Edge#2 frame punish|2-framed]]. Eigaon, while incredibly powerful and versatile, suffers from 10 more frames of endlag, making it (at times) riskier to use than Eiha. Lastly, despite Arsène's incredible power and strengths, the Rebellion Gauge can be depleted faster if an opponent is able to attack Joker; combined with his aforementioned vulnerability to combos, this can cause Arsène to disappear much faster until the Rebellion Gauge is filled again, removing Joker's advantage as a result. | ||
Overall, Joker is a character whose playstyle is incredibly dynamic, but as with characters with many playstyles applicable, players should be expected to be able to smartly switch playstyles on the go. Without Arsène, Joker specializes in a hit-and-run, combo-oriented playstyle. Joker is particularly adept at conditioning the opponent to shield and has excellent grab frame data to take advantage of that, so players should be looking for opportunities to go for punishing grab combos whenever possible. He has notably short-range and low power overall on his standard attacks without Arsène available, and can struggle if he's a stock behind the opponent and unable to effectively make use of Arsène. His primary goal in each match is to rack up as much damage as possible through combos and gain an early stock in order to massively widen the gap between him and his opponent. Arsène greatly helps Joker in dealing damage or securing a stock whenever he is out, as he gains several powerful traits that allow him to play more rushdown-oriented when he gains the advantage, without forgoing his excellent mobility. Arsène is also notable for giving Joker an absurdly effective comeback factor, as Joker can quickly close the gap by dealing out extreme damage with Arsène out and can KO early when given the opportunity, such as with an Arsène boosted back air. By actively filling up the Rebellion Gauge by using Rebel's Guard to capitalize on reading an opponent's attack, this can be devastating for the opponent, as it gives Arsène more opportunity to be seen in-game. At the same time, Joker's vulnerability to combos means he will have to make use of his excellent mobility more often than not to avoid being put at a disadvantage. Ultimately, Joker is a character who encourages proactive play, and particularly shines when players are able to make the most of edgeguarding opportunities, maximize their damage through combos and effectively make use of Arsène | Overall, Joker is a character whose playstyle is incredibly dynamic, but as with characters with many playstyles applicable, players should be expected to be able to smartly switch playstyles on the go. Without Arsène, Joker specializes in a hit-and-run, combo-oriented playstyle. Joker is particularly adept at conditioning the opponent to shield and has excellent grab frame data to take advantage of that, so players should be looking for opportunities to go for punishing grab combos whenever possible. He has notably short-range and low power overall on his standard attacks without Arsène available, and can struggle if he's a stock behind the opponent and unable to effectively make use of Arsène. His primary goal in each match is to rack up as much damage as possible through combos and gain an early stock in order to massively widen the gap between him and his opponent. Arsène greatly helps Joker in dealing damage or securing a stock whenever he is out, as he gains several powerful traits that allow him to play more rushdown-oriented when he gains the advantage, without forgoing his excellent mobility. Arsène is also notable for giving Joker an absurdly effective comeback factor, as Joker can quickly close the gap by dealing out extreme damage with Arsène out and can KO early when given the opportunity, such as with an Arsène boosted back air. By actively filling up the Rebellion Gauge by using Rebel's Guard to capitalize on reading an opponent's attack, this can be devastating for the opponent, as it gives Arsène more opportunity to be seen in-game. At the same time, Joker's vulnerability to combos means he will have to make use of his excellent mobility more often than not to avoid being put at a disadvantage. Ultimately, Joker is a character who encourages proactive play, and particularly shines when players are able to make the most of edgeguarding opportunities, maximize their damage through combos and effectively make use of Arsène. | ||
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''See also: [[:Category:Joker players (SSBU)]]'' | ''See also: [[:Category:Joker players (SSBU)]]'' | ||
*{{Sm|Eim|Japan}} - One of the best Joker player in Japan in the early metagame, ranking in the Area 51 on the [[Fall 2019 PGRU]] and | *{{Sm|Eim|Japan}} - One of the best Joker player in Japan in the early metagame, ranking in the Area 51 on the [[Fall 2019 PGRU]] with several strong major placements such as 13th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 11}} and 17th at both {{Trn|Umebura SP 5}} and {{Trn|Umebura SP 7}}. He dropped Joker in favor of {{SSBU|Sheik}} in 2021. | ||
*{{Sm|eMass|Saudi Arabia}} - | *{{Sm|eMass|Saudi Arabia}} - First gained recognition with his run to 5th at {{Trn|Ultimate WANTED 3}} and has since become the best Joker player in Europe and one of the Middle East's best players, especially in 2021 and 2022, most notably winning {{Trn|WANTED S4 C3 - Saint Valentin Edition}} and placing 17th at {{Trn|COLOSSEL 2022}} while ranking 74th on the [[OrionRank Mid-Year 2022]], the only Middle Eastern player ranked in the top 100. Since mid-2022, he has been mostly inactive, occasionally entering events using secondaries. | ||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|Gorioka|Japan}} - Known for playing a variety of characters but primarily plays Joker, and is one of Japan's best Joker players since 2023. His greatest success has been at superregionals, including placing 3rd at {{Trn|Toyota Grand Slum 16}}, 4th at {{Trn|LEADD+2}}, and 9th at {{Trn|KOWLOON 7}}. Although less consistent compared to Tsubaki, Gorioka has also seen success at majors, most notably placing 13th at both {{Trn|UltCore}} and {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 15 "FINAL"}}. | ||
*{{Sm|MkLeo|Mexico}} - The best ''Ultimate'' | *{{Sm|MkLeo|Mexico}} - The best ''Ultimate'' player of all-time, with Joker being one of his most recognizable characters thanks to his dominance with the character from May 2019 to February 2020. Although MkLeo relegated Joker to a rare counterpick in 2021, he returned the character into his roster in 2023 and has stuck with the character since. | ||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|omega|USA}} - The best solo-Joker player in North America especially since 2023, achieving several strong superregional results such as 3rd at {{Trn|Riptide 2023}} and 4th at {{Trn|Santa Paws}}, as well as strong major performances including 13th at {{Trn|Collision 2024}} and 17th at {{Trn|Luminosity Makes BIG Moves 2024}}. | ||
*{{Sm|Tsubaki|Japan|p=Shizuoka}} - The best solo-Joker player in the world in 2023, having placed top 8 at several majors including 3rd at {{Trn|Seibugeki 14}} and 5th at {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 14}}. He is ranked 46th on the [[LumiRank 2023]], the first new Joker player to be ranked in the top 50 | *{{Sm|Tsubaki|Japan|p=Shizuoka}} - The best solo-Joker player in the world in 2023, having placed top 8 at several majors including 3rd at {{Trn|Seibugeki 14}} and 5th at both {{Trn|UltCore}} and {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 14}}. He is ranked 46th on the [[LumiRank 2023]], the first new Joker player to be ranked in the top 50 globally since 2019. | ||
*{{Sm|Zackray|Japan}} - Used a variety of characters over the course of his career, with one of his most notable characters being Joker. He is considered the second-best Joker player of all-time, having used the character to help win several supermajors and majors including {{Trn|The Big House 9}}, {{Trn|Umebura SP 7}} and {{Trn|Kagaribi 6}}. | *{{Sm|Zackray|Japan}} - Used a variety of characters over the course of his career, with one of his most notable characters being Joker. He is considered the second-best Joker player of all-time, having used the character to help win several supermajors and majors including {{Trn|The Big House 9}}, {{Trn|Umebura SP 7}} and {{Trn|Kagaribi 6}}. | ||
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On the other hand, some argue that Joker's success largely relies on MkLeo's skill as a player, which allows him to push the character extremely far, as no players outside of Zackray have even come close to his achievements. This argument was tested following the online metagame, as MkLeo relegated the character to a rare counterpick while Zackray went on a hiatus at the start of 2022. Although there was a notable decline in Joker's representation at a top level, this decline was ultimately negligent as other players such as {{Sm|naitosharp}} and {{Sm|eMass}} continued to see strong placements with the character, which kept Joker's representation in or around the top 10. Due to this, as well as Zackray's return and MkLeo slowly bringing Joker back into his main line-up, opinions on the character remained strong, and Joker was ranked 3rd on the first tier list, where he ranks in the S+ tier alongside {{SSBU|Steve}} and [[Pyra (SSBU)|the]] [[Mythra (SSBU)|Aegis]]. | On the other hand, some argue that Joker's success largely relies on MkLeo's skill as a player, which allows him to push the character extremely far, as no players outside of Zackray have even come close to his achievements. This argument was tested following the online metagame, as MkLeo relegated the character to a rare counterpick while Zackray went on a hiatus at the start of 2022. Although there was a notable decline in Joker's representation at a top level, this decline was ultimately negligent as other players such as {{Sm|naitosharp}} and {{Sm|eMass}} continued to see strong placements with the character, which kept Joker's representation in or around the top 10. Due to this, as well as Zackray's return and MkLeo slowly bringing Joker back into his main line-up, opinions on the character remained strong, and Joker was ranked 3rd on the first tier list, where he ranks in the S+ tier alongside {{SSBU|Steve}} and [[Pyra (SSBU)|the]] [[Mythra (SSBU)|Aegis]]. | ||
Unfortunately, Joker's precise playstyle meant that the character was harder to maintain compared to many other top tier characters. As such 2023 marked a noticeable downturn for Joker at the top level: MkLeo's Joker performed worse than it did due to MkLeo's lower motivation and character crisis, while Zackray chose to play [[Pit (SSBU)|the]] [[Dark Pit (SSBU)|Pits]] over Joker. Although other Joker players such as {{Sm|omega}} and {{Sm|Tsubaki|p=Shizuoka}} were able to perform well during this time, their performances were unable to match MkLeo and Zackray's best results with the character. As such, opinions on Joker have since mellowed out, and he dropped on the following tier list to 10th, | Unfortunately, Joker's precise playstyle meant that the character was harder to maintain compared to many other top tier characters. As such 2023 marked a noticeable downturn for Joker at the top level: MkLeo's Joker performed worse than it did due to MkLeo's lower motivation and character crisis, while Zackray chose to play [[Pit (SSBU)|the]] [[Dark Pit (SSBU)|Pits]] over Joker. Although other Joker players such as {{Sm|omega}} and {{Sm|Tsubaki|p=Shizuoka}} were able to perform well during this time, their performances were unable to match MkLeo and Zackray's best results with the character. As such, opinions on Joker have since mellowed out, and he dropped on the following tier list to 10th, now ranking in the S- tier. | ||
=={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Shadows== | =={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Shadows== | ||
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Joker's model.png|A tease of Joker's model from the February 13th, 2019 [[Nintendo Direct]]. | Joker's model.png|A tease of Joker's model from the February 13th, 2019 [[Nintendo Direct]]. | ||
Joker In-Game Model.png|A view of Joker's in-game model from behind. | Joker In-Game Model.png|A view of Joker's in-game model from behind. | ||
JokerBestBuyLeak.png|The ad that [[leak]]ed | JokerBestBuyLeak.png|The ad that [[leak]]ed Joker's artwork. | ||
Joker Steals the Show.png|Joker's splash art. | Joker Steals the Show.png|Joker's splash art. | ||
Joker amiibo.png|Joker's | Joker amiibo.png|Joker's [[amiibo]]. | ||
Joker unlock notice SSBU.jpg|Joker's unlock notice after downloading him from the [[Nintendo eShop]]. | Joker unlock notice SSBU.jpg|Joker's unlock notice after downloading him from the [[Nintendo eShop]]. | ||
Jokercutin.png|Joker's Cut-in when Arsène is summoned. | Jokercutin.png|Joker's Cut-in when [[Arsène]] is summoned. | ||
SSBUWebsiteJoker1.jpg|Joker on [[Fourside]]. | SSBUWebsiteJoker1.jpg|Joker on [[Fourside]]. | ||
SSBUWebsiteJoker2.jpg|Joker wielding his gun on [[Moray Towers]]. | SSBUWebsiteJoker2.jpg|Joker wielding his gun on [[Moray Towers]]. | ||
SSBUWebsiteJoker3.jpg|Joker attacking with | SSBUWebsiteJoker3.jpg|Joker attacking with Arsène on [[Mementos]]. | ||
SSBUWebsiteJoker4.jpg|Joker with [[Morgana]] on [[Skyloft]]. | SSBUWebsiteJoker4.jpg|Joker with [[Morgana]] on [[Skyloft]]. | ||
SSBUWebsiteJoker5.jpg|Joker posing with Arsène on [[Spear Pillar]]. | SSBUWebsiteJoker5.jpg|Joker posing with Arsène on [[Spear Pillar]]. | ||
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*Joker technically has the most victory screens of any fighter, having 30,397,354 victory screens in total. The reason for this is based on the [[All-Out Attack]] that is used for each character (when KOing the opponents at 100%) having their own animations of when they get KO'd from it, which results in a victory screen. | *Joker technically has the most victory screens of any fighter, having 30,397,354 victory screens in total. The reason for this is based on the [[All-Out Attack]] that is used for each character (when KOing the opponents at 100%) having their own animations of when they get KO'd from it, which results in a victory screen. | ||
*Despite having his civilian/student appearance appear as his alternate costume and the fact that he is being given a default civilian name (Ren Amamiya) since the anime and most future media appearances like ''Smash'' (as described in his [https://store.nintendo.co.uk/en/joker-no83-amiibo-super-smash-bros-collection-000000000010004482 amiibo description]), the costume does not use the name of "Ren" and continues to be referred to as "Joker". | *Despite having his civilian/student appearance appear as his alternate costume and the fact that he is being given a default civilian name (Ren Amamiya) since the anime and most future media appearances like ''Smash'' (as described in his [https://store.nintendo.co.uk/en/joker-no83-amiibo-super-smash-bros-collection-000000000010004482 amiibo description]), the costume does not use the name of "Ren" and continues to be referred to as "Joker". | ||
*Joker, {{SSBU|Meta Knight}}, {{SSBU|Inkling}}, {{SSBU|Hero}}, {{SSBU|Banjo & Kazooie}}, {{SSBU|Sephiroth}}, {{SSBU|Pyra}}, {{SSBU|Mythra}}, and {{SSBU|Sora}} are the only fighters who use their walking animations when navigating through the map in [[World of Light]]. | |||
==References== | ==References== | ||