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 ==In [[competitive play]]==
+===Tier placement, history and bans in double tournaments===
+Since his release, players saw Cloud as a high-tier character, thanks to his incredible combination of range, mobility, power, and Limit Break mechanic; the latter in particular was highly valued for its ability to not only grant his special moves KO potential disproportionate for and beyond his weight class, but also make them fast and safe, especially Cross Slash. This positive outlook on Cloud was even more apparent in doubles play, where he can greatly benefit from having a teammate to alleviate his weak recovery and helping to land his Limit Break specials as the finisher to team combos, while Cloud himself can provide stage control and wall out his opponents for his teammate. Following his release, he started seeing strong results thanks to professionals such as {{Sm|komorikiri}}, {{Sm|Mew2King}} and {{Sm|Tweek}}, which led him to be ranked 12th on the first ''4BR'' [[tier list]], placing him at the middle of the B tier, confirming his high-tier status.
+With the release of {{SSB4|Corrin}} and {{SSB4|Bayonetta}}, the subsequent nerfs to them and other top-tier characters, and various advancements to his metagame, Cloud became a very popular character in tournaments. His own nerfs did not seriously hinder him, and he remained a fundamentally strong character choice for both newer and professional players, the latter of which saw {{Sm|MkLeo}} formally picking him up. This was apparent with him appearing more frequently in the top placings of tournaments in comparison to some top-tier characters like {{SSB4|Sheik}} and {{SSB4|Zero Suit Samus}}, and consistently winning almost every major doubles event at tournaments. As a result of this spike in popularity and success, Cloud was ranked 2nd on the second tier list, placing him in the S tier; his tier rise was tied with {{SSB4|Palutena}}'s for the fifth highest between the first and second tier lists.
+Despite his success, Cloud's placement initially received mixed thoughts from the community, as his rather exploitable weaknesses held him back from consistently achieving top 8 placings in singles for several national tournaments, such as {{Trn|EVO 2017}} (the highest ranking Cloud being komorikiri, who placed 17th) and {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2016}} (the highest ranking solo Cloud being Tweek, who placed 13th). As his metagame progressed, however, Cloud's singles results became considerably more consistent, as players, especially MkLeo, Tweek, and komorikiri, started seeing more top 8 placements at national tournaments. Although Cloud would drop to 3rd place on the third tier list due to the rise of Bayonetta, his continued consistency would see him rise back to 2nd place on the fourth and final tier list.
+At the end of the game's main competitive lifespan, however, many players once again questioned Cloud's tier placement as his results as a solo main weren't as impressive compared to other characters such as {{SSB4|Diddy Kong}}, {{SSB4|Sheik}}, {{SSB4|Zero Suit Samus}}, {{SSB4|Fox}}, and {{SSB4|Rosalina & Luma}}. Furthermore, several top players pointed out that top players were getting better at exploiting the character's poor recovery. Finally, MkLeo and Tweek, two of the best Cloud players in the world, started to use Bayonetta more frequently, leading to a small decline in representation at top level play. Due to all of this, a few players such as {{Sm|Mr.R}} and MkLeo claimed that Cloud is overrated and that he should be ranked slightly lower while other players claim that his polarizing strengths are too strong for him to be ranked any lower.
+=====Banned in Doubles=====
+In doubles, Cloud was considered by many players to be [[broken]] enough to ban, as he was banned at the above tournaments. Thanks to his many advantages, Cloud players consistently won ''Smash 4'' doubles tournaments after his release. This was evident with Cloud [https://intheloop837.wordpress.com/2018/04/09/data-cloud-in-doubles-an-analysis/ being more dominant than Meta Knight in ''Brawl'' singles].
+*{{flag|Canada}} {{Trn|Get On My Level 2018}} (double Cloud only)
+*{{flag|USA}} {{Trn|CEO 2018}} <ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/ceojebailey/status/997598615362301952?s=21|title=Cloud banned at CEO 2018 doubles}}</ref>
+*{{flag|USA}} {{Trn|Smash 'N' Splash 4}}
+*{{flag|USA}} {{Trn|Shine 2018}}
+*{{flag|USA}} {{Trn|DreamHack Atlanta 2018}}
 ===Most historically significant players===
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 *{{Sm|Ralphie|USA}} - Placed 1st at {{Trn|Xanadu - End of an Era}}, 9th at both {{Trn|Collision XV}} and {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2018}}, and 17th at both {{Trn|Smash 'N' Splash 4}} and {{Trn|Smash Sounds}} with wins over players such as {{Sm|Ally}}, {{Sm|Mr. E}}, and {{Sm|Sinji}}. Ranked 7th on the [[New York City Power Rankings]].
 *{{Sm|Tweek|USA}} (#7) - One of the best Cloud players in the world. Placed 1st at {{Trn|2GGC: MkLeo Saga}} and {{Trn|2GG: Hyrule Saga}}, 3rd at both {{Trn|Shots Fired 2}} and {{Trn|Royal Flush}}, and 4th at {{Trn|EVO 2017}}.
-===Tier placement, history and bans in double tournaments===
-Since his release, players saw Cloud as a high-tier character, thanks to his incredible combination of range, mobility, power, and Limit Break mechanic; the latter in particular was highly valued for its ability to not only grant his special moves KO potential disproportionate for and beyond his weight class, but also make them fast and safe, especially Cross Slash. This positive outlook on Cloud was even more apparent in doubles play, where he can greatly benefit from having a teammate to alleviate his weak recovery and helping to land his Limit Break specials as the finisher to team combos, while Cloud himself can provide stage control and wall out his opponents for his teammate. Following his release, he started seeing strong results thanks to professionals such as {{Sm|komorikiri}}, {{Sm|Mew2King}} and {{Sm|Tweek}}, which led him to be ranked 12th on the first ''4BR'' [[tier list]], placing him at the middle of the B tier, confirming his high-tier status.
-With the release of {{SSB4|Corrin}} and {{SSB4|Bayonetta}}, the subsequent nerfs to them and other top-tier characters, and various advancements to his metagame, Cloud became a very popular character in tournaments. His own nerfs did not seriously hinder him, and he remained a fundamentally strong character choice for both newer and professional players, the latter of which saw {{Sm|MkLeo}} formally picking him up. This was apparent with him appearing more frequently in the top placings of tournaments in comparison to some top-tier characters like {{SSB4|Sheik}} and {{SSB4|Zero Suit Samus}}, and consistently winning almost every major doubles event at tournaments. As a result of this spike in popularity and success, Cloud was ranked 2nd on the second tier list, placing him in the S tier; his tier rise was tied with {{SSB4|Palutena}}'s for the fifth highest between the first and second tier lists.
-Despite his success, Cloud's placement initially received mixed thoughts from the community, as his rather exploitable weaknesses held him back from consistently achieving top 8 placings in singles for several national tournaments, such as {{Trn|EVO 2017}} (the highest ranking Cloud being komorikiri, who placed 17th) and {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2016}} (the highest ranking solo Cloud being Tweek, who placed 13th). As his metagame progressed, however, Cloud's singles results became considerably more consistent, as players, especially MkLeo, Tweek, and komorikiri, started seeing more top 8 placements at national tournaments. Although Cloud would drop to 3rd place on the third tier list due to the rise of Bayonetta, his continued consistency would see him rise back to 2nd place on the fourth and current tier list.
-At the end of the game's main competitive lifespan, however, many players once again questioned Cloud's tier placement as his results as a solo main weren't as impressive compared to other characters such as {{SSB4|Diddy Kong}}, {{SSB4|Sheik}}, {{SSB4|Zero Suit Samus}}, {{SSB4|Fox}}, and {{SSB4|Rosalina & Luma}}. Furthermore, several top players pointed out that top players were getting better at exploiting the character's poor recovery. Finally, MkLeo and Tweek, two of the best Cloud players in the world, started to use Bayonetta more frequently, leading to a small decline in representation at top level play. Due to all of this, a few players such as {{Sm|Mr.R}} and MkLeo claimed that Cloud is overrated and that he should be ranked slightly lower while other players claim that his polarizing strengths are too strong for him to be ranked any lower.
-=====Banned in Doubles=====
-*{{flag|Canada}} {{Trn|Get On My Level 2018}} (double Cloud only)
-*{{flag|USA}} {{Trn|CEO 2018}} <ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/ceojebailey/status/997598615362301952?s=21|title=Cloud banned at CEO 2018 doubles}}</ref>
-*{{flag|USA}} {{Trn|Smash 'N' Splash 4}}
-*{{flag|USA}} {{Trn|Shine 2018}}
-*{{flag|USA}} {{Trn|DreamHack Atlanta 2018}}
-In doubles, Cloud was considered by many players to be [[broken]] enough to ban, as he was banned at the above tournaments. Thanks to his many advantages, Cloud players consistently won ''Smash 4'' doubles tournaments after his release. This was evident with Cloud [https://intheloop837.wordpress.com/2018/04/09/data-cloud-in-doubles-an-analysis/ being more dominant than Meta Knight in ''Brawl'' singles].
 ==[[List of Super Smash Bros. 4 character trailers#Cloud|Reveal trailer]]==