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==Images== | ==Images== | ||
As more and more images of Spirits are being uploaded onto SmashWiki, it's probably best if we nip this in the bud as soon as we can. | As more and more images of Spirits are being uploaded onto SmashWiki, it's probably best if we nip this in the bud as soon as we can. | ||
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<gallery> | <gallery> | ||
Charmander.png|''Ultimate'' screenshot | SSBU spirit Charmander.png|''Ultimate'' screenshot | ||
Dream World Charmander.png|Original artwork | Dream World Charmander.png|Original artwork | ||
</gallery> | </gallery> | ||
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I think that there should be a section that shows which spirits can be found in the Adventure Mode: World of Light, and which spirits cannot be obtained there. That way, people who want to get a few spirits before starting World of Light can see which ones aren't found in the adventure mode beforehand. [[Special:Contributions/203.219.10.149|203.219.10.149]] 21:12, 26 December 2018 (EST) | I think that there should be a section that shows which spirits can be found in the Adventure Mode: World of Light, and which spirits cannot be obtained there. That way, people who want to get a few spirits before starting World of Light can see which ones aren't found in the adventure mode beforehand. [[Special:Contributions/203.219.10.149|203.219.10.149]] 21:12, 26 December 2018 (EST) <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:14.200.4.237|14.200.4.237]] ([[User talk:14.200.4.237|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/14.200.4.237|contribs]]) 22:29, December 24, 2018</small> | ||
== Description for spirit characters == | == Description for spirit characters == | ||
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|{{anchor|Metal Mario}}[[File:Metal Mario | |{{anchor|Metal Mario}}[[File:SSBU spirit Metal Mario.png|center|64x64px]] | ||
|[[Metal Mario]] | |[[Metal Mario]] | ||
|''Super Mario 64''<br>(Artwork: ''Mario Kart 7'') | |''Super Mario 64''<br>(Artwork: ''Mario Kart 7'') | ||
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|{{anchor|Cat Princess Peach}}[[File: | |{{anchor|Cat Princess Peach}}[[File:SSBU spirit Cat Princess Peach.png|center|64x64px]] | ||
|Cat Princess [[Peach]] | |Cat Princess [[Peach]] | ||
|''Super Mario 3D World'' | |''Super Mario 3D World'' | ||
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|[[File: | |[[File:SSBU spirit Geno.png|center|64x64px]] | ||
|[[Geno]] | |[[Geno]] | ||
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! style="width:5%;"|Image | ! style="width:5%;"|Image | ||
! Name | ! Name | ||
! Origin | ! Spirit Origin | ||
! Origin Series | ! Artwork Origin | ||
! Series | |||
|- | |- | ||
|1 | |1 | ||
|[[File:Mario | |[[File:SSBU spirit Mario.png|center|64x64px]] | ||
|{{anchor|Mario}}[[Mario]] | |{{anchor|Mario}}[[Mario]] | ||
|''Donkey Kong'' | |''Donkey Kong'' | ||
|''Mario Party 10'' | |||
|''Super Mario Series'' | |''Super Mario Series'' | ||
|- | |- | ||
|2 | |2 | ||
|[[File:Mario | |[[File:SSBU spirit Builder Mario.png|center|64x64px]] | ||
|{{anchor|Builder Mario}}Builder Mario | |{{anchor|Builder Mario}}Builder Mario | ||
|''Super Mario Maker'' | | colspan="2" |''Super Mario Maker'' | ||
|''Super Mario Maker Series'' | |''Super Mario Maker Series'' | ||
|- | |- | ||
|3 | |3 | ||
|[[File:Mario Wedding | |[[File:SSBU spirit Mario (Wedding).png|center|64x64px]] | ||
|{{anchor|Mario (Wedding)}}Mario (Wedding) | |{{anchor|Mario (Wedding)}}Mario (Wedding) | ||
|''Super Mario Odyssey'' | | colspan="2" |''Super Mario Odyssey'' | ||
|rowspan="5" |''Super Mario Series'' | | rowspan="5" |''Super Mario Series'' | ||
|- | |- | ||
|4 | |4 | ||
|[[File:Luigi | |[[File:SSBU spirit Luigi.png|center|64x64px]] | ||
|{{anchor|Luigi}}[[Luigi]] | |{{anchor|Luigi}}[[Luigi]] | ||
|''Mario Bros.'' | |''Mario Bros.'' | ||
|''Mario Party 8'' | |||
|- | |- | ||
|5 | |5 | ||
|[[File:Peach | |[[File:SSBU spirit Peach.png|center|64x64px]] | ||
|{{anchor|Peach}}[[Peach]] | |{{anchor|Peach}}[[Peach]] | ||
|''[[Super Mario Bros.]]'' | |''[[Super Mario Bros.]]'' | ||
|''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' | |||
|- | |- | ||
|6 | |6 | ||
|[[File:Daisy | |[[File:SSBU spirit Daisy.png|center|64x64px]] | ||
|{{anchor|Daisy}}[[Daisy]] | |{{anchor|Daisy}}[[Daisy]] | ||
|''Super Mario Land'' | |''Super Mario Land'' | ||
|''Mario Party 8'' | |||
|- | |- | ||
|7 | |7 | ||
|[[File:Bowser | |[[File:SSBU spirit Bowser.png|center|64x64px]] | ||
|{{anchor|Bowser}}[[Bowser]] | |{{anchor|Bowser}}[[Bowser]] | ||
|''Super Mario Bros.'' | |''Super Mario Bros.'' | ||
|''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' | |||
|} | |} | ||
This would even provide some room to separate the Stats column from the Primary Spirits array into 3 or 6 columns, like this: | This would even provide some room to separate the Stats column from the Primary Spirits array into 3 or 6 columns, like this: | ||
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|{{anchor|Metal Mario}}[[File:Metal Mario | |{{anchor|Metal Mario}}[[File:SSBU spirit Metal Mario.png|center|108x108px]] | ||
|[[Metal Mario]] | |[[Metal Mario]] | ||
|[[File:SpiritTypeShield.png|20px|center|Shield]] | |[[File:SpiritTypeShield.png|20px|center|Shield]] | ||
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|21 | |21 | ||
|{{anchor|Metal Mario}}[[File:Metal Mario | |{{anchor|Metal Mario}}[[File:SSBU spirit Metal Mario.png|center|108x108px]] | ||
|[[Metal Mario]] | |[[Metal Mario]] | ||
|[[File:SpiritTypeShield.png|20px|center|Shield]] | |[[File:SpiritTypeShield.png|20px|center|Shield]] | ||
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:::I think that the origin section has the least useful info for in-game uses; stats are obviously useful, acquisition on how to get more, and number for cataloging. Though perhaps it could be merged with ''Series Order''? It is fairly thin and would be just as long as an origin section. Also, the Zelda page is the only one with the origin split. Should that be changed back to match the others until a split is agreed upon? | :::I think that the origin section has the least useful info for in-game uses; stats are obviously useful, acquisition on how to get more, and number for cataloging. Though perhaps it could be merged with ''Series Order''? It is fairly thin and would be just as long as an origin section. Also, the Zelda page is the only one with the origin split. Should that be changed back to match the others until a split is agreed upon? | ||
:::The stat split I think it is very much needed. It will be useful to figure out which Primary to choose by looking for the stats you want. The series pages are also the only ones with the stats merged together; the [[Primary_spirit#List_of_primary_spirits | Primary List]] and the [[List_of_spirits_(complete_list) | Complete List]] are already split. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User_talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 09:40, February 6, 2020 (EST) | :::The stat split I think it is very much needed. It will be useful to figure out which Primary to choose by looking for the stats you want. The series pages are also the only ones with the stats merged together; the [[Primary_spirit#List_of_primary_spirits | Primary List]] and the [[List_of_spirits_(complete_list) | Complete List]] are already split. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User_talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 09:40, February 6, 2020 (EST) | ||
::::The idea was to transform the Series Order section into a Spirit Origin section that would include both the Spirit Origin, the Artwork Origin, and the Series. As for separating the Stats column, the intend was indeed to be able to make a good use of the sorting feature, but it's true that it's then kind of hard to guess what number is what stat, maybe it could be a better option to separate the stats yet keep the icons with the data, like in the following array. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 09:51, February 6, 2020 (EST) | |||
{|class="wikitable sortable" style="width:100%;" | |||
|- | |||
! No. | |||
! style="width:5%;"|Image | |||
! Name | |||
! Type | |||
! Class | |||
! Slot | |||
! Min [[File:Equipment Icon Power Badge.png|20px|Power]] | |||
! Max [[File:Equipment Icon Power Badge.png|20px|Power]] | |||
! Min [[File:Equipment Icon Brawn Badge.png|20px|Brawn]] | |||
! Max [[File:Equipment Icon Brawn Badge.png|20px|Brawn]] | |||
! Min [[File:Equipment Icon Protection Badge.png|20px|Protection]] | |||
! Max [[File:Equipment Icon Protection Badge.png|20px|Protection]] | |||
! Ability | |||
! Acquisition | |||
|- | |||
|21 | |||
|{{anchor|Metal Mario}}[[File:SSBU spirit Metal Mario.png|center|108x108px]] | |||
|[[Metal Mario]] | |||
|[[File:SpiritTypeShield.png|20px|center|Shield]] | |||
|★★★ | |||
|⬡ | |||
|[[File:Equipment Icon Power Badge.png|20px|Power]] 2,705 | |||
|[[File:Equipment Icon Power Badge.png|20px|Power]] 8,156 | |||
|[[File:Equipment Icon Brawn Badge.png|20px|Brawn]] 510 | |||
|[[File:Equipment Icon Brawn Badge.png|20px|Brawn]] 1,539 | |||
|[[File:Equipment Icon Protection Badge.png|20px|Protection]] 2,042 | |||
|[[File:Equipment Icon Protection Badge.png|20px|Protection]] 6,156 | |||
|Weight ↑ | |||
|•Battle via Spirit Board<br>•Purchase from the Vault Shop for 6000G | |||
|} | |||
:::::If that's the case then I think it would be fine (I should've read the original post better). | |||
:::::I did a quick sandbox on a larger set and including the icons caused the sorting to not work properly. Sorting low to high caused 900 to be greater than 6000, defeating the purpose of the split. I think it would be best to leave only the numbers and if it is really needed then maybe a color-coding.--[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User_talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 10:25, February 6, 2020 (EST) | |||
::::In fact, in my opinion, this function is not very important, because there is the [[Primary spirit]] page.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 23:36, February 6, 2020 (EST) | |||
:::::I don't think that is a good reasoning. Let's say I'm new to Ultimate and know very little about spirits but have collected some through my completion journey. My friend is making an arena later and is allowing spirits, I kinda like this K. Rool guy, and I heard that spirits from the same game as my character get stronger. I check the Primary spirit page and sort by attack, look hard for a spirit that looks good and notice 'Kaptain K. Rool'. I choose him because he has 5600 attack and is obviously from the same game. What I don't realize is that he is 53rd in attack and skimmed past 'Donkey Kong & Lady' which is 28th in attack, comes with a skill, and has an extra slot. I can also try the DK series spirit page but when I try to sort it it says 'Ninja Kong' is the best? He has much lower stats (I know that 'Donkey Kong & Lady' are first when unsorted, but the best isn't always first). | |||
:::::And then there is the editing perspective. I experienced this first hand when I recently joined and Byleth was added. I had the FE spirit page open on a smaller monitor and the text started to get jumbled together because of the image names, and it gets even more confusing on mobile. "Did I paste the wrong thing? Is it formatted wrong? Did I put defense where attack goes?". Split it up, give each stat their own line in the editor, and now the only trouble is counting. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User_talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 00:45, February 7, 2020 (EST) | |||
:::::I don't agree with the "the primary spirits page" argument. That's thinking from the perspective of a contributor, but not from the perspective of a mainstream user. If a normal user ends up on the "per series spirits page", he won't guess that there is also a primary spirits page (heck, I didn't even know myself there was such a page up until right now). I think each page have to be self sufficient. It doesn't mean that the stats split has to be there, but the idea that it doesn't need to because it's already done somewhere else is flawed. I think it's a mistake many people here make: thinking about the "right" way to do things rather than the "useful" way. We should always think things from the viewpoint of a random user ending up on the wiki from a google search. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 07:32, February 7, 2020 (EST) | |||
::::::Not long ago, these pages were added to the template. I think it's not hard for people to found this page now. And If people need to find the spirit of a particular series, just add series to the [[Primary spirit]] page.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 08:09, February 7, 2020 (EST) | |||
:::::::If you know a bit about the wiki structure, then finding the spirit you want won't be a problem, that is true. If I'm new or lazy, then I'll google "ultimate donkey kong spirits" or search on the wiki "donkey kong spirits" which gives the series list first. | |||
:::::::But I'm going to move past finding the spirits for now. What benefit does placing the stats into one cell have? From my point-of-view, splitting them makes them sortable, easier to edit, and takes fewer bytes. What is better about how it is now? --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User_talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 11:58, February 7, 2020 (EST) | |||
== Spirits Trivia section == | == Spirits Trivia section == | ||
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|[[File: | |[[File:SSBU spirit Geno.png|center|64x64px]] | ||
|[[Geno]] | |[[Geno]] | ||
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