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{{Proposal|passed|2=<span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]]&nbsp;[[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 10:04, February 6, 2021 (EST)}}
One of the most common types of trivia is a detail that is unique to one or a few characters, stages, game, etc that the majority of others in the category don't have. Since joining the wiki, I have noticed users, particularly new users or IPs add a detail that applies to too many to actually be noteworthy, some honorable mentions are [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Ness&diff=1394289&oldid=1347522 this], [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate&diff=1272251&oldid=1271843 this], [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_(SSBU)&diff=prev&oldid=1425918 this], and [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Waluigi&diff=prev&oldid=1299168 this]. Most of the time these get reverted anyway, but my point is if it applies to too many characters, stages, etc, it basically removes the whole point of the trivia being unique and instead serves to bloat the trivia section, and not having a restriction on overabundance will allow anyone to write a trivia about any little detail found in some but not all characters and the like. Like lets say trivia that goes "Ness is one of 21 (out of 86) characters in Ultimate who has a reflector, the others being (insert list here)". So I believe things like this can consult in bad trivia as per [[SW:TRIVIA]], it can go something like this:
One of the most common types of trivia is a detail that is unique to one or a few characters, stages, game, etc that the majority of others in the category don't have. Since joining the wiki, I have noticed users, particularly new users or IPs add a detail that applies to too many to actually be noteworthy, some honorable mentions are [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Ness&diff=1394289&oldid=1347522 this], [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate&diff=1272251&oldid=1271843 this], [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_(SSBU)&diff=prev&oldid=1425918 this], and [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Waluigi&diff=prev&oldid=1299168 this]. Most of the time these get reverted anyway, but my point is if it applies to too many characters, stages, etc, it basically removes the whole point of the trivia being unique and instead serves to bloat the trivia section, and not having a restriction on overabundance will allow anyone to write a trivia about any little detail found in some but not all characters and the like. Like lets say trivia that goes "Ness is one of 21 (out of 86) characters in Ultimate who has a reflector, the others being (insert list here)". So I believe things like this can consult in bad trivia as per [[SW:TRIVIA]], it can go something like this:
*'''Overabundance'''. "{{SSBU|Mario}} is one of only eight characters must be unlocked in Final Destination in World of Light, the other being, Bowser (Giga Bowser in World of Light), {{SSBU|Shiek}}, {{SSBU|Marth}}, {{SSBU|Snake}}, {{SSBU|Villager}}, {{SSBU|Mii Brawler}} and {{SSBU|Mii Swordfighter}}" Common trivia for many characters, stages, universes, etc is that they have a unique detail in which most others don't have the distinction. If the distinction is shared with too many of the like, then it removes the whole point of the trivia being notable. As the amount of fighters, stages, etc can vary from game to game, idealy if more than 25% share the trait, then it's no longer unique."
*'''Overabundance'''. "{{SSBU|Mario}} is one of only eight characters must be unlocked in Final Destination in World of Light, the other being, Bowser (Giga Bowser in World of Light), {{SSBU|Shiek}}, {{SSBU|Marth}}, {{SSBU|Snake}}, {{SSBU|Villager}}, {{SSBU|Mii Brawler}} and {{SSBU|Mii Swordfighter}}" Common trivia for many characters, stages, universes, etc is that they have a unique detail in which most others don't have the distinction. If the distinction is shared with too many of the like, then it removes the whole point of the trivia being notable. As the amount of fighters, stages, etc can vary from game to game, idealy if more than 25% share the trait, then it's no longer unique."
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#'''Support'''. Unique details are fine and dandy, but there does become a point when a line is crossed. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 02:29, January 15, 2021 (EST)
#'''Support'''. Unique details are fine and dandy, but there does become a point when a line is crossed. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 02:29, January 15, 2021 (EST)
#'''I agree'''. Considering the entirety of [[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate#Trivia|Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'s trivia section is harder to scroll through, it would be necessary to downsize the trivia sections. We are a wiki, a source for information, and I don't think the trivia section should have a huge emphasis when it comes to presenting information. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 09:54, January 15, 2021 (EST)
#'''I agree'''. Considering the entirety of [[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate#Trivia|Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'s trivia section is harder to scroll through, it would be necessary to downsize the trivia sections. We are a wiki, a source for information, and I don't think the trivia section should have a huge emphasis when it comes to presenting information. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 09:54, January 15, 2021 (EST)
#'''Support'''. Some characters have painfully long trivia sections. [[User:WolfBloodSpam|WolfBloodSpam]] ([[User talk:WolfBloodSpam|talk]]) 17:14, January 30, 2021 (EST)


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::I think a set number would be quite restrictive. I'd argue for a case-by-case basis. There are some articles that don't need a huge crowd of trivia sections (see [[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]), but then there are articles that have a feasible amount of trivia. If we stick with a set number, then we might compromise plenty of articles with feasible trivia sections to slim down articles that have too much trivia.
::I think a set number would be quite restrictive. I'd argue for a case-by-case basis. There are some articles that don't need a huge crowd of trivia sections (see [[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]), but then there are articles that have a feasible amount of trivia. If we stick with a set number, then we might compromise plenty of articles with feasible trivia sections to slim down articles that have too much trivia.
:: I'm in support because I want the trivia sections to not overtake the actual information that is being presented with the rest of the article. Getting rid of overabundance is valid, but having a set number would make it harder to deal with overabundance. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 21:53, January 15, 2021 (EST)
:: I'm in support because I want the trivia sections to not overtake the actual information that is being presented with the rest of the article. Getting rid of overabundance is valid, but having a set number would make it harder to deal with overabundance. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 21:53, January 15, 2021 (EST)
Bump. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omegα Toαd,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toαd Wαrrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(BUP)</font>]]''' 17:57, January 19, 2021 (EST)
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