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:::::@DP: Your're assuming the Brawl Community is inherently superior to the Melee community, and that is both not true and the incorrect way to decide terminology. First of all, given all the recent hype and post hype of EVO, the Melee Community saw a huge surge in growth, both in players and events. I'm not saying the Melee community is superior to Brawl's, but you can't eschew it for Brawl every time when looking at "majority" in the Smash community as a whole. And second, I concede to OT's reasoning, but he didn't say "Brawl uses perfect shielding -> we use perfect shielding." He stated perfect shielding sees usage in the community and is the most recent official term from Nintendo, so therefore it's sensible to use the term as the title. And thirdly, you not being an active member of either community removes credibility from you when you say "I haven't seen it before" since that makes you an unreliable witness.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 17:39, 1 August 2013 (EDT) | :::::@DP: Your're assuming the Brawl Community is inherently superior to the Melee community, and that is both not true and the incorrect way to decide terminology. First of all, given all the recent hype and post hype of EVO, the Melee Community saw a huge surge in growth, both in players and events. I'm not saying the Melee community is superior to Brawl's, but you can't eschew it for Brawl every time when looking at "majority" in the Smash community as a whole. And second, I concede to OT's reasoning, but he didn't say "Brawl uses perfect shielding -> we use perfect shielding." He stated perfect shielding sees usage in the community and is the most recent official term from Nintendo, so therefore it's sensible to use the term as the title. And thirdly, you not being an active member of either community removes credibility from you when you say "I haven't seen it before" since that makes you an unreliable witness.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 17:39, 1 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
Brawl calls it Perfect Shield. SSB4 calls it Perfect Shield. Ultimate calls it Perfect Shield. The name "power shield" is just a misnomer based on a melee bonus. Why hasn't this been changed by now? Just because some melee fanboys refuse to move on and learn from their mistakes? - [[Special:Contributions/68.190.118.39|68.190.118.39]] 15:18, 3 January 2019 (EST) | |||
:While I don't agree with your line about "melee fanboys" as it's not necessary for a professional website and goes against the talk page's guidelines, I agree with the users above that the most recent official name "perfect shield" should be used as the article title as it has the most significant use both offically and among players.[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> '''SupaToad64''' </span>]] [[ Image: Supatoad64Sig.jpg|20px ]] 02:40, June 9, 2019 (EDT) | |||
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'''Yeah''', I don't think I've ever heard anyone call it a Perfect Shield outside the Dojo. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 02:30, 22 April 2014 (EDT) | '''Yeah''', I don't think I've ever heard anyone call it a Perfect Shield outside the Dojo. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 02:30, 22 April 2014 (EDT) | ||
'''Support''' Powershield is more popular and official by the Melee bonus "Powershielder". [[User:Kadano|<font color="blue">Kadano</font>]] [[User talk:Kadano|<font color="teal">talk</font>]] 03:52, 22 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
'''Support''' per the reasoning [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 04:00, 22 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
'''Support''' Due to the above reasons, I have no objections. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 08:36, 22 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Move 3 == | |||
It has been suggested that this page be moved to "Power shield". | |||
I '''oppose''' for the same reasons Toomai provided in ''Move 2''. [[User:Kadano|<font color="blue">Kadano</font>]] [[User talk:Kadano|<font color="teal">talk</font>]] 05:53, 22 February 2015 (EST) | |||
Powershield appears to be the most common variant. Using official names for everything isn't priority, why I '''oppose''' the rename. – [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] 16:01, 6 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
I am not really sure why [[User:Dagon|Dagon]] moved this without warning, with 2 opposing votes and no support. This should be moved back.[[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 16:42, 26 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
:I moved it back and add my '''oppose''' to the idea of the name "power shield". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Zesty 17:58, 26 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
::Also '''Oppose''' per Toomai in ''Move 2'' [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 18:37, 26 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
==Equipment and Spirit effects== | |||
I felt like the information on how equipment and spirits can change the effect of perfect shields should be listed on the page. While it's not necessary for competitive play I felt it should be mentioned for the sake of completionism. Was this change alright?[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> '''SupaToad64''' </span>]] [[ Image: Supatoad64Sig.jpg|20px ]] 03:27, June 8, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Powershield vs Perfect Shield == | |||
This debate has been going on for awhile so let's decide which name should be used for the article title: | |||
'''''Powershield''''' or '''''Perfect Shield'''''. | |||
<span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:green;">Supα</span>]][[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:red;">Toαd</span><span style="color:blue;">64</span>]]'''</span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 09:32, August 31, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:Also make sure to specify which name you suggest in '''bold''' to make it easier to count. Currently: | |||
:'''Powershield''': 0 | |||
:'''Perfect Shield''': 4 | |||
Perfect Shield is currently leading <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:green;">Supα</span>]][[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:red;">Toαd</span><span style="color:blue;">64</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 07:48, November 4, 2019 (EST) | |||
:'''Perfect Shield''': The most recent name. Powershielding can redirect here, but it's not the name used anymore so it should be replaced. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 09:14, October 17, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:'''Perfect Shield''': Honestly, I never hear the term powershield when talking about this. I only hear Perfect shield and parry. I think powershield should only be used in ''Melee'' discussion, since that is where it's most used. [[User:X-Biaur19|X-Biaur19]] ([[User talk:X-Biaur19|talk]]) 21:40, November 2, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:'''Perfect shield''': Basically what Omega Tyrant said 6 years ago because it's exactly what I think: Powershield is the most common name used within the Melee community, but from Brawl and onward Perfect Shield is the dominant term used both officially and among players. The only times we use unofficial names is if it has more significant usage by players over the official name (L cancelling instead of smooth landing, SDI instead of hitstun shuffling, etc.), but the rule doesn't apply to the term Perfect Shield due to its significant usage, and mostly everyone has heard the term Perfect Shield so they won't go "what?" when hearing it. <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:green;">Supα</span>]][[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:red;">Toαd</span><span style="color:blue;">64</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 07:48, November 4, 2019 (EST) | |||
:'''Perfect Shield''' I've never heard this called Powershield. [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 01:52, January 12, 2020 (EST) | |||
::One last '''bump'''.<span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:green;">Supα</span>]][[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:red;">Toαd</span><span style="color:blue;">64</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 19:22, February 1, 2020 (EST) | |||
== "Officially" power shield? == | |||
I thought that was just the name of the Bonus. Like how taunting isn't called "Fighter Stance". [[Special:Contributions/68.190.118.39|68.190.118.39]] 22:29, November 9, 2020 (EST) | |||
:"Power shielder" Awarded for: "Used the '''Power Shield''' often" '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Omegɑ</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Toɑd</font>]]''' [[File:Toad.png|20px]] 23:46, November 9, 2020 (EST) | |||