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==Organization== | ==Organization== | ||
I notice the Brawl manual has different categories than the Melee one does. Which one do we use for all the games in general? I really dislike the Brawl sorting because some items like Combining and Gear only contain one or two items that could easily fit into one of the preestablished categories. Also I wonder if we should change '''Projectile Items''' to '''Throwing Items''' to more clearly differentiate between them and '''Shooting Items'''. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] 20:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC) | I notice the Brawl manual has different categories than the Melee one does. Which one do we use for all the games in general? I really dislike the Brawl sorting because some items like Combining and Gear only contain one or two items that could easily fit into one of the preestablished categories. Also I wonder if we should change '''Projectile Items''' to '''Throwing Items''' to more clearly differentiate between them and '''Shooting Items'''. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] 20:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
==Blue Spiny Shell== | |||
I noticed a blue spiny shell from Mario flying around the Halberd stage in the Super Smash Bros. Direct at about the 6:03 mark. I do not know how to add items to the list so could someone add the blue shiny shell to the list? [[User:Harro|Harro]] ([[User talk:Harro|talk]]) 22:54, 21 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
:The item is called a "spiny shell" and already has a entry and page as such. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 22:58, 21 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Sandbag == | == Sandbag == | ||
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==smash ball classification== | ==smash ball classification== | ||
Should the [[ | Should the [[Smash Ball]] be classified as "status" or "special"? [[User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) 12:55, 20 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
== Some new items revealed in new screenshots. Also hints of Namco stuff? == | == Some new items revealed in new screenshots. Also hints of Namco stuff? == | ||
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This includes Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Leaf, Mario Kart's Blue Shell, and what looks like things from Namco's arcade games. [[Special:Contributions/108.208.102.9|108.208.102.9]] 00:09, 9 April 2014 (EDT) | This includes Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Leaf, Mario Kart's Blue Shell, and what looks like things from Namco's arcade games. [[Special:Contributions/108.208.102.9|108.208.102.9]] 00:09, 9 April 2014 (EDT) | ||
: The pixel flag with the S is the Special Flag (http://namco.wikia.com/wiki/Special_Flag). [[Special:Contributions/108.208.102.9|108.208.102.9]] 00:50, 9 April 2014 (EDT) | : The pixel flag with the S is the Special Flag (http://namco.wikia.com/wiki/Special_Flag). [[Special:Contributions/108.208.102.9|108.208.102.9]] 00:50, 9 April 2014 (EDT) | ||
I don't normally put much stock into rumors and leaks, but this looks fairly legitimate to me. I wouldn't say enough to put on most pages, but almost certainly enough to go on the rumors page for now. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:01, 9 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
: Joe Merrick, the webmaster of Serebii.net, posted some of these shots on his twitter (https://twitter.com/JoeMerrick) 6 hours ago. He states they are from Nintendo's Press Kit. So they should be official. [[Special:Contributions/108.208.102.9|108.208.102.9]] 01:48, 9 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Serebii is not always a reliable source even for Pokemon content, let alone Smash content. This info belongs on the [[List of rumors|rumors]] page for now. If confirmed as legitimate, then it should be moved to the [[leak]] page. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:22, 9 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
[http://nintendoeverything.com/super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-tons-of-screenshots/?nggpage=6 Nintendo Everything], [http://www.ign.com/images/games/super-smash-bros-next-wii-u-110817 IGN]. [[User:Magiciandude|Magiciandude]] ([[User talk:Magiciandude|talk]]) 22:53, 9 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
== questioning a reversion: properties of link's bombs. == | |||
someone undid my edit about link's bombs having different properties for each version of link, saying 'Uh...properties? I think you mean "aesthetics"' in the edit description. But don't they actually have different properties (I.E. damage, knockback, blast radius)? [[Special:Contributions/128.210.74.10|128.210.74.10]] 13:05, 11 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:I was the one who undid the edit; that being said, I...haven't noticed any differences like that. [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aura Master'''</span>]] 13:08, 11 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:: I always thought Toon Link's bombs had less knockback but a larger blast radius. [[Bomb_(Link)#Toon_Link.27s_Bombs]] also says that the blast radius is larger, and [[Bomb_(Link)#Young_Link.27s_Bombs]] also says that young link's bombs hit multiple times. I'm not one hundred percent sure about any of this but there is reference to this elsewhere on the wiki, albeit without citing any hard data. (Full disclosure: I am the same guy as before, even though my IP address may be different.) [[Special:Contributions/149.160.37.247|149.160.37.247]] 14:19, 11 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
== SSB4 Item Updates? == | |||
Are items in {{for3ds}} and {{forwiiu}} being updated (other than bug fixes and glitches)? Because it seems as if when I attack a [[Smash Ball]] in the newer updates, it takes way more to break it than in previous versions of the game. I'm not comparing its durability to that of when it's spawned [[Training Mode]]. Could this probably be something else? [[User:Yin10Dou|Yin10Dou]] ([[User talk:Yin10Dou|talk]]) 16:52, 17 October 2015 (EDT)Yin10Dou | |||
==Battering item special moves== | |||
A few days ago, I noticed that there appeared to be no generally condensed information about the special forward smashes and dash attacks performed with battering items by certain characters in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl''. Although a few of these are noted on some pages (Marth/Roy's dual-wielding slash is mentioned to have been removed in ''Smash 4'' on [[Beam Sword]], Sheik and Captain Falcon's extra-star smashes are noted on [[Star Rod]], and Sheik and Captain Falcon's vertical-knockback bat swings are mentioned on [[Home-Run Contest]]), and all such attacks have their damage listed on their respective item pages, the actual attacks and their functions are not described in any detail anywhere on the wiki, as far as I can tell. | |||
In interest of this lack of information, I began testing these attacks myself in ''Melee'' today, and accordingly adding information in the characters' moveset sections under the header "Battering item special moves". I was notified by [[User:Serpent King]] on [[User talk:Pseudo-dino|my talk page]] that this information shouldn't be placed in these sections since they should only be used for moves inherent to the charcater. To be clear, I am ''not'' meaning to finger-point here, and I totally understand this decision. However, what ''should'' be done with this data? It is game-relevant information that does not appear to be currently documented anywhere on the wiki. These are the options that I've considered so far. | |||
*'''Keep it in the moveset sections of the character pages''': This is still my favorite option, honestly. While characters may not be able to perform these moves without items, I would argue that they are still an element of the character's moveset, as they are unique animations and attacks only performable by specific characters. | |||
*'''Make a new section on each character page''': This seems like a poor choice, since the character pages are fairly standardized and this section would only apply to certain characters. | |||
*'''Add the information to the Trivia section on each character page''': Works, but is out of the way and difficult to locate for the uninformed reader. | |||
*'''Make a section on the Item article''': This is probably my second favorite option, since it retains the information in a concisely-available manner. | |||
*'''Move the information to the item pages''': This would work pretty well, but would contain a lot of duplicate information across pages since most of these attacks have no special effects past the standard for the character. | |||
*'''Get rid of the information''': This is my least favorite option, since this is new information that the wiki can document. | |||
So, what's the general thinking here? [[User:Pseudo-dino|Pseudo-dino]] ([[User talk:Pseudo-dino|talk]]) 21:38, 12 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:It's definitely worth keeping somewhere. I'd say that the character pages make the most sense of the available options, given that Falcon swinging a Star Rod differently is an attribute of him, not the item. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:44, 12 November 2015 (EST) | |||
::Agree'd, but not in the moveset sections, and especially not trivia... <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 21:46, 12 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:::I disagree; it is very much part of his moveset, and is in my opinion the best place to put it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Aurum 22:09, 12 November 2015 (EST) | |||
==Gamewatch Food== | |||
In Melee, Mr. Game and Watch will not spawn food if he gets a Judgement #7 when the item switch disallows food. Can somebody test this in Brawl and 4? Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/74.70.110.148|74.70.110.148]] 17:35, 26 December 2015 (EST) | |||
I've seen it happen in For Glory. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 13:06, 20 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
== Should we remove the "Type" column in the list of items? == | |||
I don't think those terms are official. We did the same thing [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Final_Smash&diff=690749&oldid=690717 for Final Smashes] a while back. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 10:13, 18 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
:Bump. 21:52, 19 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
They are definitely in Smash 4. If you play the Wii U version, you'll see at the bottom of the screen where the description is. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:02, 19 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
:I guess that settles it then. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 12:55, 20 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
== Others == | |||
Aren't Metal Blades and Hyper Bombs items [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbyHeadYellowSSB.png|50x20px]] 15:51, 5 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
Well they can be picked up, why? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:38, 5 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
They aren't on the list [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbyHeadYellowSSB.png|50x20px]] 18:18, 5 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
:The whole table should probably be split to distinguish between item-menu items (Star Rod, Hammer, etc.), moveset-related items (Link's bombs, Metal Blades, etc.) and so on. Having it all as one giant table is messy as it stands. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:50, 5 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
::I'd say that separating them would make it worse, but that's just me. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 18:54, 5 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
:::I guess I'm assuming that most people coming to the item page are looking for things like the Star Rod, not so much situational items like Bonsly or Auroros. I figured that separating those out into a second table would make it feel less bloated. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:03, 5 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
What about the SSE items like the Trophy Stand? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:09, 5 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
::::At the same time, it's not that hard to press ctrl+f. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 19:18, 5 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
== Are all the items for Ultimate confirmed? == | |||
I notice some still say indeterminate. So do we know if all the items are confirmed or not? (Though CD is one I'm not sure about, they have not said if all tracks are available from the start) [[User:Collateralshrek|Collateralshrek]] ([[User talk:Collateralshrek|talk]]) 17:47, 11 November 2018 (EST) | |||
:Most of the items confirmed are listed on the Ultimate website, however since the game is not out yet and we only have some beta footage to base off of, it's most likely not 100% confirmed. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 17:49, 11 November 2018 (EST) | |||
::That makes sense, thank you. I mean I suspect most are confirmed, but then again there might be a item that nobody knows about that is coming back. [[User:Collateralshrek|Collateralshrek]] ([[User talk:Collateralshrek|talk]]) 17:51, 11 November 2018 (EST) | |||