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'''Yoshi''' ({{ja|ヨッシー|Yosshī}}, ''Yoshi'') is a returning veteran in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', confirmed on the [[Smash Bros. DOJO!!]] website on July 24, 2007. Yoshi is once again voiced by Kazumi Totaka, albeit with recycled voice clips from ''Yoshi's Story'', ''SSB64'', and ''Melee''.
'''Yoshi''' ({{ja|ヨッシー|Yosshī}}, ''Yoshi'') is a returning veteran in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', confirmed on the [[Smash Bros. DOJO!!]] website on July 24, 2007. Kazumi Totaka's voice clips from ''Yoshi's Story'' are reused once again, with a mix of those last used in ''Melee'' and some not used in ''Smash'' before ''Brawl''.


Yoshi currently ranks 27th on the [[tier list]] at the last spot of mid tier, a vast drop from his 10th position in ''Melee'', and his worst placement in the series. Yoshi is a unique character; he is a heavyweight with the fastest [[air speed]] in ''Brawl'', possesses a [[recovery]] that revolves around the best [[midair jump]] in ''Brawl'', and possesses a unique [[Shield#Yoshi's shield|shield]] that does not shrink, making him completely immune to [[shield stabbing]]. Yoshi in general has great all around movement speed (possessing a fast [[walking]] and [[dashing]] speed to compliment his air speed), and fast attacks throughout his moveset. Additionally, Yoshi possesses [[grab release]] options on several characters (which include [[chain grab]]s on nearly half the cast and a forward aerial [[meteor smash]] follow up), which is complimented by one of the best [[pivot grab]]s. Yoshi also has among the best [[Momentum cancelling#Horizontal momentum canceling|horizontal survivability]] with above-average vertical survivability due to his heavyweight status and average falling speed, good [[reach]] all around, a great get off move in his [[jab]], and a great anti-air [[projectile]] in [[Egg Throw]]. Yoshi has some strong flaws however, the most major of which being his almost non-existent [[out of shield]] options, as he is unable to jump out of shield (the only character with this hindrance), which combines with his slow standing [[grab]] and poor [[roll dodge]] for one of the worst close up games (resulting in Yoshi being easy to pressure). Yoshi also has an over-reliance on his double jump to recover, making [[footstool jump]]s, [[meteor smash]]es, or certain special grabs very dangerous to him (although he can [[air dodge]] during his second jump to gain invincibility). Other flaws include his slow and laggy standing and dashing grabs and an awkwardly large [[hurtbox]] on his nose that makes it easier to hit and [[space]] Yoshi. He also has poor KO power, since outside of his forward smash, up aerial and neutral aerial, he lacks other effective finishers, since his up and down smashes are among the weakest and back aerial cannot KO reliably. Overall, this has resulted in average matchups and average tournament results for Yoshi.
Yoshi currently ranks 27th on the [[tier list]] at the last spot of mid tier, a vast drop from his 10th position in ''Melee'', and his worst placement in the series. Yoshi is a unique character; he is a heavyweight with the fastest [[air speed]] in ''Brawl'', possesses a [[recovery]] that revolves around the best [[midair jump]] in ''Brawl'', and possesses a unique [[Shield#Yoshi's shield|shield]] that does not shrink, making him largely immune to [[shield stabbing]] (outside of a miniscule blindspot at the bottom of Yoshi's shield). Yoshi in general has great all around movement speed (possessing a fast [[walking]] and [[dashing]] speed to compliment his air speed), and fast attacks throughout his moveset. Additionally, Yoshi possesses [[grab release]] options on several characters (which include [[chain grab]]s on nearly half the cast, an up smash and a forward aerial [[meteor smash]] follow up although the latter is only guaranteed at the ledge in certain matchups), which is complimented by one of the best [[pivot grab]]s. Yoshi also has among the best [[Momentum cancelling#Horizontal momentum canceling|horizontal survivability]] with above-average vertical survivability due to his heavyweight status and average falling speed, good [[reach]] all around, a great get off move in his [[jab]], and a great anti-air [[projectile]] in [[Egg Throw]].  
 
Yoshi has some strong flaws however, the most major of which being his extremely poor shield due to a multitude of reasons. Yoshi is unable to jump out of shield (the only character with this hindrance), his drop shield animation is twice as long as the rest of the cast, Yoshi is unable to [[Powershield canceling|powershield cancel]] and Yoshi is unable to glide toss. When combined with the fact that Yoshi's standing [[grab]] is the slowest in the game in terms of startup (which is his fastest [[out of shield]] punish on both normal shield and even powershield) and he has poor [[roll]]s, this gives Yoshi the worst out of shield game in the entire game. Yoshi is incapable of punishing many moves which are easily punishable for the rest of the cast and he is overall vulernable to rather unique shield pressure compared to the rest of the cast due to his highly lacking shield, making Yoshi's shield the worst in the entire cast by a significant margin. In addition to Yoshi's very poor shield, he also has an over-reliance on his double jump to recover, making [[footstool jump]]s, [[meteor smash]]es, or certain special grabs very dangerous to him (although he can [[air dodge]] during his second jump to gain invincibility). Other flaws include his slow and laggy standing and dashing grabs and an awkwardly large [[hurtbox]] on his nose that makes it easier to hit and [[space]] Yoshi. He also has poor KO power, since outside of his forward smash, up aerial and neutral aerial, he lacks other effective finishers, since his up and down smashes are among the weakest and back aerial cannot KO reliably. Overall, this has resulted in average matchups and average tournament results for Yoshi.


==Attributes==
==Attributes==
Yoshi is a rather [[weight|heavy]] character, tied with {{SSBB|Wario}} in weight, but rather small and fast for his weight. He is very maneuverable in the air with a slow falling speed and the fastest air speed in the game, which are not usually attributes found in heavyweights. His moves generally have decent speed (although not as quick as several characters), weak knockback, and his range is good for non-disjointed moves. His Flutter Kick (down aerial) can hit for 35% if used correctly, making it among the most damaging attacks in the game (although this can be escaped with [[SDI]]). Arguably the most notable aspect of Yoshi's moveset is his midair jump, which is the farthest-reaching in the game, and gives him limited [[knockback resistance]] during the ascent. As long as Yoshi has his double jump, he can also be an effective edge guarder, either finishing enemies off with his meteor smashes, or using his neutral aerial at the right time to knock them back even further. This also allows Yoshi to perform a pseudo-[[wavedash]], known as the [[Dragonic Reverse]], which allows him to move and attack somewhat spontaneously. However, it is very difficult to execute, so its actual usage is limited.
Yoshi is a rather [[weight|heavy]] character, tied with {{SSBB|Wario}} in weight, but rather small and fast for his weight. He is very maneuverable in the air with a slow falling speed and the fastest air speed in the game, which are not usually attributes found in heavyweights. His moves generally have decent speed (although not as quick as several characters), weak knockback, and his range is good for non-disjointed moves. His Flutter Kick (down aerial) can hit for 35% if used correctly, making it among the most damaging attacks in the game (although this can be escaped with [[SDI]]). Arguably the most notable aspect of Yoshi's moveset is his midair jump, which is the farthest-reaching in the game, and gives him limited [[knockback resistance]] during the ascent. As long as Yoshi has his double jump, he can also be an effective edge guarder, either finishing enemies off with his meteor smashes, or using his neutral aerial at the right time to knock them back even further. This also allows Yoshi to perform a pseudo-[[wavedash]], known as the [[Dragonic Reverse]], which allows him to move and attack somewhat spontaneously. However, it is very difficult to execute, so its actual usage is limited.


One significant flaw with Yoshi is that, because of his minuscule third jump, Footstool Jumps, grabs (such as special grabs that can catch in the air), and attacks with enough knockback to cancel his midair jump's resistance can be devastating to Yoshi should they be performed while he is in his second jump. He is quite [[Dashing#Running_Speed|speedy]] on the ground, but he has few effective ways to advance on the opponent. Yoshi's standing grab range has lots of start up lag, and his dash grab is very punishable, with both being relatively short for tether grabs. However, Yoshi arguably has the best [[pivot grab]] in the game. His specials are largely situational due to a mix of poor range and speed. Egg Throw, for example, is an effective projectile attack that can help change directions in midair and can help recovery, but it can be hard to use because it travels in an arc, which can make it hard to hit with. Although his shield gives him immunity to shield stabbing and lasts slightly longer than others, it has a long exiting animation (taking 15 frames to shield drop instead of 7 frames for anyone else) and it cannot be jumped out of, giving him arguably the worst out of shield options in the game when considering his very slow standing grab, making him have a near impossible time punishing the opponent for hitting Yoshi's shield. His roll is also poor, though he has one of the best spot dodges in the game.
One significant flaw with Yoshi is that, because of his minuscule third jump, Footstool Jumps, grabs (such as special grabs that can catch in the air), and attacks with enough knockback to cancel his midair jump's resistance can be devastating to Yoshi should they be performed while he is in his second jump. He is quite [[Dashing#Running_Speed|speedy]] on the ground, but he has few effective ways to advance on the opponent. Yoshi's standing grab range has lots of start up lag, and his dash grab is very punishable, with both being relatively short for tether grabs. However, Yoshi arguably has the best [[pivot grab]] in the game. His specials are largely situational due to a mix of poor range and speed. Egg Throw, for example, is an effective projectile attack that can help change directions in midair and can help recovery, but it can be hard to use because it travels in an arc, which can make it hard to hit with. Although his shield gives him immunity to shield poking (outside of a miniscule blindspot at the bottom of Yoshi's shield), it has a long exiting animation (taking 15 frames to shield drop instead of 7 frames for anyone else) and it cannot be jumped out of, giving him arguably the worst out of shield options in the game when considering his very slow standing grab, making him have a near impossible time punishing the opponent for hitting Yoshi's shield. His roll is also poor, though he has one of the best spot dodges in the game.


Yoshi's major advantage is in his grab-release on a large number of cast members. He has a grab-release on at least nineteen cast members, and he can grab-release-spike seven of those.
Yoshi's major advantage is in his grab-release on a large number of cast members. He has a grab-release on at least nineteen cast members, and he can grab-release-spike seven of those.
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**{{nerf|Altogether, these changes combined with Yoshi's shield drop only becoming one frame shorter (which especially hurts him considering the fact that every other character's shield drop animation is 8 frames shorter) and with Yoshi still being unable to [[powershield canceling|powershield cancel]] have drastically hindered Yoshi's shield game, going from being unique to the absolute worst in the game by a large margin.}}
**{{nerf|Altogether, these changes combined with Yoshi's shield drop only becoming one frame shorter (which especially hurts him considering the fact that every other character's shield drop animation is 8 frames shorter) and with Yoshi still being unable to [[powershield canceling|powershield cancel]] have drastically hindered Yoshi's shield game, going from being unique to the absolute worst in the game by a large margin.}}
*{{buff|[[Spot dodge]] has a longer duration (frames 2-15 → 2-20).}}
*{{buff|[[Spot dodge]] has a longer duration (frames 2-15 → 2-20).}}
*{{change|Yoshi now cannot land during the first 7 frames of his [[air dodge]], and will remain in an airborne state until the 8th frame of the animation should he reach the ground during this time.}}
**{{buff|Regardless, if Yoshi touches the ground during this time, but then enters the air again, his double jump is restored. This allows for the niche [[Dragonic_Reverse#Yoshi.27s_triple_jump|triple jump]] technique.}}
*{{buff|Yoshi now has the ability to [[crawl]], giving him the ability to duck under moves or shrink his hurtbox.}}
*{{buff|Yoshi now has the ability to [[crawl]], giving him the ability to duck under moves or shrink his hurtbox.}}
*{{buff|Yoshi now has access to super glide tossing giving him an additional approach option when holding an item. Yoshi's super glide toss can cover almost half of [[Final Destination]].}}
*{{buff|Yoshi now has access to super glide tossing giving him an additional approach option when holding an item. Yoshi's super glide toss can cover almost half of [[Final Destination]].}}
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*{{SSBB|Snake}}
*{{SSBB|Snake}}
*{{SSBB|Sonic}}
*{{SSBB|Sonic}}
===Stats===
{{technical data|Needs short hop and double jump heights}}
{{Attributes
|cast      = 39
|weight    = 107
|rweight    = 8-9
|dash      = 1.33
|rdash      = 28
|run        = 1.68
|rrun      = 11
|walk      = 1.15
|rwalk      = 16
|trac      = 0.0426
|rtrac      = 36
|airfric    = 0.00975
|rairfric  = 22
|air        = 1.316
|rair      = 1
|baseaccel  = 0.01
|rbaseaccel = 7-36
|addaccel  = 0.07
|raddaccel  = 20-25
|gravity    = 0.07347
|rgravity  = 26
|fall      = 1.29
|rfall      = 27
|ff        = 1.806
|rff        = 29
|jumpsquat  = 6
|rjumpsquat = 27-35
|jumpheight = 36.10337322
|rjumpheight= 9
|shorthop  = ?
|rshorthop  = ?
|djump      = ?
|rdjump    = ?
}}


===[[Announcer]] call===
===[[Announcer]] call===
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==In [[competitive play]]==
==In [[competitive play]]==
===Matchups===
{{SSBBMatchupTable|yoshi=yes}}
Yoshi has average matchups all around. He is hard countered by one character, {{SSBB|Falco}}, countered by four characters, soft countered by eleven characters, has 10 even matchups, soft counters five characters, counters three characters, and hard counters two characters. Yoshi struggles against characters who can shut down his approach options, such as Falco and {{SSBB|Olimar}}. On the other hand, Yoshi does well against characters that can be chain grabbed through an air release, such as {{SSBB|Lucas}} and {{SSBB|Ganondorf}}.
===Notable players===
===Notable players===
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:''See also: [[:Category:Yoshi players (SSBB)]]''
:''See also: [[:Category:Yoshi players (SSBB)]]''
*{{Sm|Deltacod|USA}}
*{{Sm|Deltacod|USA}}
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*[[The Great Maze]] (if rescued in [[Subspace (Part II)]])
*[[The Great Maze]] (if rescued in [[Subspace (Part II)]])


==In [[Event Match]]es==
==In Solo Modes==
===Solo Events===
==={{SSBB|Classic Mode}}===
In Classic Mode, Yoshi can appear as an opponent or ally in Stage 2 along with {{SSBB|Donkey Kong}} and {{SSBB|Diddy Kong}} on {{SSBB|Yoshi's Island}}, [[Rumble Falls]], or [[75m]] (with the latter available if it has been unlocked). Yoshi can also appear as an opponent in Stage 11, but only if he hasn't appeared in Stage 2.
 
===[[All-Star Mode]]===
In All-Star Mode, Yoshi is fought in Stage 12 on {{SSBB|Yoshi's Island}}.
 
===[[Event Match]]es===
====Solo Events====
*'''[[Event 10: All-Star Battle Regulars]]''': Yoshi is one of the opponents fought in this event. All opponents are starters from the original ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]'' game.
*'''[[Event 10: All-Star Battle Regulars]]''': Yoshi is one of the opponents fought in this event. All opponents are starters from the original ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]'' game.
*'''[[Event 11: Yoshi's Rainbow]]''': As the {{SSBB|Ice Climbers}} on [[Rainbow Cruise]], the player must KO the Yoshis in the following order: Red, pink, yellow, green, light blue, and blue. Not KOing them in that order is an instant failure.
*'''[[Event 11: Yoshi's Rainbow]]''': As the {{SSBB|Ice Climbers}} on [[Rainbow Cruise]], the player must KO the Yoshis in the following order: Red, pink, yellow, green, light blue, and blue. Not KOing them in that order is an instant failure.
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*'''[[Event 37: The Pirate Airship]]''': As {{SSBB|Toon Link}}, the player must KO both Yoshis on [[Pirate Ship]] while the ship is in the air.
*'''[[Event 37: The Pirate Airship]]''': As {{SSBB|Toon Link}}, the player must KO both Yoshis on [[Pirate Ship]] while the ship is in the air.


===Co-op Events===
====Co-Op Events====
*'''[[Co-Op Event 3: Fastest, Shortest, Sudden Death]]''': Yoshi and {{SSBB|King Dedede}} must survive for 10 seconds against {{SSBB|Lucas}} and {{SSBB|Pit}} on [[WarioWare Inc.]] All players start at 300% for this event.
*'''[[Co-Op Event 3: Fastest, Shortest, Sudden Death]]''': Yoshi and {{SSBB|King Dedede}} must survive for 10 seconds against {{SSBB|Lucas}} and {{SSBB|Pit}} on [[WarioWare Inc.]] All players start at 300% for this event.
*'''[[Co-Op Event 5: The Yoshi Team of 50]]''': As {{SSBB|Meta Knight}} and Pit, KO all 50 Yoshis on Rainbow Cruise before completing one lap of the stage.
*'''[[Co-Op Event 5: The Yoshi Team of 50]]''': As {{SSBB|Meta Knight}} and Pit, KO all 50 Yoshis on Rainbow Cruise before completing one lap of the stage.
*'''[[Co-Op Event 9: Those Who Wait in Onett]]''': Lucas and {{SSBB|Ness}} must defeat {{SSBB|Luigi}} and Yoshi on [[Onett]].
*'''[[Co-Op Event 9: Those Who Wait in Onett]]''': Lucas and {{SSBB|Ness}} must defeat {{SSBB|Luigi}} and Yoshi on [[Onett]].
*'''[[Co-Op Event 21: The True All-Star Battle]]''': Two players select a character and take on the entire roster on {{SSBB|Battlefield}}.
*'''[[Co-Op Event 21: The True All-Star Battle]]''': Two players select a character and take on the entire roster on {{SSBB|Battlefield}}.
===[[Congratulations_screen#Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl|Ending Images]]===
<center>
<gallery>
Yoshi Congratulations Screen Classic Mode Brawl.png|Classic Mode
Yoshi Congratulations Screen All-Star Brawl.png|All-Star Mode
</gallery>
</center>


==[[Trophies]]==
==[[Trophies]]==