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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.
This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.
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=Rules=
=Rules=
*The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights.
===Posting suggestions===
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
**Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game (or a batch of downloadable content) that has yet to be released.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post '''one suggestion per week''' (i.e. one every seven days).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Don't vote for your own suggestion. You automatically vote for it if you suggest it.
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight.  
**If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk [[SW:PROB|probation]].
*You can remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine; just don't replace, add, or remove combatants.
 
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page. If you place them at the top, they may be lost.
===Voting and comments===
*Don't vote on your own suggestion.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*The comments section is to be used for '''relevant''' comments.
*'''Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occured '''100 rounds ago'''.
 
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once.
===Acceptance or rejection===
*In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. Reposting it after time has passed is generally a bad idea, since if it's already in the queue it's a waste of time, and if it was rejected the first time chances are it will remain that way. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*'''The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights.''' Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
*And finally, '''do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on which would win.
**In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
*Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.
 
=Tips=
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.


=Queue=
=Queue=
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When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.
When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.


The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.
The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue attempts to balance out fights so that specific participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.


The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.
The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.
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==PK Starstorm (Lucas) vs. PK Starstorm (Ness)==
==[[Rosalina]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==


They are same, but they still have difference. I'd like to see which one is favored [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:Meta+Kirby.jpg|23px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/KirbytheAmazing|'''Know my power!''']] 08:34, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
Two of the newest characters from the ''Mario'' universe makes it into ''SSB4''. Both have chargeable projectiles which stop dead upon hit. Who will rule 21st century ''Mario''? [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:00, 9 December 2017 (EST)


===Support===
===Support===
#Some differences you don't even notice. --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 06:49, 25 August 2011 (EDT)
I think it has an interesting idea behind it. It has my vote! [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 15:41, 22 March 2018 (EDT)
#I like it. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:46, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
 
Sounds like fun! Let's try it! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:33, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
 
I agree with Crazy Rhino. It's interesting. Why not. Blueflame105
 
Kind of an obvious one. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
#I think the only way you could favor one over the other and have an actual reason for it depends on the size of the stages you fight on, so no thanks. [[User:Squishyfrog|<span style="color: lightseagreen;">'''Squishyfrog'''</span>]] [[User talk:Squishyfrog|''<span style="color: lightseagreen;">Chat</span>'']] 08:42, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#the diference is sooooo small [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">>_>'''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''OH MY PORK!''']][[Image:Lucas alive.PNG|25px]] 08:49, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#This is more like a character fight than anything.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 10:00, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#Clone matchups is one thing, but cloned move matchups? [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 12:03, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#Simply too similar to be interesting. ''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]'''''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]]''' 21:53, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
# '''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>Ƌ<font color=#FF0037>o<font color=#FF006E>ӄ<font color=#FF00A5>ԏ<font color=#FF00DC>o<font color=#FF00FF>яΠ</font>ɛ</font>ə</font>и</font>9</font>9</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 22:21, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#LANDMASTER VS LANDMASTER FIRST <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 00:04, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#Basically the same. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 16:04, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#Above.--'''''[[User:PSIWolf|<font color=#00006E>P</font><font color=#0000A5>S</font><font color=#0000DC>I</font><font color=#0000FF>W</font><font color=#0037FF>o</font><font color=#006EFF>lf</font>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>T</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>C</font>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>E</font>]]) 14:25, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
#There aren't enough differences in my opinion. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 07:59, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


===Comments===
===Comments===


==[[Bowser]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==
It's the battle of the Koopas! The Koopa King and the Koopa Prince are a royal duo. Who will rule this Koopa brawl between two ''Mario'' universe enemies? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:49, 23 March 2018 (EDT)


==[[Smasher:Ally|Ally]] vs. [[Smasher:Mew2King|Mew2King]]==
===Support===
Both have won many tournaments, discovered brawling tactics you might be using today, have had their efforts notified all around the Smash community and are regarded as some of the best Brawlers around, which Meta Knight main do you think is better?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 09:09, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
It would be en epic koopa battle. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  19:59, 9 May 2018 (EDT)


===Support===
Sure, why not? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#Agrees with dodo's comment [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">>_>'''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''OH MY PORK!''']][[Image:Lucas alive.PNG|25px]] 09:43, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#If this match is allowed, I'll support, as they are the two best smashers in ''Brawl''. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:44, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#Don't know who they are. Don't give a damn who they are. It just makes a difference. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 16:04, 24 August 2011 (EDT)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
#To those of us who aren't into competiteve smashing (if that's even the correct term), this fight is rather blah. And I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the readers/users here weren't into the whole competetive side of things. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:23, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
I don't know. This seems kind of obvious. I don't think they're different enough. You're entitled to your opinion though. Blueflame105
#It's these two smashers that make Brawl look bad by them both maining the top tier guys. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 12:02, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#Going to cause alienation for those who aren't used to the technical or competitive areas of the games. In the latter case, higher profile players should be featured, such as Ken Hoang or Aniki. ''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]'''''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]]''' 21:53, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#Interesting idea, but not a very good one. '''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>Ƌ<font color=#FF0037>o<font color=#FF006E>ӄ<font color=#FF00A5>ԏ<font color=#FF00DC>o<font color=#FF00FF>яΠ</font>ɛ</font>ə</font>и</font>9</font>9</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 22:21, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#Great suggestion but I don't think anyone will care about these two guys. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|lolz]] [[File:PikachuHeadSSBB.png|19px]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Airbore]] 22:25, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#I fuckin hate competitive Smash. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Damn Sky Runner broke again...'' 23:28, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#But Ally has been beating M2K in recent tournies. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 00:04, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#If you don't pay attention to the competitive field, you wouldn't be able to vote. And it wouldn't draw in new users. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">Toast</font><font color="darkbrown">Ultimatum</font>]] [[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|27px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|''<span style="color: silver;">Complaints Box</span>'']] 14:15, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
#I don't even know who they are...--'''''[[User:PSIWolf|<font color=#00006E>P</font><font color=#0000A5>S</font><font color=#0000DC>I</font><font color=#0000FF>W</font><font color=#0037FF>o</font><font color=#006EFF>lf</font>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>T</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>C</font>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>E</font>]]) 14:25, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
#Don't like the idea of fights with combatants not in the actual games. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 07:59, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


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dang it, Ally is now recently going to main Meta Knight. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|lolz]] [[File:PikachuHeadSSBB.png|19px]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Airbore]] 09:13, 23 August 2011 (EDT)


This is a nice suggestion, but are competitive smashers eligible to be in the Smash Arena? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:22, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
==[[Villager]] vs. [[Rosalina]]==
:HAHAH Probably not, but since when was doing things by the rules fun?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 09:26, 23 August 2011 (EDT)


This is a rather tricky one. The letter of the rule says that SA competitors have to have appeared in a Smash Bros. game (implying they must be in-game assets), which would invalidate this; on the other hand, I see no reason to disallow it should the support be there. Of course, the second problem is that a round with these two would probably have a low amount of "legit" votes, seeing as the average SA voters probably doesn't give a crap about competitive play and may have only heard of either of them, and thus wouldn't be a good idea without some other bouts at the same time to keep interest up (which typically only occur every 25 rounds). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 10:15, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
Both characters are fun and have a special move that can negate most projectiles (Pocket and Gravitational Pull, respectively) and are both fairly new. Both are newcomers. Who would win? What do you think? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 16:02, 9 May 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 3:01, March 9 2018 (American Central Time)
:Yes that is very correct, some users might find this boring unfortunately. But if this suggestion does get passed, somehow, it could just wait till a multiple fight round unless the majority of support votes have something stating they don't want it to... like having '''Individual bout''' on the ends of their votes. That could work right?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 10:33, 23 August 2011 (EDT)


@Mr. Anon: How does Ally make Brawl look bad simply by using top tier characters, when the best players of essentially every competitive game do? I agree Mew2King does, but that's due to his antics at tournaments, rather than his character choice.
===Support===
A great battle for me so, let's give that a try! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 12:15, 10 May 2018 (EDT)


@Reidemon: How are the two best ''Brawl'' players not high profile enough? I guarantee Ally and Mew2King are more known than Aniki is. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:44, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
This is a great idea. Has my support. YoshisaurusThe9th


:Wrong choice of words, I guess. Mostly, I'm referring to the absolute best in the game, with no doubts. Ally, as said in his own article, is said to be struggling in recent times, and Mew2king strikes me more of the technical player than a competitive one. They may be famous, sure, but I don't think they're the best representatives for Brawl.  
===Oppose===
I don't really get the connection. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


:I'm not completely familiar with the wide competitive scene for Brawl, though, so if my thoughts are incorrect...well then, they probably are. But hey, this forum is just for suggestions, so I decided to put my two cents in. ''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]'''''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]]''' 18:29, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
===Comments===
::Ally struggling? He just won KTAR6 a week ago, and was either winning or running up in previous regionals/nationals. And in ''Brawl'', these two are currently the absolute best, which is the basis for Dodo's suggestion. As for how good of representatives they are, it's pretty irrelevant, though I think Ally is a pretty good rep (Mew2King on the other hand...). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:59, 24 August 2011 (EDT)


== [[Mario]] vs. [[Bowser]] ==
==[[Koopalings|Wendy]] vs. [[Lucina]]==


Repeat fights are allowed after 100 rounds have passed. Why not celebrate the triple digits by revisiting round 1? --[[File:Jelloratbob_icon.png|14px]][[User talk:Jelloratbob|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family:comic sans ms;color:light blue;background:none">Jelloratbob</span>]] 11:34, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
The only unlockable females in the series. One fights to repair the future, the other fights to take over the world. One is driven and kind, the other is bratty and vicious. Which one reigns supreme? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


===Support===
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#Good idea![[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">ò.ó'''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''Combo God!''']][[Image:Lucas alive.PNG|25px]] 11:37, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
A nice matchup in my favor. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#Nice idea. I like it. ''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]'''''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]]''' 21:53, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#I support, as the first time around, this matchup was very close, and the results could very well be different. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:44, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#I know which side will take this vote. :( People just don't get how epic this matchup is, really. --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 06:46, 25 August 2011 (EDT)
 
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#Even though it is allowed, I'd rather have something more original. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 12:04, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
Just no. Please no. Also, Wendy isn't unlockable in for Wii U, and neither is Lucina, so that's driven entirely from the 3DS version, right? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:03, 8 June 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105
#What Anon said '''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>Ƌ<font color=#FF0037>o<font color=#FF006E>ӄ<font color=#FF00A5>ԏ<font color=#FF00DC>o<font color=#FF00FF>яΠ</font>ɛ</font>ə</font>и</font>9</font>9</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 22:21, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#Per all. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Damn Sky Runner broke again...'' 23:08, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
#They meet again for the billionth time. Boring. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 00:04, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#We know the outcome. Mario wins. Bowser kidnaps Peach. Mario wins. Blah Blah Blah. Toad cries "Sorry but our princess....." ''boring'' [[user:PikminBrawler|Pikmin]] [[user talk:PikminBrawler|Brawler]] [[file:OlimarHeadSSBB.png|20px]] ''Go Steve the Pikmin!'' 00:24, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#Boring duuuuuuuuh. Bowser lose, Peach kidnapped, Mario kick some ass, Mario eat some cake, and back to "Bowser lose" [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:Meta+Kirby.jpg|23px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/KirbytheAmazing|'''Know my power!''']] 04:00, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#Despite being allowed to re-do old matches, I don't want them redone. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 12:45, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#BORING.--'''''[[User:PSIWolf|<font color=#00006E>P</font><font color=#0000A5>S</font><font color=#0000DC>I</font><font color=#0000FF>W</font><font color=#0037FF>o</font><font color=#006EFF>lf</font>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>T</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>C</font>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>E</font>]]) 14:25, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
#Don't like the idea of repeat matches personally. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 07:59, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


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== [[King Dedede (SSBB)|King Dedede]] vs [[Ice Climbers (SSBB)|Ice Climbers]] ==
==[[Lakitu & Spinies]] vs. [[Hammer Bro.]]==


Both are artic related, use a  hammer as their main weapon, and wear a parka or whatever. It's not the best idea, but it works nonetheless. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Damn Sky Runner broke again...'' 23:15, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
Two [[Assist Trophies]] from the ''Mario'' series. One throws Spinies, the other throws hammers. Which one is your favorite? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


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# Sounds fun. Penguin getting killed by two kids. Perfect. [[user:PikminBrawler|Pikmin]] [[user talk:PikminBrawler|Brawler]] [[file:OlimarHeadSSBB.png|20px]] ''Go Steve the Pikmin!'' 00:18, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
It's a cool idea, so I'll support this. I would definitely vote for Hammer Bro. though. I hate going up against Lakitu. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:04, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
#There's been a similar battle but I'd still be interested to see who'd win this. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 07:59, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


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#Done before therefore don't like. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 14:49, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
Rematches are uninteresting in general, especially now that we're going to have 5 ''Smash'' games and now, there are more ''Mario'' based assists. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
#Wait until Round 147 man. --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 15:42, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#No. '''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>Ƌ<font color=#FF0037>o<font color=#FF006E>ӄ<font color=#FF00A5>ԏ<font color=#FF00DC>o<font color=#FF00FF>яΠ</font>ɛ</font>ə</font>и</font>9</font>9</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 22:09, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#Above.--'''''[[User:PSIWolf|<font color=#00006E>P</font><font color=#0000A5>S</font><font color=#0000DC>I</font><font color=#0000FF>W</font><font color=#0037FF>o</font><font color=#006EFF>lf</font>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>T</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>C</font>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>E</font>]]) 14:25, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
#above and since when Dedede is artic-related? [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">ò.ó'''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''Combo God!''']][[Image:Lucas alive.PNG|25px]] 11:15, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
 
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...We're allowed to vote for our own suggestions? ''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]'''''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]]''' 23:33, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
Not saying it couldn't happen as it was more than 100 matches ago, but discovered this same matchup with their Brawl incarnations in the archives. While I do like this matchup and fully support it, it does say you aren't likely to get a repeat unless people really want a different result or it was a tie. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 19:06, 6 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
:Duh. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Damn Sky Runner broke again...'' 23:43, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
::In the rules it says you don't need to because suggesting it already shows your support. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 23:47, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
::Also, this was done in Round 46, so even if it got enough supports to run again you'd have to wait until Round 146 for it to show up. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Different 23:48, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
:Didn't know that sorry. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Damn Sky Runner broke again...'' 20:00, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
@110.174.90.69: This '''was''' the fight. --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 09:25, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


:@Lucasthefourth: DDD is a penguin.--'''''[[User:PSIWolf|<font color=#6E0000>P</font><font color=#A50000>S</font><font color=#DC0000>I</font><font color=#FF0000>W</font><font color=#FF3700>o</font><font color=#FF6E00>lf</font>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<font color=#0000ff>T</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<font color=#0000ff>C</font>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<font color=#0000ff>E</font>]]) 11:17, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
==[[Mario Circuit (SSB4)]] vs. [[Rainbow Road]]==
:: :0 but in snakes codec: so... He's not a penguin??.?[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">ò.ó'''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''Combo God!''']][[Image:Lucas alive.PNG|25px]] 11:21, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


==[[Samus (SSBB)|Samus]] vs. [[Snake (SSBB)|Snake]]==
3, 2, 1... GO! Two stages from ''{{iw|mariowiki|Mario Kart|series}}'' battle it out in a race to the finish. One is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8}}'' and ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8 Deluxe}}'', the other is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 7}}''. Who will take the checkered flag in this match? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 01:10, 17 June 2018 (EDT)
Samus held the record for most projectiles in ''Melee'' (tied with Link, but let's face it, Samus's were way better), but the record was taken by Snake in ''Brawl''. Both can use explosives, are good with kicks, and are pretty hefty. Who's got the edge? <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 03:05, 24 August 2011 (EDT)


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===Support===
#Projectile Girl vs. Explosive Man? ...This is good! [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:Meta+Kirby.jpg|23px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/KirbytheAmazing|'''Know my power!''']] 03:39, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
Great Idea in my opinion.
#the two <3ers fighting? Lolol now that's what i'm talkin' about[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">ò.ó'''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''Combo God!''']][[Image:Lucas alive.PNG|25px]] 09:43, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
[[User: CaptainDabsalot|CaptainDabsalot]] Or [[User Talk: CaptainDabsalot|The SavageCow]] 6/22/18 11:04 CST
#^^ BiTF refrence? anyway, I like it. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#Intro supports my support. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:44, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/2010/05/06/142-snake-in-the-grass-part-2/ -[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 13:59, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#Yes. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 16:04, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
# '''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>Ƌ<font color=#FF0037>o<font color=#FF006E>ӄ<font color=#FF00A5>ԏ<font color=#FF00DC>o<font color=#FF00FF>яΠ</font>ɛ</font>ə</font>и</font>9</font>9</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 22:09, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#I would rather not explain why this is a good matchup. I think viewing both Samuses' codecs is enough. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 22:31, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
#Just enough votes to say PER ALL! --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 06:53, 25 August 2011 (EDT)
#Snake + Samus lol (joke). But take a look at Snakes codec talk about her, like Anon said.--'''''[[User:PSIWolf|<font color=#00006E>P</font><font color=#0000A5>S</font><font color=#0000DC>I</font><font color=#0000FF>W</font><font color=#0037FF>o</font><font color=#006EFF>lf</font>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>T</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>C</font>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<font color=#FF0000>E</font>]]) 14:25, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
#Surprised this hasn't been done yet. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 07:59, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


[[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
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==[[Daisy]] vs. [[Inkling]] vs. [[Ridley]]==
@Ivy73: All I see in that comic is Snake, CF, and some woman. --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 06:53, 25 August 2011 (EDT)
:That's Samus without the suit. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:09, 25 August 2011 (EDT)


Since Samus held the record for the most projectiles in Melee (ok tied with link), if this fight was put up, would it have Samus' ''Melee'' or ''Brawl'' picture? --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 06:53, 25 August 2011 (EDT)
The first three newcomers announced for SSBU. Which noob gets the most hype? ...Wait a second... [[Forum:Smash_Arena/Archive_40#Villager_vs._Wii_Fit_Trainer_vs._Mega_Man|hasn't something like this been done before?]] [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 20:17, 21 July 2018 (EDT)


Note that while this is a good idea for a fight, in SSB64 Samus did NOT have the most projectiles (nor did Link). That title was held by Kirby, who had 3 or four projectiles, depending on the definition (final cutter, horizontal star shot, vertical star shot, and copied projectiles). [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 11:25, 25 August 2011 (EDT)
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:@107.5.57.137 - Samus from ''Brawl''. You could say she's out to avenge her lost rank or something to that effect.
I mean... yeah. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 20:42, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
:@Anon - While that's true, it's only situational, considering that the star spit only works as an effective projectile if there are more than two opponents. I've never seen Kirby shoot a star upward, by the way, but I'll try it out whenever I have time. Regardless, vertical or horizontal, the star shot is one projectile move. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 11:30, 25 August 2011 (EDT)
::By vertical star shot I mean when he uses copy and shoots a small star upwards. I've actually KOed some people with it. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 12:43, 25 August 2011 (EDT)


==King Dedede vs. Olimar==
ABSOLUTELY! Ultimate looks really good. Counting down the days till December 9th..... [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


Dedede uses Waddle Dees in his side special and FS, whereas Olimar uses Pikmin in almost all of his attacks. [[User:Dr. 8-Bit|Dr. 8-Bit]] ([[User talk:Dr. 8-Bit|talk]]) 16:56, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
The only time such matchup is valid. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)


===Support===
Love it! That one is going to be awesome! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 13:07, 29 July 2018 (EDT)
#I know everyone will oppose this, but they are similar and contrasting in very interesting ways. King Dedede is one of the largest, heaviest, and strongest characters, while Olimar is one of the smallest, lightest, and fastest. Yet both of them are relatively close to eachother tier wise. Furthermore, both Pikmin and Waddle Dees have similar characteristics, as both of them move around and can be killed. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 18:07, 26 August 2011 (EDT)


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===Oppose===
#Waddle Dees/Doos move around on their own and Pikmin either follow Olimar or attack. And personally, I don't think one similar move justifies these two fighting each other. Mabye if it was Waddle Dee throw vs. Pikmin throw, but not this. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 19:02, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
#Nah '''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>Ƌ<font color=#FF0037>o<font color=#FF006E>ӄ<font color=#FF00A5>ԏ<font color=#FF00DC>o<font color=#FF00FF>яΠ</font>ɛ</font>ə</font>и</font>9</font>9</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]]  23:43, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
#Both totally different. Waddle Dees have AI and move of their own accord too. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 03:58, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#Too different.--'''''<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:PSIWolf|<span style="color:gold">P</span><span style="color:orange">S</span><span style="color:red">I</span><span style="color:#333333">Wolf</span>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">T</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">C</span>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">E</span>]])</span> 07:01, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#This seems more like it'd be a Waddle Dee vs Pikmin fight. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 07:59, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


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==Bulborb vs. Fish (The Summit)==


Two carnivorous creatures that serve as one-hit KO hazards in different stages. But which is more popular? [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">Toast</font><font color="darkbrown">Ultimatum</font>]] [[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|27px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|''<span style="color: silver;">Complaints Box</span>'']] 18:48, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
==[[Kirby (SSB4)|Kirby]] Vs. [[Jigglypuff (SSB4)| Jigglypuff]]==
Also, Smash Arena fights tend to be two-way, so I didn't include The Ultimate Chimera, but if anybody wants a three-way fight including it, please say so.
 
Pink. Puffy. Powerful. Wait, which one am I talking about? It's pink puffball on pink puffball in this puffball brawl. Both are floaty, pink, and overall competitively useless! Both of their up specials can hinder their recoveries, but can jump a lot (maybe too much) so it's all good. It's the ULTIMATE BATTLE! What's that? You say it's not? Well then, [[Kirby]] or [[Jigglypuff]]. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:53, 22 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


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#Hungry stage hazards that are way bigger than they should be. It's got my vote. (But seriously Nintendo? You made Pikmin, make the bulborbs somewhere close to the size they are there. But that's beside the point.) --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 19:02, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
#Per above. '''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>Ƌ<font color=#FF0037>o<font color=#FF006E>ӄ<font color=#FF00A5>ԏ<font color=#FF00DC>o<font color=#FF00FF>яΠ</font>ɛ</font>ə</font>и</font>9</font>9</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 23:43, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
#Since the Chimera doesn't actually eat you, it seems like a good enough battle. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 03:58, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#Munch![[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">ò.ó'''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''Combo God!''']][[Image:Lucas alive.PNG|25px]] 04:56, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#The opposition is... <you fill a negative word here, I can't. :P> Per all. --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 06:44, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#Stage hazards!--'''''<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:PSIWolf|<span style="color:gold">P</span><span style="color:orange">S</span><span style="color:red">I</span><span style="color:#333333">Wolf</span>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">T</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">C</span>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">E</span>]])</span> 07:01, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#Would be a cool fight. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 07:59, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


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#Size difference [[Special:Contributions/206.53.148.16|206.53.148.16]] 04:10, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
This match was already done in a lopsided result. Also I noticed that much of your contributions have been Smash Arena related and we're currently on a Red wiki status and spending to much time in the Smash Arena without contributing to the mainspace can result in an IP block (or probation if you're a registered user). [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is bad for me  18:52, 23 July 2018 (EDT)


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@Oppose: Does size matter? '''NOOOO.''' --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 09:26, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
I apologize. I was not aware of this, and will refrain from doing Smash Arena things, at least until wiki status lowers. I have been attempting tobe more helpful on the wiki, but overall, I'm not good at it. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:51, 25 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
 
==[[Cloud Strife]] Vs. [[Solid Snake]]==
While these two super soldiers are largely considered Playstation classics, they've found there way into Nintendo's big crossover. Both may take some stuff through cloning (Cloud has Zack's memories and abilities, Snake is a literal clone of Big Boss) but who comes out on top? Btw, they're both relatively mature for Nintendo titles --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 21:19, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
 
=== Support ===
I nearly removed this suggestion because I thought it involved an ''Ultimate'' character, then I found out Cloud was in ''SSB4''. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)


== Mites vs Tabuu ==
They are great characters in both ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'' so, let's do it! By the way, Cloud's debut game is ''Final Fantasy VII'', while ''Metal Gear Solid'' is Snake's first game. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 15:23, 23 August 2018 (EDT)


The smallest but hard worker vs the bawss of the bawss. We have too much "fights because they are similair" so lets try "Fight where the two are totally different". Like homerun bat vs sandbag![[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">ò.ó'''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''Combo God!''']][[Image:Lucas alive.PNG|25px]] 05:08, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
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==[[Battlefield]] Vs. [[Big Battlefield]]==
Pretty simple idea. Battlefield vs its big bro. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 12:05, 28 December 2018 (EST)
 
=== Support ===
Not a bad idea. <span style="color:lightblue">Everone123</span> ([[User:Everone123|userpage]] • [[User talk:Everone123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Everone123|contribs]]) 22:15, 7 January 2019 (EST)
 
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No contest. Big Battlefield wins (Bigger means better). Try coming up with something else. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:52, 3 January 2019 (EST)
 
=== Comments ===
 
== [[Luigi's Mansion]] vs. [[Dracula's Castle]] ==
 
Two locations, one being a haunted mansion in the middle of a spooky forest that is home to a green-clad  plumber, the other being a giant castle on the outskirts of Transylvania that is home to an evil vampire, both places equally spooky. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:56, 3 January 2019 (EST)
 
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I think another fun connection is Dracula's Castle used to replace Luigi's Mansion in PM. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 18:32, 19 January 2019 (EST)
 
This is my kind of battle! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 18:35, 19 January 2019 (EST)
 
Yeah both places can be considered scary places. It would make a perfect battle. [[File:George Jones.jpg|25px]] [[User:Corrin Fan|Corrin Fan]] [[File:Walls Can Fall.jpg|25px]] 14:25, 21 January 2019 (EST)
 
Seems like a fun idea. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
 
Giving this a vote since the current arena seriously needs to end already. Also the PM trivia is neat.<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 09:15, August 31, 2019 (EDT)
 
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==[[Bayonetta]] vs. [[Joker]]==
 
Both are black clad, gun wielding, Sega owned (well, kinda for Joker), DLC fighters. But which one will come out on top? [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)


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#We've had a R.O.B. Squad vs Galleom before, so I can't object to this. Obscurities are generally more fun for me in The Smash Arena. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">Toast</font><font color="darkbrown">Ultimatum</font>]] [[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|27px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|''<span style="color: silver;">Complaints Box</span>'']] 06:28, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
* Bayonetta and Joker are extremely similar, this battle could make a difference. [[File:Derekblue1SigHead1.png|20px|link=]] [[User:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">'''Derekblue1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">(talk)</span>]] [[File:Derekblue1SigHead2.png|20px|link=]] 09:54, April 15, 2020 (EDT)
#much too epic to oppose. --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 09:45, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#Tabuu can be hard, Mites can be really annoying. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:46, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#Sort of like the Home-Run Bat and Sandbag one we voted on. Last I recall, everyone liked it. What's so different about this one? ''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]'''''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]]''' 11:49, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


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#Tabuu: RE-JEC-TED! *kicks Mites* Mites: *dead* [[Special:Contributions/206.53.148.17|206.53.148.17]] 06:53, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#Who says the Mites are the crappiest?--'''''<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:PSIWolf|<span style="color:gold">P</span><span style="color:orange">S</span><span style="color:red">I</span><span style="color:#333333">Wolf</span>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">T</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">C</span>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">E</span>]])</span> 07:01, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#Dude. Seriously. This could be a one-sided match in my opinion [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:Meta+Kirby.jpg|23px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/KirbytheAmazing|'''Know my power!''']] 07:10, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#Very one-sided match. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 07:59, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


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I dont think this will be one sided. Some probably will said "tabuu sucks" and others says "mites sucks" [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">ò.ó'''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''Combo God!''']][[Image:Lucas alive.PNG|25px]] 08:18, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


== Sheik vs. Diddy Kong ==
==[[Mario]] vs. [[Donkey Kong]] vs. [[Pacman]]==


Exactly the same as the Luigi vs. Captain Falcon fight, only the losers square off. You heard me! Diddy Kong and Sheik currently have a 0-3 record. Which will finally win? <small>There is Peach and Yoshi if Yoshi loses this match</small> --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 06:39, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
All three are iconic fighters who were huge hits in the early 1980s, shoot projectiles, and are great at rescuing people. But things have been bubbling around Peach since Wii U, and there is only one way to settle things. Which will get the princess? [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 22:17, April 13, 2020


===Support===
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#Gives both characters a chance to get a win on the board. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 07:59, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#I'd love to see this wind up as a draw. God, if that vote on Luigi wasn't classified as half... [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">Toast</font><font color="darkbrown">Ultimatum</font>]] [[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|27px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|''<span style="color: silver;">Complaints Box</span>'']] 09:12, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#I like it. ''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]]'''''[[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]]''' 10:48, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#Who's the biggest loser of them all? --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:46, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#The worst of the worst face off. Yesh.-[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 12:01, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


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#???--'''''<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:PSIWolf|<span style="color:gold">P</span><span style="color:orange">S</span><span style="color:red">I</span><span style="color:#333333">Wolf</span>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">T</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">C</span>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">E</span>]])</span> 07:01, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
#Don't like it. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Ganbarimasu!'' 11:38, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


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== [[Trophy Tussle 1]] vs. [[Trophy Tussle 2]] vs. [[Trophy Tussle 3]] ==
==[[Pikachu]] vs. [[Lucas]]==


The three events in Melee that award you with the trophy you just fought on. Which is the best? --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:53, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
Both have the power of Thor. [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 14:38, May 09, 2020


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*Quick heads up, the wiki's Smash Arena has been discontinued in favor of the Discord server's. The suggestions should go there instead. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:15, May 9, 2020 (EDT)

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Forums: Index → Smash Arena → Smash Arena Suggestions


An icon used in notice templates. NOTE: Smash Arena is now on our Discord. Please take your suggestions there.

This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules[edit]

Posting suggestions[edit]

  • Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
    • Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game (or a batch of downloadable content) that has yet to be released.
  • If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
  • Check this list to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred 100 or more rounds ago. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
  • Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week (i.e. one every seven days).
  • Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
  • Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page.
  • You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
    • If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk probation.
  • Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

Voting and comments[edit]

  • Don't vote on your own suggestion.
  • Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
  • The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
  • Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
  • Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

Acceptance or rejection[edit]

  • The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
  • Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
  • Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
    • In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
  • If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
  • Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

Tips[edit]

  • In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
  • Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
  • While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
  • Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
  • The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

Queue[edit]

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue attempts to balance out fights so that specific participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

Show Your Support[edit]

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Template[edit]

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts: 

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

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Suggestions[edit]

Rosalina vs. Bowser Jr.[edit]

Two of the newest characters from the Mario universe makes it into SSB4. Both have chargeable projectiles which stop dead upon hit. Who will rule 21st century Mario? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:00, 9 December 2017 (EST)

Support[edit]

I think it has an interesting idea behind it. It has my vote! Crazy456Rhino (talk) 15:41, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Sounds like fun! Let's try it! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 07:33, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

I agree with Crazy Rhino. It's interesting. Why not. Blueflame105

Kind of an obvious one. TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

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Bowser vs. Bowser Jr.[edit]

It's the battle of the Koopas! The Koopa King and the Koopa Prince are a royal duo. Who will rule this Koopa brawl between two Mario universe enemies? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 07:49, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

It would be en epic koopa battle. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 19:59, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Sure, why not? TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

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I don't know. This seems kind of obvious. I don't think they're different enough. You're entitled to your opinion though. Blueflame105

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Villager vs. Rosalina[edit]

Both characters are fun and have a special move that can negate most projectiles (Pocket and Gravitational Pull, respectively) and are both fairly new. Both are newcomers. Who would win? What do you think? 72.133.91.93 16:02, 9 May 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 3:01, March 9 2018 (American Central Time)

Support[edit]

A great battle for me so, let's give that a try! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 12:15, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

This is a great idea. Has my support. YoshisaurusThe9th

Oppose[edit]

I don't really get the connection. TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

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Wendy vs. Lucina[edit]

The only unlockable females in the series. One fights to repair the future, the other fights to take over the world. One is driven and kind, the other is bratty and vicious. Which one reigns supreme? TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

A nice matchup in my favor. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Oppose[edit]

Just no. Please no. Also, Wendy isn't unlockable in for Wii U, and neither is Lucina, so that's driven entirely from the 3DS version, right? 72.133.91.93 12:03, 8 June 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105

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Lakitu & Spinies vs. Hammer Bro.[edit]

Two Assist Trophies from the Mario series. One throws Spinies, the other throws hammers. Which one is your favorite? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

It's a cool idea, so I'll support this. I would definitely vote for Hammer Bro. though. I hate going up against Lakitu. 72.133.91.93 12:04, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Oppose[edit]

Rematches are uninteresting in general, especially now that we're going to have 5 Smash games and now, there are more Mario based assists. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Comments[edit]

Not saying it couldn't happen as it was more than 100 matches ago, but discovered this same matchup with their Brawl incarnations in the archives. While I do like this matchup and fully support it, it does say you aren't likely to get a repeat unless people really want a different result or it was a tie. 72.133.91.93 19:06, 6 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Mario Circuit (SSB4) vs. Rainbow Road[edit]

3, 2, 1... GO! Two stages from Mario Kart battle it out in a race to the finish. One is from Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, the other is from Mario Kart 7. Who will take the checkered flag in this match? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 01:10, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

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Great Idea in my opinion. CaptainDabsalot Or The SavageCow 6/22/18 11:04 CST

ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

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Daisy vs. Inkling vs. Ridley[edit]

The first three newcomers announced for SSBU. Which noob gets the most hype? ...Wait a second... hasn't something like this been done before? infernape612 20:17, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

I mean... yeah. TheNuttyOne 20:42, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

ABSOLUTELY! Ultimate looks really good. Counting down the days till December 9th..... 72.133.91.93 22:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

The only time such matchup is valid. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Love it! That one is going to be awesome! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 13:07, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

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Kirby Vs. Jigglypuff[edit]

Pink. Puffy. Powerful. Wait, which one am I talking about? It's pink puffball on pink puffball in this puffball brawl. Both are floaty, pink, and overall competitively useless! Both of their up specials can hinder their recoveries, but can jump a lot (maybe too much) so it's all good. It's the ULTIMATE BATTLE! What's that? You say it's not? Well then, Kirby or Jigglypuff. 72.133.91.93 08:53, 22 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

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This match was already done in a lopsided result. Also I noticed that much of your contributions have been Smash Arena related and we're currently on a Red wiki status and spending to much time in the Smash Arena without contributing to the mainspace can result in an IP block (or probation if you're a registered user). ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 18:52, 23 July 2018 (EDT)

Comments[edit]

I apologize. I was not aware of this, and will refrain from doing Smash Arena things, at least until wiki status lowers. I have been attempting tobe more helpful on the wiki, but overall, I'm not good at it. 72.133.91.93 22:51, 25 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Cloud Strife Vs. Solid Snake[edit]

While these two super soldiers are largely considered Playstation classics, they've found there way into Nintendo's big crossover. Both may take some stuff through cloning (Cloud has Zack's memories and abilities, Snake is a literal clone of Big Boss) but who comes out on top? Btw, they're both relatively mature for Nintendo titles --Myth Myth Kirby.png 21:19, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

I nearly removed this suggestion because I thought it involved an Ultimate character, then I found out Cloud was in SSB4. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

They are great characters in both Smash 4 and Ultimate so, let's do it! By the way, Cloud's debut game is Final Fantasy VII, while Metal Gear Solid is Snake's first game. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2018 (EDT)

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Battlefield Vs. Big Battlefield[edit]

Pretty simple idea. Battlefield vs its big bro. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 12:05, 28 December 2018 (EST)

Support[edit]

Not a bad idea. Everone123 (userpage • talk • contribs) 22:15, 7 January 2019 (EST)

Oppose[edit]

No contest. Big Battlefield wins (Bigger means better). Try coming up with something else. --JackyBlooo (talk) 08:52, 3 January 2019 (EST)

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Luigi's Mansion vs. Dracula's Castle[edit]

Two locations, one being a haunted mansion in the middle of a spooky forest that is home to a green-clad plumber, the other being a giant castle on the outskirts of Transylvania that is home to an evil vampire, both places equally spooky. --JackyBlooo (talk) 08:56, 3 January 2019 (EST)

Support[edit]

I think another fun connection is Dracula's Castle used to replace Luigi's Mansion in PM. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 18:32, 19 January 2019 (EST)

This is my kind of battle! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 18:35, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Yeah both places can be considered scary places. It would make a perfect battle. For personal use. Corrin Fan Walls Can Fall.jpg 14:25, 21 January 2019 (EST)

Seems like a fun idea. Crazy456Rhino (talk) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)

Giving this a vote since the current arena seriously needs to end already. Also the PM trivia is neat. Supα Toαd 64, The Best MK64ToadCSP.jpg 09:15, August 31, 2019 (EDT)

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Bayonetta vs. Joker[edit]

Both are black clad, gun wielding, Sega owned (well, kinda for Joker), DLC fighters. But which one will come out on top? Crazy456Rhino (talk) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)

Support[edit]

  • Bayonetta and Joker are extremely similar, this battle could make a difference. User signature icon. Derekblue1 (talk) User signature icon. 09:54, April 15, 2020 (EDT)

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Mario vs. Donkey Kong vs. Pacman[edit]

All three are iconic fighters who were huge hits in the early 1980s, shoot projectiles, and are great at rescuing people. But things have been bubbling around Peach since Wii U, and there is only one way to settle things. Which will get the princess? Met3oR (talk) 22:17, April 13, 2020

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Pikachu vs. Lucas[edit]

Both have the power of Thor. Met3oR (talk) 14:38, May 09, 2020

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  • Quick heads up, the wiki's Smash Arena has been discontinued in favor of the Discord server's. The suggestions should go there instead. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 11:15, May 9, 2020 (EDT)
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