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==Cleanup== | ==Cleanup== | ||
Too many pros repeated, or just worded differently. So i put them together. (good character but was lengthy with no need to be). Each character has same chance of pratfalling. [[User:Phayz|Phayz]] ([[User talk:Phayz|talk]]) 15:13, 9 August 2008 (UTC) | Too many pros repeated, or just worded differently. So i put them together. (good character but was lengthy with no need to be). Each character has same chance of pratfalling. [[User:Phayz|Phayz]] ([[User talk:Phayz|talk]]) 15:13, 9 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
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new project, go read the new project for info. - [[Special:Contributions/68.158.116.134|68.158.116.134]] 01:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC) | new project, go read the new project for info. - [[Special:Contributions/68.158.116.134|68.158.116.134]] 01:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
I put in the pros and cons of MK. Doc King | I put in the pros and cons of MK. Doc King <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:64.252.128.121|64.252.128.121]] ([[User talk:64.252.128.121|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/64.252.128.121|contribs]]) 20:28, April 21, 2010 (UTC)</small> | ||
:The pros/cons sections were intentionally removed, don't re-add them. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 20:36, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | :The pros/cons sections were intentionally removed, don't re-add them. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 20:36, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Why not? And how come u always delete my stuff, I'm just trying to help with this site so don't delete my stuff or I'll delete yours! Doc King | ::Why not? And how come u always delete my stuff, I'm just trying to help with this site so don't delete my stuff or I'll delete yours! Doc King <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:64.252.128.121|64.252.128.121]] ([[User talk:64.252.128.121|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/64.252.128.121|contribs]]) 21:14, April 21, 2010 (UTC)</small> | ||
:::It was decided that having an attributes section was better than a pros/cons section, so they were all changed. Also, trying to threaten people is a really stupid idea that only gets users blocked. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 21:18, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | :::It was decided that having an attributes section was better than a pros/cons section, so they were all changed. Also, trying to threaten people is a really stupid idea that only gets users blocked. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 21:18, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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You know when you claim that MK is the best and you can beat anyone, except some of your friends. This means that characters have nothing to do with it, skill does. Your friends just so happen to be better than you. Personally I've beat everyone I've played, and I play with Ike. So does that make Ike the best? Of course not!! It just means that I have some considerable amount of Skill with Ike. I do understand how MK is first place on the tier, the people who play as him happen to have the best skill. If those people chose to play as sonic then sonic would be best, or if they chose to play as any other character then that character would be the best. | You know when you claim that MK is the best and you can beat anyone, except some of your friends. This means that characters have nothing to do with it, skill does. Your friends just so happen to be better than you. Personally I've beat everyone I've played, and I play with Ike. So does that make Ike the best? Of course not!! It just means that I have some considerable amount of Skill with Ike. I do understand how MK is first place on the tier, the people who play as him happen to have the best skill. If those people chose to play as sonic then sonic would be best, or if they chose to play as any other character then that character would be the best. | ||
He's the best man. I beat him(along with just kirby) to beat Tabuu. without dying except when he got out his wings....[[User:Malon Girl5|Malon girl5]] ([[User talk:Malon Girl5|talk]]) 23:29, May 14, 2010 (UTC) | He's the best man. I beat him(along with just kirby) to beat Tabuu. without dying except when he got out his wings....[[User:Malon Girl5|Malon girl5]] ([[User talk:Malon Girl5|talk]]) 23:29, May 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Okay, OFFICIALLY, according to the most recent tier list alone, MK is considered the best character in the game. That doesn't necessarily mean that other characters can't beat him. As previously stated, all matches, no matter what characters are used, come down to skill. My cousin is an excellent MK player, and my Toon Link is STILL better than him. Tier lists basically come down to generalization anyways; Mach Tornado, Drill Rush, and the Dimensional Cape are great for recovery--if you know what the limits of those moves are. By no means are those the best recovery moves in the game, simply because all of them put you into the helpless state. Personally--and this is JUST my opinion, as everything else so far has been on this page--Kirby and R.O.B. have the best potential for recoveries, Kirby because of his jump ability, horizontal gain thanks to the Hammer, and vertical recovery granted by Final Cutter; R.O.B. for the mere fact that his recovery keeps him airborne for up to about five seconds, which is a lot, and because none of his moves make him helpless. Regardless of all this, I'm still religiously going to play as either Toon Link or G&W, depending on my mood. Making MK the best character based on technicality isn't going to change that. [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 21:12, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Don't post on topics that have talked about for a month. [[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="green">DP99]]</font><font color="orange"> ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|C]][[User Talk:Dr. Pain 99|T]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99|E]])</font>[[file:dp99.png]] 21:16, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::You know, I thought about that before I hit the save button. The most recent update before mine was about nine months after the post immediately before it. I assumed, based on the excessive space between the posts on this topic, that said topic was still open for discussion. Now, regardless of the vibe you're receiving from this post--or any of my other posts, for that matter--I apologize for my flawed observation of this topic and will resolve to abstain from posting anything further on the matter. [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 21:34, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== PRO"S AND CONS! == | == PRO"S AND CONS! == | ||
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::http://Fortenium0.googlepages.com/MetaKnight-US-Nowmypower.wav Think this is fine to use here? [[User:Fortenium|Fortenium]] ([[User talk:Fortenium|talk]]) 01:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | ::http://Fortenium0.googlepages.com/MetaKnight-US-Nowmypower.wav Think this is fine to use here? [[User:Fortenium|Fortenium]] ([[User talk:Fortenium|talk]]) 01:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::How do we know this was said in the game? [[User:JtM|JtM =^]]] ([[User talk:JtM|talk]]) 04:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | :::How do we know this was said in the game? [[User:JtM|JtM =^]]] ([[User talk:JtM|talk]]) 04:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::This was in a zip dump of all sounds in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and all of Meta Knight's sounds were there, but this one was never used. Not only is it there, but you can't fake this unless you're the man who voiced Meta Knight. Plus this is the one game where Meta Knight has a voice actor, so this is not from a different game. | ::::This was in a zip dump of all sounds in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and all of Meta Knight's sounds were there, but this one was never used. Not only is it there, but you can't fake this unless you're the man who voiced Meta Knight. Plus this is the one game where Meta Knight has a voice actor, so this is not from a different game. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Fortenium|Fortenium]] ([[User talk:Fortenium|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fortenium|contribs]]) 18:40, 26 November 2008</small> | ||
:::::sounds like a victory pose. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 23:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC) | :::::sounds like a victory pose. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 23:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::::It probably was going to be. So, think I should put this in the Trivia part or is it best left off here? | ::::::It probably was going to be. So, think I should put this in the Trivia part or is it best left off here? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:71.67.168.133|71.67.168.133]] ([[User talk:71.67.168.133|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.67.168.133|contribs]]) 07:45, 23 December 2008</small> | ||
== WTF people. == | == WTF people. == | ||
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Dude I friggin love Luigi | Dude I friggin love Luigi | ||
Yeah, a-don't diss a-Luigi [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 21:18, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Main page trivia?== | ==Main page trivia?== | ||
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wow, there's a lot of critism... <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Malon Girl5 |Malon Girl5 ]] ([[User talk:Malon Girl5 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Malon Girl5 |contribs]]) 23:37, May 14, 2010</small> | wow, there's a lot of critism... <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Malon Girl5 |Malon Girl5 ]] ([[User talk:Malon Girl5 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Malon Girl5 |contribs]]) 23:37, May 14, 2010</small> | ||
==Techniques== | Guys, calm down. Why is everybody here either hate Meta Knight, or love him? Sure, my best fighter is Meta Knight, which may qualify me as a "Noob who only uses high-tier characters", but my second best isn't Diddy Kong or Snake, it's Ike. I am good with Captain Falcon and stink with the Ice Climbers. Who you use should be with who you're best with, not just high-tiered characters. If you really want to even out the tiers, instead of banning Meta Knight, you could embrace Ganondorf and try to build a good metagame for him. I'm trying with Ike at this moment. USE_YOUR_MOST_SKILLED. Period. [[User:Meta Ike|Meta Ike]] ([[User talk:Meta Ike|talk]]) 16:52, 17 February 2012 (EST) | ||
:Don't respond to year plus old conversations, especially those that violated [[SW:TALK]] to begin with. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:54, 17 February 2012 (EST) | |||
==Techniques== | |||
I remember all the fighters had a list of techniques on their pages. What happened to them? I was going to put them back but I don't want to cause controversy. The techniques sections were helpful. Meta Knight has many good techniques such as his pseudo-crawl and double glide. Does anyone have an opinion on this? [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 02:02, November 9, 2009 (UTC) | I remember all the fighters had a list of techniques on their pages. What happened to them? I was going to put them back but I don't want to cause controversy. The techniques sections were helpful. Meta Knight has many good techniques such as his pseudo-crawl and double glide. Does anyone have an opinion on this? [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 02:02, November 9, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Removed as part of the post-merge cleanup project, replaced by Attributes. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="orange"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="saddlebrown">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="saddlebrown">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:42, November 10, 2009 (UTC) | :Removed as part of the post-merge cleanup project, replaced by Attributes. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="orange"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="saddlebrown">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="saddlebrown">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:42, November 10, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Then you might want to check some of the Melee articles. If I remember correctly, Mewtwo still has a Techniques section (though miniscule). [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 21:20, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==I phail with MK!== | ==I phail with MK!== | ||
This is very surprising but I fail with mk. I play better with the other characters like Sonic and Fox. Doc King (no account) | This is very surprising but I fail with mk. I play better with the other characters like Sonic and Fox. Doc King (no account) <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:64.252.147.155|64.252.147.155]] ([[User talk:64.252.147.155|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/64.252.147.155|contribs]]) 00:42, April 17, 2010 (UTC)</small> | ||
:This is [[SW:NOT|not the place for babbling]]. And sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (and that only), whether you have an account or not. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 00:45, April 17, 2010 (UTC) | :This is [[SW:NOT|not the place for babbling]]. And sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (and that only), whether you have an account or not. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 00:45, April 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:No. This is not the place to talk about tiers. Tiers are proven to exist. Please bring this elsewhere. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 18:25, April 17, 2010 (UTC) | :No. This is not the place to talk about tiers. Tiers are proven to exist. Please bring this elsewhere. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 18:25, April 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
It's a discussion page smart one. You're allowed to talk about anything [[Meta Knight (SSBB)|MK]] related. Doc King | It's a discussion page smart one. You're allowed to talk about anything [[Meta Knight (SSBB)|MK]] related. Doc King <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:64.252.128.121|64.252.128.121]] ([[User talk:64.252.128.121|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/64.252.128.121|contribs]]) 20:28, April 21, 2010 (UTC)</small> | ||
:No. This is supposed to be a discussion page about how to improve the article. This is [[SW:NOT|not a forum]], go to SmashBoards for that. And sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 20:36, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | :No. This is supposed to be a discussion page about how to improve the article. This is [[SW:NOT|not a forum]], go to SmashBoards for that. And sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 20:36, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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There is false information (that has actually been here for quite some time). Falco's page claims he is the only character to have 50/50 match-up with Metaknight, while this page claims that Metaknight has a 55/45 advantage over him. One is incorrect and it should be fixed. [[User:Adroa|Adroa]] ([[User talk:Adroa|talk]]) 05:34, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | There is false information (that has actually been here for quite some time). Falco's page claims he is the only character to have 50/50 match-up with Metaknight, while this page claims that Metaknight has a 55/45 advantage over him. One is incorrect and it should be fixed. [[User:Adroa|Adroa]] ([[User talk:Adroa|talk]]) 05:34, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:The matchups are decided by each individual character's board on SWF. As such, we have inconsistencies like this where two characters' matchups don't add up to 100:100. I know it is retarded and both character boards should decide two characters' matchup against each other together instead of deciding their own character's matchup (who would tend to give their characters better matchups anyway), which often results in two different matchup results for one matchup, such as one side saying their character has a 60:40 matchup and the other side saying their character has a 55:45 matchup. But this is the only system in place deciding matchups and that is what we have to make do with. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 06:04, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | :The matchups are decided by each individual character's board on SWF. As such, we have inconsistencies like this where two characters' matchups don't add up to 100:100. I know it is retarded and both character boards should decide two characters' matchup against each other together instead of deciding their own character's matchup (who would tend to give their characters better matchups anyway), which often results in two different matchup results for one matchup, such as one side saying their character has a 60:40 matchup and the other side saying their character has a 55:45 matchup. But this is the only system in place deciding matchups and that is what we have to make do with. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 06:04, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
The only person to have a 50/50 chance against Meta Knight is Meta Knight. The only person to have a 50/50 chance against Falco is Falco. Got it?[[User:Meta Ike|Meta Ike]] ([[User talk:Meta Ike|talk]]) 17:21, 17 February 2012 (EST) | |||
==Just thought I'd stop by here== | ==Just thought I'd stop by here== | ||
Post a sentence and walk out it seems to be the trend around here. | Post a sentence and walk out it seems to be the trend around here. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:68.231.105.46|68.231.105.46]] ([[User talk:68.231.105.46|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.231.105.46|contribs]]) 16:53, 11 July 2010 (UTC)</small> <span style="color:red">'''--User was temp banned for this post'''</span> | ||
:Um, when did we start banning people for saying stuff like this? :/ This is a short, harmless comment from an IP who did nothing else. Explain, pl0x. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 09:53, July 12, 2010 (UTC) | :Um, when did we start banning people for saying stuff like this? :/ This is a short, harmless comment from an IP who did nothing else. Explain, pl0x. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 09:53, July 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::The comment may be harmless, but it was completely pointless and such comments are unacceptable. There has been far too much misuse of the Wiki's talk pages and I find banning someone whose only edit was this useless comment to be necessary. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 10:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC) | ::The comment may be harmless, but it was completely pointless and such comments are unacceptable. There has been far too much misuse of the Wiki's talk pages and I find banning someone whose only edit was this useless comment to be necessary. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 10:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:::::::::::The comment was in fact disruptive, as it was a clear violation of the proper use of a talk page. Any unnecessary and completely pointless comment that is clearly a misuse of a talk page is certainly deserving of a block. I saw the comment upon minutes of it being posted and immediately blocked the IP, preventing them from making a further mockery of this Wiki's policies and thus keeping it an isolated incident. Have I not blocked this IP, CHawk already said he would have and I highly doubt I'm the only one who's attention was caught by this post. You also said that I blocked the IP for "voicing their opinion", which I did not as they not post an opinion, they posted a comment that deliberately mocks the use of talk pages. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 11:14, July 13, 2010 (UTC) | :::::::::::The comment was in fact disruptive, as it was a clear violation of the proper use of a talk page. Any unnecessary and completely pointless comment that is clearly a misuse of a talk page is certainly deserving of a block. I saw the comment upon minutes of it being posted and immediately blocked the IP, preventing them from making a further mockery of this Wiki's policies and thus keeping it an isolated incident. Have I not blocked this IP, CHawk already said he would have and I highly doubt I'm the only one who's attention was caught by this post. You also said that I blocked the IP for "voicing their opinion", which I did not as they not post an opinion, they posted a comment that deliberately mocks the use of talk pages. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 11:14, July 13, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::::::::::He wasn't "voicing his opinion," he was openly mocking this site. Considering that he knew enough about how most IPs act to make fun of it, I expect that he also knows the policies. Again, there is no way in which we can assume good faith here. And as to when we started handing out bans for this, we started when I realized that things were getting to lax around here. People could goof off and wave AGF of YAV and get out of shit. They can't. Edits like this are actually more damaging to the wiki than vandalism. If we don't respond to things like this, then it gives off the impression that no one is administrating and people can do whatever they want. They can't. We have clear guidlines and policies and this guy broke them. Hence, he gets a day vacation. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 14:20, July 13, 2010 (UTC) | ::::::::::::He wasn't "voicing his opinion," he was openly mocking this site. Considering that he knew enough about how most IPs act to make fun of it, I expect that he also knows the policies. Again, there is no way in which we can assume good faith here. And as to when we started handing out bans for this, we started when I realized that things were getting to lax around here. People could goof off and wave AGF of YAV and get out of shit. They can't. Edits like this are actually more damaging to the wiki than vandalism. If we don't respond to things like this, then it gives off the impression that no one is administrating and people can do whatever they want. They can't. We have clear guidlines and policies and this guy broke them. Hence, he gets a day vacation. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 14:20, July 13, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==A tad bit confused...== | |||
I understand the existence of tiers and find that the use of them, in my opinion, is entirely situational. That said, I have no qualm with Meta Knight being at the top of everyone, but according to his article, he has undocumented matchups against not only Pit--the one character whom everyone seems to be fond of fighting MK with--but with every single character in the G tier and half the characters in the F tier. I'm not by any means an expert on tiers, but to be considered the best, doesn't a character have to be proven to be better than everyone? Perhaps someone could shed some light on the subject. [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 23:18, July 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:As the metagame advances and new techniques and strategies appear, matchups become obsolete. The current matchup chart ignores any matchups that have not been updated/rediscussed/reconfirmed for a year by the people on SmashBoards. Also remember that even though Meta Knight may not have all his matchups documented, most other characters have their matchup with Meta Knight documented, and while they may differ slightly, they're still pretty similar. In addition, while tiers and matchups usually agree with each other, they have no technical relation: tiers are based on tournament placings, while matchups are based on individial attributes and matchup-specific techniques. Finally, even if a character has a few bad (or unknown) matchups, they can still be top tier since the rest of their matchups are positive. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 00:12, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::So if the matchups are, in fact, documented on other characters' articles, why aren't they listed here? Or is it something similar to the Falco/MK debate where no one can agree who's better? [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 01:32, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Each character's side has different views on the matchups. It's not always the other number.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 01:36, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::Okay, so how are matchup ratios decided? Or is there an article that details that? [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 01:42, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::The matchups reported here come from SmashBoards. Each character subforum has their own way of doing things, but the basic system seems to be discussing one matchup at a time until a consensus is established, which is then put into the main topic for that subforum. We have nothing to do with the matchups except for reporting them. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 02:42, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||