Editing Forum talk:Smash Arena Suggestions

==No repeat matches==
Seeing how we're passing 100 rounds, once suggestions open again, I think we should allow repeat matches, as long as they happened at least 100 rounds ago. Such match ups occurred so long ago, where the active userbase was different than today, and the Smash Arena was less active with different voting rules, it would be interesting to see how these matches would play out now. It would also give those who missed out on those match ups a chance to vote on those matches. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:32, 18 August 2011 (EDT)
:I approve of this and will allow it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomprehensible 20:43, 19 August 2011 (EDT)

== "If there are already 10 open suggestions" ==

I suggest we make this a strict rule, rather than a mere recommendation, as plenty of users are ignoring it. Right now, we have a page with 18 suggestions, and that is over 70 kb in size, while growing. Such a large page could prevent users from discussing on it, as well as prevent some users from voicing their view on the suggesitons. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:04, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
:Is it ok that 15 suggestions per page is the max. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|lolz]] [[File:PikachuHeadSSBB.png|19px]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Airbore]] 19:18, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
::I say 10 would be more preferable, considering how even at 10, we'll be surpassing well beyond 32 kb. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:32, 24 August 2011 (EDT)

Personally I'm fine with the current system. My opinion is that it's self-balancing - having a lot of suggestions at once means suggestions will be closed more often for longer perioids. If the suggesters want to blow themselves out and close suggestions in a week or two, that's fine with me. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Honcho 19:51, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
:My concern though, is how large the page gets when there is no definite limit to suggestions at a time, which can prevent some people from commenting on the suggestions. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:58, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
::Maybe Toomai should just remove some. Many have all the votes they're going to get. '''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=lime>Ƌ<font color=#00DC00>o<font color=#00A500>ӄ<font color=#006E00>ԏ<font color=#003700>o<font color=black>яΠ</font>ɛ</font>ə</font>и</font>9</font>9</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 22:11, 24 August 2011 (EDT)

== When will suggestions reopen? ==

I have a really cool idea for a future match, so when will suggestions reopen so I can post it? [[Special:Contributions/92.28.204.35|92.28.204.35]] 03:29, 28 November 2011 (EST)
:About a month from now, it looks like. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Yellow 06:42, 28 November 2011 (EST)

Now when will they reopen? [[Special:Contributions/117.254.216.172|117.254.216.172]] 01:04, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
:1-2 months from now. However, please remember that SSB Wiki is not just the Smash Arena. Do not edit SSB Wiki just for the sake of editing Smash Arena. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 01:20, 23 June 2012 (EDT)

== Do me a favor ==
I will forget. Next time the suggestions open, post Olimar vs Ice Climbers for me and give me credit. They both never fight alone :^D [[User:Pokémonultimate|<font color="red">'''Pokémon'''</font>]][[User talk:Pokémonultimate|<font color="blue">'''ultimate'''</font>]] [[File:ToonLinkHeadSSBB.png|20px]] ''The Hero of '''WIN'''ds'' 20:00, 18 January 2012 (EST)

== Multiple ==

As you can see, I've posted a suggestion already, but I have another idea. So are we allowed to make multiple suggestions, and if so, what's the maximum? [[User:King KirbyD|<font color="Gold">'''King'''</font>]] [[User talk:King KirbyD|<font color="Pink">'''Kirby'''</font>'''D''']] [[File:KingKirbyD.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/King KirbyD]]  23:19, 18 April 2012 (EDT)
:You can post multiple suggestions, but you must wait a week between each one, and you should reconsider if there are already a lot of open suggestions. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Chilled 23:31, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

==purging suggestions==
What happened to the suggestions? <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]]22:25, 25 May 2012 (EDT)
:If you mean "why were some deleted", then it's written in the rules: "Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted." [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Inconceivable 23:19, 25 May 2012 (EDT)

This forum page should be protected when you can't add suggestions and there aren't any to vote for. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 14:36, 14 July 2012 (EDT)
:Not really a point to that, and creates unneeded overhead. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Labbie 14:44, 14 July 2012 (EDT)

==Round 169==

Round 169 is shown in grey. So why is it closed then. [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  13:38, 16 July 2012 (EDT)
:Grey symbolizes something other than an empty round. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 16:29, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

I'm not going to re-open suggestions for a single round's worth of slots. I'll produce a fight myself for that week, or reopen suggestions slightly earlier than usual to fill it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Xanthic 17:39, 16 July 2012 (EDT)


==Question==
Where do I have to go to make a fight suggestion or vote on current suggestions? Also, will I be able to suggest for Round 152 once Round 151 begins? [[User:Supersmash4|Supersmash4]] ([[User talk:Supersmash4|talk]]) 01:48, 16 August 2012 (EDT)
:Read the page before asking about anything. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 01:50, 16 August 2012 (EDT)
What happened to my suggestion?[[User:Boo Buddy|<font style="color:black">Boo</font>]] [[User talk:Boo Buddy|<font style="color:black">Buddy</font>]][[File:Haunter MS.png|19px]] 13:41, 3 August 2013 (EDT)
:It's in the queue. When a round ends, more suggestions get added to the queue. And you should start a new section about this, since the discussion above is old. [[User:Scr7|<font style="color:#0000FF">S</font><font style="color:#7F7FFF">c</font><font style="color:#00FFFF">r</font>]][[User talk:Scr7|<font style="color:#FF7F00">7</font>]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/Scr7]] 13:44, 3 August 2013 (EDT)

==How much longer???==
How long is this suggestion going to be closed? It's been two months already?? [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  15:39, 7 September 2012 (EDT)
:When [[Template:SA Queue|this]] reaches 169. The SA queue reduces in length once every week. So you're going to be waiting a long while yet. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 15:42, 7 September 2012 (EDT)
::So it's not too long now before fights can be suggested? [[Special:Contributions/117.254.216.213|117.254.216.213]] 10:49, 11 December 2012 (EST)
:::Probably. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Non-Toxic 10:53, 11 December 2012 (EST)
:Well, the queue reached 169 so it's time for the suggestions to be opened. [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  10:39, 31 December 2012 (EST)
::When Toast made that post, there was no 171st round.  So it looks like you still have about a week still. Be patient and remember, [[SmashWiki:What SmashWiki is not#SmashWiki is not just Smash Arena|SmashWiki is not just Smash Arena]]. '''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]'''[[File:JH-Heartless.png|15px|link=Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123]]'''[[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]]''' 11:12, 31 December 2012 (EST)
:Ok. [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  21:22, 31 December 2012 (EST)
Apparently suggestions are now open again. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 00:23, 5 January 2013 (EST)

==Altering Combatants==

Supposed you suggested a fight and at least one person voted to support or opposed it first, but then comments kept saying that one more participant should be added, removed, or replaced, would it be okay to alter the combatants in favor of the comments? [[User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) 23:25, 22 November 2013 (EST)

== Official ban on Smash 4 newcomers? ==

I think we should make it an official rule that Smash 4 newcomers (characters, items, and other such elements) are banned from being suggested for the Smash Arena, until the game actually comes out and we get to play it. My reasoning for this:

*The relevance in a given matchup with a Smash 4 newcomer can change drastically by the time the game comes out, where the match can end up an incomplete or terrible idea. For example, someone suggested a Sonic vs Snake vs Megaman match, under the pretense that they're third party characters; however, more third party characters are likely to be added, in which case, we're left with the unappealling idea of redoing a match but just with an extra participant added.

*We don't actually know much about how these characters actually work in Smash, and thus these matches will be about impressions from short video clips and some images, or how we like the characters outside Smash.

*Many people vote on Smash Arena based on their own personal experience with the participants in the Smash games, and such people won't be able to give these matches a real vote since they can't have any experience with the participants.

*Such matches can be "spoiled" before they can achieve their maximum interest and relevance. By this I mean we can get a match and have it done but resulting in a landslide, before we get can the aforementioned experience and thus be fully interested in the match, but since it was a landslide, people won't want to do a rematch and thus the match ends up not getting a fair shake. For example, lets say we do that Peach vs. Rosalina match now, and Rosalina wins in a landslide. But when we actually get to play Smash 4, we find Rosalina to be a terribly designed character we don't like and wasn't at all what our impressions thought she would be, thus the match would end up much closer with much more votes, and maybe even results in Peach winning instead. But since the match was already done and it was nowhere close, people won't want to rematch it, thus "spoiling" the match.

So what do you all think? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:51, 19 December 2013 (EST)
:I thought the current wording of "the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game" implied past and disallowed future, but okay I can make this more explicit. The intent was certainly to disallow stuff from unreleased games outside specific circumstances. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Chronicler 17:22, 19 December 2013 (EST)


==Reopening==
When will suggesting stuff reopen? --[[User:TheLegendaryKRB|TheLegendaryKRB]] ([[User talk:TheLegendaryKRB|talk]]) 00:33, 16 February 2014 (EST)
:When we get around near round 233 which is sometime in May. [[User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) 00:49, 16 February 2014 (EST)
::Will this ever reopen??? --[[User:Myth|<font color="yellow">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 23:31, 6 June 2014 (EDT)
:::When there's only a few rounds left in [[Template:SA Queue]], suggestions will reopen. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is made in America  16:29, 7 June 2014 (EDT) 
 
::::This is never re-opening is it? --[[Special:Contributions/68.81.131.210|68.81.131.210]] 03:20, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
:::::Give it time, we haven't been doing Smash Arena because it causes a bunch of un-productive edits, which is bad in this time of massive amounts of edits, suggestions will probably re-open in a few months after most of the game is known. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 03:23, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
Now that the wiki is in yellow and that there's most likely going to be a new fight Friday/Saturday, can we reopen suggestions or should we wait a little longer? <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:red;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:green;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 21:00, 8 December 2014 (EST)
:I'd like to get used to weekly updates again first. The queue should have drained enough by then. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Xanthic 22:12, 8 December 2014 (EST)

== My suggestion. ==

Why are matches between smashers not allowed? [[User:Chilex|Chilex]] ([[User talk:Chilex|talk]]) 19:19, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
:THe rules state that all participants must physically appear in a Smash Bros game. We once had a matchup between Smash Bros narrators since they're part of the game. Smashers only play the game. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is made in America  20:42, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
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 Why are matches between smashers not allowed? [[User:Chilex|Chilex]] ([[User talk:Chilex|talk]]) 19:19, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
 :THe rules state that all participants must physically appear in a Smash Bros game. We once had a matchup between Smash Bros narrators since they're part of the game. Smashers only play the game. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is made in America  20:42, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
-:Here's a clarification: ''Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have '''appeared''' in at least one Smash Bros. game.'' [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  20:45, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
-== Queue Dates ==
-The queue dates have all long since gone away, should someone update them or not???[[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 17:17, 29 September 2015 (EDT)
-== Close Suggestions? ==
-I know there is no fixed upper bound, but might it be a good idea to lock new suggestions down, since we're well beyond the supposed limit of 15? <font face="Agency FB">Score[[Special:Contributions/ScoreCounter|C]]o[[User:ScoreCounter|u]]n[[User Talk:ScoreCounter|t]]er</font> 14:42, 10 November 2015 (EST)
-== Empty slots ==
--260 are empty. Is this unintentional? [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 13:45, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
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