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==In ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U''==
==In ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U''==
8-Player Smash is a mode accessible within the Smash menu. It is similar to the regular Smash mode, but it allows up to eight players to join, instead of only four as in other modes. [[Coin Battle]]s and [[Special Smash]] cannot be used in conjunction with 8-Player Smash. The 8-Player Smash mode can still be played with four or fewer players, in which case it functions largely identically to the regular Smash mode, with the exception of being unable to partake in Coin Battles or Special Smash. With more than four players, many stages function differently, and some stages cannot be selected depending on the number of players.  
8-Player Smash is a mode accessible within the Smash menu. It is similar to the regular Smash mode, but it allows up to eight players to join, instead of only four as in other modes. [[Coin Battle]]s and [[Special Smash]] cannot be used in conjunction with 8-Player Smash. The 8-Player Smash mode can still be played with four or fewer players, in which case it functions largely identically to the regular Smash mode, with the exception of being able to do Coin Battles or Special Smash. With more than four players, many stages function differently, and some stages cannot be selected depending on the number of players.  


In addition to red, blue, yellow, and green player colors for players 1-4 (red for player 1, blue for player 2, yellow for player 3, green for player 4), players 5-8 use the colors orange, cyan, purple, and slate, respectively. In [[Team Battle]]s, an additional team color, the yellow team, can be selected, in addition to red, blue and green teams.
In addition to red, blue, yellow, and green player colors for players 1-4 (red for player 1, blue for player 2, yellow for player 3, green for player 4), players 5-8 use the colors orange, cyan, purple, and slate, respectively. In [[Team Battle]]s, an additional team color, the yellow team, can be selected, in addition to red, blue and green teams.
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8-Player Smash is not a separate mode in ''Ultimate'', and instead, all Smash modes (except for Custom Smash) allow up to eight players to join. Stages are not restricted by number of players, and only a few stages have differences by number of players.
8-Player Smash is not a separate mode in ''Ultimate'', and instead, all Smash modes (except for Custom Smash) allow up to eight players to join. Stages are not restricted by number of players, and only a few stages have differences by number of players.


Players 1-6 reuse their ''SSB4'' colors (red for player 1, blue for player 2, yellow for player 3, green for player 4, orange for player 5, cyan for player 6), while players 7 and 8 have a switch of colors (pink for player 7 and violet for player 8). In [[Team Battle]]s, the yellow team can be selected regardless of the number of players.
Players 1-6 reuse their ''SSB4'' colors (red for player 1, blue for player 2, yellow for player 3, green for player 4, orange for player 5, cyan for player 6), while players 7 and 8 have a switch of colors (pink for player 7 and violet for player 8). In [[Team Battle]]s, the yellow team can be selected regardless of the number of players.


{{SSBU|Pokémon Trainer}} functions differently in battles with more than four players. In such battles, the Pokémon Trainer will not be visible, but their voice can still be heard. The Poké Ball and its energy effects can be seen travelling to and from the foreground, implying that the Pokémon Trainer is in the foreground, outside of the camera's view.
{{SSBU|Pokémon Trainer}} functions differently in battles with more than four players. In such battles, the Pokémon Trainer will not be visible, but their voice can still be heard. The Poké Ball and its energy effects can be seen travelling to and from the foreground, implying that the Pokémon Trainer is in the foreground, outside of the camera's view.


[[Ditto]] cannot be summoned if there are eight fighters.
[[Ditto]] cannot be summoned if there are 5 or more fighters.


{{SSBU|Joker}}'s taunts will not summon Morgana with 5 or more fighters.
{{SSBU|Joker}}'s taunts will not summon Morgana with 5 or more fighters.


===Stage changes===
===Stage availability===
All stages are available to play with any number of players. [[Custom stage]]s are limited to four players once a part of the weight limit is reached.
All stages are available to play with any number of players. [[Custom stage]]s are limited to four players once a part of the weight limit is reached.


In battles with more than four fighters (including [[Spirit]] battles with enough participants), {{SSBU|Final Destination}} and all [[Ω form]] stages are scaled up to approximately 1.5 times their normal size. Additionally, a few stages have aesthetic differences in battles with more than four fighters (stage hazards and other elements that affect gameplay are retained with any number of players, as they can only be turned off in the Rules, with the sole exception of the Blowin' Up and Kitty Cover microgames being absent from [[WarioWare, Inc.]] in 8-Player). For Ω forms, only the main platform is scaled up, and the background is not moved to compensate, so on some stages, the platform will clip into elements of the background, or at least get much closer to them than usual.
In battles with more than four fighters (including [[Spirit]] battles with enough participants), {{SSBU|Final Destination}} and all [[Ω form]] stages are scaled up to approximately 1.5 times their normal size. Additionally, a few stages have aesthetic differences in battles with more than four fighters (stage hazards and other elements that affect gameplay are retained with any number of players, as they can only be turned off in the Rules). For Ω forms, only the main platform is scaled up, and the background is not moved to compensate, so on some stages, the platform will clip into elements of the background, or at least get much closer to them than usual.


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|{{symbol|kirby|16px}} [[Fountain of Dreams]] || There are no reflections in the water and the platforms don't have water pushing them up.
|{{symbol|kirby|16px}} [[Fountain of Dreams]] || There are no reflections in the water and the platforms don't have water pushing them up.
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|{{symbol|wario|16px}} [[WarioWare, Inc.]] || Blowin' Up and Kitty Cover do not appear in the microgame pool.
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|{{symbol|fireemblem|16px}} [[Garreg Mach Monastery]] || Only Dimitri, Edelgard, Claude, Flayn, Seteth, and Rhea appear.
|{{symbol|fireemblem|16px}} [[Garreg Mach Monastery]] || Only Dimitri, Edelgard, Claude, Flayn, Seteth, and Rhea appear.
|-
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|{{symbol|fatalfury|16px}} [[King of Fighters Stadium]] || There are no cameos in the stage.
|{{symbol|fatalfury|16px}} [[King of Fighters Stadium]] || There are no cameos in the stage.
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|{{symbol|xenoblade|16px}} [[Cloud Sea of Alrest]] || There are no cameos in the stage.
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|{{symbol|tomodachi|16px}} [[Tomodachi Life]] || Only 2 rooms have Miis in them, as opposed to all 6.
|{{symbol|tomodachi|16px}} [[Tomodachi Life]] || Only 2 rooms have Miis in them, as opposed to all 6.
|-
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|{{symbol|wf|16px}} [[Wii Fit Studio]] || The background does not change to a mirror.
|{{symbol|wf|16px}} [[Wii Fit Studio]] || The background does not change to a mirror.
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|{{symbol|tekken|16px}} [[Mishima Dojo]] || Heihachi is absent.
|}
|}


==Gallery==
==Gallery==
<gallery>
<gallery>
Match Start (Super Smash Bros. for Wii U).jpg|An 8-player match about to start
8-Player Smash Newcomers.jpg |On [[Big Battlefield]].
8-PlayerSSBU_1.jpg|An 8-player match on {{SSBU|Battlefield}} in ''Ultimate''.
8-Player Smash 1.jpg |On [[Palutena's Temple]].
8-Player Smash 2.jpg |On [[Gaur Plain]].
8-Player Smash 3.jpg |On [[Mario Galaxy]].
8-Player Smash 4.jpg |On [[Onett]].
Match Start (Super Smash Bros. for Wii U).jpg|On [[Castle Siege]]
8-Player Smash Koopalings.png |Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings on [[Mario Galaxy]].
8-PlayerSSBU_1.jpg|On {{SSBU|Battlefield}} in ''Ultimate''.
SSBUFireEmblemJPTwitter1.jpg|All of the {{uv|Fire Emblem}} veterans on [[Coliseum]].
</gallery>
</gallery>


==Trivia==
==Trivia==
*According to [[Masahiro Sakurai]], 8-Player Smash was [http://mynintendonews.com/2014/12/11/sakurai-talks-inclusion-of-duck-hunt-in-smash-bros-8-player-smash-planned-for-melee-and-more/ going to appear] in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'', but was "more than impossible" at the time. Notably, usage of ''Melee''{{'}}s {{SSBM|debug menu}} can allow for partially implemented 6-player battles, though this is only used for [[Multi-Man mode]] and certain event matches.
*According to [[Masahiro Sakurai]], 8-Player Smash was [http://mynintendonews.com/2014/12/11/sakurai-talks-inclusion-of-duck-hunt-in-smash-bros-8-player-smash-planned-for-melee-and-more/ going to appear] in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'', but was "more than impossible" at the time. Notably, usage of ''Melee''{{'}}s {{SSBM|debug menu}} can allow for partially implemented 6-player battles, though this is only used for [[Multi-Man mode]].
*{{for3ds}} includes various [[Unused content (SSB4)|unused elements]] for 8-Player Smash within its data.
*{{for3ds}} includes various [[Unused content (SSB4)|unused elements]] for 8-Player Smash within its data.
===In ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U''===
===In ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U''===
*Various stages unavailable in 8-Player Smash in publicly available versions of the game have been shown in official media with more than 4 players. Examples include:
*Various stages unavailable in 8-Player Smash in publicly available versions of the game have been shown in official media with more than 4 players. Examples include:
**[[Wuhu Island]] being shown with 6 players in [[:File:SSB4 - Jigglypuff Screen-3.jpg|one of Jigglypuff's screenshots]] on the [[Super Smash Bros. 4 Official Site|official website]].
**[[Wuhu Island]] being shown with 6 players in [[:File:SSB4 - Jigglypuff Screen-3.jpg|one of Jigglypuff's screenshots]] on the [[Super Smash Bros. 4 Official Site|official website]].
**[[Skyloft]] being shown with 8 players in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kERaZDelEYQ&t=1m20s official trailer] for the third wave of [[downloadable content]] {{SSB4|Mii Fighter}} costumes (at 1:20).
**[[Skyloft]] being shown with 8 players in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kERaZDelEYQ official trailer] for the third wave of [[downloadable content]] {{SSB4|Mii Fighter}} costumes (at 1:20).
**[[Coliseum]] being shown with 5 players in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMvgKqMWAlg&t=1m37s Corrin's reveal trailer] (at 1:37).
**[[Coliseum]] being shown with 5 players in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMvgKqMWAlg Corrin's reveal trailer] (at 1:37).
**[[Boxing Ring]] being shown with 7 players in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zrOI-pc6I&t=1m06s official trailer] for the sixth wave of DLC Mii Fighter costumes (at 1:06).
**[[Boxing Ring]] being shown with 8 players in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zrOI-pc6I official trailer] for the sixth wave of DLC Mii Fighter costumes (at 1:06).
**[[Wrecking Crew]] being shown with 6 players in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1JERhUoQoU&t=32m57s Final Video Presentation] (at 32:57).
**[[Wrecking Crew]] being shown with 6 players in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1JERhUoQoU Final Video Presentation] (at 32:57).
**{{SSB4|Final Destination}} being shown with 5 players in a [[:File:SSB4-Wii U challenge image R04C04.png|challenge grid image]].
**{{SSB4|Final Destination}} being shown with 6 players in a [[:File:SSB4-Wii U challenge image R10C03.png|challenge grid image]].
**Final Destination being shown with 6 players in another [[:File:SSB4-Wii U challenge image R10C03.png|challenge grid image]].
***It is unknown what exactly dictates why some stages are playable and some aren't, as a smaller stage like [[Smashville]] is playable but a larger stage like [[Boxing Ring]] is not.
*The normal versions of Flat Zone X, Pac-Land, and Skyworld are the only stages without a maximum limit of 4 or 8 players (6).
*The normal versions of Flat Zone X, Pac-Land, and Skyworld are the only stages without a maximum limit of 4 or 8 players (6).
*While Ω forms of stages are available in 8-Player Smash, {{SSB4|Final Destination}} itself cannot be selected in 8-Player Smash.  
*While Ω forms of stages are available in 8-Player Smash, {{SSB4|Final Destination}} itself cannot be selected in 8-Player Smash. This is likely due to the visual-intensiveness of the stage's background animations.
*After the 1.0.8 update, players no longer have to select a separate page for Ω forms and can now simply press a button on the controller for the Ω version, like in a normal Smash. This means that the blue stage select color scheme previously used for the Ω form page is now unused.
*After the 1.0.8 update, players no longer have to select a separate page for Ω forms and can now simply press a button on the controller for the Ω version, like in a normal Smash. This means that the blue stage select color scheme previously used for the Ω form page is now unused.
*Every familiar stage in ''Smash Wii U'' has at least its Ω form available in 8-Player Smash. Only four of them ([[Delfino Plaza]], [[Halberd]], [[Port Town Aero Dive]] and [[Pirate Ship]]) have their normal form unavailable in 8-Player Smash.
*Every familiar stage in ''Smash Wii U'' has at least its Ω form available in 8-Player Smash. Only four of them ([[Delfino Plaza]], [[Halberd]], [[Port Town Aero Dive]] and [[Pirate Ship]]) have their normal form unavailable in 8-Player Smash.
**Pirate Ship and [[Miiverse]] are the only DLC stages in ''Smash Wii U'' that are not completely available in 8-Player Smash, with Pirate Ship being unavailable in its normal form and Miiverse being unavailable in either form.
**Pirate Ship and [[Miiverse]] are the only DLC stages in ''Smash Wii U'' that are not completely available in 8-Player Smash, with Pirate Ship being unavailable in its normal form and Miiverse being unavailable in either form.
*Through game modifications, it is possible to allow any stage or Ω form to be selected in 8-Player Smash. The stages are all functional, but [[Miiverse]] will notably cause the game to lag.
*Through game modifications, it is possible to allow any stage or Ω form to be selected in 8-Player Smash. The stages are all functional, but some stages (such as [[Miiverse]]) will cause the game to lag due to the intensity.
*The majority of fighters have separate models for 8-Player Smash battles, to improve game performance. These models lack fluid hand animation, instead using sharp transitions between different hand states.
*The majority of fighters have separate models for 8-Player Smash battles, to improve game performance. These models lack fluid hand animation, instead using sharp transitions between different hand states.
*Due to the fact that everything on Ω forms is scaled up in 8-Player Smash, stages with fog in the background have the fog visibly covering more of the geometry. This is most noticeable on the Ω form of [[Kalos Pokémon League]].
*Due to the fact that everything on Ω forms is scaled up in 8-Player Smash, stages with fog in the background have the fog visibly covering more of the geometry. This is most noticeable on the Ω form of [[Kalos Pokémon League]].
*Mario Galaxy and Wii Fit Studio are the only stages in ''Smash Wii U'' that have supported more players in their normal forms than their Ω forms at one point or another (this applied to Mario Galaxy prior to 1.0.2, and Wii Fit Studio after 1.0.2 but prior to 1.0.6).


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