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Hi, it has been long noticed that you aren't in the wiki's discord server, with how active you are here I strongly recommend you join the discord. Even if you're not interested in socializing, you can just use it to discuss wiki matters and report vandals. Most wiki-related discussion happens there instead of in talk pages nowadays, and it's much more efficient to report vandals and the like there instead of to the admin noticeboard, as admins can be notified immediately instead of waiting around for them to happen upon the noticeboard. Omega Tyrant 18:04, August 23, 2022 (EDT)

I'm not a fan of how discord is being used as a replacement for so many things, both on the wiki and the greater internet. If there was a discussion about an article or topic in the past, I can easily see that one happened on the wiki by the mere existence of a talk page but I can't reliably know that on discord. Needing to use a third-party program/website to see why a decision was made is not straight-forward or convenient for new users and especially not for readers who want to know the reason, source, or thought process for something on the wiki. As for reporting, a lot of vandals do no require immediate attention outside of the recent "goatse" vandal and "she who wishes to be named", in which case I can understand using discord. For the other, smaller vandals can easily wait for an admin to get off of work or wake up and I could complain about slow response times but I don't want to get too off-topic.

That all said, I may join the discord eventually just to stay in the loop or to tell others "I'm going to go through and clean/revamp the trophy pages/templates--be there or be square". --CanvasK (talk) 07:53, August 24, 2022 (EDT)

One should embrace new technology, and as is, discord just obsoletes the methods for communication wikis can natively supply in many cases; why wait days on end to discuss an edit on a wiki talk page instead of hammering it out in an hour or less on discord? Major discussions that absolutely require record keeping are still formally done on the wiki, but more minor stuff or just simple collaboration are handled much more smoothly through a real-time discussion format, like maintaining the "most historically significant players" sections would be much more cumbersome if done only through talk pages. And as for vandals not requiring swift action, any worth reporting most certainly does, which that kerfuffle on my talk page over that one IP certainly attests to. Omega Tyrant 22:22, August 24, 2022 (EDT)

Pardon the pedantry but, "new technology" discord ain't. Prevalent, yes. New, no. Skype, Hamachi, AIM, IRC, etc. It is another chat client that, by being built on Chromium (same as Microsoft Edge and Chrome), is easily multi-platform and doesn't require a stand-alone application. Anyways, on to the stuff that matters.

You don't need to sell me on how discord is useful, especially for "historically significant players" which would certainly spam Recent Changes, have tons of edit conflicts, and need to be archived almost immediately. It still doesn't alleviate the other issues of information being harder to obtain for curious readers, in which they may see "as discussed on discord" that I've seen several times that gives little information. Distinguishing between "major" or "minor" is easily ambiguous--if anything that doesn't have a formal discussion on the wiki is "minor", then that can include anything from changing a word to making Recent Changes unusable for several days to anyone who didn't filter the File namespace. And with all that said it won't matter for me at the end of the day, because I can say without a doubt that I'll be a hypocrite and do everything I said I dislike for the same reason why I'm responding on a several hundred watt text editor despite it being bad for the environment or why people continue to use endless-scroll apps despite them being bad for their mental health: I'm lazy, it's cheap, it's easy, it's there, I've done it for years, I'm doing it right now; doesn't mean I have to like it.

A vandal making one edit a day is not as urgent as a vandal making 50 edits in 30 minutes. Yes, a vandal is a vandal is a vandal, but the former I can deal with and go back to what I was doing and readers would be none the wiser whereas the latter is more likely to get noticed by readers and I have to drop what I'm doing to conceal it. I find it funny that you mention that IP as that one was reported several times, over several days, and no admin (which most were online at some point in that timeframe) managed to "happen upon" the board that was designed for them to notice. Shall I also mention the repeat offender that took over a month for someone to "happen upon" a page that should be in every admin's watchlist so it, at the very least, appears in bold on Recent Changes? I won't use the discord as my first course of action towards someone I feel needs to be dealt with unless they or what they did needs to be removed to prevent readers from being exposed to it, in part because of what I mentioned earlier and to have an easily accessible log of what happened and by who but to also highlight a problem that needs to be fixed and not covered by a fancy tarp. --CanvasK (talk) 19:09, August 25, 2022 (EDT)