Template talk:GlobalPR

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Why are we including unofficial PRs? Unofficial as in OrionRank and EventHubs. CookiesCreme 17:59, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

I added every global PR that I could find that had a page on the wiki. What makes those two less official than the others? If they are unofficial, we should delete those pages I think. Smore (talk) 18:02, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

By official, I mean the ones accepted for tournament rankings and the like. I believe unofficial PRs are fine since they do provide a different way of ranking, however I don't believe it should be included here since it seems like it's for the official PRs. CookiesCreme 18:08, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

I still don't know why some are considered official and some not, but if that's the case, should we make a separate template for the unofficial ones? I'd still like a navigational template for those pages you see. Perhaps {{FanGlobalPR}} Smore (talk) 18:25, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

A better term would be "alternate PRs", but the point is that they're still notable within the community, but aren't as widely accepted or advertised as the others are, hence why those ones are considered the "official" PRs. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 18:29, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Personally I don't think we should be including any alternate PRs. It's only adding more fluff to an already bloated template. As other people have mentioned, they are typically disregarded in favor of the more widely accepted ones. If we're going to vote on this, then I Support removing the alternate PRs. Pokebub (talk) 22:56, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Support, on the condition that the alternate PRs get their own separate template. Smore (talk) 23:39, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Oppose. I don't see why they should be split up or have to use two templates, this is fine. --Meester Tweester (talk) 15:10, August 2, 2019 (EDT)

This doesn't separate official PRs from unofficial ones. This may cause people to confuse which one to use, and even use unofficial rankings instead of the official ones. CookiesCreme 15:15, August 2, 2019 (EDT)

Maybe bold the official ones or have an asterisk on unofficial ones then? I don't think it's a big enough issue to split them.--Meester Tweester (talk) 20:32, August 4, 2019 (EDT)

I guess that's fine, but it does make the template look more complicated than it should be. CookiesCreme 12:17, August 5, 2019 (EDT)

Wait a second, I wasn't proposing to split the template, I was just wondering why we had unofficial PRs on this template (and even I ended up getting caught into the split discussion). CookiesCreme 12:18, August 5, 2019 (EDT)

Split

Gonna go ahead and bump this. I believe this template should be split between official and non-official rankings. "Official" in this case referring to what the community accepts as the standard rankings (PGR, 64L, SSBMRank, SSBBRank, PMRank). While the others have been recognized by parts of the community, the five I've mentioned are pretty much always the ones used (or historically used as in SSBMRank's cased) to compare players or denote notability. Support Pokebub (talk) 20:24, January 6, 2020 (EST)

Once again gonna go ahead and bump this. I have created a draft template for use should we take the splitting route. To reiterate, the rankings listed in this new template are not viewed by the community as "official". That said, subjectivity is a factor here, but in the case of ranking players that is inevitable. The only rankings that may have been considered by some part of the community are the Cloudhead rankings and OrionRank, but usually only during the time where the PGR has not been released. Pokebub (talk) 01:22, April 27, 2020 (EDT)

I actually think we should drop the connotation of "official" PRs and split them based on the organizations that compiled them. I guess that poses the issue of what to do with one-off PRs. --Rdrfc (talk) 05:59, May 19, 2020 (EDT)

Personally I don't think this would work because as you said, there are many one-off PRs. Additionally, this would effectively split the Melee rankings in half and cause the 2018-2019 SSBBRank to be separated from the other SSBBRanks. Pokebub (talk) 10:56, June 21, 2020 (EDT)

Bump #3: This should really start being voted on. It's been way too long since it's started. For a refresher, the proposal is split the "alternate" PRs from the main ones. The main ones in this case being SSBMRank, SSBBRank, PGR, PMRank, and 64 League Rankings. The retro ranks would not be considered main. It's pretty clear that the community favors certain rankings over others and we should recognize that on the wiki. Pokebub (talk) 10:56, June 21, 2020 (EDT)

Support, especially since this can get/is already extremely crowded. This also takes care of the Panda Global Rankings template as well, since that can be merged here. CookiesCreme 11:19, June 21, 2020 (EDT)

I should bring this up as well: should we add the WWR to this as well, or do we leave it for offline only? CookiesCreme 11:42, June 21, 2020 (EDT)

I think we should keep this offline only. Online and offline tournament are two completely different experiences. Besides that, I can see the WWR template being merged into a general global online PR template when MPGR Online releases. Pokebub (talk) 11:52, June 21, 2020 (EDT)

I support splitting off the unofficial / "alternate" PR's from this into their own template. As mentioned previously, even though this may seemingly apply a negative connotation to these alternate power rankings, the truth is that the community generally favours certain rankings over others. Their presence on this template may confuse readers looking for these particularly favoured rankings, and splitting will also (imo) lessen the effect of future bloat on this template. Acgamer28 12:40, June 21, 2020 (EDT)

Template status and PMRank 2020

As the last discussion on this template went cold 11 months ago, I'm now wondering a couple things about this template:

1. If "unofficial" rankings are to be removed, would there be a new template for all of them, or would there be individual templates for each organization which compiled them?
2. PMRank 2020 was released in January, but it isn't a true power ranking; rather, it is an unranked list of 10 players the staff believe deserve recognition. Does it belong in the template with the other PMRanks from past years? I'd say so, but I'm only one user. DarkFox01Once an editor, always an editor. 17:57, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

OK, my bad for not noticing the changes made. I'm still unsure on the PMRank 2020, as it is from an org. that's done official rankings, but it isn't a true power ranking. Perhaps that can still be a topic for discussion. DarkFox01aka Benjamin 18:03, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

I kept it in AlternatePR because it isn't technically a power ranking in the traditional sense. Wouldn't really oppose to it being on GlobalPR, but of course you'd need a consensus. Mark me down as neutral. Señor Mexicano (talk) 00:56, June 4, 2021 (EDT)