Talk:Mine / Craft / Create Block

Mining Material Order

I previously listed the material order, but saw that I haven't included a bunch of them. So instead, here is a link to a much more organized list, compiled by Meshima: https://pastebin.com/S3jB7Hkf Thecontributor22 (talk) 11:48, October 19, 2020 (EDT)

is this going to be included? This would be very helpful 8.40.206.72 20:29, October 26, 2020 (EDT)

Terrain

Would it be appropriate to make a table of which material Mine considers each Terrain to be? --Jumbods64 (talk) 13:46, October 14, 2020 (EDT)

Do you mean specific parts of a stage, too (like for stages with multiple transitions, like Pokemon Stadium)? Thecontributor22 (talk) 16:01, October 14, 2020 (EDT)

Specific parts. For example, Mementos is mostly stone, including the platforms. The red and black barriers that appear to block the blast zones off temporarily mostly yield dirt. Another good question is whether or not this info is placed on this page or on each stage page. Blackbrass (talk) 01:44, October 17, 2020 (EDT)

I don't know if somebody already did the same, but I actually went to the different stages and tested it. I'm currently converting it into a table format so it will be easier to view. I will show it in the discussion tab when I am finished.Thecontributor22 (talk) 12:24, October 17, 2020 (EDT)

Here it is.

Smashville: Wood (entire stage)

Stage/Element	Terrain Class	Part of Stage	Notes
By Stage
3D Land	Dirt	earth, yellow soft platforms, Donut Blocks, Flip Panels, red column, valley platforms, giant blocks, railed soft platforms
	Stone	Bricks, ? Blocks
	Iron	grated floors, Warp Pipes
75m	Iron	entire stage
All Battlefield/Ω version stages	Neutral	entire stage
Arena Ferox	Wood	wood platforms
	Stone	main platform, stone platforms
Balloon Fight	Dirt	all platforms
	Stone	breakable rocks	* Sometimes the stage can load without the breakable rocks
Battlefield	Neutral	entire stage
Big Battlefield
Big Blue	Iron	entire stage
Boxing Ring	Dirt	ropes
	Wood	ring	* Both the inside and the outside of the ring
	Iron	entrance platforms, light fixture
Bridge of Eldin	Stone	entire stage
Brinstar	Dirt	connecting blob, flesh poles, left and right soft platforms
	Iron	main platform, middle soft platform
Brinstar Depths	Stone	green lights
	Iron	main platform, floating platforms, protrusions
Castle Siege	Dirt	throne room
	Stone	castle roof, underground cavern
Coliseum	Stone	entire stage
Corneria	Iron
Delfino Plaza	Dirt	beach, grass, beach umbrellas
	Stone	soft platforms, stone pillars, building roof, Shine Gate, courtyard, walkways
	Iron	transitioning platform
Distant Planet	Dirt	main platform, leaves, Red Bulborb
	Wood	downward slope
Dracula's Castle	Dirt	carpets
	Stone	soft platforms, stairs
Dream Land (SSB)	Dirt	main platform
	Wood	soft platforms
Dream Land GB	Sand	Green Greens, Float Islands, Mt. Dedede, Bubbly Clouds, Castle Lololo
	Wood	Float Islands
	Stone	Castle Lololo, Castle Lololo
Duck Hunt (stage)	Dirt	entire stage
Figure-8 Circuit	Dirt	offroad
	Stone	racetrack
Final Destination	Neutral	entire stage
Find Mii	Stone	main platforms
	Iron	cage
Flat Zone X	Iron	entire stage	*In the Helmet layout, if Steve mines on the paint spill, he will use his shovel despite it having an Iron terrain class
Fountain of Dreams	Dirt	main platform
	Stone	soft platforms
Fourside	Stone	buildings, UFO
	Iron	crane-suspended platform
Frigate Orpheon	Iron	entire stage
Gamer	Dirt	soft platforms
	Wood	main platform, soft platforms, solid platforms
Garden of Hope	Dirt	main platforms
	Wood	stick, edge of stage
	Stone	bridge, china pot
	Iron	tin lifts
Garreg Mach Monastery	Dirt	Marketplace, magic platform
	Wood	Marketplace
	Stone	Marketplace, Reception Hall, Bridge, Cathedral
	Iron	Reception Hall
Gaur Plain	Dirt	solid platforms
	Stone	soft platforms, side of solid platforms
Gerudo Valley	Dirt	main platform, chasm walls
	Wood	bridge, soft platforms, chasm platforms
	Stone	main platform
Golden Plains	Dirt	main platform, brown soft platform, "treetop" platforms, mushroom platforms
	Iron	yellow soft platforms, scale platforms, Warp Pipe
Great Bay	Dirt	Tingle's balloon, turtle
	Stone	floating rock, turtle
	Iron	main platforms
Great Plateau Tower	Stone	entire stage
Green Greens	Dirt	entire stage
Green Hill Zone	Dirt	grass
	Wood	bridge
	Stone	checkered ground
Halberd	Wood	Halberd bridge
	Iron	hangar, floating platform, soft platform
Hanenbow	Wood	entire stage
Hyrule Castle	Stone	entire stage
Jungle Japes	Wood	entire stage
Kalos Pokemon League	Dirt	main platform
	Stone	main platform, soft platforms, ramps
	Iron	swords
King of Fighters Stadium	Iron	entire stage
Kongo Falls	Wood	main stage
	Stone	rock
Kongo Jungle (SSB)	Wood	entire stage
Living Room	Wool	high-heel, toy burger, toy cube, toy mouse
	Wood	floor, building blocks
	Iron	gold bar
Luigi's Mansion	Wood	ground floor, second floor, soft platforms
	Stone	ground floor, roof
Lylat Cruise	Iron	entire stage
Magicant	Wool	pink platforms, tomato, tree, Mobile Sprout
	Stone	Dungeon Man
	Iron	Sky Runner, octopus statue
Mario Bros.	Iron	entire stage
Mario Circuit (SSB4)	Dirt	grass
	Wood	racetrack, bridge
	Stone	circular tower, racetrack
	Iron	transitioning platform, island, "Mario Circuit" sign, "Mario Motors" sign, floating platform
Mario Galaxy	Dirt	main ground
	Iron	soft platforms
Mementos	Dirt	large wall
	Stone	main stage, soft platform, third platform
Midgar	Iron	entire stage
Minecraft World	Dirt	grass blocks, dirt blocks, snow blocks, hay bales, leaves
	Wood	wood blocks, wood planks, soft platforms
	Stone	stone blocks
	Iron	iron ore
Moray Towers	Stone	entire stage
	Iron	metal plates
Mushroom Kingdom (SSB)	Stone	brick platform
	Iron	main platforms, soft platforms, Warp Pipes
Mushroom Kingdom II	Dirt	grass, Birdo, Pidgit's carpet
	Wood	bridge, logs
Mushroom Kingdom U	Dirt	Acorn Plains, Meringue Clouds, Slide Lift Tower, Stretch Blocks, giant icicle, horizontally-moving platforms, water geysers, beanstalk leaves and branches
	Stone	Acorn Plains, Meringue Clouds, Rock-Candy Mines
Mushroomy Kingdom	Stone	ground, bricks, "?" Blocks, stairs
	Iron	Warp Pipes
Mute City SNES	Iron	entire stage
New Donk City Hall	Stone	ground level, building
	Iron	scaffolding, transitioning platform, floating platforms
New Pork City	Wood	breakable platform
	Stone	solid platforms, soft platforms, pendulum platform
	Iron	limousine
Norfair	Iron	entire stage
Onett	Dirt	grass, tree, awnings, festoon
	Wood	houses
	Stone	road, chimney
Pac-Land	Dirt	solid ground, cactuses, clouds
	Stone	rooftops, brick steps, rocks
	Wood	tree trunks, bridges
	Iron	fire hydrants
Palutena's Temple	Dirt	shallow water, grass, trees, clouds
	Wood	bridge
	Stone	temple, rocks, mini stage, rising platform
	Iron	spike-studded platform
Paper Mario	Wood	entire stage
Peach's Castle	Dirt	main platform
	Wood	soft platform
	Stone	?}}
	Iron	slanted platforms
PictoChat 2	Dirt	entire stage
Pilotwings	Iron	entire stage
Pirate Ship	Wood	ship, King of Red Lions
	Stone	rock island
	Iron	catapult
Pokemon Stadium	Dirt	Grass Version, Water Version, Fire Version
	Wood	Grass Version, Water Version, Fire Version
	Stone	Basic Version, Rock Version
	Iron	Water Version, Rock Version, Fire Version
Pokemon Stadium 2	Dirt	Ground Version, Ice Version
	Stone	Basic Version, Electric Version
	Iron	Ground Version, Flying Version, Electric Version
Port Town Aero Dive	Iron	entire stage
Princess Peach's Castle	Stone	castle, red/blue/green soft platforms, "!" Blocks
	Iron	circular soft platforms
Prism Tower	Stone	street
	Iron	advancing platform, soft platforms, tower
Rainbow Cruise	Dirt	obstacle course
	Wood	ship, obstacle course
	Stone	ship, obstacle course
	Iron	ship, obstacle course
Reset Bomb Forest	Dirt	ground
	Wood	castle ruins, forest
	Stone	castle ruins, forest
Saffron City	Stone	main platforms
	Iron	floating platforms
Shadow Moses Island	Stone	bottom secton of destroyed watchtower, crater of completely destroyed watchtower
	Iron	ground, soft platforms, watchtowers
Skyloft	Dirt	moving platforms, front of bazaar carpet, floating island, windmill, fortune-teller's house, front of Statue of the Goddess
	Wood	Knight Academy roof, base of the Light Tower, floating island, windmill, fortune-teller's house
	Stone	base of the Light Tower, front of bazaar, top of the Light Tower, floating island, Statue of the Goddess, front of Statue of the Goddess
Skyworld	Wool	clouds
	Stone	stone platforms
Small Battlefield	Neutral	entire stage
Spear Pillar	Stone	entire stage
Spiral Mountain	Dirt	grass
	Wood	soft platforms, bridge
	Stone	sides of Spiral Mountain
Spirit Train	Dirt	Coal Carriage
	Wood	Spirit Train, middle carriage, Basic Carriage, Broken Carriage, Multi-platform Carriage, House Carriage, floating platforms
	Stone	House Carriage
	Iron	Spirit Train, Armored Train, Dark Train
Spring Stadium	Dirt	main platform
	Iron	trampolines
Summit	Ice	entire stage
Super Happy Tree	Wool	clouds
	Wood	main stage, soft platforms
Super Mario Maker	Dirt	temporary platforms, main stage, soft platforms, railed platforms, mushrooms, ice blocks, Donut Blocks, Brick Blocks, ? Blocks
	Wood	bridges
	Stone	unbreakable blocks, lava	*can only mine lava when invincible
	Iron	conveyor belt
Suzaku Castle	Wood	entire stage
Temple	Stone	entire stage
The Great Cave Offensive	Dirt	grass, striped platforms
	Wood	rails
	Stone	checkered platforms, crystal area, Danger Zones	*despite being a Stone type terrain, Steve uses the shovel on Danger Zones
	Iron	minecart
Tomodachi Life	Stone	entire stage
Tortimer Island	Sand	ground, trees
	Wood	boardwalk, boat
Town and City	Wood	entire stage
Training (stage)	Dirt	entire stage
Umbra Clock Tower	Stone	entire stage
Unova Pokemon League	Stone	entire stage
	Iron	stairs
Venom	Iron	entire stage
WarioWare, Inc.	Dirt	entire stage
Wii Fit Studio	Dirt	entire stage
Wily Castle	Iron	entire stage
Windy Hill Zone	Dirt	main stage
	Wood	windmill
Wrecking Crew	Iron	entire stage
Wuhu Island	Dirt	advancing platform, Frisbee Dog Park, Wishing Fountain, Swordplay Colosseum, boating gate
	Wood	Swaying Bridge, boat, Maka Wuhu
	Stone	Wishing Fountain, rocks at sea, Maka Wuhu, Talon Rock
	Iron	boat, Maka Wuhu, boating gate
Yggdrasil's Altar	Dirt	shallow water
	Stone	main platform, soft platforms, side platforms
Yoshi's Island (SSBB)	Dirt	entire stage
Yoshi's Island (SSBM)	Dirt	grass, hill
	Stone	Rotating Blocks
	Iron	Warp Pipes
Yoshi's Story	Wool	soft platforms, Randall
	Wood	main platform
Stage Builder elements
Grass terrain	Dirt
Dirt terrain
Sand terrain
Rubber terrain
Denim terrain
Carpet terrain
Yarn terrain
Sponge terrain
Bouncy Rubber terrain
Ice terrain
Wood terrain	Wood
Paper terrain
Marble terrain	Stone
Lava terrain
Steel terrain	Iron
Bomb Block	Dirt
Explosive Block
By item
Rolling Crate	Wood/Iron
By Pokémon
Alolan Exeggutor	Dirt
Gogoat
Other
Fire Hydrant	Iron		*if on a Neutral-type stage, acts as a Neutral-type surface
TNT
Anvil

This is all the data I compiled from the different stages and surfaces. Apologies if it looks a little off. Thecontributor22 (talk) 19:06, October 17, 2020 (EDT)

Intense. You even got the player-made deployables, and on different stages. Maybe make the whole thing a template, so it's easier to place somewhere else? Blackbrass (talk) 08:03, October 18, 2020 (EDT)

I made some edits to the table. Instead of putting down Dirt/Sand/Ice/Wool, I put down "Class 1". When Sakurai was demonstrating Steve, he said the weakest materials would be called Class 1 materials, so I thought that it would be more appropriate. Plus, when the table is moved to a page (not sure if it should be on its own page, or one of the other ones), it can be stated that the Class 1 materials differ by stage.

I posted on this page that Meshima did some in-depth testing of mining resource order and included the link. Also, I am not aware of how to turn the table above into a template.

One last thing: I won't be able to do this myself because I have an emergency that will take me a few days to resolve. If someone could take over, then I would really appreciate it. Thecontributor22 (talk) 16:47, October 19, 2020 (EDT)

I attempted to put this on the page, but couldn't. I changed all instances of "Class 1" materials to their actual appearance, as even though it is only aesthetic, it is still notable. 72.219.72.215 18:01, October 19, 2020 (EDT)

What exactly was the issue in integrating the table? Aidan, the Spooky Rurouni 19:13, October 19, 2020 (EDT)

I copied the table from this talk page to the main page, and I ended up with an error message saying "Sorry, something went wrong. Please try again at a later date." 72.219.72.215 13:56, October 20, 2020 (EDT)

I think that's why someone suggested to turn it into a template; I can take care of that for you. Aidan, the Spooky Rurouni 14:50, October 20, 2020 (EDT)

Translations

The word "生成" can be translated as "create" in many contexts:

生成 on jisho

生成 on goo

Japanese has a different word order than English that needs to be translated, which would make "ブロック生成", "Create Block".

The Japanese words are all in the same form, nouns that can be made into verbs (and sometimes used as if they were) using "-する", so I've changed the English to all be consistant. For example "mine" and "craft", and "mining" and "crafting".

But this brings another problem on this wiki, the translations and how they're done is inconsistent.

On pages like this one, Marth_(SSBU), Peach Parasol, Ness_(SSBU) and probably a billion others there are translations where they're the exact same and probably unnecessary.

On some pages like Gale Stab and some others, no translation is given as it's the exact same.

On some like Wonderwing, Plasma Scream and some others, there are "Names in other languages" boxes.

On some pages like Diddy Kong and some others, there is a translation after his name and a "Names in other languages" box.

And some pages like Super_Smash_Bros._4 and some others, there is no translation at all.

Maybe we should make it so there are only "And on some like Wonderwing, Plasma Scream and some others, there are "Names in other languages" boxes like the Mario Wiki so we can put more detail and maybe an explanation behind the translations and translations for other languages.

An example where a "Names in other languages" box's explanation is better than a translation line would be Mario Wiki Piranha Plant and Smash Wiki Piranha Plant ChokalZeime (talk) 01:39, October 16, 2020 (EDT)

The wiki is already inconsistent with its integration of the tables. It's my understanding that the tables are to be used wiki-wide, but there are plenty of pages that don't use them (because they haven't been implemented). I was never the biggest fan of the table, though I find it to be a force of habit to have the Japanese next to the English (rather than a direct rebellion), and as the one who made this page, I can only apologize for that.

More to the point, however, while it isn't the most reliable source, 生成 was translated by Google Translate as "generate", which, while a bit lengthy, still conveys the same meaning that "Create Block" does, if you ask me. Though I absolutely do not speak Japanese, so I can't exactly say much on this. Aidan, the Spooky Rurouni 19:13, October 19, 2020 (EDT)