Talk:List of Copy Abilities/Archive 1

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Where should these pages go? Merging the copy ability pages to the inhale page would make the page too long, but I don't know what else to do with them. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 04:47, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

General Glitchery

Before adding a bunch of random information, i figured i would ask about its usefulness. In this game, presumably due to its primitive nature, Kirby's copy abilities never quite function as they should. For example, using Jigglypuff's Pound near the edge of a platform towards the edge can actually propel Kirby off of it (being able to travel surprisingly high distances if it goes off near the end of the animation), unlike Jigglypuff's, which remains on the ledge under all circumstances. Kirby can also throw Link's Boomerang through walls if he touches them, being able to hit players through the roof of Saffron City from the pit near the Helipad with absolutely no effort. Would this type of information go on this page or another? Oasidu (talk) 16:33, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

I think they would best belong here, since they aren't notable enough for their own pages and don't fit as well on the pages about the original moves. Toomai Glittershine The Xanthic 16:36, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

In that case, i suppose i'll put the information in the corresponding "Notes" sections and fill in what i know, and then try to research that which i don't. Feel freeto move it elsewhere on the page if you deem it necessary. Oasidu (talk) 18:47, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

Move this and related articles to "Copy Ability (respective game)" (with the 'a' in "ability" capitalized)

The Kirby games officially refer to the powers Kirby gets from swallowing his enemies as Copy Abilities, treating the term as a proper noun. Smash Bros., however, doesn't seem to have a defined a way to refer to them. The Kirby Hat 1 trophy in Melee, for example, only capitalizes the 'c' in "Copy" when using the term. The DOJO!! doesn't treat it as a proper noun either. Both contexts refer to Kirby's ability to copy another character's powers, not the powers themselves. That said, those sources can't be used as the be-all end-all. I think we should move these pages back to "Copy Ability (game)". Thoughts? Blue Ninjakoopa 17:15, 9 November 2014 (EST)

I think we should do one of the following:

1. As list articles, make them something like "List of copy abilities (game)", or "List of moves copyable by Kirby (game)".
2. As a subset of the Inhale move, make them something like "Inhale/Copyable moves (game)". Toomai Glittershine The Golden 17:57, 9 November 2014 (EST)

I like option #1, moving the pages to "List of copy abilities (game)". Rtzxy Reflect!!! 18:08, 9 November 2014 (EST)

I support option one as well. But what of the title? Will we capitalize the 'c' and the 'a' in those words? Blue Ninjakoopa 18:31, 9 November 2014 (EST)

Hello? Blue Ninjakoopa 23:53, 10 November 2014 (EST)

Since Copy Ability (SSB4) and Copy Ability (disambiguation) were moved properly, we should really move them with capital "A"s for consistency reasons. Rtzxy Reflect!!! 23:57, 10 November 2014 (EST)

I don't think they should be capitalized. Toomai Glittershine The Awesome 00:00, 11 November 2014 (EST)

Why not? Blue Ninjakoopa 00:02, 11 November 2014 (EST)

If Smash Bros. doesn't treat it like a proper noun, there's no reason for us to. Toomai Glittershine The Celeritous 00:03, 11 November 2014 (EST)

This may sound weird, but I personally oppose the move. It's not really useful, and we don't have to go by official media (the Kirby games, in this case) anyways. Plus, it's useless, considering typing it in with the "a" capitalized or not will wield the same result no matter what. But then there's the problem of consistency, as stated above, but that can be probably fixed. Rtzxy Reflect!!! 00:07, 11 November 2014 (EST)

Toomai, Smash Bros. doesn't treat it like anything. "Copy ability" in the writings I mentioned above refers to Kirby's ability to copy the powers of another character, not the powers themselves. In short, Smash Brothers's way of referring to Copy Abilities is currently unknown. You can oppose the move, but the basis of "Smash Bros doesnt say it" is illegitimate for the reason outlined. Blue Ninjakoopa 00:10, 11 November 2014 (EST)

"doesn't treat it like anything" That's exactly my point. If it were a proper noun to them, they would have used it somewhere. Toomai Glittershine The Obfuscating 00:15, 11 November 2014 (EST)

Them not using it doesn't mean they don't recognize it as a proper noun. Blue Ninjakoopa 00:25, 11 November 2014 (EST)

That's why I suggested above moving to a name that doesn't use the term at all, so we could skip all this. Toomai Glittershine The Cloronic 10:29, 11 November 2014 (EST)

"Lists of moves copyable by Kirby" sounds pretentious and unprofessional to me, I'd much rather see "List of copy abilities" if we were going to make a move. DoctorPain99 10:54, 11 November 2014 (EST)

But I strongly oppose the move, and instead, I think we should move Copy Ability (SSB4) and Copy ability (disambiguation) to their lower case counterparts. This isn't a Kirby wiki, it's a Super Smash Bros. Wiki; if Wikirby wants to call these "Copy Ability", that's fine, but if there's no other clear reason to capitalize the A, we're just going by our page naming policy.

I don't really find any of these titles good for the move (and I can't think of one either), but if I had to pick one, then it would be #2. Qwerty (talk) 11:30, 11 November 2014 (EST)

(resetting indent) I strongly oppose the move. Just because it's capitalized in-game doesn't mean it should be on the wiki. Smash attack was capitalized before Smash 4, AFAIK. PikaSamus (talk) 11:33, 11 November 2014 (EST)

Fair enough, Toomai. I strongly support a move to "List of copy abilities (game)". Blue Ninjakoopa 12:56, 11 November 2014 (EST)

We know the general position on capitalization, but what are the thoughts on Toomai's suggestions? Rtzxy and I are the only ones with established positions. Blue Ninjakoopa 14:40, 12 November 2014 (EST)

strongly support I highly suggest the combination of the 2 copy ability pages as well (though more the 64 pages together then all of the games as well, there would be way too many images for one page if all games were merged. Once it is moved, someone put a message on my profile. I'll give my input/64 comm input for the rest of the moves (especially Fox as Kirby can Short Hop triple laser or full hop Quad laser (Shudders). --LoS PPS KoRos (talk) 14:52, 26 December 2014 (EST)

Support. I always feel that capitalization makes things seem more official or professional. John (talk) 12:55, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

Support. Proper nouns are capitalized. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 19:41, 29 September 2015 (EDT)

From "Copy Ability (SSBM)"

Images

I have some images of Kirby hats:

File:Kirbysamus.png

File:Kirbyzelda.png

File:Kirbyyoshi.png

File:Kirbylink.png

File:Kirbydk.png

File:Kirbyfalcon.png

File:Kirbyness.png

File:Kirbyiceclimber.png

File:Kirbybowser.png--Wolf rulez! Playtime's over! 05:06, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

You do realize this was unnecessary -- just put them in the article already. We'll be aware you added the images if they're already in the article. HavocReaper 10:53, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Need the back of the hat trophies?

Why do we need these? As far as I know, we don't have the backs of any other trophies unless they are in someway notable... Serpent King (talk) 16:48, 14 April 2015 (EDT)

The thing with the Kirby hat trophies is that half of the Kirbys are facing the wrong way. Since we have other images on the page showing the unseen hats I don't think it's a huge deal, but it's also not a bad idea. Toomai Glittershine The Chilled 18:12, 14 April 2015 (EDT)

Alright, I'll do it. Serpent King (talk) 19:56, 14 April 2015 (EDT)

Move

Capitalize it. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 18:01, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

No, oppose. Copy ability is not the move name, Inhale is. It's the disambig and SSB4 pages that need renamed. Serpent∞King (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

Don't matter if it's not a move name. It's a proper noun in the Kirby universe, so it's supposed to be capitalized. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

This is smash, not kirby. Serpent∞King (talk) 20:06, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

Don't matter either. Example: Gale Boomerang is a proper noun in Zelda, and a proper noun here, thus it is capitalized. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 20:08, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

But Gale Boomerang is named in a trophy capitalized in Brawl. Copy ability isn't, or if it is, link me to it and I might reconsider. Serpent∞King (talk) 20:09, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

I mean we got it here: http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_SSBB_trophies_(Kirby_series) Smashedpotatoes (talk) 20:14, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

Smash uses both capitalizations. Either one is arguably official, so it comes down to "we should pick one for consistency" since neither is technically right or wrong. Miles (talk) 20:15, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

I'd go with capitalization then. Plus in the link you linked to, there's only one instance of "copy ability" as a proper noun not capitalized. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 20:16, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

Non Caps, in compliance with SW:MoS. Serpent∞King (talk) 20:18, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

Caps, also in compliance with SW:MoS stating to capitalize proper nouns. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 20:20, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

To further add, literally the only instance of "Copy Ability" being used as a proper noun and not being capitalized is in one tip in SSB4. All the trophies in Brawl, all the trophies in SSB4, and the rest of the tips in SSB4 do treat the proper noun as it should and capitalize it. So with the exception of that one tip, it's consistent all around, so that should be reflected here. Let's, uh, capitalize on this. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 20:25, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

2 things: 1) I am really tired of arguing over casing issues when there are more important things that need done around here. 2) This isn't really a quantity dependent situation, so saying that it's "Copy Ability" more often than "Copy ability" is invalid. Serpent∞King (talk) 20:31, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

Sure, it's still a proper noun either way. And even so, I'd say that tip is an isolated incident. If its capitalization was interchanged throughout the games and not just once, it'd actually be a legitimate argument. It's pretty obvious it should be capitalized... Smashedpotatoes (talk) 20:34, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

Let's just get some other opinions here, this is going nowhere. Serpent∞King (talk) 20:37, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

Kk. Hey everyone, put your opinions here! Smashedpotatoes (talk) 20:37, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

Nobody's really posting anything (as I predicted in my head), so I'll say that this is an issue of what is a proper noun. "Copy Ability" is a proper noun which refers to the abilities Kirby gets from copying enemies and other characters. Depending on the context, "Copy ability" can refer to the Copy Copy Ability (that specific Copy Ability is called "Copy"), OR it can refer to Kirby's ability to copy enemies' abilities in general (his "Copy" ability). So there's a distinct difference between the two formats of capitalization here. And just having all lowercase "copy ability" is plain incorrect. If we're going to look to a trivial isolated incident for a reason to do what we think we ought with this when all else (evidence and reason) points to the contrary, then I don't really know what to say. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 02:29, 13 September 2015 (EDT)

(reset indent) You need to learn that just because someone disagrees with you, they are not necessarily wrong. The fact is, both casings are used and are technically correct, so why not just call them "Copy ability" as a non-proper nown, in order to keep things simple? I do not care about the "Copy" copy ability, as it does not appear in Smash (I wish it hadn't appeared at all, what's the point of an ability he can do anyway?). The ability to copy enemies' attacks (AKA, the copy ability) is what the title of these articles should be based off of. Serpent∞King (talk) 03:04, 13 September 2015 (EDT)

Nah, I am completely aware that people disagreeing with me does not mean that they are wrong. That's a "no shit" sort of thing. You're getting to the real meat of this with your last sentence, though. It's ambiguous as to whether the article is based off of the "Copy Ability," as in referring to the abilities Kirby gains here, or his "Copy ability," which refers to the ability for Kirby to copy other people's attacks. If the latter is what this is referring to, then I'll stop arguing here, but from what I see that's kinda up in the air... Smashedpotatoes (talk) 03:11, 13 September 2015 (EDT)

See that's the thing, at the top of the article it says it refers to Kirby's abilities gained from copying. So it really leans towards it referring to "Copy Ability." Smashedpotatoes (talk) 03:15, 13 September 2015 (EDT)

At this point, I've already said all of what I wanted to say. So I'll just wait for anyone else's input. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 03:25, 13 September 2015 (EDT)

In the interest of getting things done, and due to the fact that I actually don't care too much about this, I move to Neutral. Serpent∞King (talk) 23:07, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

Makes most sense to capitalize this along with the others. Proper noun, and the article itself is about all the Copy Abilities. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 04:11, 27 September 2015 (EDT)

From "Copy Ability (SSBB)"

Move

Support. Proper nouns are capitalized. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 18:00, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

Support for the same reason. John PK SMAAAASH!! 19:36, 29 September 2015 (EDT)

From "Copy Ability (SSB4)"

It's not the same clip that was used in Brawl, and the words not said as clearly, but Kirby still mimics "Falcon PUNCH" 68.62.241.33 00:35, 5 October 2014 (EDT)

If you have evidence of this, then please do not hesitate to show me. Aidan the Gamer 00:53, 5 October 2014 (EDT)

Kirby's G&W Copy Ability

In one of the screenshots for Mr. Game and Watch on the Smash 4 site, it shows Kirby (with his G&W copy ability) next to him; however, unlike both Brawl and Smash 3DS, his eyes and mouth are gray. What should we put on this page relating to that? Aidan the Gamer 14:05, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Never mind, I stand corrected. Aidan the Gamer 18:14, 29 October 2014 (EDT)

Kirby's Final Smash

I just did a runthrough of the whole roster, and Kirby keeps the following abilities for his Final Smash:

• Donkey Kong
• Mr. Game & Watch
• Falco
• Wii Fit Trainer

Where would this information go? Aidan the Gamer 18:13, 29 October 2014 (EDT)

Maybe in the trivia. The Arnge I'm no rubble monkey! 22:09, 9 December 2014 (EST)

Wii U Abilities

I am taking pictures of all of Kirby's copy abilities in the Wii U version, with Kirby actually using them. Should this replace and/or supplement the images currently available?Phineas81707 (talk) 21:48, 9 December 2014 (EST)

I suggest you make a different table for how the copy abilities look in the Wii U version. If you're too lazy to do that then maybe you could just put the Wii U pictures side by side, next to the 3DS pictures. I wouldn't replace the ones that are already there, though. The Arnge I'm no rubble monkey! 21:58, 9 December 2014 (EST)

I can see this going either way honestly. For now maybe have a "3DS image" column and a "Wii U image" column. Toomai Glittershine The Incomperable 22:18, 9 December 2014 (EST)

Except... Something I just noticed though... not all of the original images are from the 3DS version... So that might make things a bit more complicated. Or did they just turn off outlines for those ones? I dunno. The Arnge I'm no rubble monkey! 22:21, 9 December 2014 (EST)

Images

4 of the images on the 3DS side are Wii U images. Can someone take care of this? BlueStreak Speeds By 22:42, 14 December 2014 (EST)

Power of copied attacks?

Does a copied attack the same damage and knockback like the "original" attack?
The article about Ganondorf says, a reversed airial Warlock Punch was a OHKO. I entered Traning Mode with Kirby and copied Ganon's Warlock Punch, then I tried to hit him with a reversed airial Warlock Punch. I only could OHKO him at the ledge, but it was impossible to OHKO him at the center of the Omega stage. Are copied moves a bit weaker than the "originals"? Or is a reversed airial Warlock Punch no OHKO and the article is wrong? Mariofan13 (talk) 03:31, 21 May 2015 (EDT)

It's not a OHKO. It can instantly KO lighter characters, but it's not a true OHKO. Now, that being said, I don't see why Kirby's Warlock Punch wouldn't be weaker than Ganon's. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 08:44, 21 May 2015 (EDT)

Okay thank you. The article says "so a reverse aerial Warlock Punch is powerful enough to OHKO any fighter", this is wrong? Shall I correct it? Mariofan13 (talk)

Reverse aerial, maybe. I dunno. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 10:28, 21 May 2015 (EDT)

I'm talking about a reverse airial Warlock Punch which cannon OHKO Ganondorf although the Ganondorf article says a reversed airial Warlock Punch OHKOs every charakter. Mariofan13 (talk) 16:17, 21 May 2015 (EDT)

SSB3DS

I'm guessing you're going to include SSBB and SSB4 screens for this page as well. If this is the case, are you thinking of using the 3DS or Wii U screens, or possibly both? I think it'd be best to stick with Wii U screens due to size and lack of necessity for using both versions. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 19:28, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

I think we should use both if space allows. Most copy ability appearances change very little from game to game anyways aside from the art style, which I'd say varies quite a bit across versions. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 19:37, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

Sounds good, I started Bowser's, I'm not sure if it'll still look nice with a 3DS screenshot section, but that call's up to you. Also, are you gonna capitalize "Copy Ability?" As a proper noun, it's been capitalized in both the Smash and Kirby series. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 19:45, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

Hmm...let me try something... Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 19:47, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

Brilliant. That's kinda what I was hoping you would do haha. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 19:52, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

Thanks. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 19:53, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

When this is draft becomes an article "Copy Ability" needs to be capitalized. Like it's not top priority or anything, but that's how it should be Smashedpotatoes (talk) 14:04, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Where is it capitalized in the Smash series? Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 15:45, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Every mention of it in Smash except for one tip in SSB4, I believe. There are also one or two instances of "Copy ability," which refers to Kirby's actual ability to copy abilities. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 15:51, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

The point's pretty much that it's a proper noun in the Kirby series, and it's treated as a proper noun in the Smash series as well, hence why it should be capitalized. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 15:52, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Understood. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 16:05, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Both capitalizations are viable and official. Some level of consensus will be needed. Miles (talk) 16:12, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

That's fair. If we're going by basis of quantity, aside from one tip in SSB4 and I think one Kirby Hat trophy in Melee, all of the official mentions, (in trophies, other tips, etc.) which are much higher in quantity, have capitalization. If we're going by logic, it's a proper noun in the Kirby series, and has been treated as such (aside from two isolated instances) in the Smash series, so there's no reason why it shouldn't be capitalized. Stuff like Arm Cannon, Super Mushroom, and Levin Sword are all proper nouns in their respective series, and are treated as such in the Smash series, all with capitalization. My stance is capitalize. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 18:27, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Alright

You're an admin, you gonna make this a page now? Smashedpotatoes (talk) 15:36, 3 October 2015 (EDT)

Just as soon as I look at the discussions on the current copy ability pages to determine capitalization. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 15:45, 3 October 2015 (EDT)