Forum:What's with all the hate on Dark PIt?
Granted, I had the hate but I let it fly by, and now I like him. Seriously, you should give him some respect instead of bashing him! Marioisawesome118 
14:09, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
- It's primarily because he is the laziest and least sensible clone ever. Exact same model, textures are the same except palette swapped, has literally only 1 normal and 2 special moves (3 if you count his Final Smash) that differ from his base character. Would have made way more sense as an alternate-name costume in the vein of Alph. That said, if he got actual changes to be different from Pit in a future update (theres no reason that his normal attacks need to have the same stats as Pits being that hes using a different weapon; only utilt, uthrow, and bthrow have reason to be identical. Being that two of the same weapon differ in stats in Uprising, theres also reason for their Guardian Orbitars to differ, and Dark Pit's power of flight being self-powered and infnite gives reason for their up special moves to have differences as well) I wouldn't really be bothered by his inclusion as much. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 15:16, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
- As a clone, Dark Pit's a freebie that cost almost nothing in terms of dev time, and is a good candidate for getting turned into more of a semiclone in future games should he remain in the roster. Clones are fine in moderation, and SSB4 has half as many as Melee. I find the complaints pretty weak in substance. Miles (talk) 15:20, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
- It get bad when you actually look at character inclusion merit. Dark Pit is a contender for most un-deserving character inclusion in the entire series. While I'd say the award for true most un-deserving would go to Lucina for being the second rep from a one single game that didn't even sell 2 million copies worldwide, and being a clone, and being the 4th rep for a fairly niche series that isn't that well known and has not sold past 10 million units as a whole, and there being a better and more unique clone choice for the original, Marth, known as Roy, Dark Pit is still fairly bad of an inclusion since its the 3rd rep of a niche series that hasn't sold past 5 million units, and is a clone. MarioIsTheBest (talk) 15:42, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
- @Miles, but for the most part, Melee's clones are pretty well designed and different enough from the original characters. Smash 4's clones are badly designed and just flat-out lazy. Also, Melee added its clones once development for the game was already nearing a close and the game was pretty polished. But for Smash 4, with the effort they put in to these very half-assed clones, they could have re-added Lucas instead, as Lucas is similar enough to Ness for this to have been reasonable, and not had to charge us extra money for him (or they coulda finished Mewtwo in time), or they could have spent time polishing up other aspects that were clearly unfinished (see Special Mode existing in Smash 3DS, but not being playable). DoctorPain99 17:16, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
- Pichu is worse than Dark Pit by a mile. Also, Mewtwo or Lucas would've definitely taken more work than Dark Pit or Lucina, since they have to re-work content from older games as opposed to existing content within SSB4's development. Miles (talk) 17:42, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
- If I recall correctly, Pichu has less similarities with Pikachu than Dark Pit has with Pit. Sure, most of them are nerfs, but they still spent some time on Pichu. It may have been wasted, but they actually tried. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 17:46, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
- Pichu is one character. That does not disprove my earlier claim that for the most part, Melee's clones are pretty well designed and and different enough from the original characters. (At least Pichu is different anyway, even if it is the worst-designed character in the series). Yes Lucas would have taken more work than Dark Pit or Lucina, but it would have been reasonable to add one semi-clone or finished up and already-in-development character instead of Dr. Mario, Dark Pit AND Lucina. Your post didn't directly address any of my points; it just kinda skirted around them. DoctorPain99 19:07, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
- I'll repeat something I've said before: "Let's have FEWER characters in the game, it's be so much better!" *Turns to look at side camera, shugs exaccerbatedly*. Whilst I do agree that Dark Pit is a really lazy clone, and do agree that he cound be changed in some ways to Luigify him: One, he is BY NATURE a flawed clone of Pit. So the way he actually moves can't be changed much. (Although, I do agree with the changing weapons thing.) Two, in reference to his PoF being self-powered... er... the Guidance Dialogues basically reveal this is post-game... when DP lost his PoF. I know, picky, but I have to say it. And, finally, programming is NOT EASY, and I've only worked with High-Level Languages. (For those of you in the UK, those Barclay adverts, showing those kids do "code"? That's Scratch, and it's like comparing the reheating of ready meals to actually cooking.) What, with some of us lot (the fanbase) moaning about both the roster size AND the release date, we did kinda put them between a rock and a hard place. *sigh* Game Dev's should NOT put themselves on a time limit. ScoreCounter 05:15, 4 April 2015 (EDT)
- Still, Dark Pit's 4 changes were because of time constraints, let's just be grateful, and stop bashing him. All you need to stop calling him lazy and dumb, and just be satisfied with him. PERIOD. Marioisawesome118
11:55, 6 April 2015 (EDT)
- No, we don't. If they didn't have proper time to do him justice (they obviously didn't), they should have just had him as an alt. costume and spent his development time on polishing all of the other aspects of the game that are clearly in need of polish. DoctorPain99 12:03, 6 April 2015 (EDT)
- Pichu is one character. That does not disprove my earlier claim that for the most part, Melee's clones are pretty well designed and and different enough from the original characters. (At least Pichu is different anyway, even if it is the worst-designed character in the series). Yes Lucas would have taken more work than Dark Pit or Lucina, but it would have been reasonable to add one semi-clone or finished up and already-in-development character instead of Dr. Mario, Dark Pit AND Lucina. Your post didn't directly address any of my points; it just kinda skirted around them. DoctorPain99 19:07, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
- If I recall correctly, Pichu has less similarities with Pikachu than Dark Pit has with Pit. Sure, most of them are nerfs, but they still spent some time on Pichu. It may have been wasted, but they actually tried. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 17:46, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
- It get bad when you actually look at character inclusion merit. Dark Pit is a contender for most un-deserving character inclusion in the entire series. While I'd say the award for true most un-deserving would go to Lucina for being the second rep from a one single game that didn't even sell 2 million copies worldwide, and being a clone, and being the 4th rep for a fairly niche series that isn't that well known and has not sold past 10 million units as a whole, and there being a better and more unique clone choice for the original, Marth, known as Roy, Dark Pit is still fairly bad of an inclusion since its the 3rd rep of a niche series that hasn't sold past 5 million units, and is a clone. MarioIsTheBest (talk) 15:42, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
- As a clone, Dark Pit's a freebie that cost almost nothing in terms of dev time, and is a good candidate for getting turned into more of a semiclone in future games should he remain in the roster. Clones are fine in moderation, and SSB4 has half as many as Melee. I find the complaints pretty weak in substance. Miles (talk) 15:20, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
(Reset indent) As an old saying goes, "Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes." This could also apply to playable characters. As for Dark Pit himself, I liked him since he was introduced in Uprising, and his inclusion in Smash did not sway my opinion about him. In fact, he's my most played character in Smash. Remember, folks, clone characters have feelings, too. Berrenta (talk) 14:09, 6 April 2015 (EDT)