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::For stage platforms, I would say yes as they are apart of the stage itself as a mechanic on it, just like the [[King of Red Lions]] on the [[Pirate Ship]], so they would fall under number 4. In the case for Poké Floats, it would gave pages to Psyduck, Slowpoke, Wooper, Sudowoodo, Seel, Lickitung, and Geodude. As for Mii costumes, it seems like they fall under Number 6 of the proposed rules. So as disappointing as it is, Mii costumes, like Chocobo, Lloyd, Ribbon-Girl, and Heihachi Mishima, probably won't get pages. [[Special:Contributions/47.199.39.81|47.199.39.81]] 04:13, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
::For stage platforms, I would say yes as they are apart of the stage itself as a mechanic on it, just like the [[King of Red Lions]] on the [[Pirate Ship]], so they would fall under number 4. In the case for Poké Floats, it would gave pages to Psyduck, Slowpoke, Wooper, Sudowoodo, Seel, Lickitung, and Geodude. As for Mii costumes, it seems like they fall under Number 6 of the proposed rules. So as disappointing as it is, Mii costumes, like Chocobo, Lloyd, Ribbon-Girl, and Heihachi Mishima, probably won't get pages. [[Special:Contributions/47.199.39.81|47.199.39.81]] 04:13, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
:::If so, whether the [[Toad]] has a page or not depends on how we deal with the move characters.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 04:35, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
:::If so, whether the [[Toad]] has a page or not depends on how we deal with the move characters.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 04:35, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
::::If Toad did not receive his own page, I know it would still cover his cameos in trophies, stickers, and spirits (all of which would be moved to the character page), but would his appearances in Melee’s Adventure Mode and as a Mii costume be covered? It doesn’t seem like those two appearances would make sense to be covered on a move page. Toad is part of the move set of Peach, and now Daisy, so he falls under number 2 of the proposed rules, which means he would keep his page. [[Special:Contributions/47.199.39.81|47.199.39.81]] 05:20, July 30, 2019 (EDT)

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Forums: Index Proposals Character pages
Proposed.png This discussion is in regards to a proposed change on SmashWiki. The discussion must first meet with a consensus before it is implemented.

Recently, there has been some debate as to whether or not Navi from The Legend of Zelda and Slime from Dragon Quest are worthy of their pages. In the discussion, it was also argued that characters such as Link's pig from Wind Waker, the fairies from Wind Waker, and the Horned Dynastid from Animal Crossing (potentially among other options) should get their own pages, as a character in a victory pose is as much a part of a character's portrayal in Smash as a character in a taunt (which is entirely a part of their moveset). In the same discussion, it was also brought up how Rush and Beat from Mega Man, Lloid from Animal Crossing, and the Phantom from Phantom Hourglass have their own pages, while F.L.U.D.D. and the Wild Gunman only have pages for their appearances as a move. Previously, there were also discussions about whether or not a costume counted as a full appearance, and with it, the question of "why do Mii Fighter costume characters get pages?" was brought up. With all of this being said, I think it should finally be laid down exactly which characters, based on their appearances in Smash, should get pages.

I would like to lay down the following claims:

  1. Obviously, first and foremost, a character that's playable in the game or comes from an assisting item, like the Assist Trophy or the Poké Balls, gets a page. I know we are all basically in agreement on this, but I'm honestly just mentioning this as a formality, so that there's a solid list that we can work off of.
  2. If a character makes an appearance within a moveset, then they should get a page.
    However, if a character simply acts as the move itself, rather than actually assisting in the attack, then the page detailing the move in question would suffice. For an example, Rush Coil would perfectly be fine to describe Rush and his origins within the Mega Man series, but because Chain Attack is based on the mechanic from Xenoblade Chronicles rather than at least one specific character in question, then the page for Chain Attack would describe the mechanic itself, and the characters that cameo within the attack would get their own pages describing themselves.
  3. If a character appears within a moveset outside of an attack, such as a taunt or a victory pose, then they should get a page.
    However, if a non-playable character is simply present for aesthetic purposes, such as Azurda appearing in Rex's hoodie or Munchie appearing in Eight's pocket, then they should not get a page, as it is simply an aesthetic crowd-pleaser cameo, and does not add anything major to the character itself.
  4. If a character is present as a mechanic in a stage, such as a boss or a hazard, then they should get a page. Minor background cameos should not get pages.
  5. If a character is present as a mechanic in a mode, such as an enemy in the single-player modes like Subspace or Smash Run, or as an assistant in Smash Tour, then they should get a page.
  6. Other characters that appear as trophies, stickers, spirits, and any other unlisted cameo do not get special character pages, though if they appear multiple times throughout the series, then they are viable to get a disambiguation page that links to the character's series' trophy, sticker, and/or spirit list(s), along with, should they appear as a stage cameo, a link to the stage they cameo in.
    As a side note, if they don't have a full page (as in, just a disambiguation page), then this template should link to their interwiki pages, rather than the disambiguation page.

I am not going to declare these as new rules; I am simply proposing them, based on the current state of discussions being held on the Navi talk page. They are thoughts that occurred to me as I was writing my most recent comment (at the time of this writing), and, as I would like to come to a conclusion as much as the rest of us would, I figured this would be the best course of action. Feel free to discuss. Aidan, the Rurouni 22:13, July 29, 2019 (EDT)

I'm still not feeling the Smash Tour assistant pages; they're not the actual character in question, just trophies that give little bonuses. They're basically equivalent to spirits, and shouldn't be treated as more than that. Other than that, I thiiiink these rules are pretty solid. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 23:01, July 29, 2019 (EDT)
I can see that, given how they're essentially the same as overworld spirits. We could potentially give overworld spirits pages, or we could not have Smash Tour items as pages, but it can't be "one but not the other". Aidan, the Rurouni 23:40, July 29, 2019 (EDT)
I'd lean towards a "List of Smash Tour items" page. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 02:38, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
What about the Smash Tour enemies? If they can be seen as real enemies, Smash Tour items can also be seen as items.--Capstalker (talk) 03:34, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
If we're talking only about the enemies in Smash Tour, then that would only give the Iridescent Glint Beetle, Reaper & Reapette, Souflee, and Tac pages as all the others had pages for being stage hazards or Poke Ball Pokemon. Because of Ultimate, the only pages granted by being Tour Items are Dixie Kong, Energy Tank, Plasm Wraith, Ghosts (Luigi's Mansion), and Tetra. If we're talking about enemies in Smash Run, it gives pages to a whole lot more characters, including the Iridescent Glint Beetle, Reaper & Reapette, Souflee, and Tac. So if we did not want Smash Tour Items to have individual pages, despite them affecting game play, we'd only lose pages for Dixie Kong, Energy Tank, Plasm Wraith, Ghosts (Luigi's Mansion), and Tetra. 47.199.39.81 04:13, July 30, 2019 (EDT)


I don't think move pages can replace character pages. Whether the names are the same or not, the function of move is only the ability of characters, not themselves. like Rush Coil just one of its original functions; Beat has the same name as the character and move, but different origins.--Capstalker (talk) 03:27, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
I agree. If the origins were to match, then they should be rewritten to focus more on what the page is about. The move, you talk about what the move is based on. The character, you talk about who it is, and can go more in-depth about them. Weather it be talking about F.L.U.D.D. or Rush, or the moves that they are apart of. 47.199.39.81 04:13, July 30, 2019 (EDT)


So, Should Mii costumes not have pages? And the characters of the stage platform? Technically speaking, they are indeed the Stage hazard. How about the Poké Floats and turtle in Great Bay?--Capstalker (talk) 03:27, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
For stage platforms, I would say yes as they are apart of the stage itself as a mechanic on it, just like the King of Red Lions on the Pirate Ship, so they would fall under number 4. In the case for Poké Floats, it would gave pages to Psyduck, Slowpoke, Wooper, Sudowoodo, Seel, Lickitung, and Geodude. As for Mii costumes, it seems like they fall under Number 6 of the proposed rules. So as disappointing as it is, Mii costumes, like Chocobo, Lloyd, Ribbon-Girl, and Heihachi Mishima, probably won't get pages. 47.199.39.81 04:13, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
If so, whether the Toad has a page or not depends on how we deal with the move characters.--Capstalker (talk) 04:35, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
If Toad did not receive his own page, I know it would still cover his cameos in trophies, stickers, and spirits (all of which would be moved to the character page), but would his appearances in Melee’s Adventure Mode and as a Mii costume be covered? It doesn’t seem like those two appearances would make sense to be covered on a move page. Toad is part of the move set of Peach, and now Daisy, so he falls under number 2 of the proposed rules, which means he would keep his page. 47.199.39.81 05:20, July 30, 2019 (EDT)