User talk:Charitwo/Archive 1

Main Page
The Main Page is now unprotected. Bonko24 19:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

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 * JoePlay (talk) 19:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Angie said this place needed some help, so I decided to drop by and do what I can. :) --Charitwo 19:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Pikipedia user?
Are you a Pikipedia user? (That's www.pikmin.wikia.com, by the way.) 02:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I probably reverted some vandalism or spam there, I probably didn't stick around long to be an active editor. -- 02:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the place needs some help...... 04:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you for categorizing my page, Pach E. Derm. I was a little mixed up so I didn't do it. I'll remember to do that if I create another page. Thanks again!

Merging
Do you have any experience in merging. It would be great to merge with the Brawl mini wiki before it's release date but I don't have any idea how. I have also left ShadowUltra, who seems to be the most active contributor there, a message about merging, but no response. Bonko24 18:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Merging would have to be done by one of the w:Community Team|Community Team, preferably Angela or Catherine, since they are the ones who handle wiki requests. --Charitwo 19:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Possible SmashWiki merge
Hey Charitwo, I got big news for you. SmashWiki, the other SSB wiki, may be merging with this wiki soon, possibly by next Tuesday. So, since this will be a fairly large merge, it is in our best interest that we plan out the merge in case it does happen so that it happens smoothly. We have to discuss the best way to organize, like what content comes to this wiki, what content gets deleted, etc. Feel free to discuss the merge on talk page.--Richard 21:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Launch Guide
The launch guide is is pretty much done so I'd like to display it some how on the main page or as a banner along the top of the page. I don't know which would be best or how to do it. Would you know how to do this? The page is SmashWiki:Super Smash Bros. Brawl Launch Center. Bonko24 23:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Merging
Thanks for the heads up. I'm fixing them now. Bonko24 17:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Gonko
Or something to that effect's name: On SmashWiki, having articles on smashers in the main space was not incorrect (see SmashWiki:Pool Room), so long as they were written in the third person and with decent facts and such. Don't be mean to him. :( --Sky (t | c | w) 06:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That's going to change soon after finishing with page merges. All these mainspace "profiles" will be moved to the userspace where they belong. --Charitwo 06:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Did you even read the discussion? There's going to be resistance to that. :/ While I agree with you that they shouldn't be in the main space (some of them should, as some of them are well known), you're going to have to go through the same thing I did. --Sky (t | c | w) 06:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Regardless of the discussion, the mainspace is called article space for a reason. It's for content, not profiles/groups/clans/etc. --Charitwo 06:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It is content/article space for SmashWiki'rs, though. Again, I stress that I agree with you that the majority of them shouldn't reside in the main space, or at least they should have an overhaul, but this isn't something you're going to get away with cleanly. >_<. --Sky (t | c | w) 06:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with Sky here, if you want to start moving a large % of smashwiki's content to a new namespace, you should really start a discussion thread about this on a talk page and let other people share their opinions. There is no ONE right way to organize a wiki's content and no ONE person should set a policy that affects this much content. With two communities merging there are bound to be different ways to do things.. neither is right or wrong and the communities should discuss with an OPEN mind until they reach a decision Together [w:User:Angies|angies] ([w:User talk:Angies|talk]) 17:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

RE: SmashWiki:Merge/ Articles
Sorry, didn't know that :P March, 1 2007 21:23 (GMT +01)

Bowser
Forgot to undelete it. Could you do that and save to newest version of that version for me? Erik posted a hard copy of it that he had on hand, but I'd rather have the version which was deleted. Thanks! --Sky (t | c | w) 08:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it looks like it doesn't exist in the Merge list, so it seemed like unlike all the other pages, the SmashWiki Bowser article was actually deleted off the Internet during the merger process. If it's possible that and other "now-nonexistent articles" can be "un-deleted", though, that would be great. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 08:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Dave the god guy need banning
the user "Dave the god guy" has done nothing but vandalize and needs to be banned. FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 07:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

You haven't responded
You are not responsible for deleting content, nor are you to be threatening other contributors. Do it again and you're blocked. --Charitwo 18:18, 26 February 2008 (UTC) You posted that on my IP address, 24.6.103.162 a while ago, and I replied asking what I did. As I remember, I did nothing of that sort, and a quick look at my contributions shows that I have done nothing wrong. I would really like it if you would reply to this as soon as possible, since you ignored my request last time. --Misken67 21:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Will you please respond. I know that you've edited recently, due to me plowing through the logs. I really am curious at what I've done, or if a comment of mine seemed insult-ish. Thanks, --Misken67 04:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been busy elsewhere, this is 1 wiki out of almost 6000 that I pop in on daily, although this is one of the focused ones, replies during the week are slim to none due to work and other stuff. And constantly being harassed for an answer won't get you answered sooner, it's inpolite. Anyways, as for your question, I've replied elsewhere. Cheers. --Charitwo 13:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen it. I remember asked once during the weekend, but it disappeared a few days later when I came back to check for answers. I don't know how, and a few clicks in "History" wouldn't reveal any results. Was it archived? Afterwards, I asked only twice, which hardly constitutes as "harassing". However, thanks for bringing it to my attention that I might be a bit harsh on IP users. I'll try to be nicer next time. --Misken67 01:08, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

IRC
Yes, it's me on IRC. -- Kirby King 01:42, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Way to make me feel welcome
Deleting a completely harmless category which would have allowed smashers to find one another based on their interests. Thanos6 04:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Revoking sysop
This may see mlike a strange question but is their a way to remove beuracrat/sysop rights? I'm not very active here anymore and feel this wiki is stable and now fat with articles. I tried to demote myself but could not. Can you do this or tell me how? Thanks. Bonko24 00:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Worst Vandal ever?
What did that person do to have worst vandal ever? Zmario 23:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh he replaced page with worst character ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zmario (talk • contribs)
 * : ) --Charitwo 23:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * um.....what lol! Zmario 23:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Undelete smasher redirect articles
Could you undelete the following articles?

DarkSpidey13 Geo635 Darkspidey13 CyberSaber

These page were redirects to a smasher page from the main namespace and should be restored because of the following policy (draft) sentence "The smasher page will be allowed a maximum of three redirects out of the main namespace and into the Smasher namespace." at User:Sky2042/Sandbox Logan - (Talk  · Contributions) 13:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

No. The redirects aren't needed with the Mediawiki search functionality or pipelinking features. -- 13:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry to jump in here, but now I'm kind of confused. I was working under the assumption that Smasher articles would be redirected to their new locations out of the Main namespace rather than simply deleted entirely. This seems in accordance with how the policy draft used to read (and, since this was the policy draft that was in place when discussion took place, I believe it is the only policy draft that we can presume has community support). Even though the search functionality may still yield accurate results, and one can pipelink to make links to Smasher articles easier to write, this doesn't change a simple usability aspect: who will ever link to Mew2King (either on this wiki, or externally) and not expect the Smasher page? (That particular article is still a redirect, but based on this discussion, I'm assuming it's not supposed to be.) I support the notion that someone whose Smasher name is "Mario" doesn't deserve a redirect (except from "Mario (smasher)"), but I don't understand why a non-existent page in the main namespace should be preferable to a redirect, especially when the subject of the article in question is completely unambiguous. Replacing a legitimate content page with the equivalent of a 404 is entirely unfriendly to visitors who are looking for specific information, and I think we should avoid it at all costs.
 * But perhaps this is a discussion that should take place somewhere else. -- Kirby King 16:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, I encourage you to read up on reasons for not deleting a redirect. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon
Can you please add é to the MediaWiki:Edittools page? --Posted by Pikamander2   (Talk)  at 20:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. --Charitwo 20:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

é
Thank you for adding the é to the MediaWiki:Edittools template, but could you move it next to "Insert:", instead of on the Wiki markup? --Posted by Pikamander2   (Talk)  at 21:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Runer5h
I see you're an active admin here, so I'd like you to know that on the Brawl Expansion Capabilities forum Runer5h called me an idiot, obviously offending me. Can you do something? XXXXX 16:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

My Brawl Tier List
Thank you for reverting the vandalism that Ytpoop made on my Brawl Tier List page. --Riko 20:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

hey
wat does tbh mean? Kperfekt722 (talk) 23:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Slang for "to be honest". --Charitwo 00:00, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

oh ok. Kperfekt722 (talk) 21:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

X2i
I don't think that X2i deserved to be banned for a month for removing the content from the Super Smash Duel page. Before his ban, we were discussing the possibility of deleting that page. As its author, he originally defended it, but the conceded that we could delete it if we wanted to. FyreNWater banned him for removing the deletion tag from it because no one had gotten around to doing anything about it. I think that his blanking the page was a good faith attempt to delete the page and make up for his actions. I asked him about this on his talk page. I'll leave the decision up to you; I just thought I'd let you know the circumstances. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 22:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, on his talk page, he claims that it was an accident that he deleted the page. I don't know if I should believe this or not, but he was the author of the page.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 22:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Quite Strict Aren't We?
On everyone's sysop nomination, you're either neutral or you oppose, but you never support. Why? I thought the candidates for sysop had pretty convincing cases. What are you looking for in a sysop? - GalaxiaD (talk) 04:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Because we already have enough sysops, imo. So I'm looking for people that stand out. A lot of folks just want it just to "have it" --Charitwo 04:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, so you're saying that a lot of people want that kind of power just to use it, eh? I see where you're coming from. - GalaxiaD (talk) 04:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Delete Template
Why did you delete the Speedy Deletion template? That is mighty helpful to have. I'm going to go ahead and restore it for now, beacuse some of the smash Wikiers are real confused about it not being there, including myself. If we really are going to get rid of the template, we should probably post some kind of message to the users. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 13:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Opps. That should really be renamed to Template:Speedy or Template:SDelete then, it got caught in the mix of deleting unused and deprecated templates that we don't need anymore because they were replaced with better ones or just haven't been used for a long time. --Charitwo 13:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I tried to make is just Template:Speedy Delete, but someone pointed out that it is much easier to just type .  Also, that is what is used on all other wikis and on Wikipedia, so it's normal code.  I made the main template under Template:Speedy Delete, and Template:d redirects to there.  It should all be working smother now.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 00:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool, that should work. --Charitwo 00:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Custom/personal Templates
Hey I'm a bit confused about the personal/custom template rule. You see, there are these things called Word Bubbles. They are made to be used by people. They have a hard to remember code, so people make their own templates so all they have to type it. Could this possibly be a loophole in the rule? Thanks for your time (Please reply on my talkpage), Uber  Phoeb a b c 00:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi.
Just wanted to check up on you, see how your doing. Well enough fooling around for me, I must get back to work. Zmario (talk) 22:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks. --Charitwo 22:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah i was about to undo that vandal's page when there was one error. GOOD JOB!Zmario (talk) 21:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Pwnage4twin
He has recreated his user page, even after you warned him. I think you should give him a little vacation. - GalaxiaD (talk) 23:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Archiving
Amycats asked me to archive his page, since he doesn't know how. Think maybe you could recreate his archive page? - GalaxiaD (talk) 04:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Crew Namespace
I've been talking to Randall about closing the crew namespace discussion. At the present, none of the sysops involved are behind it, but I wanted to make sure that you knew it was going to close soon in case you have anything to add to the discussion. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 15:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * And your proposed closure resolution? --Charitwo 17:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Right now it's looking like a no. Randall and I don't support it and Sky and Erik aren't thrilled with it either.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 01:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Techniques
Thanks for fixing the redirect. I realized I forgot the colon, then tried to fix it with a dumb method that didn't work. I would have fixed it right away, but my baby niece was crying and I had to take care of her. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 23:32, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

good work
Well, you've basically filled recent changes! Good job and good work. --Shadowcrest 05:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I do that from time to time. And my recent changes goes up to 250 due to some of the work I do around wikia, so its not completely filled up for me. -- 05:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've seen similar crusades, but then, GuildWiki's userbase seems to be bigger. And usually they're just adding image copyright info. Assuming the 50 default changes, you've got all but 4 (well, 5 now). --Shadowcrest  05:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

No
Sorry, that's my brother, Purple (not really).

He is a user on other wikis. It's nice to find another Koopa Bros. fan. --Blue Ninjakoopa (talk) 19:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Shadowcrest/policy
As a sysop, I expect you to be interested in benefitting the community- and I wholeheartedly believe that the implementation of all of the proposed policies/other administration-related things listed on that page would benefit the wiki. It would be greatly appreciated if you would point out any issues you have with any of the things listed on that page, and whether or not you think any or all of them should be implemented, and if not, why not.

Of course, I realize you have a life and other things to attend to- I don't expect this to be completed overnight ;)

Whenever you get the chance, it would be great if you would comment on them.

Thanks, --Shadowcrest 01:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Shadowcrest. I think it would be a good idea for the community to comment on these pages, have you considered creating a forum topic? Community consensus would be needed to make site policy changes. -- 01:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course- which is why I asked Clarinet Hawk for prominent usernames and notified the active sysops ;)
 * GuildWiki is new to forums- they're one part of wikis I'm not too familiar with. Thanks for the suggestion. --Shadowcrest  02:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, does the forum page look alright? (Moreso did I mess it up somehow? :P) It's here, if you haven't seen it. --Shadowcrest  04:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

THANKS YOU CHARITWO!
THANK YOU FOR UNBLOCKING ME! *starts dancign* Zmario (talk) 00:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Apologies.
Sorry, sir (or ma'am), I just got overexcited, is all. I hope you understand.

THANK YOU FOR UNBLOCKING ME! *starts dancign* Cafinator (talk) 01:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Removing talk page content
I noticed you told another user to not delete content from their user talk page unless they're archiving it. I'm not aware of any such policy, and since everything is in a publicly-accessible history anyway, I was wondering why you thought this policy should be enforced? -- Kirby King 03:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not a policy by any means, it's a general courtesy and a guideline, hammered into my head from being around so many different wikis. The only thing I flat out remove is people who troll after you revert their vandalism. But hey, it comes with the job. -- 04:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

New admin-related implementations
In addition to the new policies implemented recently, I've also implemented an Admin noticeboard to provide a central location for admin-related requests/issues (as opposed to posting on an individual admin's talk page). I would like this page to be put into the default sidebar, and your comments on this would be appreciated. Sky disagrees though (we've been talking on IRC for ages). Additionally, I've set up a ban template and a Category:Candidates for banning, which I would also like your thoughts on- KirbyKing and Sky disagree with the template (and by extension the category, since it's useless without the template). The template isn't really important thought- I just thought it might makes things a little easier on the sysops, though if you'd rather use the adminboard that's fine. Anyway, again any comments would be excellent. --Shadowcrest 00:24, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I like IRC and I think a template and a category like that is silly. The admins here have enough common sense to know when to block, most of them anyway. Can't say the same thing for some of the ban reasons though, those will only encourage vandals... not mentioning any names. -- 00:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * And furthermore, I don't think a non-sysop should be implementing policies of his own accord anyway, especially when only really like ONE person has replied to the talk page. You are an editor, focus on content please. -- 00:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ...That is exactly why we need you are valuable. That was definitely one of the most elitist statements I've ever heard in my life, and I'm elitist on a daily basis. Honestly, I found that offensive. Please do not presume to tell me what parts of Smashwiki I should and should not contribute to. The possible new policies forum has been up for almost 3 weeks, and every active sysop (except 1 I can't remember the name of) was notified. I did not implement anything of my own accord.
 * "I think a template and a category like that is silly." Fine. I wish you had waited until I asked the other admins about it as well (I got sidetracked) to delete it, but like I already said, I'm focusing on the noticeboard. Which you ignored.
 * Please notice the 1RV page you just deleted was actually posted before the 3RR one was. Please undelete the page and wait for concensus before single-handedly deleting policies you don't agree with. This also applies to the blocking policy (and now deletion), which you have- again- changed without concensus. Even if you only ask the other admins and get a concensus anyway, that is about as unwiki as one can get. --Shadowcrest  00:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Your changes have no majority consensus. Even though all admins were notified, there is no community consensus for a mass implementation like this. Although there is no real reason to delete everything, what still exists can serve as guidelines, not policies. This community is about editing and content, NOT bureaucratic and common sense "policies". As guidelines, most of the stuff you created is ok, but our admins have the common sense to know most of this already. -- 00:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing I implemented has recieved even a word of dissupport. The only ones that were even mentioned as questionable were the RfA - not implemented - and YAV, which one person didn't like. One. Also not implemented. If I didn't think I didn't have community consensus, I wouldn't have done it. Everyone has had ample time to disagree with anything they wished. They haven't. I implemented them.
 * You fail to acknowledge the timing I allowed everyone to comment. Anyone who checks the forums would have seen it. I asked for dissent, and recieved none. Should I have waited for a majority of wiki users to post "good idea +1"? Maybe I should ask everyone if it's a good idea before I edit Peach.
 * Your argument is a double edged sword. If my edits didn't have consensus, yours most certainly did not. I am still requesting you undo your edits and undelete the 1RV page, and wait for the consensus you advocate before making edits like that. I would very much like to slip in a rude comment, but I can't. You see, it's a policy now.
 * "This community is about editing and content, NOT bureaucratic and common sense "policies"." ...And? What wikis aren't? Next time you find a bureaucratic-philosophy wiki, let me know. I'd like to read it. Don't even try and tell me you haven't seen everything those policies prohibit going on recently. If you do, you're either lying or you haven't paid much attention.
 * What reason is there at all to have those serve as guidelines and not policies? As everyone who posted agrees (except randall+YAV), all of those would benefit the community. --Shadowcrest  01:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What is currently there is fine. It's not hurting anything, but it certainly wasn't needed anyway. Mostly common sense. I also appreciate it if you stop harassing me. Long-winded diatribes to attempt to prove a point for 90% of pages that still exist just irritate me. Go edit something and let me enjoy my weekend. -- 01:19, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Housekeeping
MediaWiki:Newarticletext has two buttons that have been useless since June 20th. It is confusing sysops of other wikis who thought something is supposed to work one way but does not. If you can clean that up it'd be great d-: -User:PanSola(talk/history) 17:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. -- 17:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't Mean To
I don't really mean to bring this up, but why is it wrong for Blue Ninjakoopa to edit his own talk page? When I was blocked on Wikipedia, I could atleast edit my own (don't ask). It's really none of my business, I guess, just asking... (Wolf O'Donnell (talk · contributions) 01:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC))


 * Past abuse. -- 01:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop belittling yourself imo. I'd link you to YAV, but it wasn't implemented.
 * To clarify (and I was ec'd), it was protected because it was being used as a chatroom, and it had already been (temporarily) protected twice before. The amount of meaningful things being said was vastly outweighed by random talk with little-no relevance to wiki, and so it was protected. --Shadow crest  01:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not belittling myself. I do believe I asked Charitwo the question. Thanks. YAV? (Wolf O'Donnell (talk · contributions) )
 * "You Are Valuable." Never-implemented policy describing the inherent value in each user. {My name is Miles, and I approve this message.} 02:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Loud noises are waking the baby, let's not fight. -- 02:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

A few things
First, thanks for banning that IP.

Second, since you're on and C-Hawk isn't, I'll ask you the same question I asked him. See Delfino Plaza. Do you see the mushroom of the Mario universe in the "caption" line of the infobox? All Brawl stages have the applicable symbol. My question was if I should put this symbol on Melee & N64 stages or just leave it on Brawl ones. Thoughts?

Third... might it be time for an archive? {My name is Miles, and I approve this message.} 20:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Np.


 * I don't suppose it would hurt anything.


 * Nope.


 * -- 20:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Super Nuke Bros Melee
It seems you deleted this page I created on the Smash Wiki, the reason being that it doesn't relate to Smash Bros. If you had read the article, you would know it has as much right to be there as Super Smash Flash. Just because it doesn't mention Smash in the title doesn't mean it isn't a smash game. It is a fangame with hand drawn graphics and a hard-worked engine. If you would be so kind as to restore the page I would be grateful. I chaed around before I added, I found the fangame category as well as several unfinished Smash tributes in there, and I do not see the purpose of it's deletion, as on many sites it is taken in higher regard than even SSF2. Please restore this page when you see this message, as I am sure you will see that it does belong where it was added. --Hoeloe


 * It would go on a fanon wiki, not this one. -- 21:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Then why is SSF2 here? Why is there a fangames section? If fangames don't belong here, surely they don't either?


 * Those should probably be moved to a different wiki as well, but they have been around a while, I'm surprised I didn't come across them earlier this year. It probably got snuck in with the merge, feh. Lot of housekeeping still needing to be done. The only articles here should be about the Nintendo franchise. Not fanmade spinoffs. -- 21:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * To that end, do you just want to get rid of those articles or do you want to try and get some kind of consensus. I have no problem getting rid of them; they just take up space.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 22:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, an ideal solution would be to move them to a different wiki, then delete them here. I don't remember if Wikia has a smash bros fanon or not. I'd have to check. -- 22:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There is one. I'm not on there much, so I don't know if they have the pages already, but the wiki does exist.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 22:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I left a link for it on the Main Page's talk page, although it's probably in the last archive right now.  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 22:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I found it. supersmashbrosfanon -- 22:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's it, but it still won't help. While Flash games aren't part of the actual series, they still exist. That Wiki talks about games, characters, etc. that don't even exist in the real games or flash games. But hey, it's your call.  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 22:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll have to look around, but one thing is for certain, this wiki is only meant for the Nintendo Games. -- 22:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What about the Sonic and MGS games?  Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 22:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it, they should probably migrate to Gaming. Just because characters from other games are present in Smash Bros, doesn't mean we have to have articles about the actual game here with infoboxes and all the fancy stuff. -- 22:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If it's relevant to Smash Bros., it should be here.  Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 22:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Not an article about a game, no, it does not. Articles about the actual games these characters are from belong elsewhere. -- 22:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think he means aspects from these games (such as music, cameos, background effects, etc.).  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 22:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If it's inside the game (moves, characters, music, etc), then there can be an article. But articles about games themselves, don't belong. -- 22:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What about trophies?  Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 22:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Trophies are obtainable in the game, obviously. I am talking about articles about another video game that are non-nintendo. I'm not going to sit here and pick apart the entire game for you. -- 22:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Didn't want you to. Just wanted to make sure that h=the trophies and in-game things were safe.  I'm good with everything else going.   Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 22:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

KP
Hey Charitwo, can you temporarily unprotect KP's talk page? I need to let him know that an IP is vandalizing his smasher page.  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 19:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Um, OK, that was certainly creative. I hope that works.  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 19:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I blocked the vandal and delivered the message. -- 19:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I saw. Thanks. I doubt it was "Sliq" (some Ganondorf player KP's brawled, who's probably holding some stupid grudge).  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 19:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed. http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Charitwo&curid=26864&diff=188217&oldid=188216 -- 19:25, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk about pathetic. And I thought Cafinator said random things (I mean really, Fisher Price? Does this guy know how pathetic he sounds?). Anyway, KP will probably kill him (in Brawl) if he really is Sliq.  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 19:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Old stuff of merit
I found SmashWiki:Super Smash Bros. Brawl Launch Center and wasn't sure what to think. Some of the photoshopping is pretty good, so I wouldn't get rid of the photos. Nevertheless, much of the info is out of date and I think the whole thing needs a new name now that Brawl's been out a while. I think it's worth keeping, but probably needs a HUGE overhaul. What are your thoughts? {My name is Miles, and I approve this message.} 14:53, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

DBR
I don't understand why you deleted those pages. Yes, their name is offensive, but it's been censored in the articles. They're one of the best-ranked crews in NorCal with some of the most well-known combo videos. Deleting their stuff is like deleting Ken Hoang's page because it mentioned his Peach theory (which it incidentally no longer does). Silverdragon706/FyreNWater - (T • C ) 20:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter if their the best crew in the whole country, they should have a better and less offensive name. Regardless or not of whether it's censored. -- 22:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That's why they're DBR. I don't even think they use their unacronymed name anymore. Silverdragon706/FyreNWater - (T • C ) 04:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Deleting Talk Page Redirects
This seems like a bit of a make-work project and doesn't serve much purpose. Talk page redirects are created automatically by the MediaWiki engine after a page move in order to account for all avenues of access to be opened for users who may have edited it before the move. For instance, I frequently type Talk:RJM into the search box to access my own talk page, even though it redirects to Smasher talk:RJM. -- RJM Talk 21:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Talk page redirects are not useful 90% of the time. Redirects themselves that are not talk pages are useful because they both 1) function for search purposes (like for example if an article's title was expanded Wii > Nintendo Wii. But Talk:Wii would not be useful because it's not practical to keep it because people do not search talk pages, your smasher talk one is a conveinence for you, but might not be for the rest of the community. It doesn't matter if it appears to be a "make-work" project to you, if I want to find things to do around here to make things more clean and organized, then so be it. You might not think anything of sorting through stuff like this (maybe you're more of a content individual than a maintenance individual), but Wiki-gnoming tasks and projects both keep one busy and the wiki looking tidy. Stop interfering with my little projects and sweating the small stuff, it makes you look like a jerk. -- 22:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, you're a horrible sysop anyway. I can honestly say I prefer the company of just about every sysop that came with the merge except you. If you don't like the way a wiki works, nobody is forcing you to stay. Go play and stop stressing yourself out. You're going to be one of those people that has a heart attack before they're forty. -- 22:30, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, fuck you. I come to your talk page to explain why several of your previous deletes have been reversed and you respond to justify why you'd waste your time in such a way, which is fine, but then you're gonna take the time to come back just to add a little personal dig about me being a horrible sysop and looking like a jerk for "interfering with your little projects". No, fuck you, I don't appreciate that--I'm a damn good sysop and this merge ruined everything that was planned by the SmashWiki community beforehand. I made every effort I possibly could to diplomatically deal with a decision that was autocratically enforced. And you know, it really sucks that we've had to meet on such fouled ground, Charitwo, because before the merge happened, everyone on SmashWiki believed me to be a peaceable individual and a valuable and overqualified sysop. Even though most people realize that it's a flawed way of thinking, first impressions still count for a lot and the first impression that all of you Wikia staff members and community members have of me is a loud and angry protest about the merge which was directed specifically at Gideon, who seems to be the one who made the decision. And unfortunately, painting that kind of picture leaves a reputation with first-time viewers that my substantial contributions of the past can't seem to quell. Ever since, it's been a fight just to clean up this disaster and when I ended up banning a bunch of users that to this day contribute more garbage to the wiki than a bunch of talk page redirects ever could, my persona as a hard-nosed power-abusing dictator seemed to come to full fruition despite a stunning lack of evidence. It's like this entire project that I had been heavily involved in and cared vehemently for suddenly blew up in my face and now the entire community has this backlash against both me and the ideas that used to steer the course of SmashWiki's future. In any case, don't talk down to me about being a horrible sysop and more importantly, don't berate me with comments like "go play" and "if you don't like it, leave" because the former implies that you're treating this argument as though you've already won it and the latter is totally self-involved without any consideration for the thousands of hours I've put in to making this the best resource of smash information available. Remarkably, the Super Smash Bros. Wikia administration seems to have lost sight of that goal well before we showed up (and who could blame them in light of all the inevitable spam). Anyway, sorry for explaining myself; the next time I interfere with your little projects, I'll do so in silence. -- RJM Talk 05:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Both of you need to cool down. I understand that we all have our differences in what we consider the appropriate way to run this wiki, but when these become attacks between two sysops, it needs to be taken elsewhere.  Your comments here have not gone unnoticed by other members of the wiki who have expressed concern to me about the behaviour of two sysops.  I have to agree the above behaviour is quite unbecoming of administrators on this wiki.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 04:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)