User talk:Amber Blackstar/Archive 8

Insufficient notability involving the ssb64 page
This is my first time I've used the "talk function" so I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly.

Concerning this "insufficient notability". The pages i put out as glitches such as "PK thunder freeze glitch", "Roll Glitch", and "SleepSliding glitch" have all been marked "Considered for deletion in accordance with the deletion policy." You say the "glitch has no real impact on the competitive scene, and only 100,000+ views".

1) The sleepsliding glitch has no real impact on the scene, but hey what if someone tried the glitch out as a ledge-guard? Maybe for doubles it could be a useful way for team 1 to get pikachu from one side to the other for a ledge-guard with jigglypuff if team 2 were off-stage. Or maybe Jigglypuff use sleep as an aerial defense against pikachu as it tries to quick attack onto the stage? We could hopefully see someone expand this concept. The other thing is that I have noticed you took out some old glitches such as "blackhole glitch" cause it was very similar to the "green-shell glitch" but then again, the green-shell glitch isnt used in the competitive scene so why bother using that? 2) I'm not gonna lie but in a small community like smash 64 that's kind of a lot views granted how old this game is.

I've seen the sleepsliding glitch on other places already: http://es.smashbros.wikia.com/wiki/Archivo:SSB64_Sleeping_Pikachu_Glitch_(SleepSliding) Axe from Melee exploiting the glitch in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGTWI2f6AIE#t=418 melee, so maybe others can also as well.

3) I feel by inhibiting these sort of information there maybe be no opportunity for players to expand upon or experiment. I also feel that if there is a glitch it would be a neat trick for casual players to share and show each other and help expand the community. Anyways I didn't want to come off as rude but I'm still quite new to the wiki creation scene and am only trying to help.

Lv20ninja (talk) 15:30, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Aight, I'm gonna have to answer this in sections to bear with me a moment.


 * 1) To answer your first question, the competitive thing wasn't the primary factor in my determining on whether or not it was notable (Black Hole glitch isn't usable in competitive play and it's still notable). It's noteworthy to mention, but it's not a key factor. The primary problem was the lack of attention to the glitch. As I said, the video only had 100,000+ views, which is impressive in of itself, but is also not as much as one would hope for. The biggest issue in terms of attention came from SmashBoards, which, as I said, only had two threads dedicated to talking about it (and there were barely any posts on both and none from anyone particularly notable) and no mention anywhere else.


 * 2) Good point on most of what you said. The main thing I wanna point out is that wikia Smash sites aren't the most reliable places for determining notability (as just about anything is notable on wikia).


 * 3) That last one isn't exactly our concern. If we were to follow under what you say, not only would this wiki be bloated with unnecessary content that barely anybody has heard of or cares about (such as smashers or even minor graphical glitches) and the wiki would be more of a strategy guide than anything, something that SW:NOT specifically says we are not. I know, it's not exactly the fairest in the world, but in all honesty it's worked.


 * Hope all of this helps. Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  15:59, 17 July 2016 (EDT)


 * I've reviewed NA SSB64 Community and they seemed to be for this. If notoriety or notable is something you want as a factor, I'm willing to do a survey on the smashboard and on different FB ssb64 groups just to convince you that they want it. I'd rather you discuss this with David Shears cause this has with wiki entries (http://www.ssbwiki.com/Smasher:Shears) because of lack of data or evidence. For now I'll be through with any more entries involving glitches, techniques, or errors and such because I don't what will constitute as something even content-worthy.

Lv20ninja (talk) 16:36, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Well it's likely that with Miles pushing for a list of more minor glitches, this glitch will show up there (I'm not doubting the glitch is entirely unnotable), which I think it'll be perfect for there if you want my opinion. Personally I think a glitch should only have its own article if it has extreme notoriety for one reason or another, such as Black Hole and the Master Hand glitches, for instance. Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  16:59, 17 July 2016 (EDT)

Belated birthday
Why do my vacations clash with your special occasions? First adminship, now your birthday?! Ah well, happy birthday! Pen ro  15:58, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Thanks! :D Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  15:59, 17 July 2016 (EDT)

Page Creation
I was trying to upload an image to this wiki and couldn't do it, how can I do so?

"Upload error

You do not have permission to create new pages." —Preceding unsigned comment added by JL-Noir (talk • contribs) 01:05, 19 July 2016 (EST)
 * Remember to sign your comments. As for images, IIRC, you'll have to be autoconfirmed. You can find more info on autoconfirmation here. Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  21:08, 18 July 2016 (EDT)

Sorry, I'm new and still learning, going to read more now to be a useful member

User:JL-Noir 21:34, 18 July 2016

Character Usage Rules
You see, that a problem I have with this rule. Armada didn't win any sets with Fox at EVO2016, so by the rules the character shouldn't be listed. But Armada did use the character in grand finals, all the way till the end. The purpose of a wiki is to record notable moments and history of a subject, it seems odd to me that we're ignoring a character used in Grand Finals of one of the largest Melee tournaments so far. From the perspective of someone that will read this wiki years from now, when they see Armada's 2nd place finish and only Peach listed, they'll think he lost to Hungry Box using her, while the actual Grand Finals footage will be confusing, since he only uses Fox on that set.

I honestly think this rule needs to change, since it goes against the purpose of recording part of the competitive scene memory.PFFP (talk) 11:48, 20 July 2016 (EDT)
 * You're talking to the wrong person in this case. I pay little attention to the competitive side of the wiki, so all I do is follow the policies with no standpoint on what to think of it. If you really want it changed, I recommend either starting a forum post or a talk page post on the policy itself suggesting the change and marking it as a proposed policy change. Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  12:39, 20 July 2016 (EDT)

Can you Semi Protect my userpage?
Can you semi Protect my Userpage with no expiry time? I had Someting similar on Wikipedia Just for the sake of IPs not editing my page, that hasn't happened yet, but im taking actions now. Thanks! TabuuandMasterCore 20:23, 20 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Umm....no. Unless your userpage starts becoming a massive target for vandalism, no staff member will protect your userpage. Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  20:25, 20 July 2016 (EDT)

That
If you didn't understand, he was making a joke about the reflector sound (or item pick up sound) and Fox's forward smash. lol i love the item pick up sound though Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ 23:30, 27 July 2016 (EDT)
 * No I get it, I just didn't understand why that was done in the first place. It's my way of assuming good faith. :P Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  23:31, 27 July 2016 (EDT)

This
User in question appears to be editing his page as to act as a programming test, not so much vanity editing. As such, I don't think warning or considering probation for excessive userspace editing is entirely warranted in this case.

---  Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  02:18, 31 July 2016 (EDT)

Don't Worry
Hi I apologise for the page, but I only have it temporarly so I can make a results screen for my friends as we had a recent tournament. As soon as its done, ill delete it immediately. Thanks and sorry for the concern
 * It's cool. :P I didn't know for sure what you were doing so I figured it'd be better safe than sorry to message about it. Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  02:50, 31 July 2016 (EDT)

Personal Information removal from page edit history
Hi,

I'm kinda new and recently created a player page on the wiki that you commented on (Smasher:Kira_(Australia)), however I've made a mistake and include a piece of personal information about the smasher they didn't want made public (date of birth). I noticed you were a wiki admin so I thought I'd contact you about it (sorry). The smasher in question has asked me to remove it from the page and remove it from the edit history of the page. However I'm not sure how to best go about that or even if it's possible (would be a bit funny if a fresh user could change edit history). Would it be easier to request a page deletion and then recreate the page without the removed information or is it possible to edit the page edit history to not include it?

Sorry if I've messaged the wrong person about this or gone through the wrong channel,

Regards

Omega (talk) 01:58, 3 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Yes, it would be possible, but considering it involves multiple revisions, I dunno how likely it'd be to remove it entirely, but I'll try to hide it as best I can. Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  02:00, 3 August 2016 (EDT)

Just letting you know
I have a ton of new names in CSS ready. By the way, long time no see! Ganonmew, The Evil Clone  09:18, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Heya! Good to have you back. :P I'll be sure to check out the new ones after I get home this weekend. Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  15:08, 6 August 2016 (EDT)

Er....am I missing something?
Any reason that the wiki looks like a slightly less dull Wikipedia? My CSS is completely botched (it's not even there anymore), and everything just got overhauled. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone  21:28, 9 August 2016 (EDT)  Ganonmew ,  The Evil Clone  21:28, 9 August 2016 (EDT)
 * And any reason for four tildes creating two sigs? Ganonmew,  The Evil Clone  21:31, 9 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Well I know Porple's tinkered with the site recently, but I don't know anything beyond that. My CSS works just fine so. :/ Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  21:49, 9 August 2016 (EDT)
 * It's so vastly different that I don't even know how to undo anymore... Ganonmew,  The Evil Clone  22:24, 9 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Well you had been gone a while so I'm sure it will take some getting used to. A lot had happened since you were last active, after all. Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  22:26, 9 August 2016 (EDT)
 * You're a bit late to the party, my friend. I've been back for at least three days and it was perfectly normal earlier today. I just got back from nonstop Pokemon Rumble World and this happened, Ganonmew,  The Evil Clone  22:28, 9 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Really? Huh...well I honestly don't remember if Porple changed anything today so I can't say what the deal is. o_o Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  22:31, 9 August 2016 (EDT)

Any suggestions
On how to clean up the Exceptions section in the Star KO page? I cut down the wording and all, but the list doesn't look very nice, but I'm not sure if that matters. MuteSpittah (talk) 15:44, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
 * I'm not entirely sure myself, to be honest. Article cleanups were never really my strong suit. Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  15:47, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Alright. MuteSpittah (talk) 15:50, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Um, what about like, a mini section for each game? Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png 16:39, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Sounds sensible enough. MuteSpittah (talk) 16:42, 12 August 2016 (EDT)

"Notable players" rollbacking
For what it's worth, given how thoroughly we've given editors the requirements for notability, I would consider it acceptable to rollback instances of adding players without citing proof of notability. The main reason not to use rollback is that it doesn't give you the opportunity to leave an edit summary explaining why the edit was reverted, something which is less relevant when we have a million notes and advisories informing people how not to edit those sections. That's my reading of it, anyway. Miles ( talk)  16:02, 16 August 2016 (EDT)


 * Would it be a good time to bring this up again? It never really got resolved and I think it's still important.  John  John3637881 Signature.png  PK SMAAAASH!!  16:45, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
 * We'd just have to be careful not to RB too many edits (i.e. edits prior by the same person not in the notable players section). And John, yeah I think it should be looked into.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  17:59, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

The Brawl tier list doesn't fit on my screen horizontally. How can I shrink it?
The characters after Mr. Game & Watch and Link are off the page towards the right. I tried to fix it myself, but I can't figure out how to do it; everything I tried so far has only screwed it up (like removing the rank letters). Can you please help me? Unowninator (talk) 12:51, 28 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Hmm....as far as I can tell, it only seems to be affecting you. Are you using mobile or computer? Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  13:14, 28 August 2016 (EDT)
 * A large laptop. Unowninator (talk) 13:16, 28 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Dang, if it were mobile, that'd make sense, but I don't understand why it'd be doing something like that on a laptop. Try asking Toomai. IIRC he's typically the one who makes the tier list templates so maybe he knows why. Disaster Flare  Disaster Flare signature image.png  (talk)  13:17, 28 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Okay, thanks. Unowninator (talk) 13:22, 28 August 2016 (EDT)

Sorry about the undoing of the King Dedede (SSB4) edit. It wasn't my doing. My friend got on my account(cause I forgot to log out), and he saw I edited the page, and he undid it cause he wanted to see what I typed. Guess he forgot to put it back.

Sorry if this had been confusing and/or against the rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derp (talk • contribs) 21:22, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Next time, please create a new talk section for a new topic like this. Also remember to sign your comments. See TALK and SIGN  Serpent SKSig.png  King  21:22, 3 September 2016 (EDT)

Clubba
I remember seeing him on a Results page for a MD/VA Smash 4 tournament before, i will try to find it  Poultry ( talk ) the God-Slayer 14:41, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
 * http://thecavessb.challonge.com/3ozm6zy3/standings PoultrysigSSB4.png Poultry PoultrysigSSBM.png( talk ) the God-Slayer 14:48, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Hmm...aight I'll give you that, but this seems to only be a weekly, so unless there's more, he might not play SSB4 seriously like he does SSB. Disaster Flare  DisasterFlareHalloweenSigImage.png  (talk)  15:26, 7 September 2016 (EDT)

Hey
Before doing major things like deleting all the City PR's, maybe do a wiki-wide debate, to see what everyone's arguments are, then make your final decision, that's just what I think  Poultry ( talk ) the God-Slayer 19:48, 8 September 2016 (EDT)
 * That's the thing, this has been a thing that's been discussed for a while, and a few has already since been deleted before I started cracking down on it. The major problem with the city PRs is that since it only covers one city, several, if not all of the smashers, aren't notable. I've seen many an occasion where a smasher on only a City PR had awful results. With this in mind, there's no reason we should keep the city PRs, unless they only saved them for smashers who are doing an absolute awesome job in the community. Disaster Flare  DisasterFlareHalloweenSigImage.png  (talk)  19:51, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

Freezer
I was about to add in the results :/ can you undo that please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crim (talk • contribs) 20:36, 15 September 2016 (EST)
 * Considering the fact that I notability checked and really didn't find anything, I'm not going to restore the page until I know for a fact it's notable. With that being said, I request you reply here with the results you were going to add, so I can determine its notability better. Thanks in advance, and please also from now on sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). Disaster Flare  DisasterFlareHalloweenSigImage.png  (talk)  16:41, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
 * https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s82mE1dlkbdSqrtWW5h2AveYNtJc6s5vnfWElgrPN6c/htmlview#gid=0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crim (talk • contribs) 20:54, 15 September 2016 (EST)
 * Okay, close on the signature, but without the nowiki tag and the parentheses. As for the results....hmmm...it's difficult to say. There seems to be quite a few non-notable stuff, but there are some (like DI or Die) that I believe is notable to some extent, not to mention the fact that they do seem like pretty good placements. I'll er toward caution and restore it for now, but I'll do a double-check on the actual tournaments and how many entrants as well as how much publicity each one had just to make sure. Until then, I'll restore it and feel free to add the placings, but please make sure to provide links to the brackets with the tournament placings on the article if you have them. Disaster Flare  DisasterFlareHalloweenSigImage.png  (talk)  17:03, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Okay cool, I'll go through it after work to start adding in the placements. I'll messaged this again when I do that.

Crim (talk) 17:06, 15 September 2016 (EDT)

Hey
I know you wanted to talk in Discord, but I'd prefer to see you in the IRC channel. Is it possible? -- BeepYou  (talk)  13:45, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
 * I rarely use the IRC for SW anymore, so if you wanna talk, it's gonna have to be Discord. Disaster Flare  DisasterFlareHalloweenSigImage.png  (talk)  13:46, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
 * (sigh) ...and I wanted it to be private and not get bombarded by messages, due to my infamous status there... Then later. --BeepYouSignature.png BeepYou BeepYouSignature.png (talk)  13:49, 18 September 2016 (EDT)

My bad, dude.Piledrivaaa (talk) 14:58, 22 September 2016 (EDT)

IRC
It appears as though I'm banned from the IRC for whatever reason. Do you know what's up with that?

(Also, would you mind keeping an eye on MrEnderz97? He seems to be adding things to smasher pages without reading previous edit summaries and ignoring hidden notices.) PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 13:54, 2 October 2016 (EDT)
 * You're banned from the IRC? Hmm...if I were to guess, it might be from Serpent having to ban mass amounts of masks from one of our past vandals who keeps getting on to troll the IRC. It's highly probable that yours might've been banned in the process, depending on what hosting service you use. I'll talk to him about it when he gets on Discord later. And yeah I've been keeping an eye on him. I'll step in if need be. Disaster Flare  DisasterFlareHalloweenSigImage.png  (talk)  13:57, 2 October 2016 (EDT)
 * Yup, I'm to blame there. Do you happen to know your mask? Serpent  SKSigHalloween.png  King  17:46, 2 October 2016 (EDT)

Categories for images
People really should learn what categories are, how to use them, and why it's important to use them.

Considering this, would it be worth it to note this (as something like "remember to add categories") in the Guidelines section of the File Upload page (which I think is above admin powers, though)? (Speaking of which, I hope my recent restructuring of Category:Games was considered sensible.) --Menshay (talk) 13:04, 3 October 2016 (EDT)
 * I'm not really sure if it's even possible to put it on there, to be honest, since it's a special page. >_> Porple might be able to do it since he's a Developer, but that's only a speculatory guess. As for the restructuring, yeah it's completely fine. It was in desperate need of a change so. Disaster Flare  DisasterFlareHalloweenSigImage.png  (talk)  13:09, 3 October 2016 (EDT)
 * This is where you edit that text. Admins only. Serpent  SKSigHalloween.png  King  13:49, 3 October 2016 (EDT)

Do you know anything about (Fendy)
It's kind of weird that, one of the most notable Super Smash Bros. Melee commentators currently doesn't have a page on this wiki. Do you know anything regarding Fendy or have heard of him. He's currently doing MIOM countdown bios before The Big House 6 happens which is set to be one of the largest Melee tournaments of all time. I known he's contributed to way more than this but if you're able to, can you make a page for Fendy. A lot of Tier 1 commentators are missing pages, but Fendy seems to be the most notable absence on here. Thanks! :) -- The Combo King   (Thanks for Playing, GGs)  14:17, 3 October 2016 (EDT)
 * I actually know jack about the competitive community, so I'm probably the worst person to ask... XD Disaster Flare  DisasterFlareHalloweenSigImage.png  (talk)  14:35, 3 October 2016 (EDT)

Question
What is Okasuma 5 and can you provide a bracket of this tournament? Piledrivaaa (talk) 15:15, 3 October 2016 (EDT)
 * No idea, and no I can't. I didn't add it, an IP did. I merely fixed a coding issue. Disaster Flare  DisasterFlareHalloweenSigImage.png  (talk)  15:16, 3 October 2016 (EDT)

Oh ok, sorry to bug you. Piledrivaaa (talk) 15:19, 3 October 2016 (EDT)
 * It's cool. If I find anything on the tournament, I'll let you know. :P Disaster Flare  DisasterFlareHalloweenSigImage.png  (talk)  15:20, 3 October 2016 (EDT)