User talk:Serpent King/Archive 14

Victory Poses
Do you have plans for continuing your extensive page-renaming project into Melee and Smash 4, which both also have inputted victory poses? Thanks a lot for doing what you have though - that's a lot of painstaking, mind-numbing work.  John   HUAH!  16:46, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
 * You did a great job with naming Brawl poses. Can you do the same for Smash 4 and Melee? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 16:50, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Eventually, yes.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  20:54, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

You didn't warn me!
Four days ago, you blocked me for my abusive language right away! You didn't give me even one warning! Why did you have to block me without warning me?! Can you PLEASE warn me before you block me again?! --69.242.39.232 22:55, 18 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Not SK, but you were blatantly violating TALK and SmashWiki is no place to post such things, as they do not contribute to any discussions. Have a good read of the policy and other policies. Thank you. Also, you were warned on your talk page. Awesomelink234, the Super Spooky Sonic Fan  Leave a message if needed 23:02, 18 October 2018 (EDT)
 * As per BLOCK, blatant and consecutive violations to policy (such as your violations to TALK, even after being warned by multiple users, including an administrator) may justify an unwarned ban. — NokiiSigH.png Nokii (T·C·L) 23:21, 18 October 2018 (EDT)
 * You were also attacking other users, to add to the growing list of policy violations. Given the way you were behaving, I believe the admins thought that the only way to get you to stop would be to block you immediately. Going off on the front foot like you are now though is not going to do you any favours whatsoever. Black Vulpine  of the Furry Nation.  Furries make the internets go! :3  02:31, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Player tags.
So, when a player changes their tag to anything, what should I do? I'm stuck on that. (talk) 11:58, 21 October 2018 (EDT)
 * In this case, the player reverted their tag back to the first one, so what should I do? Sorry about the signature thing. Iridium77 (talk) 12:02, 21 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Make a redirect to the current article with the tag they changed to. (if a->b->a then b redirects to a)  Serpent SKSig.png  King  12:47, 21 October 2018 (EDT)

DialAForAwesome wants to say something
Hey Serpent King I just wanted to tell you that you are probably my favorite user on this entire site DialA4Awesome 19:24, 23 October 2018 (EDT)
 * This is improper usage of a talk page. See our talk page policy for what is and is not. Awesomelink234, the Super Spooky Sonic Fan  Leave a message if needed 19:51, 23 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Also, your signature is not valid. Every signature must contain a link to your userpage and/or your talk page. Black Vulpine  of the Furry Nation.  Furries make the internets go! :3  20:00, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

Character Sort and DLC on the main Ultimate page
I'm sure it's been brought up, but shouldn't the characters be sorted by their number on the Ultimate page since that's how they are in both the game and website?

I think there should be a new section on the character display for DLC, instead of putting them in with regular newcomers. I don't know if it's all that big of a deal, but I think it'd be nice. JohnnyWellens 19:30, 1 November 2018 (EDT)
 * Instead of blindly following what's official, we will instead list characters in a way that makes sense, and that means ignoring the Sakurai numbers. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Polychromatic 19:44, 1 November 2018 (EDT)
 * I don't think it's blindly following, I think it's following the pattern that the game has created. There's been a big emphasis on the order the characters were released. Also, if a person plays the game and goes to the Wiki to look at info on their favorite character, wouldn't it be beneficial for the characters to be in a similar order as the game? JohnnyWellens  22:06, 1 November 2018 (EDT)

Extreme backlog in the speedy deletions
There is a large amount of pages that are tagged as speedy delete, the last time I checked, which was a minute or two ago, there was 85 pages tagged for speedy deletion. Corrin Fan 15:58, 9 November 2018 (EST)

...
I literally just gave you the source, unless you mean something else. 130.65.254.6 17:21, 13 November 2018 (EST)
 * Those are not a source. A source would be the inkling in those costumes.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  17:24, 13 November 2018 (EST)
 * If Russians and even Germans can wear keffiyehs, so can Inklings. 130.65.254.6 17:30, 13 November 2018 (EST)
 * Show me an image of the inkling wearing that garb and you can put the trivia back up.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  18:56, 13 November 2018 (EST)

Please protect the Bayonetta (SSBU) article
I have seen edit warring by Umbra King7791 on the Bayonetta (SSBU) article. The person in question is adding information that is speculative. He was warned about it, even I had to warn him about it, but he is ignoring the warnings. I had to undo one of his edits today. I think that the page needs to be protected to prevent that. I also think the protection needs to last until release of Ultimate to prevent further edit warring. Corrin Fan 13:45, 17 November 2018 (EST)

Ink effect page
Do you think it would be about time to make the Ink effect page since Ultimate drops in under three weeks? Or does that have to wait a bit? Sonic, the Thankful Speedster  19:42, 17 November 2018 (EST)
 * Toomai has a draft set up just in case it is an effect, or just something special. Aidan,  the Thankful Rurouni  19:47, 17 November 2018 (EST)

Music (SSBU)
Hey Serpent King, do you think you could help with the one of the music charts again? This time, the F-Zero music section is having the same problems as the Mega Man section did before. Could you help again please? Sonic, the Thankful Speedster  17:42, 25 November 2018 (EST)
 * Sorry I took so long to get back with you, things have been busy. I looked at the article and found nothing wrong with it. Can you be more specific?  Serpent SKSig.png  King  13:49, 28 November 2018 (EST)
 * When I tried to make the F-Zero music section for Ultimate collapsible, it made every music section below it disappear, like what happened with the Mega Man section once before. SonicSpeed48ThanksgivingSig4.png Sonic, the Thankful Speedster FallLovingTigger.png 13:53, 28 November 2018 (EST)
 * Go ahead and do whatever you did again, and I'll look at it.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  13:56, 28 November 2018 (EST)
 * Actually, never mind. Someone must have done it for me. SonicSpeed48ThanksgivingSig4.png Sonic, the Thankful Speedster FallLovingTigger.png 14:08, 28 November 2018 (EST)

Why was 72.72.255.72 blocked?
According to the recent changes log, user 72.72.255.72 was blocked, even though they only undid an edit by 64.150.5.28, who was the actual source of the vandalism on the Masahiro Sakurai page. I am in no way related to either user, I am just asking if this was intentional. Everone123 (profile • talk • contribs) 16:16, 27 November 2018 (EST)
 * it was not, I'll fix it. Sorry about that everyone!  Serpent SKSig.png  King  16:23, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Thank you
I know this isn't really the place for this type of talk, and I do apologize for it, but has anyone told you that you rock, Serpent King? Sonic, the Cheerful Speedster  00:19, 7 December 2018 (EST)
 * I roll too.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  00:20, 7 December 2018 (EST)
 * You know what? You're a pretty awesome dude in my book, Serpent King. You honestly deserve a lot more recognition for all the work you do on here. High props to you, man! SonicSpeed48ChristmasSig4.png Sonic, the Cheerful Speedster ChristmasTimeTigger.png 00:27, 7 December 2018 (EST)

pretend attributes
how do I make them Sammybambam11 (talk) 14:59, 14 December 2018 (EST)
 * I'm not sure what you mean. Elaborate?  Serpent SKSig.png  King  02:37, 15 December 2018 (EST)

How dare you change my edits you butt. Why won't you allow it jerk, I bet you do not know the metal Iridium.kyogre (talk) 20:33, 16 December 2018
 * Because we report the accurate information. We don't have edits with "what people want" or "what people think it should be" or "pretend attributes". Have a nice day. Aidan,  the Festive Rurouni  15:35, 16 December 2018 (EST)

Rename request
Starting to feel a bit worn out by my current username. I would like a rename to Pancham if you will. sans {talk  • contributions ) 16:38, 16 December 2018 (EST)
 * As per NAMECHANGE please write back here in a few days to confirm your rename. Thanks!  Serpent SKSig.png  King  17:01, 16 December 2018 (EST)
 * Coming back here to confirm the change. sans {talk  • contributions ) 15:57, 20 December 2018 (EST)

Name Change
I would like to change my name to 'ProudPichu' UltimateWoomy (talk) 09:03, 18 December 2018 (EST)
 * As per NAMECHANGE please write back here in a few days to confirm your rename. Thanks!  Serpent SKSig.png  King  09:10, 18 December 2018 (EST)
 * Confirming the request. UltimateWoomy (talk) 12:00, 20 December 2018 (EST)

Can you pls merge IP Address with my Account. I accidentally editted while logged out.
I accidently Submmitted the following two changes: https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Boxing_Ring&oldid=1152250 https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Boxing_Ring&oldid=1152239 under my IP-Address. I didn't notice that i wasn't logged in. On another Tab i had created an account, but on the tab i used to click on edit i wasn't logged in (or i wasn't really logged in even though i just created the account). The Page allowed me to submit, so i didn't notice that i wan't logged in. Then i wanted to upload an image, but the page told me i had to log in. That's how i noticed i wasn't logged in. Can you please merge the IP Address with my Account (ProLink) or set me as the author of those two pages? Contact me if you need additional info or proof or whatever. And pls delete this when everything is sorted so that nobody sees my IP. Begging for your help, --ProLink (talk) 11:39, 18 December 2018 (EST)
 * The fact that edits were made with your IP is not an issue, but if you are worried about your privacy, I will strike the IP from the log  Serpent SKSig.png  King  12:15, 18 December 2018 (EST)
 * You will need to hide the summary for this edit as well. Black Vulpine  of the Furry Nation.  Furries make the internets go! :3  18:52, 18 December 2018 (EST)

You blocked one of Memoryman3's anonymous IP sockpuppets, but not the other.
Please block 198.15.118.150 ASAP. Also, put Clone, Dr. Mario (SSBU), Young Link (SSBU), Pichu (SSBU), Richter (SSBU) and Dark Samus (SSBU) under permanent (not temporary) semi-protection! Zakawer2 (talk) 17:54, 27 December 2018 (EST)
 * Woah, calm down a bit. I know you are frustrated by the Memoryman issue, but there's no need to demand for anything. SugarCookie420 (talk) 17:58, 27 December 2018 (EST)
 * We are discussing Clone right now but I will not put that many articles under protection. Too many constructive contributors blocked out.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  18:03, 27 December 2018 (EST)

Spirits compendium page
Hello! Quick question, can you create a new page called List of spirits (complete list) akin to List of stickers (complete list)? I have all the information ready but nowhere to add it. Thanks! GamblerMario (talk) 14:59, 2 January 2019 (EST)
 * List of spirits (complete list)  Serpent SKSig.png  King  15:08, 2 January 2019 (EST)

Rename request
My name was made when I was younger and so I would like to change it to "MetaCyde", if you will.  Anto99  (talk)  19:05, 3 January 2019 (EST)
 * As per NAMECHANGE, write back here in a few days to confirm your name change. Thanks!  Serpent SKSig.png  King  21:46, 3 January 2019 (EST)
 * You made a typo Serpent King, I guess you meant to tell the user to wait a few days per NAMECHANGE. I'm just letting you know of the typo. I'm not a grammar n*** or anything. I just letting you know of the typo. George Jones.jpg Corrin Fan Walls Can Fall.jpg 22:18, 3 January 2019 (EST)
 * SW:TALK technically doesn’t allow it but you could have changed it yourself and it would have been fine. Black Vulpine  of the Furry Nation.  Furries make the internets go! :3  00:07, 4 January 2019 (EST)
 * Better?  Serpent SKSig.png  King  07:29, 4 January 2019 (EST)
 * Well then, I'm coming back to confirm the change.  Anto99  (talk)  19:05, 5 January 2019 (EST)

Change to the yellow status?
Should we go from the red status to the yellow status? There is factors going in, like lower traffic and the things to do are going down. If we aren't ready to go to the yellow status, I have an idea. Once we get to less than 3,000 things to do, we can go into the yellow. Corrin Fan 20:10, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Name Change
If possible, I would like to change my username to just Hinata. Hinata2000100 (talk) 20:39, 16 January 2019 (EST)
 * As per NAMECHANGE Please write back here again in a couple of days to confirm this change. Thanks!  Serpent SKSig.png  King  20:44, 16 January 2019 (EST)
 * I'm here to confirm the change. Thank you! Hinata2000100 (talk) 03:56, 18 January 2019 (EST)

Belly Super Armor
Hey there, Serpent King! What do you think of the unblockable belly armor I've put up in the talk page? Juju1995 (talk) 22:17, 20 January 2019 (EST)
 * Not really sure what you are talking about, if you could perhaps be more specific?  Serpent SKSig.png  King  22:53, 20 January 2019 (EST)
 * In the Belly Super Armor's Talk page, I've stated the King K. Rool's stomach armor is unblockable against certain attacks, like Focus Attack. What do you think of it? Is it good? Juju1995 (talk) 23:03, 20 January 2019 (EST)

Smash Bros. logo gif
Remember when I said that I couldn't upload a GIF of the Super Smash Bros. logo that appears at the end of the opening'' of SSB? Now I know how and uploaded it. Hope that is alright. Juju1995 (talk) 20:04, 22 January 2019 (EST)

Victory pose image categories
Hey there man, I'm not trying to be rude but it took me an entire day to get all the SSBU victory poses up and running on the wiki, and I just can't be bothered to go back and add them all in. I hope you can understand. Mikoro (talk) 23:16, 31 January 2019 (EST)
 * I recommend you keep the discussion where it began (i.e. your talk page) as to make it easier to follow up, without having to read multiple talk pages.
 * As for the images, they're already done. NokiiSig.png Nokii — 23:58, 31 January 2019 (EST)

Vandal
has been making the rounds lately. SugarCookie420 (talk) 22:16, 1 February 2019 (EST)

I was asked to do this
Mario is better than Luigi kthx bai Spexx (talk) 21:55, 3 February 2019 (EST)

Similar edits like this one
Not so recently, I've seen some people creating what I believe is false information for tournament pages, something like the previous edit. There have been other users who have done something similar edits like this one, this one, where he stated he added a random crew battle cuz why not, and this one, where Ganondorf was spelled incorrectly just like the one linked in the title. I strongly feel like there is a "silent" vandal here who's purposefully replacing correct information, however at the same time I do have to assume that the vandal was doing it in good faith. I was wondering about your input on this matter. SugarCookie420 (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2019 (EST)
 * For now, just keep reverting it, if we come across a correlation in their behavior or IP addresses, then we can act.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  20:08, 8 February 2019 (EST)
 * He struck again. I've already warned him four times now to the point where I almost gave him a block talk. Is there really nothing we can do?  SugarCookie     420   22:26, March 19, 2019 (EDT)
 * Go ahead and create their talk page, highlight what they are doing wrong but make no mention of a block.  Serpent King  03:29, March 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * I already did that a while ago. Also, please tell me whether I went to harsh at the end, that wasn't really my intention.  SugarCookie     420   17:28, March 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * I cannot find evidence that Alvins and Vincey Boi are one in the same.  Serpent King  18:10, March 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * That's fine. Were all the users that were just blocked the same user?  SugarCookie     420   18:12, March 20, 2019 (EDT)

Would this requested change to the infobox be considered a consensus?
I’m really sorry to bother you, especially about the alternate genders table fiasco where we resorted to attacking each other. However, I just want to check in and see if this current proposal counts as a consensus, if the change is greenlit, and how to do it if it is (if possible).

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Forum:General_proposals#Should_major_alternate_costumes_be_placed_in_the_top_infobox_instead_of_being_lost_in_the_gallery.3F

Note: These users have voiced their opinions on the page. The “support@, “neutral”, and “oppose” sections were placed after they voiced their opinions. Additionally, I’m attempting to create the template with tabs inside of the Sandbox already. Would this change be acceptable

Support

 * : The one who made the proposal in the first place. Is currently attempting to test a new version of said template change in the Sandbox. Has no idea how to actually create tabs. Lou Cena (talk) 18:20, 11 February 2019 (EST)


 * ': The one who suggested using tabs in the first place. See his talk page for more. REQUESTING SIGNATURE AND/OR CLARIFICATION'

Neutral

 * ': disagrees with having the two images in the infobox without tabs. Neutral about the tabs. REQUESTING SIGNATURE AND/OR CLARIFICATION'

Unclear

 * ': disagrees with having two images in the infobox without tabs. Stance on tabs is unknown, as said proposition was suggested after he had given his stance on the issue. Could possibly be considered an opposer See Template talk:Infobox Character general. REQUESTING SIGNATURE AND/OR CLARIFICATION'


 * ': agrees with the notion that we should have major alternate costumes listed. Disagreed with the currently proposed notion of what actually is a major alternate costume previously, but current agreement on what qualifies as a major alternae costume is unknown due to not having commented here since. REQUESTING SIGNATURE AND/OR CLARIFICATION'


 * ': agrees with the notion that major alternate costumes should be in the imagebox. Disagrees with the use of tabs. Could possibly be considered a supporter. REQUESTING SIGNATURE AND/OR CLARIFICATION'

Thank you and sorry about earlier. Lou Cena (talk) 04:31, 12 February 2019 (EST)
 * As of right now I believe that having tabbed images in the infobox is a wikia exclusive extension, but in the case that it is not, it would need installed first.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  06:41, 12 February 2019 (EST)
 * It actually is not wikia exclusive, as it is on the regular wikipedia. Is this the installation you were talking about: https://extdist.wmflabs.org/dist/extensions/Tabs-REL1_32-56a9dd5.tar.gz

Lou Cena (talk) 21:01, 12 February 2019 (EST)

I’m really sorry for bringing this up again so soon, but what circumstances would allow a discussion to reopen.
Would the passage of time let me safely reopen a closed diacussion again? I know you said that they only ususally reopen if circumstances change, but I’m wondering about what would even qualify as a changed condition. For example, the symbol discussion would be a blockable offense for continuing on for the next few weeks, but would be acceptable after a month or two? For example, anybody who comments on the talk page will be blocked until the end of February, and then all discussion on it is to be ignored until March. I really don’t want to continue disruptive behaviour, but I’m finding the consensus even more inconsistent than how it was prior to the massive debate. I would bring up why I find it inconsistent, but that’s likely a bannable offense. I really don’t want to panic about it again by spamming talk pages again, so hopefully this will be the last time I do something like this on an admin’s talk page. I’m sorry that I brought this up again so soon. I just wanted some clearance on when I can safely reopen discussions.

The other reason why I brought this up is because the protection on that template ends in a few weeks, and although vehemently disgree with the current proposal, I felt like this is still worth looking into again as long as parroting arguements were to be ignored, especially since nobody had actually vandalized the template. Lou Cena (talk) 03:27, 14 February 2019 (EST)
 * A discussion should only be reopened if one of the following are true:
 * circumstances regarding the outcome have changed
 * a significant portion of the userbase is different from the original discussion
 *  Serpent SKSig.png  King  13:16, 14 February 2019 (EST)

What I'm doing
In Talk: Wolf (SSBU), Omega Tyrant wished for all notable player sections to be removed because it's still too early, and that sections are being crowded with unknown players. Since we haven't reached a full consensus on what to do (but it's pretty much there - the notable players section should be removed), I decided to shave off most "unnotable" players, those who contributed greatly to the character. Those sections will most likely still get removed in the end, so I decided to go ahead. That's why I removed the notable players section from Jigglypuff. SugarCookie    420   15:16, 17 February 2019 (EST)
 * I don't necessarily disagree, but there needs to be a proper discussion first before we mass remove all of it.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  15:32, 17 February 2019 (EST)
 * That's fine, I'll wait for some more responses on Wolf's talk page. I'll stop what I'm doing until a consensus is reached.  SugarCookie     420   15:44, 17 February 2019 (EST)

I need those two redirects deleted to move the pages they link to over.
I thought that was obvious. So long as Multi-Man Smash and Cruel Smash still exist as redirects, I can't move the actual pages over to those names. They're the only two pages left to move over, as 10-Man, 100-Man, 3-Minute, 15-Minute, Rival, and Endless have all been moved from "mode" to "Smash". VinLAURiA (talk) 17:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
 * You're moving redirects?  Serpent SKSig.png  King  18:14, 17 February 2019 (EST)
 * No, I need the redirects that currently exist at "Multi-Man Smash" and "Cruel Smash" deleted so that I can move the pages that are currently at "Multi-Man mode" and "Cruel mode" over to those spots. Since something already exists as the "Smash" spots (even if they're technically just redirects to the "mode" spots), it's not letting me make the move. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]]VinLAURiA (talk) 22:50, 19 February 2019 (EST)

Character Art
Hello Serpent King. I know the characters (now) get their alternate art on their Fighter Pages' infobox (Alt Character/Alt Gender/Alt Costume)(With Bowser Jr. being the current exception), but what about their main pages? For gender changes, Pokemon Trainer and WFT currently do, but Villager and Inkling do not. For alt outfits, Cloud and Bayo currently do, but should Wolf (,Yoshi) and Wario's be included as well? And speaking of which, should the Zelda characters get their iterations included as well? Or should the alt art only be included in the fighter pages that it applies to? &#32;Wolff (talk) 22:28, 23 February 2019 (EST)
 * Actually those are jus ones I forgot to do. Thank for the reminder. Lou Cena (talk) 22:30, 23 February 2019 (EST)

Rename
I would like to go by White Lightning please. Corrin Fan 10:39, 5 March 2019 (EST)
 * As per NAMECHANGE, please wait a couple of days, then write back here to confirm the name change. Thanks!  Serpent SKSig.png  King  10:48, 5 March 2019 (EST)
 * Confirming name change. George Jones.jpg Corrin Fan Walls Can Fall.jpg 15:09, 11 March 2019 (EDT)

Viewing over Editing
I have been looking at Smash Wiki for a while now, and yesterday I created an account to fix a few errors I saw. I still plan to make an edit when I see an error or something small missing from a page, but I don't plan to do larger things such as create entire pages. However, I am more likely to just browse around the wiki without a direct intent of looking for an error. I was wondering if it is ok for me to continue to prioritise just viewing the wiki rather than editing, as I am a fan of the series and I know much about the more technical parts of the game. RandomUltimate (talk) 16:20, 5 March 2019 (EST)
 * I suspect you're concerned about FIRST step 1. This refers specifically to editing habits, not the quantity of edits. There is no edit quota on the wiki, like most wikis it is a resource and nobody is required to edit it. That said, if you plan on using forums and userspace frequently, then yes you would be expected to make constructive edits as well.  Alex the  Jigglypuff trainer  16:47, 5 March 2019 (EST)
 * You are of course allowed to view our wiki without editing. Providing information to the public about our series is the purpose of this wiki.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  16:49, 5 March 2019 (EST)

Smashpedia similarities(ish)
So I recently looked at Smashpedia just for fun, and I realized that there are pages that have a striking similarity with ours. Now, I don't want to jump to the conclusion that they blatantly copied us, but since I think this problem came up in the past, whether we should do something about it or leave it be.

Pages I looked at were: here and here, compared to here and here, respectively. SugarCookie    420   18:46, 5 March 2019 (EST)
 * This has been an issue that we've been working with them on, it's a slow process. One thing though is that the claim on Ness is invalid because the article was created before the split, and as such, will carry similarities. At the time of the split, our wikis were nearly identical.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  03:31, 6 March 2019 (EST)

Is it safe to lower the protection status of the clone and echo fighter pages?
The only one who had added false information or removed valid information was memoryman3’s sockpuppets, and he hasn’t been seen on this wiki for nearly a month. Do you think it may be safe to lower the pages for clone and some of the echo fighter pages back to autoconfirmed now? Maybe not all of he echo fighters though, as Lucina, Chrom, and Ken have had too many pieces of info removed in the past, so they should still be established only, but I don’t see a problem with it for Dark Pit, Richter, Dark Samus, or even Daisy now (since we now know that she does have a difference). Lou Cena (talk) 17:28, March 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'm not sure that's such a good idea, especially since it's possible that Memoryman hasn't been active because of the new protection level. And something else concerns me as well, while I'm not going to point any fingers just yet, there is a user I've been keeping an eye on that might be another sock of his.  Alex the  Jigglypuff trainer  17:49, March 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Can you direct me to the user? And if it really isn’t a good idea, then I need to ask you of two favors: remove the trivia on Daisy’s page and the clone page stating that she’s the only clone with no functional differences whatsoever, and re-add that Richter vocalizes when using holy water? Thanks. Lou Cena (talk) 19:22, March 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * That information is on a need to know basis. I'll do the changes you suggested later when I have more time, unless someone beats me to it.  Serpent King  03:41, March 18, 2019 (EDT)

Can we protect the WikiStatusValue page?
There's been wars over what the value should be and the value has changed 7 times in a week, as well as (what I believe to be) unproductive talk. Should the page be locked until further notice? SugarCookie    420   16:53, March 25, 2019 (EDT)

How do I choose the color of my text?
I saw you made the notice in red text & it gave me an idea, but I'm not sure how to choose which color it becomes. How would I make something green or white? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 21:09, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
 *  Serpent King  21:11, March 31, 2019 (EDT)

Testing Thanks. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 21:12, March 31, 2019 (EDT)

K.K. Slider
Hello Serpent King. I may not understand understand why it was deleted, but I was wondering if the K.K. Slider page would be returning/rewritten? Considering it had been here since Brawl. Though I understand if it can't for whatever reason. &#32;Wolff (talk) 18:12, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * I was going to say the same thing. K.K. Slider has a page since he's a Mii costume, so deleting his page created a few red links, such as in the template. DryKirby64 (talk) 18:15, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * To answer the question, it was mistakenly thought to be an April Fools' Day joke.  SugarCookie     420   18:16, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * My mistake sorry. For some reason my mind was convinced that the whole article was AFD spam  Serpent King  18:17, April 1, 2019 (EDT)

Why's the new site display still up?
I thought it was an AFD thing, but it's still up. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 18:27, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * Hard refresh.  Serpent King  18:28, April 1, 2019 (EDT)

That's a bit much, isn't it ?
Hello there. I don't want this to be taken the wrong way, especially because I wouldn't like to be banned, but I think you need to be told that you seem a bit agressive. I don't know if this is because of the AFD cleanup, or because of something that happened in your personnal life, but despite not knowing you a few hours ago, I just witnessed you : You basically only were shutting up people each time. I know both Wolff and Lou Cena are a bit too excessive when they want to contribute, but they're also both well intended toward this wiki. And despite being stubborn from time to time, I can ensure you I'm well intended too, even throught this message. Sorry for using your talk page to tell you that, but I didn't find a way to send private message here... YoshiRyu (talk) 19:46, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * asking Wolff and me to stop talking about moves in a ongoing talk about moves that has been here since March 9
 * telling the same Wolff that the definition of clones can't be talked about because of Toomai (is it forbidden to disagree with him ? because I was about to do so too)
 * and banning Lou Cena without any warning for a month over a dumb april fool joke (instead of simply explaining him that it was offensive in your country)

 Serpent King  19:51, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * 1) The move discussion is occuring in the wrong place, I am simply redirecting it to the right place
 * 2) The clone discussion has to stop. It's been a non-stop pain in the ass for 4 months.
 * 3) Do I really need to explain why I banned Lou?
 * I don't think the discussion is occuring in the wrong place, it's about merging vs spliting moves pages, the moves we use are just exemple to illustrate our points, like I'm talking about the blasters specifically because as a Wolf main, so naturally I'm using what I know best.
 * I understand how it can be a pain in the ass, but I don't think it's a good thing to say to an user that Toomai's research are something that can't ever be reworked. It's too radical of a position, and as Toomai and you are both admins, you're sending the message that admins are entitled to decide what true or false about Smash, which gonna push people out of there.
 * No, but people have different sensibilities (especially when we don't know which country Lou Cena is from, well, maybe you do, I don't what you have access to as an admin). I'm sure you wouldn't have ban an user over a AFD joke about North Korea, yet it's quite a sensitive topic too, for Koreans. So I think that an undo and a message on his user page about banning him if he were to do that again would have been enough.
 * YoshiRyu (talk) 20:24, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * For your last point, Lou Cena was an IP before making an account here, and his IP matches one that can be found in the US.  SugarCookie     420   20:26, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * OK. But he is also an user that have made quite a lot of mistakes since he came here, but that have still been receptive each time to the feedback he has been given. I even managed to talk him out of an undo war, despite not having any legit authority. If I had to guess, I would honnestly say that he is probably just a kid trying to help the best he can, and that he just wanted to participate to AFD with the rest of the ssbwiki community without any malevolent intent. YoshiRyu (talk) 20:36, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * Age is irrelevant here. We judge people only on the actions that come out of their IPs and user accounts.  Serpent King  20:41, April 1, 2019 (EDT)

If I could clarify, I did not know that the clone discussion was "closed". I just wanted to know why a certain term was used. I apologize if I had unintentionally restarted a "closed" discussion regarding clones. That was not my intention. (would it be possible to add semi-permanent info on talk pages to inform people not to restart certain topics after they have been archived?) &#32;Wolff (talk) 20:07, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * Also, if I may please ask, you said General proposals page was not the correct page to discuss about merging and splitting moves. How are we suppose to tackle on how to handle more than one page for similar, if not the same, reasons? Where else other than the General proposals are we suppose to discuss if we don't want the same info being repeated on more than one talk page? (I apologize if I caused you any aggravation regarding these two/three talk pages) &#32;Wolff (talk) 20:07, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * I removed the merge tag from the Falco and Wolf articles for both blaster and reflector, intending discussion to go to the Fox ones. In this case, that's an easy answer.  Serpent King  20:15, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * So you are saying that there is not a page where we can discuss more than one move at a time? Like talking about the Blasters and Reflectors or the Silver Bow and Super Sheet for the same reason? Would it not make more clutter if "the move X is, and so the move Y is (ect)" was repeated on numerous pages? Also, If we are currently using the General proposals, why would it be removed? (isn't a discussion needed for a page like that to be deleted first?) &#32;Wolff (talk) 21:08, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * You just stick the tag one one article and mention what other articles the discussion would affect. You're making this out to be a much bigger deal that it is.  Serpent King  22:10, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * So we can discuss more than one move/page on a single talk page that is not the General? (Regardless if they came from the same series or not?) I was not sure if we could. &#32;Wolff (talk) 22:40, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * yep  Serpent King  22:43, April 1, 2019 (EDT)

@yoshiryu
 * 1) I want to eventually archive General proposals and never use it again, it is far to easy to miss discussions there.
 * 2) Read closer. I don't want any more "I think Ganondorf is a semiclone" discussions, but I am fine with "You say that this attribute for X character is cloned to Y character, and I disagree with that." All I want is more concise arguments. The threshold for full, semi, and pseudo clones is not to be disputed, but where each character falls on that spectrum can be.
 * 3) I am not discussing this one. KKK jokes are insensitive (or at least should be) world wide. I am not willing to be receptive of this.  Serpent King  20:32, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * Coming back after my block ended, I want to apologize first and foremost about everything I’ve done wrong in the past. However, I do that Ganondorf is still debatable as a semi-clone, so I adjusted my arguement for it, but before I continue further with the Ganondorf up tilt/psudeo-clone debate, I want to double check if I can debate what the cutoff for psudeo-clones and semi-clones is, just as long as I do not debate the actual definition of what any of the subcategories are. For example, currently on Talk:Clone, I have a proposal to change the cutoff percent for sharing a moveset to be 30-45% to 30-50% for psudeo-clones, but mentioned that I think that the groupings and names of the subcategories are perfectly fine sans the slight percentage error. Lou Cena (talk) 19:00, May 2, 2019 (EDT)
 * Nothing to say to that (but I had to put a # for the next numbers to be right).
 * I was more about rethinking the whole way Toomai made his comparison chart, but I guess I'm gonna do this on my own user page instead.
 * Sorry, but you're projecting your culture here. KKK is a sensitive topic yes, but only in the USA. I don't ask you to think that KKK joke are ok, just to aknowledge that other people may not think much of it, just like you would think much of a joke about Kim Jong-un, or about my own people who went throught a genocide you are probably not even aware of (and that's perfectly fine to me). I'm not telling you that you should have done nothing, just that a 1 month ban is too much. Undoing his edit, and banning him for 24 hours with a warning would have been enough I think.
 * YoshiRyu (talk) 20:49, April 1, 2019 (EDT)

Anyway, I think this small talk is over now, I made all the points I wanted too. You can make whatever you want out of it. You don't really need to either explicitly agree with me (I just wanted to give you my perspective, not to attack you, and I don't want to insist too much in a back and forth discussion) or to convince me I'm wrong (I'm not the one crazy enough to be an admin after all). You can delete/archive the whole section. This doesn't really need to be kept (PM would have been better suited for this). YoshiRyu (talk) 21:01, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * Why do you assume I know nothing of North Korea or Jong-Un? Jokes about that would be equally undesirable.  Serpent King  21:04, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'm assuming you know nothing about my people's genocide because 99% of the people doesn't even know it happened (and it has nothing to do with North Korea). YoshiRyu (talk) 21:10, April 1, 2019 (EDT)

I don't even know why Lou's ban is up for discussion. Jokes like this are offensive to many people. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 21:15, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * OK, let's stop the Lou Cena ban talk. It's not gonna go anywhere.  SugarCookie     420   21:16, April 1, 2019 (EDT)

Olimar's notes
You wanted proof that my article is real, so here! The article is featured on Pikipedia and is NOT a joke! --Smashtana (talk) 10:42, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
 * the article is a very well made april fools joke. go ahead try in game if you need to but there is no smash taunt for olimar. Xtra  Shulk_SSBU_foruser.png  Talk   Edits  10:47, April 2, 2019 (EDT)

OK! Thanks for telling me. Smashtana (talk) 11:20, April 2, 2019 (EDT)

Spirits on SSBU Fighter Pages
I'm asking here as I am not sure which "talk page" would be the most appropriate for this topic.

I don't think Spirits and their Spirit Battles should be listed on SSBU Fighter pages. For Spirits, we do not list the fighter's stickers on their SSBB Fighter pages (most likely because they do not have description like trophies do), so it confuses me why we list their Spirits and their related Spirit Battles on their SSBU Fighter pages as they are quite similar (if not the same, in this situation). I feel Spirits should only be on their general pages like stickers are. For the Spirit Battles, having the list of all the Spirit Battles for said fighter is in is does not seem necessary for their fighter pages, and kind of bloats the page a little. Especially considering we have all of the said Spirit Battles on the respective lists of Spirits.

I would appreciate it if you could direct me where the most appropriate "talk page" would be to discuss this topic. &#32;Wolff (talk) 21:59, April 6, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'd argue it's useful to know which Spirit Battles involve certain fighters, which is actually something I tried to do myself a while back, but didn't finish, because of just how many there are. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan  Leave a message if needed 22:30, April 6, 2019 (EDT)
 * There are a few points that make me think it is not really necessary in their Ultimate (SSBU) Fighter pages:
 * Spirits by themselves are almost the same as stickers in Brawl, which are not included on their Brawl Fighter pages.
 * We already have all the Spirit Battles listed for each Spirit in the Spirit pages.
 * Since Spirits can be added as free DLC, we'd have to keep adding to all of their fighter pages as well every time more are added, instead of just adding to the Spirit lists.
 * It really does not seem necessary as the info can be easily found elsewhere. I can find out that Peach will be an ally for "Bowser (Wedding)" and "Donkey Kong & Lady" just by looking for/at the Spirit itself. By finding the Spirit, I find the fighter(s) in the battle. When getting rid of the Spirit Battles by use of the preview, it looks a lot cleaner to me, as well as being more aligned with the other Fighter pages (SSB, SSM, SSBB, SSB4). &#32;Wolff (talk) 01:06, April 10, 2019 (EDT)

Discussion Time?
I am curious if there is a is there a time limit to rename, merge, or split a page.

If there were a few to agree with the change but with no opposition, how long until the decision could be carried out?

If no one else commented, would one still have to wait for a few others to agree before being able to proceed with said action, even if around a week/month or so had passed? (I wonder because if someone wanted to discuss, wouldn't they have done so before a week or month were to pass?)

I was just wondering if there was an answer for those types of situations as I've seen suggestions for renaming, merging, or splitting going completely unanswered, or not carried out when it was in agreement, after weeks/months/years (At least according to the discussion page its not). &#32;Wolff (talk) 01:26, April 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * If there are few or no responses after a significant amount of time, the topic should be dropped as no quorum.  Serpent King  09:30, April 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * I guess that makes sense. Thank you. &#32;Wolff (talk) 23:09, April 30, 2019 (EDT)

Rename request
Time to abandon SugarCookie420. I would like to change my username to Cookies and Creme, if that works. SugarCookie    420   17:02, May 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * As per NAMECHANGE, please write back here in a few days.  Serpent King  17:03, May 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * Confirming that I want to change my username.  SugarCookie     420   12:49, May 5, 2019 (EDT)

Fire Bow temporary fix
As I mentioned on the article's own talk page, I am of the belief that the page should be reverted to the edit before Lou Cena's series of changes. The previous edit, by SnorlaxMonster, has the article begin with:
 * Fire Bow (renamed Fire Arrow in Ultimate)

I feel like doing so would be a good fix for the time being. However, as I am not an administrator, I cannot make that edit myself. DarkFox01 I see them up ahead. Let’s rock and roll! 00:55, May 4, 2019 (EDT)
 * I actually agree with this notion. I mistakenly thought that we had a solid foundation for a consensus, but until the page actually does get moved, we should keep the beginning as SnorlaxMonster had it. Lou Cena (talk) 01:46, May 4, 2019 (EDT)

Two Symbols
I was wondering about a page using two series Symbols on its page. You've said that it apparently had been discussed before and that it should only have one. Aside from potential clutter, what is the reasoning behind that? Aside from the Ellipses, what happens if two Symbols apply to the page? I ask as both Kamek (Mario/Yoshi) and Pauline (Donkey Kong/Mario) use two symbols. Do only characters with fighters get to have two? &#32;Wolff (talk) 03:19, May 4, 2019 (EDT)
 * No. There should be only 1, ever. As you said, it's clutter.  Serpent King  03:39, May 4, 2019 (EDT)
 * Are you sure? I know Pauline is still a recent page, but both Kamek and Shy Guy have used two since 2014/2015. Regardless, despite being listed from two universes within Smash, which would they use if they can only use one? Mario? However, in Smash, Kamek and Shy Guy's trophies are listed as Yoshi, while Pauline's is listed as Donkey Kong. Their Spirits however are listed under Mario. Should they only use Yoshi and Donkey Kong because of their trophies, or Mario because of their Spirits? &#32;Wolff (talk) 11:50, May 4, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'm sure. It just comes off looking messy, and especially putting in minor universes like the mii one and Mario (for things like Yoshi), it gives the sense that we aren't sure which universe the subject belongs to, even though we are.  Serpent King  13:19, May 4, 2019 (EDT)
 * Then we should remove the Mario symbol from Kamek and Shy Guy as, apart from Ultimate, they've always been listed as part of the Yoshi series? If so, what about Pauline? She's been listed as part of Donkey Kong before Ultimate. &#32;Wolff (talk) 13:37, May 4, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yes and yes to Kamek and Shy. Pauline is DK.  Serpent King  13:39, May 4, 2019 (EDT)
 * Okay. I updated them so only one symbol is in use now. &#32;Wolff (talk) 13:53, May 4, 2019 (EDT)

The KK Slider bad april joke
did someone vandalism and support terrorists on kksliders page? I remember seeing that when I last visited and that make me uncomfortable. Is this wiki safe to view? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.169.218 (talk • contribs)
 * For information on this incident, read User talk:Lou Cena.  Alex the  Jigglypuff trainer  16:40, May 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * An anonymous IP, with no history on the wiki, that went straight to a moderator page, the one of the very moderator that handled the situation, and uses big words like "terrorists"... Sure looks a lot like someone is trying to gaslight against another user... I don't like it. Yes, IP 172.58.169.218, this wiki is safe to view, as is the actual KKK page on wikipedia.org, because knowledge won't actually hurt you. Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. YoshiRyu (talk) 07:52, May 16, 2019 (EDT)

That was me. No, I do not support terrorists. It was an ironic joke that I didn’t think through. We’re done with that now. I got blocked for a month and learned my lesson. So yes, IP, the wiki is safe to view. Lou Cena (talk) 10:41, May 16, 2019 (EDT)

Questions on consensus and how to move a page with a redirect
It seems fairly unanimous to me that Fire Bow should be moved, with 7 users voicing support and the only opposition being that Wolff and I edit warred to make it an early decision (that was my fault) and that we should rename other pages (which I have already placed tags on some). However, I just want to double check if I can move it.

Also, when I did “move” it that one time by switching the contents of each page, I actually tried to move Fore Bow normally, but it said that I couldn’t. Is there a way to bypass that issue without having to copy-paste the contents to each page? Lou Cena (talk) 01:05, June 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * You can't move over a redirect with more than 1 edit to it, that's the technicality. You need an admin to do it (as I have) in that case. Moving by replacing text is never acceptable because you lose edit history that way.  Serpent King  01:30, June 3, 2019 (EDT)