User talk:Doc King/Archive 1

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 * Megatron1 (talk) 23:08, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want to talk to me, go on IRC.--Megatron1 (talk) 23:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Doc King (talk) 23:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Whats that? Doc King (talk) 23:12, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a way to talk. On the left side of the monitor, you'll see gaming IRC. Click on it. When you reach the page, type in Doc King and choose #wikia-smashbros as your channel.--Megatron1 (talk) 23:15, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Hey.
Stop making so many forums at such a consistent rate. If you'd like to discuss different topics in one forum, do so by giving the names of each topic in the title or in the forum itself (the latter option is what I recommend). Also, work on your grammar. Thank you!  BNK [ E 18:09, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, please don't bump nine month old forums to add no actual content. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 18:49, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, what's wrong with too many forums and bumping 9 month old forums. If the forums don't exist, then why don't you just delete them?! Doc King (talk) 19:36, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's because SmashWiki is not intended for forum-ing, as it acts as a sink to actually improving the wiki, plus there's far better sites for such. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] eXemplary Logic  The Stats Guy  The Table Designer  19:48, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Look, I'm at the point of not caring if there is actual good forum use going on. That said, making one line OPs about every little thing you think is unacceptable even on a dedicated forum site.  Also, bumping old forums is fine if you have something new to add to the discussions.  But simply bumping to +1 the consensus that a forum has reached is not good forum etiquette.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 19:55, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I guess I'll just get smashboards then. Doc King (talk) 18:11, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Can i ask you something?
How can you add those tier lists in those forums? I wanna make one. Zeldasmash (talk) 18:17, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Zeldasmash, before you get yourself into trouble, read SW:NOT. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 18:21, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * If he wants to discus some tier lists he's made, I don't think that's a problem per se. That said, make sure to make actual compelling posts about why you have the tier lists and don't get defensive to the point of flaming when people disagree with you.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 19:20, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Zeldasmash, you can just go to a tier list and go to edit, and then, you can just copy the stuff that's needed to make the list and then you can organize it by color, tiers, characters' orders, etc. Doc King (talk) 13:37, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Your question about deleting
I thought it would be better to put this here than Megatron1's talk page, where you asked how to delete stuff. The answer is this: you can't delete things yourself, but you can ask that they be deleted by putting or  at the top of it (replacing "reason" with why you think it should be deleted). See here for details. Toomai Glittershine  eXemplary Logic  The Stats Guy  The Table Designer  15:34, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank You Toomai! Doc King (talk) 15:48, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Recovery Suggestions
Falco needs to be raised to about 16, Ganondorf needs to be lowered to about 10, and Kirby needs to be raised to about 13.- Ivy 73  23:33, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think Ganon should be lowered but I kindof agree with the others. Doc King (talk) 23:43, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Adding this here to make sure you see it
Please start putting more effort into your forum posts. A (sub)title and a one line OP is not good posting. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 05:15, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Pro
While I'm flattered that you call me a pro, I'm not one according to the definition of the term as I have yet to be in an actual tournament. As such, I don't know if I'm at a professional level, but I can't be considered one until I have enter some actual tournaments. Omega  Tyrant   14:12, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, zeldasmash told me that u were pro and so I thought u were. I know were not pros but were pretty good at this game. Also what's ur wii code? Doc King (talk) 14:14, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * My Wii code is on my talk page where I responded to your question. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 14:19, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

I put the tier list
I put the tier list in your pages. You can make the changes now. Zeldasmash (talk) 21:09, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Word to the wise: don't mess with other people's user pages.  I can't find any instance of him asking you to do this, so I'm going to revert it.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 22:31, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wasn't messing with his page. He gave me permission to put that in his page. Zeldasmash (talk) 22:47, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I did. Doc King (talk) 00:04, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

No
Stop trolling. You're in risk of being banned with you're recent comment on that IP's page.  --Havoc  Reaper '48  01:28, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the troll, lets just pretend it didn't exist, alright. Please! Doc King (talk) 01:34, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict)


 * HR48 doesn't have the authority to make that decision, and neither do I. The best thing to do would be to make some constructive edits and never ever troll again. Dr. Pain 99  [[File:dp99.png]]  Talk  01:36, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're a bit too late... I don't have the evil powers to really do much (yet! :D), but still, I'd be very careful with future posts.  --Havoc  Reaper '48  01:40, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, got it! Doc King (talk) 01:42, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Understand the Rules
Maybe you should read our policies. You seem to be showing a lack of understanding of some of them. You aren't supposed to remove content from talk pages (if you change your mind about something you say cross it out by putting it in between &lt;s&gt; and &lt;/s&gt; tags), and you aren't supposed to attack people. If you don't stop, one the admins will ban you. Dr. Pain 99   Talk  01:28, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that! I won't do it again! Doc King (talk) 01:33, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

3rd Recovery Tier List
Are you still working on it? Zeldasmash (talk) 20:55, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I am still working on it. Doc King (talk) 21:04, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wanna help. :) Zeldasmash (talk) 21:09, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * We can decide on recoveries tomarrow in the irc. Make sure you have ur Melee game on. Doc King (talk) 21:11, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have played Melee for 9 years ever since the game was released, i pretty much know most of the recoveries. Zeldasmash (talk) 21:13, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Its ok, other ppl will help too. Doc King (talk) 21:17, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can it be like this

Excelent Very Good Good Okay Limited Zeldasmash (talk) 21:28, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Jigglypuff
 * Samus
 * Link
 * Mewtwo
 * Pikachu
 * Zelda
 * Pichu
 * Captain Falcon
 * Fox
 * Ganondorf
 * Luigi
 * Kirby
 * Mario
 * Mr.Game&Watch
 * Ice Climbers
 * Young Link
 * Dr.Mario
 * Roy
 * Marth
 * Ness
 * DK
 * Bowser
 * Yoshi
 * Well, not exactly, we will discuss it tomarrow and we would all have to agree on something, ok! Doc King (talk) 21:55, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why not today Zeldasmash (talk) 22:51, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because I'm not sure about the recoveries right now alright! Doc King (talk) 01:44, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

IRC
I am in the IRC, wanna talk Zeldasmash (talk) 16:45, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

YOU THE MAN!!!
You actually gave me credit for the tier list trivia!!. YOU ARE THE BEST. I want to help you with the list changes Zeldasmash (talk) 21:27, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, you can just use the table I've used for the second one and you can write out the differences between both recovery ssbm tiers. Doc King (talk) 21:38, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think i change my mind. I think you should do it, im sorry :( Zeldasmash (talk) 22:33, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Its ok, thanks 4 offering though! Doc King (talk) 23:09, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it okay if i put ratios under the characters? Zeldasmash (talk) 23:31, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * No. Doc King (talk) 23:32, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yes!! I got in the credits! Thanks a lot Doc!- Ivy 73  23:38, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * No prob! Doc King (talk) 23:41, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Did you know you put my mains in the top tier but in reverse order right?Zeldasmash (talk) 00:59, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * As soon as you put that on the trivia, I've known that. Doc King (talk) 01:49, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay i put the ascends and descends, we just need the reasons now. Zeldasmash (talk) 02:48, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, i'll do that tomarrow! Doc King (talk) 04:19, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

:)
You're my goddamn hero. You put me in the tier list changes, gave me credit for helping you. You are possibly the only friend i have that is like this. Zeldasmash (talk) 18:41, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, Thanks! Doc King (talk) 18:43, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I want to help you with the upcoming tier lists. Zeldasmash (talk) 18:51, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, but there not going to be around for a while but yeah sure you can help! Doc King (talk) 19:01, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Your fourm posts.
Please start putting more effort into your posts. A single line and a title is not an acceptable OP, and "yeah, I agree" adds nothing to the discussion. Please actually try to start the discussion with your OPs. Link to a video that shows what you're talking about, discuss the properties of the moves you think are important, describe a match-up that proves a point, or just try to answer your own question. Whatever you do, an OP should never be shorter than what I have written here, and that is rather short in an of itself. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 21:00, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and this is unacceptable. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 02:32, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will try to make my forums better and what was so bad about what I said to the person who sweared? I was just helping him so he doesn't get banned and so he knows the rules of Smash Wiki. So does that mean I can't correct ppl then? Doc King (talk) 04:31, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * CHawk isn't saying your forum topics are bad, he is saying that you should put more effort into your posts on forums. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 04:35, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Doc King: you can help people to try not to get banned. However, you went the wrong way about it. First, don't say Clarinet Hawk will ban you; you shouldn't threat an anonymous user with a ban, and it's not fair to Clarinet Hawk that you specifically used his name. Second, don't bother warning IPs whose only edit is clearly vandalsim; it won't solve anything. Third, you were a little late on that post; the user was already banned. I'm not sure which one of these caused CHawk to say it was unacceptable, but if youre going to warn users, don't do It the way you did. Dr. Pain 99  [[File:dp99.png]]  Talk  04:56, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, while swearing is frowned upon here in Smashwiki, there are no rules against it. You can ask Semicolon to provide an argument, but he's not currently active. Mr. Anon teh awsome 05:36, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, sorry Clarinet, I didn't mean to make you look bad or anything, i was just trying to help out. Doc King (talk) 14:39, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not worried about that, I did ban that guy, so that's not the issue. In general, however, don't backseat mod.  Let an admin know about something, and we'll look into it.  Posting right below like that is just a good way to stir things up.  Also, when I add the temp ban, that means I've already seen it.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 18:42, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok then! Doc King (talk) 19:15, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hey!
Doc King aren't we supposed to be working with the matchup changes? Oh and by the way, put comments 4 next to the video comment at the top of the forum. Zeldasmash (talk) 01:19, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I had to do something important, I'll work on them as soon as possible. Doc King (talk) 14:54, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I already did Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth, Captain Falcon and Samus (still in development). Zeldasmash (talk) 15:15, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. Doc King (talk) 15:21, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Doc's Matchups
I will let you do Doc's matchups and Ganondorf's matchups if you like. I will take care of Link and Mewtwo's matchups. Zeldasmash (talk) 16:30, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks Zelda! Doc King (talk) 16:50, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

WTF to Mewtwo!?
Why did you lower Mewtwo to mid tier? Zeldasmash (talk) 17:03, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, many ppl were arguing that Mewtwo was easy to KO and so I was in training mode and then I relized that he is somewhat easy to KO so he moved down. Doc King (talk) 17:08, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * So what?. Don't you know he has more recovery options than most of the cast and did you see that video i left in the page (the on with the square)?. Zeldasmash (talk) 17:10, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well couldn't see the vid but you can change the list if you want, any1 can! Doc King (talk) 17:11, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Things are getting out of hand
Everyone keeps complaining about the tier list. Should i increase the size the tier list so they can understand that we are trying. Zeldasmash (talk) 15:41, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * People are not complaining, they are criticising your prediction for the next tier list. As I told you on the IRC, if you didn't want people criticising your list, you should not have posted it outside your userspace. Either learn to properly deal with criticism or do not post a made up tier list in a forum ever again. By posting it in the forum, you are showing that you want people's opinion on it and you should expect people to have a different opinion than yours. You should know that people are likely to disagree with you and it's your own fault if you didn't prepare yourself for it. As such, before posting another tier list outside your userspace, be prepared to deal with criticism and come up with valid arguments to support your opinion. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 17:27, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Even if you post it in your userspace, people can and will criticize it. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 17:41, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * That may be true, but when you are posting something in a forum, you are directly asking for comments from other users. This is unlike your userspace, which from what I seen, users tend to ignore other users' "tier lists". Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 17:50, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I know critisizing will happen and Clarinet, I thought your opinion was the best out of everyone! Congradulations Clarinet Hawk!!! Doc King (talk) 18:49, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Chart
I already did Dr. Mario's matchups and i am doing Ganondorf's matchup's right now how about you check Dr. Mario's matchups and fix them if you think something is wrong. Now. Zeldasmash (talk) 19:47, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR 300 EDITS!!!!!!!!!!!! Zeldasmash (talk) 20:21, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank You! Doc King (talk) 20:29, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * The matchup chart is ready for you to fix or edit. Zeldasmash (talk) 20:56, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Zelda Page
Stop making your edits to the Zelda page and read this. D  P  99    21:20, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was just adding some trivia to Zelda's page, why is that a problem? Doc King (talk) 23:51, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * It wasn't needed. It's like adding "Kirby is the only Kirby Series characer".-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 23:53, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * But I think that Zelda should at least have a few trivia facts to her page and the stuff there was true. Doc King (talk) 23:55, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not a problem for a page to lack trivia; in fact in some ways it's best if trivia can be avoided. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] eXemplary Logic  The Stats Guy  The Table Designer  23:56, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I see what you mean there Toomai. I thought it would be good to add some interesting facts for Zelda. Doc King (talk) 00:00, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

SSBB Tier List Opinion
Do you want to do a SSBB tier list opinion between both of us? Zeldasmash (talk) 22:57, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not now because there's not gonna be another one soon and I don't want ppl to yell at us XD! But maybe in the future. Doc King (talk) 23:53, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

IRC
Lets talk in the IRC. Zeldasmash (talk) 16:13, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

QDV
Don't call out vandals. Just report them, and make sure an admin hasn't already dealt with them first. Toomai Glittershine  eXemplary Logic  The Stats Guy  The Table Designer  23:51, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, and admin hasn't dealt with them so that's why I told him that. Doc King (talk) 00:03, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Salad banned the IP before you posted that message on the IP's talk page and even then, an admin would have taken care of them regardless of whether or not you left the IP that message. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 00:17, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry bout that Omega, didn't know! Doc King (talk) 00:23, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

This post
Exactly how did you get the idea that this was a good post. I know you're right, but that guy was clearly trolling. Responding to those kind of edits just causes trouble. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 23:01, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry Hawk. Doc King (talk) 23:56, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Your block
I have asked you many times to start putting more effort into your forum posts, especially the OPs. Instead, you continue to post one line responses and OPs with no content. Don't just say, I think Mario is going to rise because this guy got 2nd with him. Explain why that guy got second, and what about it will translate to Mario being more effective in the metagame. Describe his characteristics and how those make him a valuable character. A forum is only as good as the OP, and as none of your forums have had good OPs. While writing this, I realized that you probably thought you were putting actual content in by linking the video and saying this guy got 2nd. Therefore, I am shortening your ban, but I do want you to understand that one mention of a tourney and a link to a youtube video is not an acceptable OP. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 14:09, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I will put more effort into forums from now on. Now I'm going to edit more of that forum. Doc King (talk) 14:22, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ivnvite to Smashfan Wiki
Doc, you got an invitation from ZS to come to the smashfan wiki with him. He wants something.- Ivy 73  16:01, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for telling me Ivy. Doc King (talk) 16:06, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

1RV
When someone reverts your edit, you do not revert their revert with no explanation. You bring the edit in question on the talk page if you disagree with the revert. Violate this policy again and you will get blocked. Omega  Tyrant   02:30, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry OT! Doc King (talk) 02:34, July 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * You did it again! Apparently youre not sorry. Dont apoligize if youre just going to go and do it again. Doctor Pain 99 ( C  T  E ) [[file:dp99.png]] 05:16, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Opinions for the next melee tier list
Can i put a tier list table on your opinion of the next tier list? (Mr. Game & Watch does not deserve to be bottom). Zeldasmash (talk) 23:01, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure. Doc King (talk) 23:45, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I finished but i made some changes to it. Zeldasmash (talk) 00:31, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, can you change the things that they were before you changed them please? Doc King (talk) 01:03, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can have your list back, I don't want it. Doc King (talk) 01:05, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * And, ZS, please don't do something without permission on my page, I'll block you from my page if you do that again! Doc King (talk) 01:10, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Out of hand Doc. You don't threaten a user with a ban. However, you can tell an admin that he isn't listening to what you say next time.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 01:11, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok Mega sorry. And ZS, don't change a list and then say its mine, thats copyright! Doc King (talk) 01:18, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * No it is not copyright. In fact, anything that you post on this (or any wikia wiki) is immediately not copyright.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 13:31, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh......... Sorry did not know that. I did the little change you wanted me to do for the next tier list. Zeldasmash (talk) 01:22, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

YOU DID
You did give me permission to do that, remember when i asked you to put a table on you opinion for the next tier list, i meant that. Zeldasmash (talk) 01:14, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * But, I didn't give you permission to change anything! Doc King (talk) 01:28, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh i understood that backwards sorry. I though you wanted me to put the tier list in your userpage, sorry. Zeldasmash (talk) 01:30, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I wanted you to put it in my page, I just didn't want you to make any changes to it. And once again, DON'T CHANGE IT!!!!! Doc King (talk) 01:32, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can i put it on your tier list page? (you know where your other tier lists are) Zeldasmash (talk) 01:36, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * No. Put it in yours. It's not mine. Doc King (talk) 01:39, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Your block
You have been blocked for apparently refusing to listen to and accept reasonable arguments in discussions (such as tier list discussions). You seem to have little sense of importance (constantly thinking things are more or less important then they actually are) and your arguments have no proof other than rather minor/unimportant videos. I suggest you find better proof for your claims and learn to argue before you enter another argument. Toomai Glittershine 02:30, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, sorry Toomai, I was just pointing out some good reasons. It's not a big deal! Doc King (talk) 02:37, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you were not "pointing out some good reasons." You were simply stating something you believed with no justification, then responding to people by simply restating your argument without any further argument.  You have been warned for this many times, dating back to before you even made an account.  Go back and look at our discussion in the Mario thread.  Off the top of my head, the total length of your posts is equivalent to about two of mine, and we were going one for one and I wasn't full out wall-of-texting.  From now on, when you post, I expect to see actual content to your posts.  If you think Scorpion Master is redefining the metagame in favor of Mario, explain how.  Don't just link to a video, give specific times in the video where technique/strategy X is being used and why that is important to the metagame.  Give examples of how and why that will continue to occur and work throughout the Melee scene.  We're not telling you to stop making arguments about how the tier list should change, but telling you that there is a certain level of information and effort that should go into such arguments.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 04:19, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry C. Hawk, thats what im trying to do, sorry if it's not good to you. Doc King (talk) 16:24, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Your edits to the Tournament legal (SSBB) page
So, I'm searching SmashBoards and finding nothing on it. Methinks it would have been a pretty big announcement... Anyway, the links to rules threads all go to the April post. I need the links that you are referencing in your edit, now. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 15:14, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Doc King put this link on the IRC: BBR Rule List 3.0 Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] 15:38, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, how the fuck did I miss that... Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 15:40, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * You probably weren't on the IRC when I gave the link. Doc King (talk) 16:23, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know I wasn't on IRC then, I'm just surprised I missed it when searching. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:55, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Doc, it's kind of obvious that he wasn't on IRC. No point in stating the obvious. Not everyone needs to know.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 04:01, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

SSBB Recovery Chart
I decided to fix t a little bit. You can also comment to see if you like it right? Zelda smash  18:20, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

SSBB Recovery Tier List Terrible Talk
Ignore what Mega and Ivy said. If you think i am involved in what they said, than i apologize. I am not a mean person to anyone. Zelda smash  18:50, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Your IRC ban
Your behaviour on the IRC today was pretty pitiful. Now, it may partially be because there were others there responding to your arguments, but it's still primarily your fault in the end.

Now, if you're interested in being on the IRC again, the process will begin as such: First, you will state here why you think you were banned. Do not bring other users into your argument. If your memory is fuzzy, the segment of the conversation I recorded can be found here. Toomai Glittershine 20:13, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, ive thought ive been banned cause of the arguements and you guys are sick of me. Is that correct? Doc King (talk) 20:16, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Close. You were banned because you not only called people "tier whores" (regardless of who those people are), but you proceeded to use personal attacks on Zeldasmash. Having an argument isn't a problem as long as you stay civil, which you clearly did not. Now, you also tended to contradict yourself. This isn't related to your block, but why do you constantly appear to be (for lack of a better word) a hypocrite? You say "admins are not kings" but proceed to say they're "god tier", for example. Why the inconsistency? Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] 20:22, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, if you dont like it so much, ill stop. Doc King (talk) 20:28, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's good; nobody likes it when people aren't making sense. That leads into the next point: Why are you so convinced that the tier list is wrong? Admittedly the current one is rather old and there's talk of a new one, but your opinions are wildly divergent from what everyone else seems to be saying. There's nothing wrong with having a differing opinion, but answer this: Considering that it's your opinion against the combined opinions of tens of thousands of professionals, why is it you think that you're right and they're wrong? Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] 20:35, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well no pro ever said that Peach>Falcon, or Mario=Low tier or something like that ok? Doc King (talk) 20:39, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why do you think that? The tier list is a combination of a ton of opinions and tournament results. At least one pro would have said what you just typed. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] 20:42, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * So u gonna unbanned me now!? Doc King (talk) 20:41, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Toom, I don't think that I'm always right and everyone is wrong, I was just making conversation! Doc King (talk) 01:52, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * More specific would be better. What was wrong about what you said?-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 01:54, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * What I said was very hurtful and untruthful to some of the admins on the Wiki. Also what I complained about wasn't really necessary. Doc King (talk) 02:04, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's like I'm walking you through this. See everything you did wrong. Give some kind of wall of text or something. It doesn't have to take a min. Take as long as you want. State what you did wrong, how it was wrong, and what you plan on doing later to improve.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 02:06, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, so what I did wrong was argue and talk trash about people like ZS, C. Hawk, and Salad. I also wasn't paying attention to people Aand was continuously arguing with ppl. I even overreacted to things I've shouldn't have. It is wrong because it makes users mad and offended, it claims people as bad, and it basically makes a whole rampage. What I'll plan on doing later is basically go back in time (and what i mean is being nicer to people, not arguing as much (unless if it's a serious offense), and respect some things, even though I disagree with them). So in conclusion, I'll please want to have IRC back and to become friends again (like old times)! Doc King (talk) 02:32, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good paragraph. It's still up to Toomai, who may be asleep. So please be patient.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 02:44, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok Megatron1! Doc King (talk) 02:47, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Your block
Seeing you most recent edit to User talk:Zeldasmash, you deserve to be blocked according to NPA. Toomai Glittershine 20:17, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * ZS Fucking tried to attack on me by saying "oh, you cant insult someone cause he's an admin!" or "Do that again and you're going to get banned" and stuff lite that! so why the hell is he not blocked!? Doc King (talk) 20:30, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are blaming this all on ME?! Zelda  smash  20:32, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * ZS. Please don't do this. Doc. He might not have payed attention and viewed it as an exception to that. One mistake. That's it. ZS. Don't responds to insults like this. It makes it worse, like a troll.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 20:34, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because (a) he did it in a civil way and (b) he may not have known about the somewhat-unwritten rule about not discussing blocks. Discussing blocks isn't really a blockable offense anyway. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] 20:34, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I did that to an IP and C. Hawk told me not to! WTF!? Doc King (talk) 20:36, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * We are telling ZS to not do it. What is bad about someone telling you not to do it?-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 20:37, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

DK, please stop. If you keep getting banned, you might end up with a permablock. I don't want that to happen to you. If you don't like how he's treating you, politely tell him to stop, not like this. I thought we were all friends. Mr. Anon teh awsome Anon  Sir Anon  the great  20:40, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * We were just talking about not talking about blocks, don't do it. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] 20:42, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I say you should apologize to ZS for your foul language and personal attacks. I don't get it. You two were great friends and now you two are like enemies.- Ivy 73  20:44, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Toomai: Edit conflict. Mr. Anon teh awsome  Anon  Sir Anon  the great  20:45, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, ill stop and yes Anon, were all still friends! Doc King (talk) 20:47, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to hear that. Now everything's cool? Zelda  smash  20:49, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, ok, so Toom, can you please unblock me and unbanned me from IRC? Doc King (talk) 20:50, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a tip here: you shouldn't ask admins to unblock you. Just give them some room and they'll do it themselves. That way, they don't feel like your badgering them (:. Mr. Anon teh awsome  Anon  Sir Anon  the great  20:57, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok Anon Doc King (talk) 20:59, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm not going to unblock you. You made bad choices and will face the consequences. Now, it's possible another admin will think your block is for too long, and they're free to shorten it a bit, but you're not getting a second free unblock. Toomai Glittershine 21:02, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine! If you let a User try to tell me what to do when I can't do the same, then im just gonna leave then! And don't bother telling me to come back when you need me cause i won't bother helping you! Do everything yourselves im outta here for a while! If you want me back then unblock me and don't treat me like crap! Cause thats Bullshit what ZS did to me!! Doc King (talk) 21:09, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Doc, you're block ends in a week. You should know that. And tbh, ZS did the same thing you said. We essentially warned him. You overreacted and assaulted him.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 21:13, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

IRC ban!
Anybody gonna unbanned me from IRC! Please! Doc King (talk) 01:46, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Stop begging and do what Toomai told you. Begging won't get you anywhere.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 01:46, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright Mega, I'll stop arguing to you guys, I just want things to be back to normal again! Doc King (talk) 01:54, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Your wiki block ends on the 12th. I don't intend to unblock you from the IRC until that day at the earliest - unless you can provide a very good reason for needing the privilege. Oh, and you really should be patient. Wanting someone to "unbanned" you does nothing to help your cause. Toomai Glittershine 02:03, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

User page edits
Do it in one edit.-- Mega  Tron1  XD   16:40, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Exclamation points!
Stop using them as often as you are. It is completely unnecessary and extremely annoying. Toomai Glittershine 17:44, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * How are they unnecessary? Not that it's a big deal, but I'm just wondering. Doc King (talk) 17:48, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Using !'s at the end of every sentence makes it seem like you're being loud, similar to using ALL CAPS. But while using all caps is more like yelling in anger, using !'s is more like being obnoxious. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] 17:52, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll stop then. Doc King (talk) 17:53, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Don't.
Stop editing Megatron1's userpage. First of all, he's saying your arguments "aren't any good", not that they "suck"; and second of all, it's his opinion, and therefore you have no right to change/remove it. It is also not a personal attack because it is directed at your arguments, not you. Finally, it's a general (somewhat unwritten) rule that users never edit other users' userpages unless there's something that breaks Wikia's terms of service or something. Toomai Glittershine 23:03, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and because you've edited it four times now, you have to be blocked for edit warring. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 23:04, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Your new block
Well, you blew it once again. After being blocked for a day for edit warring another user's userpage, you go and rage on the DK Wiki's IRC. To be blunt, you are not the kind of person we like to have around here. You anger too easily, you seem to have a hard time listening to other people, and you in general act like a jerk. Your edits to the wiki are acceptable, but you need to get a better attitude. Toomai Glittershine 00:20, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Why are you altering the SSBB 1st tier list table?
I can see you're rather determined to attempt to center this table. But it cannot be centered perfectly, so trying to do so makes it look off-center anyway. Because of this, it's best to leave it in a "skewed" state. Also, if you disagree with someone's edit, you should never revert it more than once without going to the talk page first. Toomai Glittershine 12:46, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Your back
WAHOOOO!!!!! How are you Doc, it has been a life time since i last saw you. Zeldasmash (talk) 21:59, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
 * I'm pretty good. How about you? Doc King (talk) 22:21, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

IRC
Can we talk in the IRC. Zeldasmash (talk) 14:50, 25 October 2010 (EDT)

"ZS approves of this"
The above is not a valid reason to make a revert unless the community agrees that said user is one of the top authorities in the field. Toomai Glittershine 16:12, 27 October 2010 (EDT)

Weight tables
No, we cannot make the weight tables look like the tier list tables. I already tried months ago, and it didn't look good at all, especially since the Melee table has two different orders (which is guarenteed to make one of the columns' colours look jumbled). Toomai Glittershine 13:09, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Before you revert it, check my improvement of the middle weight tier, all of the characters are lined up. Doc King (talk) 13:12, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
 * He said Melee, not SSB :/-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 13:13, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
 * That's not what I meant. If we do the SSB64 list in that style, we would have to do the others for consistency. But in that consistency the SSBM table would look bad. Therefore, we should keep things in their current not-interesting-looking-but-completely-functional format. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 13:14, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Wait, we can make 2 weight lists for Melee, one that's labeled NTSC and one that's labeled PAL. Doc King (talk) 13:16, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
 * That is what you would have to do to be consistent. Rather irrelevant to the current argument.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 13:17, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
 * That isn't really necessary when the current system works perfectly fine, especially how you can use the sorting function to see how things changed. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 13:18, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

Also, whenever you use a tag, you have to finish it with a tag, or the rest of the page will get messed up. Toomai Glittershine 13:18, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Gotchya Gshine! Doc King (talk) 13:19, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

1RV
In the future, do not undo reverts. If you disagree with their reason of reverting, then please bring it up on the talk page. Thanks. Mr. Anon (talk) 13:32, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

^ Read this. You have the tendency to revert the undos of your edits far too often. Violate the policy again by starting another edit war, and you'll be blocked. We were willing to give you another chance on the Smash Wiki, don't screw it up. Omega  Tyrant   13:39, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

Uhh
Doc, aren't you supposed to finish the chart i asked you? Zeldasmash (talk) 14:44, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

Keep up
You use you in articles, you complain about userpages, and improperly capitalized things. Catch up to things that occured months ago.-- Mega  Tron1  XD   22:04, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
 * Are you actually trying to make him catch up about what happened before so he can get blocked again? Zeldasmash (talk) 15:11, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
 * Not only does what you just said make little if any sense, but it's a bad idea in general to talk about users being blocked. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 15:18, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
 * What you said made little to no sense. I can summarize what you tried to say though, "Are you trying to get him blocked again?" For one, how does telling him about his faults even make him a canidate for a minute block? The faults he makes makes other users loathe him. I need to fix his edits. Do I like spending a few minutes of my life fixing his edits? No. No one wants to fix another users edits because they feel like it. I have to remove you, remove improper capitalization, and keep him up with things. I tried to tell him months ago that userpages are not the property of the user, therefore, insults are not allowed. He attempts to bring up the reason he was blocked again as justification, when he has been told multiple times. Not to mention, he has complained about his block on Smash Wikia. I made the topic of DK's channel "You can come back Doc" and for several weeks, even though he is on there, he doesn't pay attention. I am trying to tell him to keep up to become a better user. Criticism is important to improvement. I even made a whole blog about it and it is the best I've ever made. And before you criticise someone, at least make some sense. Your post made little sense.--  Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 18:33, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

Hi
I highly reccomend that you archive your talk page. Doctor Pain 99 ( C  T  E ) 19:21, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

You quitting...
I noticed one of your reasons for quitting is because people revert your edits often. How much must I tell you that we don't revert your edits because you made them, but because they are often faulty or unnecessary? One piece of advice I can give anyone working on a Wiki, do not take it personally when an edit of yours gets reverted. Even top contributors get edits of theirs reverted from time to time, and I myself will revert a faulty edit whenever I come across one, regardless of who made it. Also, in case you didn't know, while a Wiki is a place anyone can edit, it's not a place to put whatever information you want, so don't expect your edits to never get reverted. Omega  Tyrant   01:15, 5 November 2010 (EDT)
 * Well it's mostly Mega who reverts my edits for no reason, like remember the skull bash talk, ppl were constantly ignoring me while I said that saying that it can hit backwards was not nessesary for the article and you were the only one who actually agreed with me and didn't put any dumbass johns to not listen to what I've said about that section. Also how's your heart? Doc King (talk) 14:51, 5 November 2010 (EDT)
 * That was one of a good 2 that were reverted for no reason. The others were reverted on the basis that it was like that before and if an established user changed it before you reverted their edits basically (Toomai and such), then it should be left as so. When your edit has been reverted before, I follow suit. However, you have to realize that I merely hate you and vice versa. The fact that I commonly revert things and am wrong does not show that I am a good reason to quit. I myself expect myself to be held in low opionion, as my edits are reverted due to edit wars or incorrect capitalization. You yourself should not quit simply because someone reverted your edits numerous times. OT has reverted many edits and no one has quit because he did so. I already don't care about who the fuck makes the edit. However, I am biased and should be expected to. I view lower ranked users with not so great reputations like you, Mesuxelf, and the like as inferior and deserve to have their edits reverted more often. The results? Mostly justified reverts, but a few are messed. Already, I don't want to bother with that kind of shit because of the problems that can arise from that. However, every user has a chance to fuck up and should have their edits reverted. Granted, I revert your edits the most and the other's sparringly or in the case of OT, let them revert their revert with an explaination. However, that does not mean that most of them are for no reason at all. Several had had problems. Look at my moves. They were incorrect and Miles reverted them. Am I quitting? No. Now lets look at you. You make a bad edit that makes the article worse, I revert it. Older people should have more wisdom than an older person and to me, it just seems that you're quitting because you're pissed at the community, ie me, because of several events on Wiki. So, what can you do? Contribute to the smash scene. We only have at most 3 users who can do so. Investigate the smash scene and you can contribute. The reasons that make sense for quitting is feeling that this is a job that gives you squat. Reverting edits often, getting warnings, getting in fights with me, and the like are not as good a reason to quit. Learn from those mistakes and come out a better person. As you can see on my talk page, I'm learning from my hateful n00b attitude that what I am currently doing accomplishes nothing and only creates problems. I learn from that and decided to stop being like that. Why can't you simply learn from mistakes and get better?-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 18:18, 5 November 2010 (EDT)
 * Doc, come on man. Just because they revert your edits and treat you like shit your quitting? Dude, i understand what you are feeling, they do the same shit to me most of the time. And do i care? No. You are a user. Everyone will have an edit reverted sometime. Its frustrating, i know, but reverting the edit makes you learn what you misspelled, edit incorrectly or its not worthy. Doc, your pretty much like me, but quitting does not solve anything. I'm still here, and they did it to me most of the time. Doc, if you learn from your mistakes, you will get better. Good day Doc. Zeldasmash (talk) 10:25, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

Revert
Why revert if you can use the history to get back the previous info? Seriously man.-- Mega  Tron1  XD   20:14, 6 November 2010 (EDT)
 * For some reason it doesn't work for me. Doc King (talk) 20:15, 6 November 2010 (EDT)
 * How can it not? You use the history, copy the previous info, blank your current userpage, and paste the info you copied.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 20:16, 6 November 2010 (EDT)
 * OK, ill do that next time (not that it really matters). Doc King (talk) 20:18, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

Your back
Welcome back. This may not be much but i did a spike tier list. http://www.ssbwiki.com/User:Zeldasmash/Spike_Tier_List Zeldasmash (talk) 20:29, 6 November 2010 (EDT)
 * ZS. Learn how to make internal links. spike tier list = spike tier list.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 20:31, 6 November 2010 (EDT)
 * Mah bad. Zeldasmash (talk) 20:33, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

And you have two IC.- Ivy 73  21:29, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

Do you
At least know how to change the appearing text? A url is unslightly for the eyes, so make it into the word this or something. Also, you don't have to do a "edit:" on here, you can just change your original post.-- Mega  Tron1  XD   16:30, 11 November 2010 (EST)
 * Can you stop nick picking every edit i make, it doesn't matter cause its a forum. Doc King (talk) 16:38, 11 November 2010 (EST)
 * It doesn't matter if its "just a forum". The sig policy still applies to it so why shouldn't this? This is just to help you and yet you refuse help? A simple suggestion to help you and yet already you hate me for it.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 16:40, 11 November 2010 (EST)
 * OK, sorry. Just please stop trying to argue about the way I edit for every little thing. Doc King (talk) 16:45, 11 November 2010 (EST)
 * I was not even arguing :/. It was just a suggestion. Geesh.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 16:51, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Weight List
Can you make me a Melee weight competency chart, Doc? Dont worry, i am not going to post it on the Weight page. Zeldasmash (talk) 17:25, 12 November 2010 (EST)
 * Also did t3h iCy answer the message? Zeldasmash (talk) 19:11, 12 November 2010 (EST)
 * Hey Doc. Remember that Percentage matchup chart i told you about? Can you get it for me? Since im permad in the other wiki i cant get it. Zeldasmash (talk) 20:06, 13 November 2010 (EST)
 * Umm, ZS. Can you figure some things out? Doc is permad on it too and you just can't edit. You can still see the source and copy paste it yourself.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 20:07, 13 November 2010 (EST)
 * I am trying to to but i cant find an edit location on the page. Zeldasmash (talk) 20:09, 13 November 2010 (EST)
 * Then just click the source and search the whole thing. Bothering Doc won't accomplish anything still so don't bother.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 20:10, 13 November 2010 (EST)
 * Not possible. OT blocked the whole page. Now NOBODY can edit it. Zeldasmash (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2010 (EST)
 * What you are saying is true. No one can edit it but admins. However, you can still see the source. I could see the main page's source so why can't you see this?-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 20:21, 13 November 2010 (EST)
 * Permad Hello. Can you get it for me Mega. I know im asking a lot. im sorry Zeldasmash (talk) 20:25, 13 November 2010 (EST)
 * Could you perhaps focus less on your userspace and biased matchups, and instead spend more of that effort on the mainspace and other areas of the Wiki? While Toomai said that the overly large amount of your subpages was not an issue, I can't imagine other Wiki users having no problems with it, and an extremely large portion of your edits are on your userspace, which surely must be concerning to other users besides me. Garo  108  20:32, 13 November 2010 (EST)
 * It is simply annoying to me. These biased opionions annoy me since I can't correct them. So no, I'll be busy for the next few hours so no, I can't do it for you.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 20:33, 13 November 2010 (EST)

I think that I saw something wrong
Well, I just want to be clear. I was reading that recovery chart that you worked on, and I am quite sure that there is no hammer involved with recovering in SSB. The hammer was added in SSBM, and could be used there, not on SSB. I just wanted to be sure that you knew that. Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 13:01, 3 December 2010 (EST)
 * Are you talking about the Hammer item? If so, you're wrong, it's been in all three games. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 13:18, 3 December 2010 (EST)
 * Actually, on the page, it said that Kirby could use his hammer in midair to defend from attacks. The hammer wasn't added as one of Kirby's special attacks until SSBM. Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 20:50, 3 December 2010 (EST)

Smash Arena Suggestions
"Edit this page as a whole" Follow the rule. Mega Tron1  XD   16:07, 21 December 2010 (EST)

Brawl Tier List
You definitely should make yourself one. It's been months. Zeldasmash (talk) 20:57, 21 December 2010 (EST)