Talk:Salem vs. Mew2King (Apex 2013)

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Going to elaborate my reason for deletion:

Matches shouldn't get their own pages unless it has a well established legacy such as memes and running jokes. That is why Leffen v Chillin has its own page, since it's a set that has became an iconic meme in the community, so much so that even today the set is still brought up in a joking manner.

On the other hand, Mew2King vs Salem's legacy is really just establishing Salem as a top player and ZSS as a top tier threat, both of which would've happened even if Salem did not win. It's not meme or even change the direction of competitive Brawl; it's simply just a set well remembered by Brawl veterans and nothing else. That's not really notable for a page, or else we'd be making page for many sets that people remember fondly (for example, Armada v Mango at GENESIS 2; Nairo vs ZeRo at MLG; MkLeo v Tweek at EVO 2019), which will inevitably lead down a very slippery slope (eg, how do we define "iconic" or "notable"? What about a set like Miya vs Abadango at Kagaribi 8, which not only launched a relatively unknown player into the top level almost overnight, but is also the first tine a G&W player has ever won a major as well as the first tine Maister's title for best G&W was challenged, yet isn't regarded as "iconic"?).

To sum it up, I don't think tournament sets should have their own pages unless they transcend what the tournament set means. In other words, unless there's a set that is more than just a "iconic match between two players", then I don't think the set should have their own separate page. Cookies Creme  17:26, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

(Edit Conflict) Any relevant information about this match is easily contained in the Apex 2013 page, and while this match is iconic, it didn't have any real impact on Brawl's competitive trajectory (Brawl still went on a harsh decline after Apex 2013) or the community's culture. Additionally, a slightly more favorable view of Zamus' competitive viability (and I do mean slightly, she only rose one spot on the tier list after Apex 2013) and Salem being recognized as a top player would have happened even if he lost this match, after the rest of he did at Apex that year, so you can't attribute Salem's entire performance at Apex 2013 as being the "legacy" of this match. On the list of the most important/iconic competitive Smash matches, this is pretty far down the list, and I'm not convinced any individual match aside from the Leffen vs. Chillin Salty Suite deserves an entire article about it (and that match having an article has much less to do with the actual match itself, rather than the whole spectacle around it and the impact it had on the community's culture). Omega  Tyrant   17:30, October 31, 2023 (EDT)