Talk:List of rumors/Archive 1

It says the most famous cheat is Sonic and Tails in Brawl. But it also says the most famous cheat is Sonic and Tails in Melee. The Brawl one is incorrect and should be changed. Smash Bros is Best 21:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I like this page! Zmario 15:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Why is this here?We dont need it.Krakash 15:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I just thought it would be a cool page. I believes it informs people about fake cheats. Zmario 17:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I honestly don't see the need for it being here. It shows very little notability. (Wolf O'Donnell (talk · contributions) 17:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC))

This page is-a useless
Strong Delete: I'm with Semicolon on this one. The rumors are simply opinions and aren't even important anymoar! Also, the Sonic and Tails rumors were april fools jokes as well as Toad. To use the master hand in SSB, one would need an action replay! That's what I need to say on teh subject. Anyone agree?  Blue Ninjakoopa Talk to me 22:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Neutral. Well, not many of these subjects are known to people. Besides, the Sonic and Tails rumor is already in the Sonic the Hedgehog universe article.  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 22:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Neutral Leaning Torwards Keep. I've known the Sonic & Tails rumor for a while now. I'd say it's worth having an article (along with a few more), but I'm against Master Hand in SSB. Although I've heard of the Toad Rumor somewhere before. - Doggy Guy (talk) 23:12, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Keep It's a history of stuff that's happened. We should preserve history and stuff. annoying1359 (talk) 02:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep: QFE. Silverdragon706/FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 00:10, 20 October 2008 (UT

Keep: This page is really good. I know a few of these rumors. Solar flute (talk)

Keep: This page is hardly useless. What would be useless is individual articles on each rumor, but put together they make a valid page. Also, why does the page have the archive tag on it?  Baltro [  talk  ] 04:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Personally I think that this page is quite interesting, and I don't think it should be deleted. But thats just my opinion. -- Mystery Heff  TALK  11:27, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Keep: This page is very useful. Would you like to see someone put up a page, say, about Toad, how he is a "Secret Character", and how to unlock him? Then some sensible person would come along, delete the page or change it to say he was a rumor in Melee, and he is NOT in the game. An edit war would soon ensue. This page cuts down the spam and edit wars.--68.117.179.164 00:29, 24 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Don't reply to discussions over four years old. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 00:30, 24 June 2013 (EDT)

Verifications and notability
Most of this page needs to be re-verified. I haven't heard of a few of these at all.  Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 01:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Cameos?
The faces in the clouds might be the faces of all the characters in Melee but not in Brawl. Some people think Mewtwo's face is in the clouds so it could be a possibility.Tuth (talk) 21:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

yet more rumors
I found this on another wiki. It might be useful for some more obscure rumors. HYLIAN FURY (talk) 21:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know its photoshopped. HYLIAN FURY (talk) 22:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)



Cameos Yes!
I watched the scene over and over and finally found Mewtwo's face. I'm gonna post a pic here that I'm gonna take and you guys tell me what you think!!!--Dark Brawler   I am Victorious!  10:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Here! I got it. --Dark Brawler   I am Victorious!  10:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I found Ganondorf. You can make out his nose, right eye, hair and beard. It looks like Ganondorf's head as seen from his right.  Penguin  of  Death   11:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * lol that's creative. It does look like Ganondorf. What do you think about Mewtwo though? --Dark Brawler   I am Victorious!  11:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Uh, Hello! I was talking! HYLIAN FURY (talk) 18:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * When exactly were you talking, Hylian Fury? And what were you talking about? How very confusing...
 * @Dark Brawler: I dunno about the Mewtwo picture. The cloud shaped like his head is too vague for me to really be sure that it was intended by the programmers, and I can't make out the cloud shaped like his whole body. I think a bigger picture would help.  Penguin  of  Death   21:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Geno
I know I'll regret saying this but why not add a section on Geno detailing how people think he wasn't added because of Square, those hacks on YouTube that make him a toggle on the Random button, and how the rumor might also tie to the cutting of Beware the Forest Mushrooms. --RoyboyX (talk) 21:46, 28 August 2011 (EDT)


 * The rumors on Geno possibly appearing in Brawl have already been mentioned here. Toa 95 (talk)


 * I know, but there's more depth to them than there is Mega Man. People think that Nintendo might have asked Square to let them use Geno, but they weren't allowed and so they might have scrapped Beware the Forest Mushrooms because of that. --RoyboyX (talk) 22:00, 28 August 2011 (EDT)
 * If you want to edit something, go for it. Someone will undo it or change it if they think it is wrong.  Ƌoӄԏo яΠ ɛ ə и 9 9  {ROLLBACKER} 22:01, 28 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Problem, you're suggesting us to add speculation, which this Wiki does not allow. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 10:06, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

I have another idea for the article: what if we add some small template that is just a sentence in red or green saying that "this rumor was proven false/true." and maybe blue on "this rumor is unverified." --RoyboyX (talk) 11:05, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

Article name
I propose moving this back to List of rumors because much of the content focuses on rumors which turn out to be false. Sonic being playable in Melee is a rumor, not a fact because he is not playable in Melee. Unlocking Master Hand and Metal Mario without hacking in SSB is also untrue. For similar reasons, this article should also not be named List of little known secrets. Mousehunter321 (talk  · contributions ) 20:22, 2 April 2012 (EDT)
 * For reference, this article was originally called "List of Rumors", but was moved to its current location "List of miscellaneous facts" as a small April Fool's joke. It's being moved back right now. Its been moved. Move along now. --- ReiDemon, Author Extraordinaire, 20:51, 2 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Is this a tradition here? Or is this the first time we've pulled this prank? Mousehunter321 (talk  · contributions ) 20:57, 2 April 2012 (EDT)
 * It has been done in the past. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:02, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

Lol APRIL FOOLS!

I had to say that. Mr.  <font color="midnightblue">Anon  talk  21:31, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

US/UK spelling rule
How does it go? I made an edit earlier changing 'rumour' to 'rumor', but then I came to realize that such an shuns the editor who placed the information there to begin with and reverted myself. There are Wikipedia articles that have US and UK spelling variants co-exist (that is relevant since we, like most wikis, follow Wikipedia as an example in some ways), so should it be a general rule for them to be allowed on the same article? Or should only one variant of the word be used throughout the entire article? Discuss. <font face="Eurostile" size="3"> Blue Ninjakoopa (Talk) 14:25, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
 * Since the title here uses the US spelling, it's only consistency for the section titles to be US spelling as well. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:32, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

2 out of 3
Just want to point out, perhaps the Tweet count being stuck at 8,807 is the result of lagging in the Twitter database. Not saying this proves the rumor true or anything. -- Roy boy  X   Talk  16:29, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
 * True, but fetching a single number based on a single property (in this case, the user in question) is one of the cheaper database operations and is unlikely to be laggy. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Bold 17:51, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
 * Well, if it was, which is VERY unlikely, true and that it was lag, 2 out of 3 probably meant 2 of the 3 he wants in it ARE NOT going to be in the game, since Mega Man WAS confirmed to be in it.MegaMCAlly (talk) 13:21, 19 July 2013 (EDT)
 * The roster is far from being fully revealed, that is purely speculative.


 * Also don't use ALL CAPS, the bold is enough. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:25, 19 July 2013 (EDT)

Namco Employee rumor.
This was a single "Prophet" on Gamefaqs, not a rumor. One topic does not make a rumor and it's especially not a rumor when nobody believed the person in the first place. --71.55.139.1 02:38, 19 March 2013 (EDT)
 * Go ahead and get rid of it if you want, it was added by one guy who added it as his first edit. Air Conditioner AC.png 25 or 6 to 4! 14:55, 19 March 2013 (EDT)
 * I've tried but someone keeps re-adding it so I had to take it to the talk section. --71.55.139.1 00:33, 20 March 2013 (EDT)
 * I think it belongs on here. It's no different from any other rumor on this page. But, before I re-add it, I want to see what some others have to say. Chuck  Norris  24.png  17:16, 17 May 2013 (EDT)
 * No one's responded and since there is no real reason to remove it, I am re-adding it. Chuck  Norris  24.png  15:54, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
 * One guy claiming to work for Namco doesn't do a rumour, it's far from the very definition. Also, the fact that one thing he 'leaked' so far turned out to be correct is irrelevant; I can do the same thing. I'm a psychic and I can prove it: I sense that you've been going to school, know someone who has a pet, and it even appears you have a history of playing video games. Am I spooky, or what? - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 16:23, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
 * The majority of the rumors on this page are just people claiming they know information about an SSB game. I don't see how this is any different from the others. Chuck  Norris  24.png  17:16, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
 * A rumour constitutes a somewhat widespread, unconfirmed claim. Thus, one person appearing out of nowhere making these claims does not make a rumour, no matter to what degree he pretends to be a Namco employee. - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 17:41, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

Chuck, for this to be covered here, the rumor has to be widespread, and not be restricted to a single thread on a single site. Stop readding it to the article, unless you can show us that this was prevalent elsewhere. Omega  Tyrant   03:09, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I did a quick Google search. It's been covered on Mind of the Geek.com, It's been mentioned on ign message boards, Latinos post.com, Smash Boards, and many others. I'd say it's widespread enough to be on here. Chuck  Norris  24.png  08:38, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Links? Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:59, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

          Chuck Norris    15:00, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Alright, the rumor is legit and will be readded. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:10, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

With the reveal of the Mario Glaxy stage and the Starship Mario being a background element I think we can call this rumour busted. 109.148.204.135 17:39, 30 November 2013 (EST)

So this Lucina rumor
Was it actually spread outside uber's AiB blog? Omega  Tyrant   16:01, 26 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I haven't seen much that says so, so yeah it may not be notable enough to include. I do however feel that it provides a good benchmark as to how elaborate future rumours may be, and perhaps the level of elaboration itself may be notable enough if we don't see too many other such rumours. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Pan-Galactic 17:19, 26 June 2013 (EDT)

i hate to say again but...
i hope they add mii. BUT THIS TIME NOT A RUMOR...because it was rumor last time..%1 chance of rumors being true --If you annoy igor the mii. you are killed by PK Starstorm! (talk) 13:58, 31 August 2013 (EDT)

Ness and Jigglypuff
     

Here's a few I could find. Earthbound Central is probably the most well known news site to cover it. Chuck Norris   17:03, 5 December 2013 (EST)


 * It did become quite a thing, but it was proved fake rather quickly and easily, so it stuck around for a short time. That's why I'm not sure about it being notable enough to go on this page, though I could be wrong. S c r 7 Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 18:28, 5 December 2013 (EST)

Clone line
It fully does make sense, you are reading it wrong. The line stated Brawl had significantly less cloning than Melee, as the rumor insinuated it would, not that Brawl had "less cloning than the rumor". Omega  Tyrant   18:26, 5 December 2013 (EST)
 * Okay I'll reword it then. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Free 20:43, 5 December 2013 (EST)

Reggie Rumor
I seriously think we should mention the Reggie thingy on this page. Un-User 72.106.155.237 14:29, 27 January 2014 (EST)
 * It's not a rumour, it's just a bunch of fans raising a ruckus. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Researcher 15:12, 27 January 2014 (EST)

And Miyamoto said...
Putting this here because i can't believe it (unless well proven) People really want this game to come out in late December. 93.105.60.106 11:38, 1 February 2014 (EST)
 * By year's end only implies that SSB4 won't be delayed like SSBB was and will certainly be released by at least the end of the year. Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 12:33, 1 February 2014 (EST)

2 out of 3 thought
This article states that the 2 out of 3 rumor was "proven false". But what if Isaac from Golden Sun actually appears as playable and Geno not? Or even Vice Versa? Then the rumor would be true! So technically, the rumor isn't proven or disproven true. (Un-User)75.141.44.196 15:24, 3 February 2014 (EST)
 * Even if what the rumour claims turns out to be true, the rumour itself is false because what it claims to have occurred (Sakurai making a tweet and retracting it) was proven to have never happened. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Le Grand Fromage 15:47, 3 February 2014 (EST)
 * Oh, okay! :) (Un-User)72.105.73.192 15:24, 4 February 2014 (EST)
 * I found a link to the original status, interesting enough it never appeared on either users twitter pages. https://twitter.com/rex_turbocool/status/205934443637129216 Fierceflame (talk) 14:54, 6 July 2014 (EDT)
 * This discussion is 5 months old. It really doesn't need any input or resolution when it's that old. Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 15:01, 6 July 2014 (EDT)

Quick Question about Falco
Where did that image come from? Sure looks real to me. If he comes in and has that artwork, than it's true, right? (Un-User)72.105.73.192 15:24, 4 February 2014 (EST)
 * He isn't there, which means it's lie. It was also a popular lie, therefor it's a rumor. Even if he comes in with that artwork, by some strange coincidence, he wasn't there, on the Japanese site, so it's a lie - a popular lie. Which means it's a rumor. --72.53.134.85 21:44, 5 February 2014 (EST)

Halibuton
Umm, hasn't the dumb "Halibuton" rumor been proven false? I mean, the 6TH anniversary of Brawl has come and gone, with no Nintendo direct anywhere! 72.106.157.47 16:01, 6 February 2014 (EST)
 * In the future, refrain from complaining about outdated elements on the articles and instead edit the relevant information yourself, or tack an template on them.


 * --- <font face="American Typewriter">Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 20:10, 8 February 2014 (EST)

Pac-Man
Where did that Pac-Man picture come from? We need to mention where in this page. (Un-User)72.106.144.135 13:40, 8 February 2014 (EST)

Re Monsieur Crow
First off, welcome back. Second, I suggest we have Lucina, Falco, Pac-Man and Palutena share a section, so like Leaked(?) Characters. Roy boy  X   Talk  18:29, 8 February 2014 (EST)


 * I see you, RoyboyX.


 * My main concern with the article isn't that the article is becoming disorganised (on the contrary, I'd argue that a game-by-game model is probably the neatest we can accomplish), but rather, that the article is going to become too SSB4-heavy; the section already contains nine different rumours while the game is still in development, whereas in the eight years since Brawl's announcement, we also have nine. In the coming months, there's obviously going to be even more rumours, making things only more chaotic in the section.


 * I'm thinking that we might have to find a way to distinguish between "notable" and "non-notable" rumours, but I can't think of a way to do so that would prevent this article from either shrinking or doing nothing. I considered splitting this article much like our old Beta elements article, but the 64 and Melee sections would have too little to stand on their own in that regard.


 * That's all.


 * --- <font face="American Typewriter">Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 20:10, 8 February 2014 (EST)

NeoGAF Leak
On January 15th, 2014, a leak was posted consisting information such as Chrom, Ridley, and Pac Man's inclusion and other info. Should we have that? Here is the link incase anybody wants to see it.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=97190399&postcount=7815
 * Seconding this, can someone investigate? DJLO (talk) 10:48, 14 February 2014 (EST)

Ganondorf's voice
On Takashi Nagasako's Super Mario Wiki page, it states he voices both DK and Ganondorf in SSB4. Should we add that here? 72.105.2.224 15:30, 25 February 2014 (EST)
 * No, any user there could have just stated that and had no one revert them. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:48, 25 February 2014 (EST)
 * He/she may have a point though. How do we know that Takashi himself didn't state this? We might as well mention it here. (Un-User)72.105.79.5 16:38, 26 February 2014 (EST)
 * "How do we know that Takashi himself didn't state this?"


 * This is just dumb. If the guy said anything anywhere about it, then it can be sourced. You have no such source, thus as far as everyone sees, he never stated such. And a random statement on a Wiki added by a random user (that should have been reverted already) does not at all constitute a "notable rumor". This page is not for every little thing that pops up everywhere, it's only for rumors that are particularly widespread or have some other notable trait to them. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:30, 26 February 2014 (EST)
 * What about that Lucina rumor that was on AllIsBrawl and ONLY AllIsBrawl? 72.106.152.37 13:20, 28 February 2014 (EST)
 * It's notable for being the first known SSB4 rumour to showcase how elaborate Brawl hacks can be used to create rumours. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Zesty 13:23, 28 February 2014 (EST)
 * Lucina wasn't a Brawl hack! 72.106.152.37 13:39, 28 February 2014 (EST)
 * Firstly, yes it is a hack, take note of the links given on the page. Secondly, don't edit other people's comments. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Spectrum 13:42, 28 February 2014 (EST)
 * I didn't edit your comment! How dare you accuse me of this! 72.106.152.37 13:43, 28 February 2014 (EST)

Voice Actors
Not confirming anything 100% but according to IMDb, a list of voice actors have been unveiled. Such as Jim Walker as Fox, Antony Del Rio (Kid Icarus: Uprising) as Pit, Jessica Martin as Samus Aran, etc. Should we confirm this or something among those lines?

PS: In Sonic's SSB4 trailer, I hear Roger Craig Smith's voice.
 * "IMDB, however, allows anyone to contribute content"


 * And see what I said above regarding stuff listed on Wikis.


 * Also remember to sign your comments with four tildes ~ . Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:43, 27 February 2014 (EST)


 * How could you forget the rumor of that Revelation Evil voice? It was listed on IGN! What is a tilde?
 * IGN and IMDB are NOT reliable sources. We should get confirmation from much more websites. And, a tilde is ~, right next to "1" on the keyboard. GreenMarioBrawlHead.png Green   Mario  16:27, 28 February 2014 (EST)
 * Oh, thank you! I agree about that though. I believe the voices will appear however. 72.105.78.197 14:22, 2 March 2014 (EST)

Regarding a rumor proven true kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
This is directed to Monsieur Crow, and only Monsieur Crow. You know that Lucas and Ness thing? Well, that was actually not very wide-spread, and then proven true. I think that this "rumor" isn't worth enough to mention here. I think it would make more sense to, instead, mention this on Ness' Melee page and Lucas' character page. 75.141.44.196 16:07, 14 March 2014 (EDT)


 * If memory serves, this guy worked on the bulk of that section, with me only making a few grammatical edits (if any at all). That said, I believe the rumour began its spread with the reveal of Lucas in Brawl, and it has seen some revival due to speculation over SSB4's unrevealed roster, thus making this a notable rumour. Also, the fact that the rumour was eventually proven true doesn't change the fact that it started as a rumour.


 * Outside of this, Lucas's page on the Wiki already mentions the rumour, but Ness's doesn't. I see no problems with including this bit on the aforementioned page, though. Be bold.


 * --- <font face="American Typewriter">Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 18:09, 19 March 2014 (EDT)

Black Mage
There's a rumor going around that a Black Mage screenshot has been leaked. It is a fake to me. Here's where the rumor began. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiIC6FDy2fU. Also, I've found some "leaked" screenshots about Shulk from Xenoblade Chronicles and Mewtwo. --Mr.Santana Lopez (talk) 09:50, 18 March 2014 (EDT)


 * While it is interesting to see the variety of faked character reveal images, none of your aforementioned rumours have significant enough spread to warrant mentioning on this article. In general, we want to see some significant spread for rumours (i.e. appearances in notable newssites, significant discussion on forums like SmashBoards, etc.) before they're placed on the page; alternatively, they could have some form of "uniqueness" that helps them be diffrentiated from other rumours (such as the Lucina hoax, which showed that Brawl hacks can be used to manufacture rumours).


 * That's all.


 * --- <font face="American Typewriter">Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 18:09, 19 March 2014 (EDT)

"E-Reader Leak"
Apparently someone "leaked" a bonus disc along with E-Reader cards that were supposed to unlock new characters. These cards were "meant to appear" at some sort of con Nintendo was going to. The character that was "unlocked" was Leon Kennedy. However, some SmashBoards users appear to have debunked it, but this isn't completely understood. Should this be in the main article or should we wait a little longer and see what happens? Link: http://smashboards.com/threads/super-smash-bros-4-wii-u-3ds-topic-2-0.347937/page-248 24.99.96.92 08:16, 26 March 2014 (EDT)


 * While this is an interesting rumor, it doesn't seem to have any notable spread associated with it, especially since the discussion about it seems to peter out at the end of the page it's posted on.


 * If it starts making it rounds on other sites like AiB or is even covered by gaming websites, however, those could be grounds to include it on the article.


 * --- <font face="American Typewriter">Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 12:36, 26 March 2014 (EDT)

Super Smash Bros. 6 Rumor
Before the SSB4 Direct aired, a rumor surrounded Namco Bandai that they were hiring developers for Super Smash Bros. 6 (that is set for a release in 2015). What do you guys think? --Mr.Santana Lopez (talk) 19:12, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Sounds like nonsense to me. This is the fourth iteration of Smash Bros., not the fifth. Why bother calling it Super Smash Bros. 6? --EpicWendigo (talk) 19:18, 9 April 2014 (EDT)


 * Sakurai has called these games the "fourth and fifth" iterations of Smash Bros on multiple occassion. Still, I doubt theyd start on the next one so soon. ♡ FirstaLasto ♥  20:40, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

That makes no sense. --EpicWendigo (talk) 20:44, 9 April 2014 (EDT)
 * Too soon to release a new Smash Bros. game and they're traditionally made when a new Nintendo home console is released. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 20:46, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

You make a good point, ZeldaStarfoxfan. To me, this has to be the most poorly-timed rumors ever. --EpicWendigo (talk) 21:01, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Raiden


Notable enough to add? Omega  Tyrant   22:28, 9 April 2014 (EDT)
 * I love how the first comment is "Are you sure this wasn't voice acting for All Stars?". But in all seriousness though, I'd say it is worth an add anyway; coming from the guy himself seems pretty valid, even given the fact that Raiden hasn't been seen on a Nintendo system.  --HavocReaper  48  22:36, 9 April 2014 (EDT)
 * The mynintendonews article links to a NeoGAF thread where, in a later edit, it was confirmed that he was confusing Smash Bros. with All Stars. Miles ( talk)   22:41, 9 April 2014 (EDT)
 * That's not true though, another person named Quinton Flynn voiced Raiden in PS All-Stars, not Reuben Langdon. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:53, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

SSB4: Kraid's Lair
This is a thing I saw on a website. http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/20014232/ It calls the games Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, and shows us Kraid's Lair as a theme. Notable enough? Bug Man Stan (talk) 13:17, 15 April 2014 (EDT)
 * It ain't notable. Fan remixes for stage music is absurdly common, so it becomes absurdly difficult to tell if it's a legit leak or not. In addition, leaking a musical piece for SSB4 is nowhere near notable enough to warrant a page on the Wiki because we really aren't going to learn much from Nintendo's musical choice. Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 13:27, 15 April 2014 (EDT)
 * Okay Bug Man Stan (talk) 13:39, 15 April 2014 (EDT)

Leaked Roster Photo
There is a leaked roster photo and while I don't believe it, it does fit the criteria of gaining a lot of attention. Here is one of MANY links http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/21473/article/rumor-super-smash-bros-4-roster-revealed/. --Mr.Santana Lopez (talk) 16:56, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

There was a post (where I can't find the link) about that Chrom from Fire Emblem: Awakening, Palutena from Kid Icarus, Shulk from Xenoblade Chronicles, Choir Boys from Rhythm Beat, and Pac Man are going to be in the game. This is from the same source (who I've surprised wasn't mentioned on this page already) that leaked that the E3 reveals would be Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, Animal Crossing Villager, Pac Man, Little Mac, and Mii (this should be called the 4 of 6 rumor if it will decide to be added). This leak has been getting a lot of attention. --Mr.Santana Lopez (talk) 16:56, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
 * That character select screen has already been seen and instantly debunked when posted, and we already have a section covering the ubiquitous phony character select screens. It's nothing special


 * And we have the E3 leak on the page, as well as the followup "leak". Did you not read the whole page? Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:59, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
 * We do? The last time Ii recalled, it was the whole scenario with that "Brawl Anniversary" stuff. Nothing on that spot on E3 prediction Mr.Santana Lopez (talk) 17:01, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
 * List of rumors


 * You should look over the whole page before suggesting any new stuff to add. Also indent your comments when directly replying to someone. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:04, 22 April 2014 (EDT)


 * Well, that screenshot is very convincing. The unconfirmed characters have new artwork that has never been seen before. Snake who was the one I find the most unlikely to return isn't there. The all the confirmed characters, including the most recent ones use the Smash 4 artwork. However, Chrom is the only unconfirmed newcomer on this roster. While Sakurai stated there will be three third-party characters, only two are there: and . Snake, Lucas, Ike, Wolf, Pokémon Trainer, Squirtle, Ivysaur and R.O.B. were cut. Previously rumored newcomers like Pac-Man and Palutena isn't on here, and the Newcomer I want the most, Tails, didn't make it either. However, there is still a chance that it could be fake. Sakurai didn't confirm everyone yet. And he stated he had problems with the Ice Climbers on the 3DS. SeanWheeler (talk) 10:23, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
 * Instant fake, Wario's image is his dash turn from Brawl, and I know I've seen that Ganondorf from somewhere. I don't think this is any more notable than any other fake character screen. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Cloronic 10:27, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
 * Additionally, the Ness image is that already-provened-faked "leaked art" reversed, not to mention the art of the yet-to-be-revealed characters is distinctly worse than the actual character art (and of course, there's no way Smash 4 would have the same amount of characters Brawl had and Chrom would be the only newcomer we haven't seen yet). Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 10:34, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
 * Well, I still have my fingers crossed for Tails. Though I have a good idea of how Pac-Man's series symbol would look. Maybe despite stating only three third-party characters, he might add Tails as a bonus for Sonic and still have Pac-Man? Argh, this isn't the place to speculate! But I guess you're right. Why would Chrom be the only newcomer? Why cut Wolf? They couldn't have Krystal? What about Palutena? She was in a very convincing leak and Sakurai posted a couple of Kid Icarus screenshots after the leak, yet she is not in the roster. There are some characters I'd want and they're not in the roster. SeanWheeler (talk) 10:55, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
 * Take a look at TALK, Wheeler. Anyway, the biggest red flag for this fake is the use of Ganondorf's official Twilight Princess artwork instead of even trying to use "new" art. Miles ( talk)   11:27, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
 * Just to clarify, Chrom's artwork in the leak is concept art from Awakening, and Ganondorf's is just his render from Twilight Princess (i.e., the one where he's standing upright, hands on the hilt of his sword, tip touching the ground). That said, Ness' artwork isn't the fake one (at least, if we're talking about the same artwork; his arms are in different positions that aren't the result of simply reversing the image), but Chrom's and Ganon's alone are enough to discredit the image. That, and this would be the first Smash game ever not to have the character select portraits zoomed in on the characters' faces.  MarioGalaxy Talk 11:31, 23 April 2014 (EDT)

Nester prank
What do others here think of it regarding its notability as a "rumor"? Omega  Tyrant   20:40, 5 May 2014 (EDT)


 * Farcical response: It's notable because absolutely no one fell for it. You have to try for that to happen.


 * Real response: I see no reason why it would be considered notable. It offers nothing new over the previous rumors; arguably the only notable part is that it featured a URL similar to the official site's, and even then, that is already technically covered under the Wii Want More rumor.


 * --- <font face="Pristina"> Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  21:02, 5 May 2014 (EDT)


 * Yes, while pretty much no one fell for this, I do think that it is notable enough to put here. Here are my reasons:


 * 1. It was covered by tons of websites. There were dozens of famous gaming sites that had an article on this.


 * 2. It was the first SSB4 rumor to have a website that looked like the real thing. Chuck  Norris  24.png 23:20, 5 May 2014 (EDT)


 * I absolutely agree with Chuck. If it's so widespread, then it makes so much sense to mention it here! I will spray bugs lol (talk) 14:16, 6 May 2014 (EDT)


 * It may be true that the joke did appear on multiple sites, but effectively none of them made speculation about whether or not it was real. Examples: "Nester Prank Fools Smash Fans a Day Before April Fools"; "Nester Joins Super Smash Bros. Roster (April Fools' Day); "Nester shows up on Smash Bros. website as April Fool's joke, screen shots included". For comparison, the "Namco Employee" rumor had serious discussion over whether or not it was legitimate. Examples: "Super Smash Bros. 4: Rumors and Speculation"; "“Namco Worker” Shares Smash 4 Rumors: Ghirahim and Ridley Playable, Nintendo Direct on January 31"; "Wii U Super Smash Bros. 4 Rumors, Spoilers: Game To Be Previewed Jan. 31? New Characters Include King K. Rool, Ridley, Little Mac, Takamaru?". In this case, coverage means nothing; if everyone knows of it as a joke, is it really a rumor, let alone a notable one?


 * The point about the page looking similar to the official site is also something that has already been done before. The Falco rumor featured faked images of the official site, and earlier still in Brawl, the downloadable content rumor featured a faked newspost that appeared to be from an official Nintendo site.


 * --- <font face="Pristina"> Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  14:58, 6 May 2014 (EDT)


 * The Falco rumor may have had screenshots that looked like the website, but the Nester rumor had a fully functional website designed to look like the official one. And while practically every news site that featured it knew it was fake, it still was extremely widespread. Chuck  Norris  24.png 15:56, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

Alleged outlines in certain trailers
So people decided to try and point out certain characters in other characters' reveal trailers;Bowser, Jr in Mega Man's reveal trailer,and Pac-Man/Klonoa in Greninja's trailer. What was this all about? Dreamcastboy99filmz (talk) 21:02, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I've never heard of this, and it sounds like people looking for patterns that aren't there, like when people tried to say the clouds in a SSE trailer resembled Bower, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo, and use it as evidence for their inclusion. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 05:16, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

Roster Rumors?
I'm not adding this, because I'm not sure what the criteria is for adding rumors, and how we define them as "notable", but I would consider perhaps adding this to the list: http://www.gamnesia.com/news/rumor-smash-bros.-character-select-screen-leaked-54-playable-characters#ad-image-0 --(The preceding signed comment was made by Ghabulous Ghoti)  22:32, 24 May 2014 (EDT)
 * The main criterion for rumour notability is how much it spreads around the internet, so unless/until it starts getting more coverage it should be left out. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 22:37, 24 May 2014 (EDT)
 * "Leaked" character select screens are so ubiquitous, that an individual one is not really notable itself (and we already cover them in general in the initial paragraphs). I'll give credit that this one is more legitimate looking, though the lack of Ike makes it look like just another phony. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:41, 24 May 2014 (EDT)
 * The coverage I'd seen of this implied it was the character select for the E3 demo next month, but that doesn't redeem it into notability. As OT said, we cover these more generally unless there's a ton more press for a specific one. Miles ( talk)   23:20, 24 May 2014 (EDT)

Mr Game and Watch
Can we include a rumor about Mr Game and Watch? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:56, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
 * I don't think it would qualify as a rumour. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Xanthic 23:57, 10 June 2014 (EDT)

Klonoa "Leak"
Is this worth any merit of mentioning? http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/69400428 I'm too tired to go see if it's already debunked, or a fake or something, so sorry if I'm posting old news. Laikue (talk) 01:14, 6 July 2014 (EDT)


 * Proven false by OP. No significant spread outside of GameFAQs either.


 * --- <font face="Pristina"> Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  11:50, 6 July 2014 (EDT)
 * Alright, like I said I was tired, and didn't bother checking last night. Still pretty good for a fake, though. Laikue (talk) 14:04, 6 July 2014 (EDT)

Nester Leak
As some of you may recall, the SmashWiki got hacked on April 1st just this year. Along with that, there was a link to a fake character reveal, the reveal being of Nester, the old Nintendo Power mascot (if you give me some time, I can find it). I had put up a little section on this page about the leak, but it got taken down. I don't get why a plain old theory is allowed (see the Trophy Quizzes section in the actual article), but not an actual leak. I am not meaning to sound like a dick here, but I'm just trying to figure out something, and hopefully let others know about the AFD Nester leak. The question is, is this a good idea? If it is not (and you give me a good enough reason why), then hopefully, I will understand. Again, not trying to sound/act like a dick here. Aidanzapunk (talk) 13:39, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
 * Compare the post-April-Fools notoriety of that particular joke with the Sonic and Tails one - it's much weaker, mostly because it was an obvious fake. I doubt it'll become notable enough in future to be included on this page. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Resolute 13:45, 9 July 2014 (EDT)

Nester?
Should the Nester april fools joke be used? I don't remember much about it, but... http://www.smashbros.us/us/characters/nester.html Nutta Butta (talk) 17:53, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
 * See the section above. It was recognized as a joke instantly by a lot of people, and lacked an impact. Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 18:13, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
 * That argument is pretty ridiculous. It's not just SmashWiki, as I saw it on multiple websites the day before April Fools. I'll see if I can find the posts about it. Nutta Butta (talk) 18:17, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
 * While it was very quickly recognized as a gag, it was indeed very widespread (even if just as being ridiculous). I believe it deserves a mention somewhere. Nutta Butta (talk) 18:22, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
 * Obvious April Fools' pranks do not really qualify as "rumour"s. The Sonic/Tails rumour in Melee is the exception, not because it wasn't obvious, but because it lasted in the public consciousness beyond its initial apperance. I seem to recall people talking about the Sonic/Tails rumour for months and even years after the fact, while I don't see the Nester thing anywhere nowadays. It was a flash in the pan. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Different 22:38, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

Gematsu Disproven
Should I change it to have "ended" or something to that effect? Because whether or not the first leak was true, the second (Chrom), third (roster finalization), and fourth (Shulk revealed today) were all confirmed as false. Putting it as "ended" also includes that the first leak has been completely confirmed as false. Until he sends another email, all of the leaks have been resolved- #1 is right, #2-4 are wrong. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 16:31, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
 * I specifically went for the neutral phrasing that at least the later emails are inaccurate/false due to Chrom's deconfirmation. It's unclear if any were accurate at this time, so I've left it open-ended. I personally believe it was a set of lucky guesses which finally missed, but it's subjective for now. Miles ( talk)   16:35, 14 July 2014 (EDT)


 * I added a new version that does not say whether or not it's been disproven or not (although I think it has been). ...a new Nutta[[File:Nutta's Mallo sig.png]]is approaching... 16:37, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Should Sal Romano's response be included as well? Magiciandude (talk) 17:00, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Wario Leak
I believe this is notable enough to be listed here, considering it's been wide-spread, and Nintendo themselves were the leakers. Laikue (talk) 15:37, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
 * This information is mentioned on the Wario page. Miles ( talk)   15:41, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
 * Speaking of that leak, remember when Falco was leaked back in February? Should info on the leak be on Falco's character page? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:50, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
 * That was disproven rather quickly, and unlike the eShop thing doesn't come directly from Nintendo. Miles ( talk)   23:38, 28 July 2014 (EDT)

Move to "List of rumors and leaks"
I dunno about you guys, but if we cover many rumors, as well as plenty of supposed leaks, we should probably change the title of this page to "List of rumors and leaks." Stan the Man (talk) 13:50, 6 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Leaks can stay on the leaks page for now, because comparatively there's not many of them. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Interspacial 14:43, 6 August 2014 (EDT)

Tetra Speculative
The trophy quiz hint thingy says Ghirahim is the most often speculated, but I've seen hundreds of Tetra speculations, that it will (or may) be Tetra from Wind Waker. 72.105.6.36 11:27, 9 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Ghirahim is more widely speculated though and is from the same game as Fi (as well as playing opposite to Fi) also only sign your talk posts with only one set of tildes (I.e. ~-~- not ~-~- ~-~- ~-~- replacing the dashes (-) with tildes (~) of course) Laikue (talk) 12:49, 9 August 2014 (EDT)

The Ninka/Vaanrose "Leak" from SmashBoards.com
I was tempted to add this supposed "leak", but I thought it would be more appropriate to run it by here first. While it is not exactly popular, the individuals from SmashBoards who initially provided this information are regarded as trusted and reliable sources, who are unlikely to just make things up. The fact that they felt it was important enough to share is noteworthy. This information is usually not accessible for those who don't have a SmashBoards account. Recently, however, the information has been restricted to the more senior members of SmashBoards and for that reason I no longer have full access to it. The amount of secrecy about this information is very interesting, and while it is not widely acknowledged I think it's significant enough to create a section for here, but what do you guys think? I managed to snap a shot of the information. Please do not immediately disregard the information because the pictures are from Project M; the text on the image will explain that.--Nintendo101 (talk) 18:21, 19 August 2014 (EDT)
 * OK: Do not put pictures on talk pages. They take up unnecessary space, even more so in this pic's case, and can be handled by an internal link ( File:Name; notice the extra colon before 'file') . About the leak itself: What exactly is this supposed to leak? You never explained that. I can't read the text there, and I think you should give us an external link to the thread so we can see what this actually is.  Qw <font color="003F3F">er <font color="005F5F">ty <font color="005F6F">(t <font color="003C6F">al <font color="000F7F">k)  18:58, 19 August 2014 (EDT)
 * I can provide a link to the thread, but individuals who do not have a SmashBoards account cannot view the information, and the thread has now been locked so that only senior members can view the information anyways. http://smashboards.com/threads/the-ninka-vaanrose-leak-discussion-theory.362684 The purpose of the image is that if you select it, and go to its file, it's large enough for you to read it's contents. It was the only way for me to provide the information without quoting it myself because I didn't think I'd be believed if I was to just spread the information from it. The leak adds details on certain palette swaps, and more importantly it claims to provide information on newcomers and character cuts from Brawl. --Nintendo101 (talk) 20:17, 19 August 2014 (EDT)