Talk:Bucket Braking

Merge
Merge. Seems good, would work as a few extra paragraphs in Oil Panic... Havoc Reaper 48!! 23:08, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. This technique seems important enough to me to merit its own page, but I think that the page should merge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miles.oppenheimer (talk • contribs) 23:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Keep. I think that the article is all right on its own and does not need to be merged. Solar Dragon  ( Talk ) 20:00, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Keep. It's a seperate technique. That's like saying that you should put kirbycide on kirby's page. It goes fine on its own. Highway  pumpy  PK STARSTORM!! |undefined] 19:18, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, if we were to merge it, it would be on Inhale's page, not the Kirby page itself. Techniques don't reflect the characters themselves, just how good they perform in battles. Havoc Reaper  48  20:12, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok it was just an example. I couldn't think of anything else. Didn't mean to offend you. PK  FIYAH  Highwaydawg |undefined 20:33, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, just thought the example was a bit drastic. Havoc Reaper  48  20:52, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Keep. Easily notable enough to merit its own page...  Penguin  of  Death   21:19, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Keep. Ditto.--Megatron1 (talk) 02:26, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Merge / Delete
Merge. This needs to be merged with Oil Panic as a strategy. -Ivy73 (talk) 15:51, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Merge This page should be merged with Oil Panic, it is just Momentum Canceling with Oil Panic. We don't have a separate article for momentum cancelling with Donkey Kong's Spinning Kong, which negates all horizontal momentum on the first frame of activation. The information in this article already exists on the Momentum Cancelling page and I can easily add it to the Oil Panic page as well as mention the nickname. As such, this is just momentum canceling with Oil Panic and we don't need the information on three different pages. Omega  Tyrant   09:24, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Merge / Delete: The only issue with merging the page is that the unofficial term "Bucket Brake" exists, while separate terms don't exist for, say, DK's Spinning Kong momentum cancel. However, as long as the term is acknowledged and referenced on the momentum canceling page, and redirects are created, it does make more sense to merge the article. The page on momentum canceling has sections of detailed information on every character's momentum canceling moves and abilities, and there's no reason to redirect readers to this page just to see G&W's section. Mako Shark (talk) 13:41, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Delete I went and added the necessary information on the Oil Panic page. Now we have the information on this page in two other articles. As such, this page is no longer needed and it should be deleted. Omega  Tyrant   10:27, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Delete Same reason as above. Dr. Pain 99   Talk  13:21, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Keep. This is an actual technique, and it having it's own page is absolutely the correct thing. Even with the note of it on other pages, the information here is more detailed and specific. That is how things like this work. On other pages, a mention of it's existence and general properties are listed with a link to this page, where the full technique is covered. Please stop trying to tag completely legitimate pages for deletion. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 15:02, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is cover in more detail on the Momentum Canceling and Oil Panic pages. This page is also not only about using Oil Panic for momentum canceling, it tells other moves that can be use for momentum canceling as well, all of which are covered in more detail on the momentum canceling pages. As such, the information here is just a repeat of information that exists on other pages, but in a less detailed and poorly written matter. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 15:06, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Poor writing is not a justification for deletion. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 15:07, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know it doesn't, but why keep this article when the same information exists on two other pages, both of which describe the technique in a more detailed and specific matter? There are many other special moves that can negate momentum while momentum canceling and I don't think that just because momentum canceling with Oil Panic has a nickname doesn't mean that momentum canceling with Oil Panic should have an article of its own. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 15:14, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Professional notability is also at play here. Waveshining could be in a different article, as could Wall of Pain.  But they are important enough techniques to the metagame that they merit their own pages.  Same here.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 15:25, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, but can Waveshining be accomplished with other special moves besides Reflector or can characters other than Fox and Falco do it? As for Bucking Braking, it is just momentum canceling, it is not a special technique that only Mr. Game & Watch can do. Every character in the game can use momentum canceling and Oil Panic is not the only special move that can momentum cancel. Just because using this technique with Oil Panic got its own nickname, I do not believe that it should get its own article when the information can easily be covered in two other articles. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 15:36, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, other characters cannot waveshine, but other characters can't bucket brake either. This is like Wall of Pain:  Characters besides Jigly can do it, but not as well.  It goes as buck breaking because that's the technique that popularized it and what we named it after.  If you have so much of a problem with this, by all means go to SmashBoards and ask them what they think.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 15:40, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now why would I want to go to SmashBoards? I really don't care for them that much and this is a matter pertaining to the Wiki, not them. The Wall of Pain article really doesn't relate to this issue. I know Jigglypuff isn't the only character that can do it but not every character can do a true Wall of Pain. But every character can momentum cancel. As I said before, this technique is not Bucket Breaking, its momentum canceling. Bucket Breaking is the nickname giving to momentum canceling with Oil Panic. Yes, there are no other characters that can "Bucket Break" since it is momentum canceling with Oil Panic and Mr. Game & Watch is the only character with Oil Panic. But every character in the game can momentum cancel in some way. I know that Oil Panic is the best momentum canceling move in the game, but under that logic, should we give the best move for everything and the matter that they are used in their own article? Also, Oil Panic is not the best move for horizontal momentum canceling, Mr. Game & Watch can survive 52% longer with DI and "Bucket Breaking" but Donkey Kong can survive 71% longer with DI and using Spinning Kong for momentum canceling. As such, Oil Panic is not vastly superior to every other momentum canceling move in the game. Right now, the Bucking Breaking article just looks like an inferior Momentum Canceling article and do we really want inferior articles on our Wiki? Also, just because people on SmashBoards came up with Bucket Breaking before momentum canceling, I do not believe that we should have an article about it as "Bucket Breaking" is just another form of momentum canceling. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 16:11, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with merging/deleting. Waveshining and WoP'ing are combinations of two or more things. On the other hand, when compared to other momentum-canceling moves, there is nothing unique about Bucket Braking aside from the fact it has a name. Toomai Glittershine  eXemplary Logic  The Stats Guy  The Table Designer  16:20, June 18, 2010 (UTC)