Talk:AKANEIA

Does anyone have pictures of this we can put on here=???
 * The stage is glitched and can't be opened without crashing the game. Ergo, no pictures. WaluigiIsAwesome 22:20, November 10, 2007 (EST)

Weren't there claims that pieces of the stage were uncovered through hacking though? --RoyboyX (talk) 20:38, 10 September 2011 (EDT)
 * I'm not aware of any progress made in hacking this stage. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:58, 10 September 2011 (EDT)


 * There have been claims, but no proof.  Ƌoӄԏo яΠ ɛ ə и 9 9  {ROLLBACKER} 12:35, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

Do you think this stage was never even programmed in at all? --RoyboyX (talk) 13:14, 11 September 2011 (EDT)
 * Don't know, but that itself would be speculation, and will not be put in the article unless definitive proof is presented. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:03, 11 September 2011 (EDT)
 * My guess is that it is lacking something important that causes the game to crash. Mr. Anon (talk) 19:08, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

True
Actually the rumor is true because someone fully access AKANEIA without any crashing. Do I know this person, no, did they show what can fully access AKANEIA, no. (Smashworker101 (talk) 12:24, 27 November 2014 (EST))

"The following error is left in the Log:"
What is this all about, then? Where does Melee keep a log of events?

---  Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  18:12, 2 June 2016 (EDT)
 * It's a visible output that you can see when emulating. Pretty much all games do this.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  19:43, 2 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Reference this.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  19:49, 2 June 2016 (EDT)


 * Hm... Interesting, but is it notable to the page? We don't have similar information on other pages about what Dolphin's Log says in the midst of gameplay.


 * ---  Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  20:55, 2 June 2016 (EDT)
 * This is also the only crash case in the game that hides possible game content though  Serpent SKSig.png  King  21:01, 2 June 2016 (EDT)
 * What about accessing DUMMY, ICETOP, or 10-2 without a crash prevent code?


 * ---  Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  21:09, 2 June 2016 (EDT)
 * That's just it, there exist methods of accessing those stages. There is no known method of accessing AKANEIA.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  21:48, 2 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I was asking if accessing these stages without a crash prevention code causes a message to pop up in the Log. ب_ب


 * ---  Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  21:53, 2 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Uh not sure, let me try it.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  22:02, 2 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Yes, it does . What is more, what makes DUMMY crash is a lack of a background music pointer, which I assume is what the AR crash prevent code provides. Perhaps that should go here.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  22:05, 2 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Fair enough. Can you at all try testing ICETOP and 10-2 to see what sort of errors they throw up?


 * ---  Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  02:22, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

(reset indent) Already did, not sure what these ones mean: ICETOP, 10-2, Trophy Collector on trophy load, Mushroom Kingdom on Yoshi load (sorry about the texture glitches, forgot to configure graphics...)  Serpent   King  02:31, 3 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I will say that it looks like the game tried and failed to scale something in the Mushroom Kingdom one. "scale!=0.0F" is a conditional testing for a variable called "scale" to be not equal to 0.0F (which I am pretty sure is hexadecimal for 0.15, not positive how non-whole numbers work in hex though).  Serpent SKSig.png  King  02:37, 3 June 2016 (EDT)
 * No it's not hex, it's "0.0 the float (as opposed to int)". So it's a check to ensure that something doesn't have a size of zero. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Irrepressible 10:00, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

"Akaneia" redirect
Is there any reason that this stage is the one outlier of the Melee debug stages in that it doesn't have a redirect with lowercase characters? There was one at some point, which was deleted on the base that it was unnecessary. Shouldn't this be the case with all of the others' redirects, then? — Nokii (T·C·L) 10:36, 9 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Dummy and Test probably should be. There is no "Icetop" and 10-2 has no alphabetic characters.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  10:40, 9 October 2018 (EDT)
 * There's no Icetop, but there IS IceTop, though, which I assume falls under "unnecessary redirect" as well.
 * I'll go ahead and mark them for speedy deletion, if you aren't already planning in deleting them.

— Nokii (T·C·L) 10:51, 9 October 2018 (EDT)

(Akaneia's Mystery)
Honestly, someone needs to edit the AKANEIA page in this wiki and say someone has found evidence of AKANEIA ACTUALLY BEING there. What the heck, I don't even know at this point. I've tried, like, fifteen different fandoms, NO ONE HAS ANY EVIDENCE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.131.123.253 (talk • contribs) 21:58, August 26, 2021 (EDT)
 * "Unsubstantiated rumors claim that pieces of it can be isolated or viewed within the game's data, but no evidence proves that anyone has successfully accessed AKANEIA or discovered any unique elements for it." For all I know, there is nothing other than the name in the debug menu and an interview with Sakurai. You can probably stop looking on other fandom sites because they'll probably tell you the same thing. --CanvasK (talk) 22:25, August 26, 2021 (EDT)

Well... I guess my next mission is to find the guy who actually DID hack AKANEIA. And I think the reason AKANEIA is unable to load is because it takes up so much data that the game cant process it. By the way, you wouldn't happen to know the person who hacked AKANEIA would yall? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.95.183.62 (talk • contribs) 09:16, August 27, 2021 (EDT)
 * Again, if you read what Canvas had above, there is no evidence that anyone actually loaded AKANEIA. It’s most likely what you heard is just a rumor or someone lying about their experience, because if someone were to load AKANEIA, it would be big news right now. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  09:34, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

Alright then what's all that talk about the person who did hack it? If I remember correctly, they said, "Actually the rumors are true. I heard someone who hacked AKANEIA without any crashing." Tbh, SOMEONE needs to get some evidence. I've only been working on this 3 days and I alr have a headache. ... Wait, could someone try to hack it without using the codes? Like, as in, force the files to load? Is that possible? It says in the wiki page that there are no codes known that can hack it, so why not hack it directly instead of using codes? If anyone has the game and the game system and can hack it, please tell me what you find.

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I sound like a noob to yall dont I? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.95.183.62 (talk • contribs) 10:11, August 27, 2021 (EDT)
 * To be honest, if you're spending 3 days on this, you're looking into this way too much. If it does exist, then it will pop up on social media within the next few weeks or so. Nevertheless, we do not have the information here, nor do anyone of us believe it actually exists. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  12:02, August 27, 2021 (EDT)
 * I've checked Reddit, Twitter, and Google. The only recent things that pop up for AKANEIA are this page and a mod that borrows the name but has nothing to do with the stage. The only recent discussion about it is this thread; everything else is years old and went no where. And to requote from the page again "...or discovered any unique elements for it.", with years of modding (which involves directly managing the files, no cheat codes) for the most popular game in the Smash series, someone would've found something that isn't documented and reasonably be able to find it is associated with AKANEIA, but nothing. Someone on tcrf.net said they saw someone load it without crashing, but it was a black void and no geometry, thus no files. Any files (if any were ever made) that could be a part of it probably only exist on old versions that are tucked away in Nintendo's disk drives, which we don't have access to. --CanvasK (talk) 12:23, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

Quite simply, all that remains in Melee's data of the stage is an entry for it in the list of stages, and the fact that the Fire Emblem remix has a matching filename. Everything else was removed before the game was finished. There isn't anything more to find. Miles ( talk)  12:29, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

So I guess none of you would believe me if I said I was gonna try and figure this out myself instead of searching the internet? Because, tbh, the AKANEIA mystery is really interesting. I want to see if I can solve it. Also, we might be able to hack Nintendo's disk drives, but it would take a MASSIVE amount of hacking. Also, we probably couldn't do it remotely. So yeah. Imma try and solve it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.95.183.62 (talk • contribs) 12:55, August 27, 2021 (EDT)
 * I don't mind you searching for AKANEIA by yourself, but please don't any of the "rumors" of people hacking into the stage. Not only are the rumors unconfirmed, but they aren't really that notable either. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  16:00, August 27, 2021 (EDT)
 * Also, be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer  (talk) 16:04, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

Ok. If I ever do manage to find something though I'll post it in the disscussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.95.183.62 (talk • contribs) 16:13, August 27, 2021 (EDT)


 * "we might be able to hack Nintendo's disk drives"... hack a massive company's secure servers (which is probably illegal), which is probably in a different country from you, for files that are 20 years old, file which may not have ever existed, on drives that may not even be plugged in... so you can have some closure... Good luck with that, mate. --CanvasK (talk) 17:11, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

I mean, it POSSIBLE, but you'd either have to be really sneaky or be an employee at Nintendo, which I am neither so... yeah. 75.131.123.253 19:29, August 27, 2021 (EDT)
 * As with all Smash games, Melee has already been datamined beyond the moon and back. If actual assets of AKANEIA exist in the finished game, they would've been discovered years ago, which they haven't. This is as far as it'll go. Toad.png  Omega Toad,  the Toad Warrior.  (I'm the best!)  20:04, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

Well... ok. I guess you're right. No one has any evidence, no one has been able to hack it, and even if they have, there are no assets. ... So... I guess AKANEIA never was really programmed into the game. I just thought that AKANEIA was actually put into the game but the developers made it to where its impossible to hack it. Well... I guess it could be worse but yeah. Imma stop lookin at it. It'll probably drive me insane trying to look for clues anyways :P 75.131.123.253 20:20, August 27, 2021 (EDT)

But the only thing I have found (which I wont look into anymore) is the fact that in the error code it says ground.c.1320 or somethin like that. That most likely means it never actually had a floor, so therefore, probably not a good idea to play it bc youll fall off the stage immediatly lol. 75.131.123.253 07:55, August 28, 2021 (EDT)