Forum:Smash Arena/Archive 33

Round 161: Roy vs. Ike
{|style="width:100%;" size=5>Winner!! Ike  18 to 22
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 * style="width:100%; background:#dfdfdf; padding:5px" colspan="6"|A matchup between a character and the character who supposedly replaced him that ended in a tie? You know that'll get a rematch someday, and here it is! Will one of the two spiky-haired swordsman get an edge this time around?
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Votes for Roy

 * 1) Roy is more coolsauce and he's not arrogant and boastful. Dots The Kirby NintenNESsprite.png 11:04, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 2) Because he has fire. Bandit 12:26, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 3) He's our boy.  --Havoc 48  >:D!!!  12:56, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 4) Because Roy's redesign in Fire Emblem: Kakusei doesn't look nearly as retarded as Ike's. --- ReiDemon, Author Extraordinaire, 13:49, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 5) He has th3 ph1re!!!!!! Terrible   is   Halloween  15:14, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 6) Because I never play as Ike in Brawl.  James Heart  123  16:56, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 7) Very close, but I choose Roy in the end. Mr.  Anon Anon.png talk   00:42, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 8) A right royal rumble. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 07:57, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 9) We dislike Ike!  Shu pa  Roeh  TypicalGuy.png 22:22, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 10) Roy's our boy! 142.244.164.103 13:02, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 11) He's unlockable, plus I don't use Ike in Brawl. SSBBNess  ( talk ) [[File:SSBBNess sig image.png]] 15:30, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
 * Ike: I'M TOO CHEAP! 217.44.196.42 04:06, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 1) No! Roy must not lose! Roy's way better than Ike! Chuck  Norris  24.png  07:30, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 2) 66.188.18.174 15:16, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 3) Go Roy! 67.173.145.76 02:44, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 4) "Roy's our boy!!" This was a very difficult match for me to decide... T_T As much I am inherently linked with Ike, his awesomeness is trumped by the one swordsman that introduced one of the coolest techniques ever to me: The peerless, OHKO-ing Flare Blade. Both fiery swordsmen are cool; had lots of fun playing as Roy in SSB Melee and Ike in SSB Brawl; hopefully, both of them triumphantly return in SSB4. Fenyx4 (talk) 17:22, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 5) Well, he is my best character in Melee. Rick  Tommy  00:24, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 6) What Fenyx4 said. 117.254.216.201 07:25, 3 November 2012 (EDT)


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Votes for Ike

 * 1) One must not simply add fire to Marth. Lightning Blue 405MS.png 10:58, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 2) Because Great Aether. That's all it takes for Ike to be infinitely more awesome.174.20.251.84 12:17, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 3) Less of a clone. Air   Conditioner  AC.png I am the air con. 14:13, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 4) he's cool. Floor2000x (talk) 14:17, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 5) We Like Ike! 204.191.140.194 14:44, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 6) Ike's Final Smash is awesome and He has strong attacks Boxman992 (talk) 15:30, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 7) Ike's moveset is better, stronger and looks great too! SuperBowser (talk) 2:40, 28 October 2012 (IST)
 * 8) Note to self: make up better reasons than Brawl > Melee. 24.168.104.230 17:38, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 9) I like the Tellius storyline in Fire Emblem, so Ike gets my vote. Naked Snake  200px-Naked Snake.jpg  19:13, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 10) Lemme tell ya somethin': it is a pain to KO with Roy without using the same reliable finisher every time. Now with Ike, he may be hindered a great deal with painfully slow attack speed, but his attacks beat the banjos out of Roy's arensal, I'll tell you what. 71.199.133.103 20:23, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * So, so, so, so many reasons why I choose him. Also, I hate Fire Emblem! Supersmash4 (talk) 21:07, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 1) Ike says: "GREAT AETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and Roy says: Nothing cool whatsoever. Nintendosega75 (talk) 21:09, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * Ike, in my opinion, seems to be the strongest character in the game. Smash  Master   21:43, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 1) Because I can do this-- Brian Don't try me!Falco.gif 06:08, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 2) Ike is one of my favourite characters, both in Smash Bros. and Fire Emblem. 110.174.90.69 09:09, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 3) Ike has some actual useable aerial attacks, and doesn't just have two moves to kill with. He simply is a better character with a much better moveset who is also not an inferior clone. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:31, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 4) He has no sypathy for vandels.The Cheese  The Cheese.png 22:15, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 5) I think Omega Tyrant-sama said it best. Hawk  21 PSIWolf sig 1.png Talk   08:37, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 6) Ike is stronger. The Awesome   09:58, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 7) We like Ike. We Like Ike. We Like Ike.94.1.111.135 16:33, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
 * 8) Because Ike can do this. F1reBurn1ng (talk) 23:01, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

Half-votes

 * 1) Puh-lease Ike is way stronger, he can wield a heavy sword with one hand and plus his attacks do way more damage! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkzekrom0 (talk • contribs) 11:56 AM, October 29, 2012 (EST)
 * 2) I like Ike and have never played Melee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSmashBrawl (talk • contribs) 6:00 PM, October 28, 2012 (UTC)


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Comments
Black text on a blue background is almost as bad as black text on a navy background... Air  Conditioner   has a long signature 17:01, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * I agree I could barely see the votes at all on my iPad. Terrible   is   Halloween  17:49, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * XD "Let me tell ya somethin'" Lightning <font style="color:darkblue">Blue 405MS.png 21:58, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * It is as bad as having to highlight just to read my own username. F1reBurn1ng (talk) 23:03, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
 * I lightened the background. If Toomai objects, he can change it back. <font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321 (<font face="Calibri">talk  · <font face="Calibri">contributions ) 00:12, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * Wrong, you made it darker. And yes I did change it back because this blue has been used many times in the past with few if any complaints, and it will continue to be used in the future. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Metroid 10:32, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * Alright I goofed in claiming you made it darker. I maintain that the change was unwarranted. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Emissary 19:10, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

This was ShupaRoeh's suggestion. Why didn't my suggestion make it? <font color="Blue">The <font color="Blue">Awesome   11:07, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
 * Because either it wasn't as good, people opposed it, or Toomai didn't like it. Air   Conditioner  AC.png OH GOD A HURRICANE 11:16, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
 * How do you know your suggestion's not in the queue? Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Free 12:41, 29 October 2012 (EDT)


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Round 162: Flat Zone vs. Flat Zone 2
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Votes for Flat Zone

 * 1) Flat Zone 2 was a bitch, especially with the blast lines. And even though I haven't played Melee, it looks like it has a better layout.--Wolfsig.png  PSIWolf   The one   and only!  10:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 2) This stage doesn't change often unlike Flat Zone 2. Dots The Doom NintenNESsprite.png 10:38, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 3) So much simpler.<font color="FFD700">The <font color="FFD700">Cheese  The Cheese.png 11:00, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 4) Helmet, my favorite G&W game. Terrible   is   Thanksgiving  11:10, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 5) Better song. <span style="background:rgba(255, 128, 0, 0.25);font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(181.25,100%,50%)">Bandit 12:05, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 6) The older the better. <font color="Blue">The <font color="Blue">Awesome   12:11, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 7)  --Havoc  48  >:D!!!  12:54, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 8) Smaller and simple for fun, quick matches. <font color="#FF0000">Unknown <font color="#780000">the  <font color="#000000">Hedgehog  13:04, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 9) Why can't they just make a Manhole-based one which allows for meteor smashes? Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 13:17, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 10) Something about it makes it cooler. Shan <font style="color:darkorange;">deru  MiniGhost.png  16:02, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 11) Better music. Mr.  <font color="midnightblue">Anon Anon.png talk   16:55, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 12) A world of pain awaits players in Flat Zone 2 with its constantly changing layout. Here, not so much. But...watch out for falling tools! 71.199.133.103 17:09, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 13) This one is way more faithful. Flat Zone 2 is Pictochat level unfaithful. Supersmash4 (talk) 18:40, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 14) Helmet is the shit! <font face="Arial"> Shu pa  Roeh  TypicalGuy.png 19:48, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 15) I always had good times with Melee. Smash  Master   20:28, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 16) I prefer the layout and music of this stage more. 110.174.90.69 22:23, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 17) I'll give this one to Melee. 217.44.196.22 03:21, 5 November 2012 (EST)


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Votes for Flat Zone 2

 * 1) A toss up but the Fire and Chef stages seem more appealing. <font style="font-family:arial narrow"><font style="color:royalblue">Lightning <font style="color:darkblue">Blue  405MS.png 12:23, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 2) Has more games to showcase. 204.191.140.194 12:54, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 3) I almost never play on Flat Zone because I find the music very disturbing. Chuck  Norris  24.png  13:14, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 4) New and improved! Air   Conditioner  AC.png Goo goo g'joob. 13:33, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 5) [insert generic brawl is better than melee vote here]  James Heart  123  16:22, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 6) This one changes and is way more fun. Nintendosega75 (talk) 14:57, 4 November 2012 (EST)
 * 7) MUCH better music. SSBBNess  ( talk ) [[File:SSBBNess sig image.png]] 09:10, 5 November 2012 (EST)
 * 8) 142.244.164.178 13:21, 5 November 2012 (EST)
 * 9) Pity vote. Rick  Tommy  21:54, 6 November 2012 (EST)
 * 10) Just 'cause. 129.128.29.72 10:03, 8 November 2012 (EST)
 * 11) I have more experience with this stage, and Flat Zone 2's stage transformations cause it to be a slightly more lively stage compared to the relatively "static" Flat Zone 1. It would've been nice if both stages were present in SSB Brawl similar to how both Pokémon Stadiums 1 & 2 were present. Here's hoping both Flat Zone stages return for SSB4. Fenyx4 (talk) 22:46, 8 November 2012 (EST)
 * 12) The extremely close blast lines aren't quite as problematic here, and the stage as a whole is slightly more interesting. Still a terrible stage, but not quite as bad. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:23, 8 November 2012 (EST)
 * 13) The music is what made me vote for this stage. =] Also, I never like playing on Flat Zone 1. =| 67.173.145.76 16:37, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Half-votes

 * 1) Never played melee before and flat zone2 is epic go brawl. The changes are awesome and CPUs oftenSD on it I win the brawl woo! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.41.231 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 3 November 2012
 * 2) I 'unno. I do like Flat Zone 2's music more, and its gimmicks make for some truly stupid fun. Hawk  21 PSIWolf sig 1.png Talk   11:15, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
 * 3) flat zone two is awesome —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.148.204.222 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 8 November 2012 (EST)


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Comments
On the main page, the emblem for Flat Zone uses the Brawl Game & Watch emblem. Shouldn't it use the melee emblem as that stage was only in melee? Chuck Norris    20:59, 6 November 2012 (EST)
 * I don't think it will make much of a diffrence. Terrible   is   Thanksgiving  21:04, 6 November 2012 (EST)
 * You're right, it really wouldn't, but I felt like I should point it out. Chuck  Norris  24.png  21:10, 6 November 2012 (EST)


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Round 163: Light Arrow vs. Critical Hit
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Votes for Light Arrow

 * 1) Why not? Terrible   is   Thanksgiving  12:35, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 2) Light Arrow can go through solid surface. Brawls of fury (talk) 12:50, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 3) Pity vote. But I must admit, Marth's is way cooler. Nintendosega75 (talk) 13:51, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 4) I've never survived.<font color="FFD700">The <font color="FFD700">Cheese  The Cheese.png 14:59, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 5) I dislike Marth a lot, and personally I think Light Arrow looks cooler, even if it's not an OHKO. 110.174.90.69 21:00, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 6) LoZ over Fire Emblem any day.68.115.61.130 12:22, 12 November 2012 (EST)
 * 7) It can't kill the user.--71.160.139.126 02:27, 14 November 2012 (EST)
 * 8) Favourite Final Smash. =D 142.244.110.83 11:25, 14 November 2012 (EST)
 * 9) Pity vote. Plus, it's how you defeat Ganon(dorf) in Ocarina of Time. Rick  Tommy  20:37, 14 November 2012 (EST)
 * 10) I promise you, Light Arrow, next time I play through Minish Cap, I will obtain you. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 20:48, 14 November 2012 (EST)
 * 11) Vote for Zelly. 67.173.145.76 00:59, 16 November 2012 (EST)
 * 12) Sheik's light arrow helped me beat the guys at my dorm who excel at Smash (the only match I won against him, and there was a third player, which helps).  James Heart  123  01:07, 16 November 2012 (EST)


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Votes for Critical Hit

 * 1) Almost always an instant KO. 204.191.140.194 00:37, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 2) Fire Emblem is freakin' awesome. 24.168.93.165 00:59, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 3) I've survived Light Arrow without the aid of anything to reduce/halt my knockback, the same can't be said for Critical Hit. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 01:01, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 4) Both can be easy to dodge, but at least Light Arrow can have some chances of surviving. Critical Hit, well, not so much. (Per OT) Dots The Doom NintenNESsprite.png 01:24, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 5) Deadlier.--Wolfsig.png  PSIWolf  The one   and only!  06:27, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 6) I can bucket brake Sheik's, but not this. <font face="Arial"> Shu pa  Roeh  TypicalGuy.png 08:18, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 7) Way more powerful!! <font color="Blue">The <font color="Blue">Awesome   08:27, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 8) I can easily say that I survived Light Arrow w/o MCing. Critical Hit... uh... not much luck. I love OHKO attacks! Smash  Master   10:59, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 9) It's Marth. Besides, Zelda's is too quick and easy to miss with. SSBBNess  ( talk ) [[File:SSBBNess sig image.png]] 11:23, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 10) I don't like LoZ that I have such a tendency to pick on Legend of Zelda characters. But enough about that; Critical Hit rocks! When Marth catches someone with Critical Hit, you...Are...OUT OF HERE! I have a hunch the unreal attack strength of this final smash is on par with Tabuu's Off Waves. Good luck surviving such a colossal blow! Sakurai and his crew did something right, I'll tell you what. 67.166.229.4 14:48, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 11) This... is barely a contest. Critical Hit is just SO MUCH BETTER. Air   Conditioner  AC.png IИ SФVIЗT ЯЦSSIД, SIGЙДTЦЯЭ SIGИ УФЦ! 14:53, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 12) If only Ganon's health bar went down that low from a Light Arrow in Ocarina of Time. <font style="font-family:arial narrow"><font style="color:royalblue">Lightning <font style="color:darkblue">Blue 405MS.png 22:56, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * 13) Cooler. <font face="Eurostile" size="3"> Blue Ninjakoopa (Talk) 05:27, 11 November 2012 (EST)
 * 14) Better, realy.Heisei-Paratroopa (talk) 17:12, 11 November 2012 (EST)
 * 15) They're both awesome, but I like Marth, so Critical Hit it is.174.20.251.84 18:26, 11 November 2012 (EST)
 * 16) Fire Emblem. And it's just a better attack. <font color="darkgreen" size="2px">Naked  <font color="darkgreen" size="2px">Snake  200px-Naked Snake.jpg  19:54, 11 November 2012 (EST)
 * 17) 'Dat ownage. 217.44.196.22 03:14, 12 November 2012 (EST)
 * 18) Marth is much cooler than zelda. This final smash is awesome.92.42.57.34 06:15, 12 November 2012 (EST)
 * 19) It's a guaranteed one-hit KO.SuperBowser (talk) 16:20, 12 November 2012 (EST)
 * 20) Marth all the Way! Chuck  Norris  24.png  17:29, 12 November 2012 (EST)
 * 21) Look at all that HP drop! 129.128.29.72 10:07, 15 November 2012 (EST)


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Comments
I know that I'm a little late to comment on this round, but I think that a Light Arrow (Zelda) vs. Light Arrow (Sheik) battle would be interesting. Chuck Norris    17:53, 20 November 2012 (EST)


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Round 164: Sonic vs. Shadow
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Votes for Sonic

 * 1) Sonic is faster!! <font color="Green">The <font color="Green">Awesome   10:36, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 2) I like him more. 204.191.140.194 11:48, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 3) I would vote for Shadow, but Sonic actually has been having some decent games lately. Also, Shadow seems very uninspired.  --Havoc 48  >:D!!!  12:16, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 4) Despite his games being sluggish and that his attacks don't have much knockback, Sonic would always be cool to me since 1991. Dots The Thanksgiving NintenNESsprite.png 12:18, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 5) To spare RD the anguish of eyes stabbed out by a dull spoon. -- Roy boy  X   Talk  12:20, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 6) The older, the better! Pepsi  Boy   I am back!  12:23, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 7) Because... his image is transparent. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 12:43, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 8) I don't really like Sonic, but I really don't like Shadow. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:46, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 9) His series was epic, especially in late 2011. <font face="Arial"> Shu pa  Roeh  TypicalGuy.png 12:51, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 10) Sonic is better. 108.162.156.108 14:01, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 11) I... can't see anything...<font color="FFD700">The <font color="FFD700">Cheese  The Cheese.png 14:20, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 12) Sonic is my 2nd favorite character. Smash  Master   09:55, 18 November 2012 (EST)
 * 13) Nothing wrong with Shadow, for his role, he's perfect, I just like Sonic more, that's all! TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 18:47, 18 November 2012 (EST)
 * 14) 142.244.109.159 11:36, 19 November 2012 (EST)
 * 15) You're too slow! SSBBNess  ( talk ) [[File:SSBBNess sig image.png]] 13:41, 19 November 2012 (EST)
 * 16) Have always preferred Sonic to Shadow. 110.174.90.69 18:12, 20 November 2012 (EST)
 * 17) Kids, there's nothing more cool than being hugged by someone you like. But if someone tries to touch you in a place or in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, that's no good. It's your body; no one has the right to touch you if you don't want them to! So what do you do? First, you say 'No!' Then, you get outta there! Most important, you gotta tell someone you trust, like your parents, your teacher, a police officer. <font face="Eurostile" size="3"> Blue Ninjakoopa (Talk) 23:11, 20 November 2012 (EST)
 * 18) This shall be a pity vote. I'm not much of a Sonic player due to his rock-bottom move set and KO potential in relation to every other character, but at the same time, Shadow does nothing to damage anyone, let alone KO. 67.166.229.4 20:43, 21 November 2012 (EST)
 * 19) --TommyNook (talk) 11:07, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Half-Votes

 * 1) Sonic is actually playable and shadow is rubbish —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.41.231 (talk • contribs) 11:57, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 2) sonic rocks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.102.69.210 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 17 November,2012 (EST)
 * 3) Sonic is the best videogame character yet by my opinion (and mario, but right now, this is about Sonic.).-Kaizer24.185.135.102 18:41, 19 November 2012 (EST)


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 * 1) He has a gun! Terrible   is   Thanksgiving  10:27, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 2) He's the only Sonic newcomer I want in SSB4. Most people are wanting Dr. Eggman, but come on, he's a boss not a playable character. Nintendosega75 (talk) 14:46, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 3) I was going to vote for Sonic, but I forgot why.  James Heart  123  15:54, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 4) Bow your heads low, all hail Shadow! 24.168.93.165 19:08, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * 5) Why would anyone vote for sonic. Shadow is a better and much cooler version of him. 94.15.44.170 02:53, 18 November 2012 (EST)
 * 6) Pity vote, and also so people can actually read my signature. Air   Conditioner  AC.png is a siam cat 15:48, 18 November 2012 (EST)
 * 7) I know Sonic will win no matter what I do, but, in all honesty, Shadow has all of Sonic's powers, plus the whole Chaos Control thing.174.20.251.84 21:12, 18 November 2012 (EST)
 * 8) Shadow.92.42.57.34 06:07, 19 November 2012 (EST)
 * 9) How do you make Sonic more BA? Make him black68.115.61.130 12:33, 20 November 2012 (EST)
 * 10) He's got a hairy chest. Chuck  Norris  24.png  17:53, 20 November 2012 (EST)
 * 11) 129.128.29.72 10:02, 22 November 2012 (EST)
 * 12) He has control over time. Toadat9021doh (talk) 13:52, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Half votes

 * 1) Why not vote for Shadow he is amazing! He is about as fast as Sonic plus he is Sonic,only he was created. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.175.213 (talk • contribs)


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Comments
I'm wondering why the Brawl artwork wasn't used for this battle. That doesn't mean I don't like it though, in fact I think it kinda cool. Chuck Norris    17:53, 20 November 2012 (EST)
 * Probably wanted to make it more in-universe or something. 108.29.19.27 21:23, 21 November 2012 (EST)


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Round 165: Wii Remote vs. Nunchuk vs. Classic Controller vs. GameCube Controller
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 * colspan="4" style="width:100%; background:#dfdfdf; padding:5px"|The first four-fold fight is up. Which way of Wii control is preferred?
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Votes for Wii Remote

 * 1) I'm way too used to using this controller. 204.191.140.194 13:23, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 2) Hah! I pity the fool...er, second-fool. --68.43.192.71 13:32, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 3) We can move it around anywhere! <font color="Blue">The <font color="Blue">Awesome   23:10, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 4) it's the simplest. Floor2000x (talk) 20:39, 25 November 2012 (EST)
 * 5) Can't start the game without it. 129.128.29.72 10:16, 29 November 2012 (EST)

Half votes

 * 1) Who hasn't used this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.175.213 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 24 November 2012 (EST)


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Votes for Nunchuk

 * 1) That's right. This is how I play Brawl. Come at me.  --Havoc 48  >:D!!!  11:02, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 2) Whoa, I suggested this! Anyway, I'm voting for this because the Nunchuk is the best controller scheme, despite what the Melee fans might tell you. Air   Conditioner  AC.png I FEEL FANTASTIC 14:07, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 3) I use this control scheme. Mr.  <font color="midnightblue">Anon Anon.png talk   18:14, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 4) As do I. -- Roy boy  X   Talk  18:17, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 5) Same here.Brawls of fury (talk) 19:00, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 6) Ditto. 108.14.75.62 21:37, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 7) I'm too used to these controls to vote against it.--72.67.142.81 00:16, 26 November 2012 (EST)
 * 8) Just like the word nunchucks. 142.244.213.76 14:27, 27 November 2012 (EST)
 * 9) You can actually roll with this68.115.61.130 10:04, 30 November 2012 (EST)

Half-Votes

 * 1) I played with this from the beginning & i have ever since. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.82.206 (talk • contribs) 13:08, 28 November 2012 (EST)


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Votes for Classic Controller

 * 1) Please. I use this with my computer, and it is quite fun, especially with when browsing the web, emulation and playing PC games. <font style="color:blue">Fugu <font style="color:pink">dev 15:17, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 2) Only one I know how to use, and I use it well. <font color="darkgreen" size="2px">Naked <font color="darkgreen" size="2px">Snake  200px-Naked Snake.jpg  20:27, 25 November 2012 (EST)
 * 3) It has a similar layout to the Gamecube controller while not being a straight-up clone. Rick  Tommy  19:08, 30 November 2012 (EST)


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Votes for GameCube Controller

 * 1) Can be used in all three games thanks to the Virtual Console. Toadat9021doh (talk) 10:58, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 2) .This is the one controller that I remember holding a lot, since I used to love playing my GameCube (and still do), and I still love using it on my Wii. -- Airconny (talk) 11:03, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 3) Always going to stick with this controller, which almost makes me reluctant to buy a Wii U. The GameCube controller is also perhaps the most used in Smash competitive gaming. I don't think many people are used to play with a Wiimote or Wiimote and Nunchuck and I don't even have a classic controller. Dots The Thanksgiving NintenNESsprite.png 11:04, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 4) The sole reason I am not going to perform a Wii to Wii U system transfer. I can't leave this controller behind. Wii Remote and Wii Remote + Nunchuck's difficulty with smash attacks are problematic, and the Classic Controller, while decent, has a few flaws, such as the control sticks being too tall for the comfort of my thumbs. Perhaps when somebody makes an unofficial GameCube controller/port for Wii U, I will (I have faith this will happen). I already reckon I'll be using the Wii U GamePad for SSB4, however. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 11:24, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 5) Once you play Melee, you can't stop using this controller. Terrible   is   Thanksgiving  12:18, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 6) Mine broke, I stink at Smash Bros. now.<font color="FFD700">The <font color="FFD700">Cheese  The Cheese.png 12:48, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 7) No contest. <font face="Arial"> Shu pa  Roeh  TypicalGuy.png 13:36, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 8) Do I even need to say why this one's the best? Also, how come my buddy Supersmash4 isn't allowed to vote in these anymore? Nintendosega75 (talk) 14:02, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 9) I don't know how I was ever able to use the Wii Remote and Nunchuk back when I first got this game. I always use the Gamecube Controller. Chuck  Norris  24.png  14:06, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 10) I will never part with this controller. The GameCube was my first system (MK:DD being my first game), and I am still inseparable from this controller and many GameCube games. Plus, I can play all 3 Smash games with it!  DarkFox01:  Gobble  gobble  gobble  16:21, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 11) I feel comfortable with the GCN controller; the Nunchuk and Wiimote to play Brawl will only cause me pain. 67.166.229.4 19:49, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 12) I was always comfortable using this controller, and I'm the best with this out of all of the 4 ways to play Brawl. Too bad the same can't be said for the Wii U. :( Smash  Master   20:21, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 13) Most optimal design for tech skill and probably the only viable controller in competitive play, except perhaps the wii-mote + nunchuk. Then again only 2 professionals use wiimote and nunchuk (UltimateRazer and Tearbear).-- Brian Don't try me!Falco.gif 23:23, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 14) Wiimote alone is just terrible and should have never been an option; Wiichuck takes significant getting used to; CC lacks durability and requires you to lug the Wiimote along with it; GCN has the optimal design without any of the hassle, and can last you years. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 01:52, 25 November 2012 (EST)
 * 15) Sooooooo much better. Shan <font style="color:darkorange;">deru  MiniGhost.png  18:10, 25 November 2012 (EST)
 * 16) Definitely prefer the GameCube controller, it's the most comfortable and effective controller for the SSB games. 110.174.90.69 21:18, 25 November 2012 (EST)
 * 17) We're all Smash veterans here! 86.132.129.34 03:14, 27 November 2012 (EST)
 * 18) ...do I have to say anything? Ok then WHY DO I HAVE TO FIND MY WIIMOTE TO PLAY BRAWL?! <font style="font-family:arial narrow"><font style="color:royalblue">Lightning <font style="color:darkblue">Blue 405MS.png 23:23, 28 November 2012 (EST)
 * 19) Can be used with both Melee and Brawl.SuperBowser (talk) 05:20, 30 November 2012 (EST)
 * 20) Loved this awesome controller when I was playing Melee, and I bought it specifically for Brawl, as I don't have any Nintendo GameCube games. The Wiimote-alone and Wiimote+Nunchuk Attachment combination controllers are just weird; I can't really do smashes and tilts as effectively on them (and it's a chore to taunt on Wiimote alone), although I can somewhat hold my own even with the Wiimote-alone controller. Haven't tried Classic Controller; GCN Controller just feels right. A downright shame that the Wii U can't utilize it (as of now...), as well as that the Wiimote is required to start up Brawl. 72.3.33.7 18:08, 30 November 2012 (EST)

Half-Votes

 * 1) Without a doubt this controller! TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 15:25, 24 November 2012 (EST)
 * 2) Best controller yet and can play ALL 3 SMASH GAMES —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reese22222 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 30 November 2012 (EST)


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@Fugudev: I use my GameCube controller on my laptop too, it's indispensable for my LP'ing, when you consider how loud the keyboard would be when the microphone is inside the laptop, and I can also imagine that when I eventually get around to playing Super Smash Flash 2 with this controller, it'll be ever so much more useful than the keys. I can't say I've ever heard of a port that lets you plug a Classic Controller into a computer, only Nintendo controllers at and predating GameCube, and those of the other consoles. Toast  ltimatum  18:00, 24 November 2012 (EST)

@Omega Tyrant: The standalone Wii remote was an option because I wanted to include all four controller schemes, and if I left out any one, people who use said controller would whine about it. Air  Conditioner   likes pie 12:56, 25 November 2012 (EST)
 * I believe OT means the Wii Remote being a control scheme in the game altogether. I'm fine with it, some casuals want to be authentic, it just so happens the control scheme is poor. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 12:59, 25 November 2012 (EST)
 * This is correct, but my brief reasoning why it shouldn't have been included; the controller is vastly inferior to the others (and cannot really handle Smash), and it causes a few people to spend their time getting used to a controller they can barely play the game with, while there was really no reason to include it as an option (Wiichuck is standard with the Wii and every Wii owner should have one, so making Wiimote useuable wasn't necessary for ensuring every Wii owner could play). Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 01:13, 26 November 2012 (EST)

I just want to make it clear that Brawl is the only game where I have a problem with the Wiimote. But that's only because Smash attacks are harder on the Wii Remote. I konw this sounds unnecessary, but I don't want people thinking I'm one of those gamers who can't play any game unless the controller is absolutely normal. Nintendosega75 (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2012 (EST)
 * You can't play Brawl on the Wiimote not because it's not a "normal controller", but the for the fact the controller is completely unable to properly handle a game like Brawl. And who cares if you prefer to not limit yourself and use "normal controllers"? Being able to control the game properly is the most important aspect to any game. As for Supersmash4, look at his talkpage. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:40, 27 November 2012 (EST)

@LightningBlue Because you can't load the game without it. Toast  ltimatum  04:36, 29 November 2012 (EST)

Neat, four-way fight. :D I wonder how many future matches will take advantage of the increased number of combatant spots...? 72.3.33.7 18:08, 30 November 2012 (EST)
 * Very, very few. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 18:10, 30 November 2012 (EST)


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