Talk:Music (SSBB)/Archive 1

How To Arrange
As someone already said we should update the article acording to the Sound Test Songs... the 258 Songs, and set them in tables... as a reference I use the Music Guide by BlackIce27 found at Gamefaqs.com.

Music Guide by BlackIce27 --- Kaz (Talk • Contributions ) 20:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Example
Yeesh, I'm not sure we should be having a fifth column, let alone one where all that's in there is a video link; makes the whole table look pretty scrunched up. If a video link is necessary and proper for the tables, I'd say make it in the title column, as either "The Title Itself" or "The Title ", or maybe put it in the Usage section. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 02:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I like it, its a great idea, changing the tables right away - Kaz (Talk • Contributions ) 03:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe this is better...? Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 02:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The tables are a good idea, but it still needs a lot of work!

Deleted Material
There were music from Animal Crossing, Wario Ware, Pikmin, and misc. that were deleted. However, there were too many edits so I was unable to locate which edit removed it. I don't see any discussion or consensus regarding the removal, so I re-added them. Leave a message or respond if I've made an error. --Misken67 23:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah sorry abaout that. All the elimination was part of the remodelation, so now the idea is to get all those 258 songs into tables with detached information. BTW, the Misc songs are part of the "Nintendo" section- KazMx "Blue Wolf" (Talk • Contributions ) 04:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Other Removed Songs
I'm pretty sure that Follow Me from sonic Adventure 2 was going to be in. why isnt it in the removed song section? Pokemoneinstein 15:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

(EDIT) WHERE IS IT?
THIS SONG IS NOT LISTED ON THE PAGE AND I AM DESPERATE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO OBTAIN IT! 

Ok, First as I say to almost everyone who doesn't do this. SIGN YOUR COMMENTS! Lastly, the song is collected randomly, so good luck!--King Dedede Kirby 02:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC) And actually, the title's a bit different in the actual Brawl game than what it was on DOJO. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 02:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I figured it out. So, all of the songs on this page without the description and usage are obtained through CDs during brawl matches. And the songs that are not part of the series involved are listed under Nintendo. I get it now. 

Some other stuff to add?
Should we toss in things that aren't SFX but are still music not in the Sound Test? Like the alternate version of Obstacle Course? Thanos6 07:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, I remember seeing on one of the GameFAQs that some songs, like all the Microgames and K.K. Slider's songs were still not in the sound test. - Gargomon251 07:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, but I definitely think it should be in a different section away from the main music lists, like in between the SONIC THE HEDGEHOG and Removed Songs sections. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 06:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

For Final Fantasy fans
I know that FF characters and that Crystal Stars deleted song was not for copyright/legal issues since Square Enix collabed w/ Nintendo for the DS's Mario Hoops 3-on-3. (Cloud was amongst the playable characters, and Enix hasn't sued for the Mario Finale final smash.) (Enzeru 15:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC))

Character Roll Call
What is this minigame? - Gargomon251 23:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's where you shoot all the characters, items, assist trophies, and trophies for coins at the end of Classic and All-Star. There's a full DOJO update about it, and I really think Character Roll Call deserves an article. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 00:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh! I didn't know there was a name for it, I just called it the "other credits".
 * Indeed, if there's enough details on the rewards etc, it would be great to have an article. - Gargomon251 01:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe it is the shooting game you play once classic mode is beaten in all three SSBs. That may be the official name for it too. Carbonkirby 03:29, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Help request
I have taken this page to be my project, but there are a few things I could use some help with. Specifically, there are many holes in the data under the Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Nintendo sections. Also, if anyone wanted to put in the section detailed here, it would be very appreciated. Thanks! Miles.oppenheimer (talk) 17:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Factual correction -- Brinstar Themes (Brawl)
The narrator for the Brinstar theme in fact says: "Samus is under fire. She's sent an emergency directive. Join the fight!"

--216.221.208.43 01:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Theme Confusion
When playing on the final stage in Sonic R, the music is "Diamond in the Sky." When playing as Super Sonic, however, the music is "Super Sonic Racing." Super Sonic Racing is also the Sonic R main theme. Somebody fix this!20:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Original Use?
Wasn't there a colom? Also, what happened to the organized Notes section?Nintendofan146 (talk) 19:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Ugh
this thing is WAY too long, is there a way to make this shorter? JtM =^&#93; (talk) 07:22, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not too long to actually need shortening in my opinion. I believe it's meant to be the most practically thorough reference for the game's music on the Internet... And I can't really think of any way to make it shorter. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 07:30, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How can you not think this is too long?! its on the longest pages list! JtM =^&#93; (talk) 19:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * By that I meant that *yes* it's a very long page, but unlike other long pages I think it makes practical use of it. List of SSBB trophies, in contrast, is a page I seriously believe should be changed to more of a mere text listing of all the trophies and their unlock requirements, with all of the trophies' full sections with their trophy texts and images moved to appropriate pages about characters and objects like Super Scope. The individual music sections in this page don't look like they can be as easily and safely moved to other pages that'd instantly make sense for them like the individual trophy sections in that page can... Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 19:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Star Wolf, Great Sea, Dragon Roost Island, Pokemon Center
Should it be mentioned that these songs play in the cutscenes leading to and when you face Wolf, Toon Link, and Jigglypuff in the Subspace Emissary?75.142.60.87 18:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point. I'll add these... 5280s (talk · contributions) 19:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to also add the songs for the fights to unlock characters when you do so OUTSIDE of the SSE. Can someone confirm this list I compiled off of YouTube to be accurate?


 * Luigi: Luigi's Mansion Theme
 * Captain Falcon: Mute City
 * Ganondorf: Hidden Mountain & Forest (even though the fight is on Final Destination)
 * Toon Link: Dragon Roost Island
 * Ness: Mother (Melee)
 * Falco: Area 6
 * Wolf: Star Wolf
 * Lucario: Team Galactic Battle!
 * Jigglypuff: Pokémon Center
 * Mr. Game & Watch: Flat Zone 2
 * Marth: Fire Emblem (Melee)
 * R.O.B.: Mario Bros.
 * Snake: Encounter
 * Sonic: Sonic Heroes

Anyone? 5280s (talk · contributions) 20:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Is there anyway I can upload songs onto here?
I have some Smash Bros. Songs saved on my computer and I wanted to know if I could upload them. If its too long, or to much work, I'll put up a link so other people can download/post the songs. http://zeldapower.com/index.php/downloads/music_&_soundtracks/super_smash_bros._brawl_soundtrack.php -Twilightwizard0309
 * Only .ogg music files could be uploaded, but for most people the YouTube links are sufficient; also, numerous sites exist online for YouTube ripping, so that's not really needed. Miles ( talk)   02:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

"Audi Famam!"
Hi, I just joined to change the translation of "audi famam" from "I have heard the story" to "Hear the story (imperative)". I am aware that this is at odds with the English translation given in the game. It might be appropriate to say what the game's translations of the words is but I felt that leaving an incorrect Latin translation was sloppy.

I have just recently graduated from Oxford studying Classics and I emailed my tutor to double check about this and he said that the perfect tense first person singular of "audio" is definitely "audivi", so "audi" can only be the imperative. Whilst it is true that some later inscriptions occasionally show a contraction of "audivi" to "audi", it is an inconsistent translation with the rest of the Classical Latin in these lyrics. I see no reason to presume that the Latin is in error when the translation of "Hear the story!" fits perfectly well with the song.

I should be interested to know if the original Japanese translation gives "Hear!" or "I have heard". Does anyone read Japanese?


 * That's actually noted on Super Smash Bros. Brawl Main Theme, so you may want to change it back here. Also, please sign using 4 tildes in a row. --Sky (t · c · w) 14:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, how about we use the English translation given at the end of the Subspace Emissary? All one would have to do would be to beat Tabuu while holding a pencil and paper. -MLaRF 15:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * What is written in Super Smash Bros. Brawl Main Theme is much better. As I said "it might be appropriate to say what the game's translations of the words is" rather than simply saying "audi famam" means I have heard legends of that person - which is untrue. The confusion of the form "Audi" with "Audivi" seems to be a mistake on behalf of whoever made the translation for the game. JUG (talk) 21:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I've just read a little bit of the policy rules on reversion. I hope I'm not in violation of these. I have edited the entry again but I've tried to achieve a mid-way ground by saying the lyrics are translated in the end credits as... You probably get a lot of facetious people on this board who want to try and show off their Latin - I hope I don't come across as one of them. It just gets under my skin a little when I see the words "which means" implying a factive statement which isn't true.

Is my latest edit a fair compromise? JUG (talk) 22:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite fair. Keep up the good work, JUG.  Miles ( talk)   22:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Dedede's theme
This page says that Dedede's theme bears most resemblance to the Dream Land 3 version; after a comparison, I found that they're not that similar (It sounds more like the version from Kirby's Dream Land or Nightmare in Dream Land to me...). Could somebody please clear this up for me? 04:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

His World
Anyone notice that the His World theme (which is FROM the E3 2006 theme on the Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) soundtrack) has the first part cut out? ShinyRayquaza (talk) 00:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Removed Songs
Some of the links there lead to removed videos. - It's-a me, BrawlFan181!:D


 * I would suggest CloakBass's videos. He has 18 unused music vids, but, there are sound effects. 62.235.138.246

Go K.K. Rider!
Not having edited on Wikia a lot, and being unsure of the rules here as to conjecture and things not known for sure, I figured I'd make note here in the discussion of a change I wanted to suggest, and let people with more experience decide whether to add it or not. The Smashville song "Go K.K. Rider!" specifically. Its title, its musical style/genre, and Masahiro Sakurai's quote at the bottom of this page ("Heroes always arrive late") make it clear, in my mind at least, that the track is a reference to the Japanese superhero/tokusatsu franchise Kamen Rider. Specifically, the song itself is likely an homage to the theme song of the first season of the franchise. Obviously this is something Sakurai will probably never "confirm", but if you all believe I've put forth enough proof, I'd appreciate it if a note about it could be added to the K.K. Rider line in the article. Arrowned (talk) 10:42, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... Seems possible that could have been the source.  I see no problem with adding that in a shortened form to the description.  Miles ( talk)   18:28, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Twoson Claim
A girl in Youtube claims to have found a remix of the Twoson theme from EB. I don't know wether or not to believe if it's true or not... Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1HEmAxePWM --Pokeflora (talk) 04:01, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that's false -- Brawl hackers have found pretty much all there is to found, and I've never heard this report before. Nevertheless, nice remix.  :D  Miles ( talk)   04:21, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just wanted to make sure. BTW, I just found out that this was from the old Mother 1+2 Soundtrack. --Pokeflora (talk) 21:48, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

2:00 a.m.
I noticed something wrong with the description about this song in Animal Crossing.

It claims that the version of the song was used in the original Animal Crossing, but it was actually first used in Animal Crossing: Wild World. The song that plays at 2AM in Animal Crossing for the Gamecube and N64 is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoMqA87a7KY 71.142.223.115 05:30, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Use of the Word "Techno"
I really don't know why so many of the song descriptions describe the songs as "Techno Remixes". It's completely innaccurate.
 * List the songs then and I'll tell you why. Sign your comments with ~ .-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 14:54, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree though, if you're just using 'Techno' as a blanketing term for things with sequenced drums and synth sounds, why not use 'Electronic' instead? Techno is something specific, while Electronic can be used to cover far more ground.Maxo (talk) 11:09, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

Composer Credits?
I know this information isn't listed firsthand in the game itself, but probably 95% of the tracks in this game have known and confirmed composer credits. It would be much more accurate to list those instead of the developer (GAME FREAK co., Nintendo, etc.). None of the links provided at the bottom provide this either. Any way we can change this? Maxo (talk) 11:12, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
 * It is in the game, actually.
 * Load the game. Bring your laptop.  Edit.  Profit?  Miles ( talk)   17:19, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
 * I mean.. I know that the game lists the developers as composers, but what I was saying is that at least 95% of those listings could be much more accurate, since the specific composers for most of the tracks in the game are known. Maxo (talk) 02:16, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
 * If you complain about something, you yourself should be willing to fix it. The community will decide if it was a good edit or not, because to me, this is good. The problem is, I don't know the name of composers and I'm not willing enough to search the song and find the composer.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 02:21, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
 * I was actually offering to fix it up! I'm a total nerd when it comes to this kind of stuff, so I'd be more than happy to do it!  I was just making sure it was okay to do so since the information in question wasn't provided in the game itself. Maxo (talk) 02:26, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

Music links
Since the user whose videos I has used when I added all those YouTube links had his account shut down, is there a different user who has the Brawl soundtrack uploaded? Miles ( talk)  13:28, 22 December 2010 (EST)


 * There might be a singular site on the internet that has devoted itself to recording all of the songs in SSBB. Does anyone know of something like that? 96.231.135.103 08:35, 29 December 2010 (EST)
 * Keep in mind, the goal (at least from my perspective) is more of a "listen to song X" than a "download the Brawl soundtrack here". Miles ( talk)   10:12, 29 December 2010 (EST)
 * Playlist contains 200 songs, as long as you continue to press "load more" if you are unfamiliar with Youtube. Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 10:38, 29 December 2010 (EST)

DeoxysPrime had his YouTube account taken down, and his videos were a great place to have forum-like discussions about individual songs. They were also the highest-quality and most well put together videos of their type at that time. As it stands, every single one of the links on this page in the tables is effectively broken. :( Dogman15 (talk) 00:25, 5 January 2011 (EST)

Mariocenter took all his melee remix music "videos" from brawl down. 173.170.246.98 20:59, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

Speaking of that section
Since because the user on youtube who posted some of the songs and some links were posted here of those songs but since they no longer available (because he closed down his account), can we replace them. ..... HD H 21:51, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Thats what I've been asking but Dewie will apparently get ogg files for all the songs to replace the links at some point, so no. If he ends up not doing that, yes we should. I highly recommend DrunkDedede if that becomes the case. Blin dcol ours ZoOm! 21:55, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * OK, have you guys read the section? It says that the files were empty, and all that could be seen of them was the name of the files. Those youtube videos were what a few Youtube users felt the songs would have been, so they never should have been included in the first place. Mr. Anon (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * That's not what we're talking about, right? Blin dcol ours ZoOm! 22:08, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * I thought PSIWolf was talking about the unused song section that we had been editing just now? Mr. Anon (talk) 22:11, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * I don't think so...we're discussing the links to now-removed videos.... Blin dcol ours ZoOm! 22:12, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Who's Dewie? ..... HD PikachuHeadSSBB.png H 22:20, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Mtndewholic formerly Oxico. Hes a user here duh. Blin <font color="#00FFFF">dcol <font color="#00FF00">ours ZoOm! 22:22, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Hold on. All the links are supposed to go to SilvaGunner (AKA GilvaSunner)'s video's of the songs. Mr. Anon (talk) 22:25, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * No they don't. DrunkDedede is better. <font face="Forte"><font color="#FFA500">Blin <font color="#00FFFF">dcol <font color="#00FF00">ours ZoOm! 22:27, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Er, how so? The links currently go to SilvaGunner's video's. Mr. Anon (talk) 14:03, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
 * You can change them. DrunkDedede has all of them in high quality. <font face="Forte"><font color="#FFA500">Blin <font color="#00FFFF">dcol <font color="#00FF00">ours ZoOm! 17:52, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Um, so do SilvaGunner's. Mr. Anon (talk) 20:10, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

@Miles and BC
Smiles & Tears is still the name of Earthbound's 8 Melodies. See http://earthbound.wikia.com/wiki/Eight_Melodies. I was noting this in the section. Mr. Anon (talk) 22:27, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Wikibound exists you know... <font face="Forte"><font color="#FFA500">Blin <font color="#00FFFF">dcol <font color="#00FF00">ours ZoOm! 22:28, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
 * That's irrelevant. Smiddle君怒る? 11:50, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
 * First, there's WikiBound. We're way better than EBWikia.
 * Second, the Mother 2 soundtrack released in Japan clearly names the origin tracks of some of its audio, and the first part of track 17, a medley named "Theme of Magicant", is identified as "Eight Melodies (From the Bottom of Memories)". Note that that soundtrack is the only legitimate source of song names from M2/EB; all other song names in the game were invented by the fanbase. 1 2 3 are relevant links. Miles ( talk)   12:42, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
 * OK then. Mr. Anon (talk) 14:00, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

The removed songs
So, was this a song that can be listened to and found in the code of Brawl or is it just someone's interpretation? --RoyboyX (talk) 12:13, 31 August 2011 (EDT)
 * There are many videos along these lines; however, the file "MORINOKINOKO" on Brawl's disc is empty. This is just an interpretation of what they think it might have been. Miles ( talk)   13:31, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

Winning Road (Roy's Hope)
Didn't a song from Rekka no Ken have some notes from this? A theme that played when you only had a few bandits left to kill. -- Roy boy  X   Talk  21:58, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Well, when I get round to making SSBB Music (Fire Emblem series), it'll be more notable there. Toast  Ultimatum  Transparent Swadloon.png Complaints Box  04:56, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

Unused Brawl Theme Song
If one listens to this trailer, they would hear a song that is not used at all in the game itself. Would this be part of the removed music, or does it not belong because it was made for a trailer? Mega Tron1  XD   20:34, 27 December 2011 (EST)
 * I think it should go in our trailers article, as there is no indication that the music in the trailer was intended to be ingame. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:21, 27 December 2011 (EST)

new section
there's a section for sound test songs, one for deleted songs, but there isn't one for songs that exist ingame but aren't in the sound test (winter obstacle course, K.K.'s songs). Should one be included? Pokémon ultimate   The Hero of WINds 18:29, 5 January 2012 (EST)
 * There is mention of the K.K. Slider songs in the Animal Crossing section. Rather than a new section, they could just link like this;


 * Winter Obstacle Course


 * K.K. Slider songs


 * Likewise, if there's any more examples, links could be added in the same manner. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 08:28, 6 January 2012 (EST)

Proposition
Since each music series in Brawl has their own article, with the exception of Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Super Smash Bros., I propose that this article serves as the "hub" for the music series in Brawl and will link to each music series article. This would work similar to List of trophies as each series would get their own box and a link to their respective article. Doing this could help out with any clutter that is on the current article, and it also seems redundant to have an article that lists all the songs when there are separate articles of the series' songs with even more information. The only problem with this; however, is that it would be inconsistent with Music (SSB) and Music (SSBM). <font color="#FF0000">Unknown <font color="#780000">the  <font color="#000000">Hedgehog  22:13, 22 January 2012 (EST)
 * This proposition could work for a few reasons. This page has a huge bytecount, features incorrect links to Melee Stage articles (e.g. Lylat System: Corneria), and uses the word song inappropriately. However, there are also a few issues. Like you said, the inconsistency is a problem, and there's other matters as well, like how in its current form, Music (SSBB) was once a featured article. Overall, I would Support, but these issues must be brought up. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 06:19, 23 January 2012 (EST)
 * I agree that these issues will need to be brought up; however, as of now I have no solution. <font color="#FF0000">Unknown <font color="#780000">the  <font color="#000000">Hedgehog  18:19, 23 January 2012 (EST)

KK Slider songs
The videos for the K.K. Slider songs (DJ KK, KK Western, etc.) got deleted. I know of some replacement videos by some guy named GilvaSunner, but I don't know how to fix the links to lead to those videos, so... Accoolx (talk) 17:38, 2 March 2012 (EST)
 * Forget it, I just did it myself.  Accool  X   AC.png 14:11, 4 March 2012 (EST)