Talk:Hero (SSBU)

Isn’t he just called “Hero”?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but even though the splash said “The Hero”, the name below his portrait simply read “Hero” when it was showcasing his Mana system. Lou Cena (talk) 13:11, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * Can confirm - rewatching the trailer (via Ninkendo's reaction), and it does, in fact, say "Hero". Aidan,  the Rurouni  13:22, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * Thank you Aidan. Here’s the link; the exact time frame is at 2:20. Lou Cena (talk) 13:24, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

Really?
I watch the trailer to get all the info out onto the page and you guys up and made a new, blank page without even keeping the bullet points? Are you actually kidding me right now? Enigma (talk) 14:24, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * It’s because we mistakenly called him “The Hero” when the “The” was just for the trailer. Just add the info in. It won’t hurt. Lou Cena (talk) 14:26, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * I can't. I didn't think to paste it on notepad because I assumed the page wouldn't be changed this dramatically. Now I have to go back and redo this from scratch. Enigma (talk) 14:28, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * Woah calm down. lost version here  Serpent King  14:30, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * Oh thank goodness. Thanks. That saves me a lot of trouble. Enigma (talk) 14:32, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

Incorrect Logo
That's not the DQ logo for Smash, if you look on this page on the official site, its entirely different.
 * Either someone possibly assumed what the symbol was going to be, or using it as placeholder. &#32;Wolff (talk) 14:29, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * The symbol put in place is a placeholder - we previously used it for the Dragon Quest NIWA wiki. It will be uploaded over. Aidan,  the Rurouni  14:36, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

Name is "Eleven", not Irebun
Irebun is an incorrect romanization of the word "eleven", which isn't actually his name in either case, but if it's going to be used better Eleven than Irebun (which as far as I can tell was just made up by someone who misread the kana and is not from an official source). 71.69.105.55Me
 * Hello there, this topic is currently being discussed here. &#32;Wolff (talk) 22:47, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

His name is Eleven it’s what’s used in the marketing. Irebun is from nowhere it’s a romanized Japanese pronunciation of Eleven Paulie25 (talk) 23:43, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * This topic is currently being discussed here. &#32;Wolff (talk) 23:51, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

Is his name Eleven or Luminary?
I'm seeing a mix of both of those names on the articles. Which one is it? Cherrim 98  Talk   22:33, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * Hello there, this topic is currently being discussed here. &#32;Wolff (talk) 22:47, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

His name is Eleven it’s what’s used in the marketing. Irebun is from nowhere it’s a romanized Japanese pronunciation of Eleve Paulie25 (talk) 23:43, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

Luminary is a title that is given to him Paulie25 (talk) 23:44, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * This topic is currently being discussed here. &#32;Wolff (talk) 23:51, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

What's his stage called?
I noticed that there's no name for the Hero's stage. Being unfamiliar with Dragon Quest, I'm trying to figure this out. Does anyone know the name of his stage? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RyuHacco (talk • contribs) 08:52, June 12, 2019
 * We'll have to wait until Hero is fully released to know, unless of course Sakurai reveals it beforehand. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  09:03, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Can't find an exact match, but Havens Above looks pretty similar. 181.165.132.68 12:56, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * According to this tweet, the stage is called "Altar of the Skies" . Is there a location in DQXI with a similar name?--190.166.144.194 13:25, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Found it! Apparently it's called "Yggdrasil's Altar". Image 1 Image 2. The first map has those same kanji, while the second map is the first image, but in the English version. And for hard confirmation, here's a let's play of that part of the game! 181.165.132.68 14:42, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Is it called that in Smash though? If not, then don't add it. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  15:05, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * I mean, if we're being technical, we don't have any confirmation that Spiral Mountain is gonna be called that in Smash either, but what else is it gonna be called? Is the need for confirmation for this one but not that one just because "Yggdrasil" is kind of a tough word? I'm actually curious to know. 181.165.132.68 13:03, June 13, 2019 (EDT)

Welp, Yggdrasil's Altar sounds funky. Again I have never played a Dragon Quest game so it just... sounds funky.

Should we use plural pronouns?
Since Hero is technically multiple people all using a generic title, should we use “they”, or should we use “he” since they’re all male anyways? Lou Cena (talk) 13:03, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Even with characters that have different alts (regardless of it being character- or gender-changing), we default to the first - Olimar instead of Alph, Popo and Nana instead of the other way around, Bowser Jr. instead of any of the Koopalings, etc.. This is no different. Aidan,  the Rurouni  14:54, June 12, 2019 (EDT)

If “Erdrick” refers to the title of the DQ3 hero and not his actual name, why don’t we call the DQ11 hero “Luminary?”
Um you got to give more specifics than the title. Cookies Creme  12:27, June 13, 2019 (EDT)

All of the protagonists are classified under the generic name “Hero,” and the Dragon Quest Wiki acknowledges the DQ11 Hero as the Luminary. Since there aren’t any other heroes in the DQ series going under the title of “Luminary,” we know for sure that the one and only thing that fulfills both requirements of a protagonist in the series and the distinct title of Luminary goes to the DQ11 protagonist. It also helps that the promotional material for the Switch version refers to the Hero as the Luminary. ——DatAlphaLion

"Presumably"
>It is unknown how damage will be affected, but it is presumably nullified as well. >It is presumably chargeable.

A lot of the information on this page seems very speculative. Should the page really have baseless presumptions with no basis? 65.128.165.216
 * There are a lot of cases where "presumably" is being used, but a lot of it has the intended meaning of "based on the animation of the move, this is the standard attack that the move is likely associated with." As for the other "presumably" cases:
 * Kaswoosh matches the same naming scheme as Kafrizzle, which is shown to be chargeable.
 * Kaclang shows the same bubble effect that shows up when you hit an invincible character, so it's safe to assume that you take no damage while in that form.
 * The Final Smash has no name, but the animation of the move most closely resembles that of Gigaslash.
 * None of this is baseless, as you have so kindly put it to be. Aidan,  the Rurouni  15:31, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Hero confirmed a July release by Nintendo
As expected by some; Hero will 100% be coming by the end of July. This was pretty much confirmed by Nintendo on YouTube in a video focused on releases in July, and one of them was Hero. No exact date was given still; but it is expected to be either the 18th or the 25th in America. (19th and 26th to other regions such as Japan and Europe.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.147.80 (talk • contribs) 16:17, July 16th, 2019 (EDT)
 * First off, new sections go at the bottom. Secondly, sign your comments with ~ . Thirdly, we'll report on Hero's release date when we have an official source expressing such; the wiki is no place for speculation. Aidan,  the Rurouni  18:46, July 16, 2019 (EDT)
 * First of all. The video's title specifically stated July releases at first, so don't give me this "speculation" crap. Second of all; thanks for making it clear that new things go on the top, i clearly read the goddamn notice on this page. Nice to see how kind this wiki is to new users. 86.183.147.80 14:30, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Tone down the attitude, please. In your own words, "pretty much confirmed" isn't concrete. We'll add the date when we get the date. Don't get antsy. ~ Serena Strawberry  (talk) 14:49, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * In my defense, I hadn't seen the video before making this post, so my apologies. However, me giving you a simple "hey, this is how you're supposed to do things" isn't not treating you kindly. Aidan,  the Rurouni  16:06, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

Hero release date
Hero is releasing today so should it be included in wiki news?  Supa  Toad 64   09:44, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * Elaborate, please? Not exactly sure what you mean. Carson the door, 11:02, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * Nevermind. It's already in the news.  Supa  Toad 64  20px   05:46, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

Official names
In the showcase, they told us the names that we should use to refer to each of the fighters. I know this was a big topic early on, but we couldn't possibly have gotten a more official and direct reveal. They are Eleven (11), Arusu (3), Solo (4), and Eight (8). Luigi86101 (talk) 15:24, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * Sakurai in no way said they were official. His wording was very much so "you can use these names if you want to". Aidan,  the Rurouni  15:28, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * Then why still use Luminary and Erdrick? Why not stick to Eleven, Four and Three? Especially when Luminary and Erdrick are titles and not names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.201.94.1 (talk • contribs) 09:47, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * I agree. The names should be Eleven, Arusu, Solo, and Eight. There are way more reasons to make those the names than anything else. First of all, those are literally the names that Sakurai told people during an official presentation that they could call them. Those are obviously the names that he and Square Enix want to get known as their official names. And those are obviously the names that he wants people to call them. Also, the title of "Luminary" is literally just an alternate western translation of "Hero." He's not known as the Luminary in Japan, he's known as the Hero, just like all the other protagonists. So, if this was a Japanese wiki, it would be like calling them all their names but calling the DQ11 one "Hero" as if it's his name. When the title of Hero/Luminary is something they all have. Which is why they are all called that in the character select screen. Similarly, "Erdrick" is just a title that the DQ3 Hero earns. His name is Arusu, as Sakurai stated. --73.71.161.160 16:08, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * For one, Sakurai never said those were official names; his wording was very clearly "you can use these names if you like". They were to be taken as a suggestion, and nothing more - furthermore, the video even said "Character names from Japanese games", so I doubt that they were meant to be taken into usage by worldwide fans.
 * For two, more people know the name "Erdrick" and "Luminary" than "Arusu" and "Eleven". Even Japanese fans call him "Loto" instead of "Arusu", and even Sakurai introduces the Hero from III as "the Hero Erdrick". (He says it in Japanese as well.)
 * I fail to see how there are "way more reasons" to use names that people aren't familiar with. Aidan,  the Rurouni  16:19, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * Why not stick with Three, Four, Eight and Eleven then? They are more official and recognized. They're more "neutral" and general.
 * I never said that Sakurai said those were the official names. I said that those are the names that Sakurai told people during an official presentation that they should call the Heroes. And that it's obvious that those are the names that he wants us to use. Or else he wouldn't have suggested we use them. So we should use them. I can see an argument for keeping Arusu's name as "Erdrick" since that's a title that most people refer to him as rather than his real name. As for Eleven being titled "Luminary," are you just going to completely ignore what I said about it literally just being interchangeable with "Hero"? Luminary is not his name and it is not a title like "Erdrick." It's what they decided to translate "Hero" as for DQ11 in the west for some reason instead of keeping it as "Hero" like all the previous games. And in Smash, they decided to just call them all "Hero" instead of "Luminary" to be consistent with previous titles since multiple Heroes are playable and to be consistent languague-wise.       .....and if you're going to fix his name from Luminary to Eleven, you might as well change Arusu's name from Erdrick to Arusu for consistency's sake. Because why only call one of them by a title rather than a name? --73.71.161.160 20:27, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * It is a matter of consistency. Else it looks like you're giving preference for one name over the other. Methinks it's because one has been used in other pages.

This has been discussed to death Thegameandwatch (talk) 21:43, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

Let’s just finish discussing this topic Thegameandwatch (talk) 21:44, July 31, 2019 (EDT)


 * Yes, let's finish discussing it. Can I get a response to my last comment, @Aidanzapunk? --73.71.161.160 23:48, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

This has been discussed to death stop asking  Thegameandwatch (talk) 17:32, August 8, 2019 (EDT)


 * It's been discussed to death because it's something that should be changed. I don't imagine it will stop being discussed until it is changed. You can't just ignore these discussions and arguments until they go away by saying it's already been discussed. Even other wikis, such as this one, have it labeled and worded correctly, so this is obviously something to do with the mods on this wiki either being too stubborn to change it or not actually having knowledge on Dragon Quest/being misinformed about it. The name of the DQ11 Hero is "Eleven" because that is his default name. And he is also broadly known by the title of "Luminary" because that is what the English localization team at Square Enix decided to translate "Hero" to in the West this time around unlike the previous games. He's still obviously known as the "Hero" in Japan instead of the "Luminary." The name of the DQ3 Hero is "Arusu" because that is what he is referred to in the opening of the DQ3 remake. And he is also broadly known by the title of "Erdrick" because that is the title he is given at the end of DQ3. The name of the DQ4 Hero is "Solo" and the name of the DQ8 Hero is "Eight" because those are their default names. The same as Eleven. So why is Eleven mainly referred to as the Luminary? Eleven should be called Eleven for the same reasons Solo and Eight are called Solo and Eight. It should say something like "Eleven, also referred to as the Luminary." And for Arusu, it should say something like "Arusu, also known by the title of Erdrick" or maybe just "Arusu, also known as Erdrick." The name "Arusu" is literally taken from the opening of the DQ3 remake after all. It's like no amount of proof and evidence would ever convince you guys. What more do you want? For it to literally come out of Sakurai's mouth and for it to literally be in the games? Oh wait.... --73.71.161.160 18:19, August 8, 2019 (EDT)
 * We are different from other wikis, as other wikis do not cover the community aspect of their franchise as much as we do. Competitive Smash and the fans that have come out of both the competitive and casual side are an important part of the history of the franchise as a whole. As a result, we take into consideration how the fans know a term, and, should it be more popular than an official term, then we take priority over that rather than the official term.
 * In this regard, literally no one that I know (personally) who either knows what Dragon Quest is or is a fan of Dragon Quest calls III's Hero "Arusu". Eleven's a mixed bag, because he's called both (Japanese fans call heroes by their number to differentiate them, but he is called "Luminary" over here), but Arusu is such an obscure name (wasn't it only used in the drama CD? I don't know) that no one calls him by it. I don't know why Sakurai used it, but that may be related to the fact that Erdrick is a title, rather than a name, but Erdrick is still given to the player at the end of DQIII. And remakes can change anything they want to, so I don't see why you keep citing it.
 * Solo and Eight are called that because Solo matches the fan name, the official name, and the one given by Sakurai; Eight does as well, though "Eight" isn't as official since it's the same as fans calling each hero by number rather than a name.
 * Also, none of the Heroes are named in Smash. Not in the tips, not by Fighter Spirits, not by anything. Aidan,  the Rurouni  18:37, August 8, 2019 (EDT)
 * I want to add to Aidan's statement that this consensus came before the video and is based upon the largely agreed-upon opinions of Dragon Quest fans; you clearly missed a lengthy discussion on the subject. A sarcastic tone isn't going to help in arguing your case, because we've had this discussion a thousand times over and you aren't really contributing anything new. ~ Serena Strawberry  (talk) 18:44, August 8, 2019 (EDT)

Edit what happens when Hero hits a ceiling when using Zoom
Whenever Hero hits his head, he falls and crashes. However, the page says it's unknown and it's protected. Could someone who can edit the page edis the description of Zoom? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PopplioPal (talk • contribs) 01:09, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

Nobuyuki Hiyama was the voice actor for SSB/M Link
Nobuyuki Hiyama (The actor for Erdrick/Arusu,) was the same person who voiced Link in SSB64 and SSBM. May want to add this. Carson the door 10:43, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * "Erdrick's voice actor, Nobuyuki Hiyama, had also notably voiced Adult Link in Ocarina of Time, Smash 64, and Melee. Of the four Heroes, his recording session was completed the fastest due to his extensive experience. Sakurai also notes that his performance can be recognized as Guy Shishioh from The King of Braves GaoGaiGar."
 * Already on there. Look in the trivia. Aidan,  the Rurouni  11:18, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * Alright, got it. Would maybe be a good idea to add it to the beginning, your call though.
 * Also, whoever quoted the trivia section, sign your comment. Carson the door  11:29, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * It was within the same comment, coming from me, and I already signed my comment. Aidan,  the Rurouni  11:30, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * Noticed it right before you commented that, whoops! Carson the door  11:33, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

Whack and Thwack switched
The page states that Whack is a sword slice while Thwack is a projectile. It's actually the other way around. CiciPop (talk) 19:00, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

Already fixed it. NuFace (talk) 19:14, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

The lightest heavyweight fighter
If 101 counts as heavyweight, since Cloud and Mii Swordfighter each fall short at just 100, then he beats Mega Man as the new lightest heavyweight fighter (add that to the trivia). --NinTylo (talk) 00:42, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Fifth Alternate Costume
I know the trivia section is already excessively long, but I noticed that his fifth costume resembles Angelo from Dragon Quest VIII. Could we fit that in there as well? D-Rock2048 (talk) 22:39, August 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * It's noted on this page. ~ Serena Strawberry  (talk) 22:44, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Kamikazee
Why did Mexi add a note that Kamikazee makes Hero win if he takes the opponent's last stock? There's no source for the claim. I just tested it and found it to be false. This is going to harm someone. Can anybody with editing permission on the page remove it? Designless Square (talk) 05:16, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

Fighter Ability Trivia
In the trivia section, it states that Hero's MP Gauge is the only fighter ability that Kirby can fully utilize, whereas other fighter abilities such as Robin's durability work differently with Kirby (when Thunder's durability is depleted, it doesn't regenerate). However, Kirby can also fully utilize Ryu and Ken's fighter ability to input special moves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henrai (talk • contribs) 14:09, August 12, 2019 (EST)
 * Please sign your comments with four tildes .  Supα Toαd 64,  The Best  20px  04:58, August 17, 2019 (EDT)

FS Meter
I've had it occur twice before where, while having FS Meter Turned on, I would like someone to confirm this is indeed possible and then add it to the Hocus Pocus list —Preceding unsigned comment added by Demolition14 (talk • contribs) 19:34, August 13th, 2019 (EST)


 * Please sign your comments with four tildes .  Supα Toαd 64,  The Best  20px  05:03, August 17, 2019 (EDT)

South Australia ban
Currently South Australia is the only region to have banned Hero. It's a very small region (out of their own admission) with, to my knowledge, no notable players are from there at a national, let alone a global level. This decision so far hasn't been taken seriously by the rest of Australia or of the world. I think it should be mentioned but it shouldn't have so much spotlight on the page as it does now, and it should be said that so far it hasn't had much of a following worldwide Rdrfc (talk) 04:14, August 17, 2019 (EDT)


 * Agreed, this seems very weird to have as a large paragraph in the opening summary. Maybe move it to Trivia, or just remove it altogether. --Tinker (talk) 11:05, August 17, 2019 (EDT)

Erdrick or Arusu?
I just noticed that the DQ3 skin is refered everywhere on the wiki as "Erdrick". I can understand the Hero default skin to be refered as Luminary rather than Eleven, but, as Erdrick is a title that isn't unique to Arusu in the DQ series, wouldn't it be better to use his actual name for his skin rather than his title? Plus, the word Erdrick itself is already used in the game for the Mii Swordfighter DQ2 costume. YoshiRyu (talk) 18:53, February 18, 2020 (EST)
 * Extremely long story short, we went with "Erdrick" because that's the most widely-known moniker for the DQIII Hero, and we'd decided on our names based on input from the Dragon Quest community before Sakurai's video came out. Arusu was essentially unknown to overseas audiences before Sakurai broke it out for the presentation (it mostly pops up in Japan-only promo material like DQIIIs radio drama adaptation), and by then we'd already locked ours in. It's preferable for us to go with the term that's more commonly used even if it's not "official"; for another example, see "tech" versus "fall break". (As an aside, the Erdrick Mii Costume is based on the DQIII hero; it's just that other characters have worn the same armor.) ~ Serena Strawberry'  (talk) 19:29, February 18, 2020 (EST)
 * I don't know if it's good enough of a reason to keep it that way now Sakurai introduced him as Arusu. After all, most people consider Jigglypuff to be female, yet the wiki goes with a more official neutral "it". YoshiRyu (talk) 04:58, February 19, 2020 (EST)
 * Using gender neutral pronouns for a character whose gender is unknown isn't really the same thing as using a more widely known moniker. Not to mention that the DQ III hero was for a long time (prior to DQ XI) the only one that was referred with the title of Erdrick/Loto and is therefore still most strongly associated with these names. Even things like the DQ I hero's armor that appears as a Mii Costume in Smash is a regalia that originally belonged to the DQ III hero in lore. --Rdrfc (talk) 05:43, February 19, 2020 (EST)
 * Not that I'm trying to push for that change (I call him Erdrick too afterall) but here is the sameness that I was implying: Arusu = official, Erdrick = popular; It(Jigglypuff) = official, She(Jigglypuff) = popular. YoshiRyu (talk) 05:52, February 19, 2020 (EST)
 * Arusu is not an official name according to Sakurai himself. He said something along the lines of "Arusu is a name commonly given to him by Japanese fans, but you can call him whatever you like" during the presentation. --Rdrfc (talk) 05:57, February 19, 2020 (EST)
 * Arusu is an official name, it's not not simply a fanmade name like you seem to think it is, it's used in official material. Also, don't forget Sakurai's statements are translated. YoshiRyu (talk) 06:28, February 19, 2020 (EST)
 * Allow me to better explain myself. Arusu and Erdrick/Loto are both official names within Dragon Quest, although neither is arguably fully canonical. Within Smash, the Dragon Quest III hero does not have an official name. Sakurai was simply saying that the Heroes do not have an official name in Smash, and therefore we can call them with whatever name we like (unless you can prove that a completely different statement was lost in translation). This wiki chose to use the name Erdrick because it is the one better understood by English speaking fans. --Rdrfc (talk) 07:01, February 19, 2020 (EST)
 * Oh, OK. I thought indeed that you were talking about Arusu not being official in DQ, not especially in Smash. However, I don't think Sakurai said anything more than the fact that the Hero of DQ3 can be named anything you want in DQ3, just like Robin (but it doesn't nullify your point as Robin is officially Robin in Smash too, unlike Arusu). I think you're reading to much in what Sakurai says. YoshiRyu (talk) 07:31, February 19, 2020 (EST)
 * The name Arusu was only really only said in the American direct, all four hero’s names are not said ingame also This wiki doesn’t use the official name of some pages. Thegameandwatch (talk) 07:03, February 19, 2020 (EST)

Fun Fact: DQ8
The voice actor of Eight, Yuji Kaji, married Ayana Taketatsu on June 23, 2019 (12 days after the Smash trailer reveal) who did the voice of Jessica Albert in Dragon Quest Heroes I & II and Dragon Quest VIII (I am guessing is just a new feature for the 3DS version like the DQ11 on Switch) who is a marriage option in the 3DS version of DQ8. DoctaShield (talk) 01:13, March 31, 2022 (EDT)