Forum:Is c-sticking considered cheating?

S U D S, the title is for TITLES, not the whole freakin' conversation. FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 09:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Allright. Is c-sticking considered cheating, or is it tolerable and the thing most players use to pull off quick regular smashes and power air attacks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by S U D S (talk • contribs) 20:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If you believe the C-stick to be cheating, that's a good sign that you may not be as much of a smash expert as you once thought, and would be murdered in a tournament setting. :^) It is not disallowed in competitive rules at any serious tournament as far as I know and this is mainly because when you reach a certain level of play, you understand fully that there is far more difficult techniques than being able to smash with the A button. For instance, good luck doing this without the C-stick.


 * That said, A button smashes are still widely used in certain situations and many players still prefer them, as it offers a little bit of in-game foresight to know when even a split-second charge can make the difference between whether or not you hit your opponent. And even the best players get smoked by a beefy full-charged smash now and again, too. -- RJM Talk 23:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Was that directed at fyre? I don't think and didn't say I was at any point a smash expert. Assuming you're right, no one would have a problem if I started using the c-stick for all attacks previously performed using A? I'm also assuming I'm naive in thinking that the "big boys" that I watch on youtube simply had near-perfect timing and placement with their attacks? Are they any notable players that you have at least heard use the c-stick? Also, I was mainly talking about air attacks ( primarily f-air's and d-air's). I've been killed quite a bit lately by being f-aired while returning and have been curious as to whether or not they c-stick, considering they seemed to be swinging at me faster than I do at them with my air attacks. Going back to what I said in my first sentence, would it be tolerable for me to use the c-stick with Ness's bat, Bowser and Peach's f-air, or any of Falcon's attacks? --SUDS —Preceding unsigned comment added by S U D S (talk • contribs) 16:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No, if it were directed at Fyre, it would've been threaded below her comment and prior to the follow-up question.


 * To follow up, though, the C-stick is very, very widely used by competitive players and I'd be hard pressed to name names because it's far more unusual for a smasher to NOT use the C-stick in most situations. It absolutely applies to aerials as well, and actually opens up a lot of interesting opportunities because it allows you to perform an aerial in one direction while DI'ing in the other. Something that is extremely challenging, nigh impossible, to perform without the C-stick. It's not necessarily a lot faster than an aerial with the A button, but it frees you up a bit to establish better control of your character. It's much easier to short-hop and immediately tap the C-stick to the right for a static f-air, whereas using the A button and a directional influence from the analog will likely propel you forward in the air immediately after leaving the ground. Ness's bat is just a smash and Peach and Bowser have f-airs like everybody else, so it's all fair game. Anything that you can make those characters do with the wide variety of controls offered is more than tolerable. *thumbs up* -- RJM Talk 10:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

No way is the C stick cheating. It actually has distinct differences between it and smashing with the A button. The C stick is one frame slower than using A and cannot be charged. The A, on the other hand, can do more knockback (with the charge) and is easier to repeatedly tap. In short, the C stick is just like using X to jump or Y to grab. It's a different mechanism for control that can be used without any form of bad sportsmanship. Clarinet Hawk (talk) 16:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

HA HA if blatant exploits of the game's physics engine like wavedashing isn't considered cheating then a purposely implemented part of the controller definitely isn't cheating. Knifeblade (talk) 17:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Har de har. l2play. -- RJM Talk 07:22, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've mode this thread to a shortened title; it was annoying me to see such a long title.--Richard 20:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)