User talk:Toomai/Archive 14

First message :P
Please move Rosalina (SSB4) to Rosalina & Luma (SSB4). That's the official name, and a majority of users agree. Thank you. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 19:55, 14 August 2014 (EDT)

Remember our discussion about choice in game design?
L canceling does indeed open up choices. I can indeed verify from experience that you need to time your L cancels differently depending on your spacing.-- Brian Don't try me! 02:10, 15 August 2014 (EDT)
 * An option requiring skill to execute does not mitigate always being the superior option. Compare teching - it's sometimes the right choice to intentionally fail a tech, whereas there is never any benefit to intentionally not L-cancel (at least in Melee; in SSB64 you have to not L-cancel if you want landing hitboxes because it skips instead of reducing, though this by itself doesn't really balance it out). Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Steppin' 11:09, 15 August 2014 (EDT)


 * Here's another article I wrote on the subject of Smash and it's competitive depth. What do you have to say?-- Brian Don't try me!Falco.gif 13:56, 4 September 2014 (EDT)

Roster Leak
So, does that warrant writing into the Leak page, mentioning it in the news section on the home page, etc.?  MarioGalaxy Talk 13:24, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
 * The leak is now 100% confirmed. Get it off the rumours page and onto the leak page. I dunno if leaks should be news'd though. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Free 13:25, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Since you're usually the go-to guy for series icons, are you working on one from the Monado icon in the video? Miles ( talk)  15:00, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
 * I could give it a try, but it's blurry as all get out, so it might be wildly inaccurate. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Boss 15:03, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
 * There's a decent angle on it in the thumbnail to one of the videos, if you think it's enough to work from. It's just a bit easier not to have to work around not having a symbol. Miles ( talk)   15:09, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Looks like a higher-quality version may be in order when you have the time to work on it. Hardly pressing, but worth doing at some point. Miles ( talk)  08:55, 29 August 2014 (EDT)

On the subject of icons, we have a confirmed Tomodachi icon now. Miles ( talk)  03:12, 5 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Noticed, will deal with. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Prismatic 09:40, 5 September 2014 (EDT)

Series symbol requests
Hello! I may be posting in the wrong area (move if needed) but I see you are the one in charge of the series symbol artwork. I'm here to inform you of other symbols seen in the Smash games that have not been done here. First of, the symbol Metal Mario uses in 64. http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n521/WarioBrose/2697E5D6AF732F4D954F8E0A954A4020_zps07d59376.png. Since it's a small image (I ripped it straight from the game), here's the regular Super Mario symbol in the same size to help (also ripped by me) http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n521/WarioBrose/SuperMario_zpsc377e94f.png. Next, is the "?" used when you highlight Random on 64's stage select screen (also ripped by me) http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n521/WarioBrose/F651EDAADB6917900A1596E605451D02_zpsc904cec0.png. And finally, it's worth noting that the EarthBound/Mother symbol changed from Melee to Brawl (left is 64/Melee, right is Brawl) http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n521/WarioBrose/EarthBoundA_zps1cca6430.png http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n521/WarioBrose/EarthBoundB_zps61b16c54.png Do note, unlike the 64 stuff, I didn't rip these but found them online (Spriters-Resourse).

I hope this was informative. And I apologies if I used User Talk incorrectly (still rusty on that part of Wikis). WarioBrose (talk) 17:30, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
 * I am aware of these. Here's why I haven't done anything with them:
 * The method I use to create the symbols cannot handle arbitrary gradients. We probably should have a screenshot of the metallic mushroom symbol, but as a series icon, I don't think the effort would be justified.
 * I don't think the SSB64 random stage icon is important - it's just a generic question mark.
 * It's my opinion that the changes in the EarthBound symbol are not significant enough to warrant the effort needed to create the older version.
 * I'm open to debate on these opinions, but they're why things are how they are as of right now. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Eggster 19:59, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Alright, thank you for the response. All of your points are good and understandable as the symbols I posted don't have significant priority compared to the rest.  I'll just leave this request on hold indefinitely until more people agree with me and want them (which I have doubts this will happen anytime soon).  Again, thank you for responding. WarioBrose (talk) 20:16, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
 * I agree with WarioBrose. Toomai, couldn't you just crop out the black space on those icons? The differences are small (as with the DK logo difference in transition from Melee to Brawl, and you had no problem uploading those), but still important. Also for Metal Mario's image, WarioBrose, if you could get a larger image, it could go on M. Mario's page and the logo page.  Blue  Ninjakoopa  21:36, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Blue Ninjakoopa, I wish I could get a bigger image but that image was dumped directly from the ROM (when Metal Mario is on the battlefield) so none exists (unless you want one made from scratch). Though you I agree with you a good bit on EarthBound. WarioBrose (talk) 22:24, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Awesome. Now Toomai, there's no rush, but at the same time, could you not brush this off? The difference between the Earthbound icons should be shown on the series symbol page.  Blue  Ninjakoopa  16:13, 28 August 2014 (EDT)
 * I am indeed considering it. It's low priority at the moment though. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Producer 18:23, 28 August 2014 (EDT)
 * I don't see why we'd need to painstakingly recreate the Melee Mother icon when we can just rip WarioBrose's image and dump it on the Series symbol page. Is there really a good reason stopping this from happening? Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum  04:43, 1 September 2014 (EDT)

OT and Miles surveys
Was anything ever done about the situation/is anything going to be done in the future? Awesome  Cardinal   2000  19:58, 28 August 2014 (EDT)

Edit war in Palette Swap (SSB4)
Can you determine if the image with Shulk and Captain Falcon shows an alternate color for C. Falcon? A user is edit warring, insisting it's a palette swap. Berrenta (talk) 10:14, 30 August 2014 (EDT)

Liquipedia / loop extension
Hi, I don’t know how you feel about helping with liquipedia smash, but I recently copied your FrameStripEnd template to it, but it still isn’t displayed properly. Apparently because the loop extension could not be installed. Do you know how to do this? Are you interested in becoming an admin at liquipedia so you can add cool stuff there? Someone said there current admin is too busy. Kadano  talk  12:54, 31 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Extensions are a server-side matter; all I know is that someone with server access has to add/edit some files from the MediaWiki source. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Yoshi 13:10, 31 August 2014 (EDT)

Delete my user
I WANT OUT. So delete the user, the user page and discussion, but none of the edits ive made &#91;&#91;User:Harro&#124;&#60;span style&#61;&#34;color: red&#59;&#34;&#62;&#39;&#34;The Super Smasher&#34;&#39;&#60;/span&#62;&#93;&#93;&#91;&#91;User talk:Harro&#124;&#34;&#60;span style&#61;&#34;color: blue&#59;&#34;&#62;talk&#60;/span&#34;&#93;&#93; (talk) 05:55, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
 * It is not possible to delete a user. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Jiggy 10:49, 1 September 2014 (EDT)

Swiss Flag
The reason I changed the image of Switzerland's flag to a much bigger file size was because it was tagged as a low quality image because it "needed better proportions". Seeing as how the flag itself is shaped like a square, I assumed that it meant that the image needed to be bigger. Guess I was wrong. Sorry about that. Nymbare  and his talk  10:40, 7 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Yeah I don't really know why that tag was there in the first place, because the flag was already correctly-proportioned. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Aurum 10:41, 7 September 2014 (EDT)
 * I tagged it because the proportions were slightly larger than other flags (i.e. see here), but if that is how it's supposed to be, then never mind. S c r 7 Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 10:44, 7 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Oh I see; because it's square, it ends up being taller than most other flags when told to assume a width of 20px. Hm. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Xanthic 10:47, 7 September 2014 (EDT)

May you please rename me to PikaSamus?
Since that's my name on Smashboards, I would like to be called that on SmashWiki. (talk) 10:27, 8 September 2014 (EDT)
 * As usual with name changes, remind me in 2-3 days, just to ensure you really mean it. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Resolute 11:36, 8 September 2014 (EDT)
 * I still mean it. (talk) RedSig.png 09:09, 10 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Should I create another account named "Red" so no one takes the name? (talk) PikaSamusSig.png 11:58, 10 September 2014 (EDT)
 * I don't have a problem with this, though I suppose I should go to the sockpuppet policy and bring up the idea in general. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Metroid 12:21, 10 September 2014 (EDT)

Removed Characters (SSB4)
I'm guessing the reason it was made is because we have the exact same type of template for cut veterans from melee, being "Category:Removed_characters_(SSBB)", which hasn't been deleted since 2008, so I'm suggesting we bring back the template. Laikue (talk|contribs) 16:43, 12 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Ugh that needs fixing too. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brass 16:45, 12 September 2014 (EDT)

Range block
Could we get a range block on the "Tommy barnes ___" user? He keeps coming back and spamming the same pages repeatedly. Miles ( talk)  20:40, 13 September 2014 (EDT)
 * None of the IP addresses used are even remotely similar (Romania, Florida*3, Arizona, Quebec*2, Missouri, Kansas, France). A range block isn't possible. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Wacko 22:29, 13 September 2014 (EDT)

Quick Question.
I am running into a small consistency issue with the Special Moves. Some of the pages have the manual desciptions of the moves, and of the pages that do, some of them are displayed as quotes at the top of the page (the method I prefer to use) and some have the descriptions getting their own section in the article itself. Which of these should be used as the standard? I'll be going through a good number of the Special Move pages, so I would like to have them be as consistent as possible. And as for where the Customization sections are placed, I've been trying to keep them higher up in the article, above the non-gameplay related sections. I digress, though. Toymakers Creation (talk) 15:52, 16 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Personally I don't understand why people are so obsessed with having quotes at the top of pages. If it's important to the article, it belongs in the article; if it's not important, it doesn't belong anywhere. Specifically, for instruction manual blurbs, I really don't think they should be page-top quotes because there can be more than one, which just inflates the page header and looks silly. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Sphere 17:00, 16 September 2014 (EDT)
 * It's a wiki thing. Lots of wikis put quotes from whatever work that describes the topic of the article, and for Smash the best way to officially do that is by quoting the blurb. It's also a nice way to get a quite, laconic summarization, so I can see why they would want them there. My only issue with is is the aforementioned lack of consistency. I suppose the larger discussion would be whether or not the blurbs deserve to be placed at the top and if it's smart design-wise to do so. Toymaker's Creation [[File:VelEye.png]] "Thank you for your contribution." 23:12, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Autoconfirm
Hey, I was told to drop you a message about this on the irc. I've had my account since (at least, maybe earlier than) April and have made a couple edits on the wiki, but haven't received any kind of autoconfirm in that whole time, which is preventing me from making some edits to a few SSB4 character pages. What do I need to do to make it happen? Thanks Aurist (talk) 22:45, 16 September 2014 (EDT)


 * See this and you'll understand that you've only met ONE of the two requirements to become autoconfirmed. In order to achieve that status, you not only need to have had an account for at least a week, (which you've done) but you also need to have made at least 10 mainspace edits, (by that I mean edits to articles on characters, stages, games, etc.). Do that, and you should be good. MeatBall104; Only at your Pizza Hut! 22:59, 16 September 2014 (EDT)


 * Hi, thank you for the help! I'll go ahead and do that, I definitely have some contributions to make. Aurist (talk) 23:26, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

This user
Is uploading a whole bunch of trophy images right now without tagging them correctly (I left a message on his talk page). Think it would be nice if you used your bot account to go over them and add the proper categories and templates.  Qw er ty (t al k)  20:49, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

May need your help
A user was naming some unnamed Final Smashes, using a wikia as a source. I told him on his talk page that we wouldn't accept them without an official source. Apparently my message is not going through to him. Can you help me out with this? Thanks. Berrenta (talk) 10:18, 22 September 2014 (EDT)

Quick Request
Sorry if this is rude (I've only been on the wiki for about two weeks), but I just wanted to point out my idea of the stages being put in bold if they are unlockable. Thanks. SmashBros (talk) 11:46, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
 * A user's talk page is not the right place for this kind of suggestion. In addition, I abhor the idea and don't understand why people keep replacing it in the character tables after I take them away. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Prismatic 11:48, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Well excuse me. Didn't mean to make you upset... SmashBros (talk) 17:11, 22 September 2014 (EDT)

Cover Fire?
Which move has that name? Tried Google, got nothing.  Blue  Ninjakoopa  00:22, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
 * According to SSB4-3DS trophies, Samus's up smash. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Celeritous 00:23, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Cool. Also, it's been about a month and there hasn't been any development on the Mother logo dilemma. Could you give me an idea on what the position of that is on your list of things to do? I don't mean to pressure you, but you're the only user here with the tools to make that happen, and it seems like it could get done quickly.  Blue  Ninjakoopa  00:56, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
 * I think it's something that can be done, but is both tedious and low priority. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomperable 10:11, 28 September 2014 (EDT)

Potential content usage/reference request
Hello. I am a sysop of Pokémon Central Wiki, an Italian site affiliated with Bulbapedia as part of Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis (we have no affiliations with NIWA though). If possible, I would appreciate your, or better this site's staff's, permission, to use this wiki's pages about the Pokémon series in Smash Bros. as a base for our translated version, even just as a simple information source and possibly including images. Our translated pages would most likely not mirror this wiki's structure, but just consist in integrations to the (mostly already existing) relevant pages. I explicitly ask permission because this wiki is licensed under CC-BY-SA, while ours is under CC-BY-NC-SA, which I guess is not fully compatible (not really sure about all the minutiae). I'm not exactly sure about how the license's "attribution" part would work, would citing the source in the edit summaries be enough?

I contacted you as the highest-ranking staff member I found, if you're not the right person I apologize in advance. (Also, did I place this in the right spot of the page?) Thanks for the attention. --Menshay (talk) 15:57, 4 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Well I'm not an expert on how the different licenses work. But I think you'll be fine if you do this: Make a template that says something like "This page borrows content translated from [SmashWiki]; the original page can be found [here]". Something like our Template:Wikipedia, though maybe less obtrusive or something depending on how you want it to look. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Ghostbuster 16:13, 4 October 2014 (EDT)

Minor request for Special:Upload...
For this page, attempting to upload certain filenames will cause a warning to pop up, such as IMG and RSBE. Images taken within Smash 4 feature the prefix "HNI_", but attempting to upload such an image does not show the warning; as such, a small update should be made to Special:Upload's algorithm to produce a warning when users attempt to upload an image with that prefix.

That's all.

---  Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  04:03, 5 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Think I added that to the blacklist. Mind doing a quick check to make sure it worked properly? Miles ( talk)   04:08, 5 October 2014 (EDT)


 * Ah, I was unaware that sysops could change the blacklist in addition to bcrats. Sorry for bothering you, Toomai...And yeah, it's working now. Thank you very much~


 * ---  Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  04:17, 5 October 2014 (EDT)

Spirit brother, I ask thee.
Tell me, do you have any concrete views on image width, italics, emphasis, and acronyms; to be oddly specific? Also, that "impossible to troll" tag is some pretty good bait. It's like dangling a sack of meat above starving piranhas. 184.44.5.145 19:32, 5 October 2014 (EDT)


 * Eh I don't have much opinion on those things really, it all depends on context. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Breegull 19:41, 5 October 2014 (EDT)

We're a like you and me. Anywho, freedom and strictness can both be good, but an alloy can make a stronger metal, remember that. Also I'd suggest using 280px as a default. It's the size most infoboxes are. Gets rid of that white space. 184.44.5.145 19:46, 5 October 2014 (EDT)

This page
I tried to move this page to "SMASH ATTACK (tournament)", mainly to distinguish it from this page, but it won't allow me. Can you help, or should I not move it at all?  Rtzxy   Smashing!  22:31, 7 October 2014 (EDT)
 * I did it, had no problem. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 23:06, 7 October 2014 (EDT)

Strategies for unlocking all the custom moves?
Hey, I have a hunch you've been playing the game since its release and I want to know: Have you developed any strategies for acquiring all the custom specials? I've only recently gotten all of Mario's and that took days. Some forums say that exploiting the roulette using the Home button on the 3DS helps, but I usually end up getting equipment instead of custom specials. Is there a better way?  Blue  Ninjakoopa  00:53, 8 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Lucky you, I need masses of equipment for regression purposes and couldn't care less about all the custom moves I'm getting. Either way, abusing Home as they say is probably the most efficient way to do it, as Trophy Rush is a massive pain in general, and Smash Run is a lot of work for equivalent rewards. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bess 01:08, 8 October 2014 (EDT)

May you delete the redirect Master Hand (SSB)?
The page Master Hand (SSB64) should be moved there. (talk) 12:03, 8 October 2014 (EDT)
 * I'll do that shortly, I want to try and improve the page a bit at the same time. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Riotous 12:15, 8 October 2014 (EDT)

Something to ask..
is Villager's Side Smash OP on Edges for you? it's OP for me. Igor The Mii (talk) 16:54, 10 October 2014 (EDT)

UserGSP template query
How did you find or calculate the "Total" part of ? DarkFox01 The Smasher 18:59, 15 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Along with the other numbers, in the records section. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Free 19:00, 15 October 2014 (EDT)

Tommy Barnes is back
People seem to be ignoring his edits so he won't get more aggressive, but no admins are online. (So I'm hoping you get an E-mail alert or something) Laikue (talk|contribs) 13:22, 16 October 2014 (EDT)

My own Smasher page
Hi, there. I just have one question about something.

So, a week from today, my school will be having its own video game tournament, with Melee being one of the games. Me being the smasher that I am, I am definitely participating in said tournament, and will be going up against people in Melee matches with Sheik. After the tournament comes to an end, there will be rankings made determined by how well the players have done. After I get my own ranking, would it be acceptable for me to create a "smasher" page about me? I know this isn't anything like an MLG tournament, but it's at least something. Aidan  the Gamer  19:06, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
 * You should refer to the notability criteria for this kind of question. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Producer 19:08, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
 * I see. Now, would this classify as notable? I'm sorry if I may be asking stupid questions, I'm just not sure how a school tournament (a high school tournament, for the record) would fit in to that. Aidan   the Gamer  19:10, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
 * The general rule of thumb here is "assume it's not notable until proven otherwise". One-off tournaments at high schools are unlikely to manage this. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Xanthic 19:17, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. Didn't want to create a possibly unnecessary page without checking to see if it was ok first. Aidan   the Gamer  19:33, 16 October 2014 (EDT)

XL and moves
Would it be possible to do any sort of neat bot editing to simplify the move process for Dream Land -> Dream Land (SSB) and Mute City -> Mute City (SSBM)? Miles ( talk)  19:45, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Might be tricky, but it should be possible. I presume the idea is to assume that all existing links point to the old stages? Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Cloronic 19:48, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
 * That's the idea. It's not like it's out of the question to do it manually, but it would be less tedious if the workload could be reduced via bot. Miles ( talk)   19:50, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
 * I think a simple " Dream Land -> ; Mute City -> " would be a good start (I suspect it would get 90% of cases). If you move the pages, I'll fire this replace. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Orchestral 20:18, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Moved and ready. Miles ( talk)   20:57, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Thanks for your assistance. I'd been putting off dealing with that because of the hassle involved, but it ended up not being that big of a problem with XL's help. Miles ( talk)   22:28, 22 October 2014 (EDT)

Export page
The export title says "Admin's" rather than Admins, when it is clearly meant to be a plural noin. May you please change it? (talk) 13:11, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
 * I'll just delete it, it's misleading anyway. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Prismatic 13:24, 23 October 2014 (EDT)

"we don't list 'got a side special' in SSB64-Melee sections, or 'got a Final Smash' in Melee-Brawl conversion sections, so why here?"
Um, special case? Besides, why wouldn't we list those things in those sections? They're changes, aren't they? VinLAURiA (talk) 16:32, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
 * If all characters receive a change, it's not really a change for the character, but a change for the game, and the characters happen to match. You know what I mean? Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Resolute 16:36, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
 * I can see how that works for completely universal changes such as adding or modifying air-dodge, or juking with game speed in general, but when it comes to the addition of individualized things like a new move type, it may be worth mentioning for each individual character. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]]VinLAURiA (talk) 22:28, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
 * How is "new move type" not universal? Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 22:30, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Well, because everyone's new move of that type is going to be different. Whereas with something like air-dodge, it works exactly the same for all fighters and doesn't need pointing out for every single one. When it comes to a new move type, each character is going to have their own where a single blanket statement on the game's page really wouldn't do it justice. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]]VinLAURiA (talk) 22:53, 23 October 2014 (EDT)

Is Luigi still a semi-clone of Mario, or not?
Sorry to bring the debate to your backyard, but the dispute here can't get resolved because the opposition believes I have a bias, and that the testing I did is therefore invalid. Their conclusions, I think, were made out of stubbornness or spite (I've conflicted with Qwerty and Nutter Butter before), but since they're a majority, there's nothing I can say to convince them. I'll admit that I did get overly aggressive with them and used a tone unbecoming of an established user, but it's mainly because they're incredibly pompous and dense, and the elitism they exhibited pissed me off (Nutter Butter started everything off with "I don't care if [...]", and responded to everything I said with "my argument might be better because I don't like the way you worded yours lol"). That said, I feel your input is necessary and will settle the debate.  Blue  Ninjakoopa  19:36, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
 * I know you didn't ask me, but I decided to try this out for you. Input and such requested from either party.


 * ---  Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  20:36, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
 * (I'm typing this as I think, so it continues changing theories. That's how I work though, so deal with it.) I can't entirely call you biased since you never truly argued. Although I'm clearly biased, I honestly think 35% is rather low. This is probably going to be shot down for being pompous and dense, but I think the numbers would be better off as 75% and higher for full clones with 50%-75% for semi-clones. From OT's testing, all Melee clones are above 75% except Captain Falcon and Ganondorf, but since they're clearly designed as full clones, perhaps 60% should be the limit just to keep them in, in which case a better number for semi-clones would be 40%, or as low as 35% (the latter of which would keep Luigi in the semi-clone range in Brawl and SSB4). If the semi-clone range is 40%, Fox/Falco and Link/Toon Link would still be semi-clones in Brawl, but Falcon/Ganon and Mario/Luigi would not (which would also make them non-clones in Smash 4 as well). If it is 35%, this makes Mario/Luigi semi-clones in Brawl and Smash 4, but Falcon/Ganon still aren't. Thoughts on these numbers? ---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 20:53, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
 * You didn't have any arguments on the Clone talk page, only fits of whining. I'm having trouble taking you seriously, and I doubt you think as you type (I doubt you think at all). Also, the example of "pompous and dense" in your text shows in your opening statement ("That's how I work though, so deal with it."). In any of your responses, do you ever plan on proving me wrong?
 * That said, the numbers you've presented can't be considered valid; you've accused me of a "bias", then present obviously biased numbers (arbitrary percentage floor of 40%, just to keep Mario and Luigi from being considered semi-clones?).  Blue  Ninjakoopa  21:05, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Considering Monsieur Crow said that it's "probably inaccurate because I can't easily test the differences due to lack of Human controlled players in training", I wouldn't call the data accurate and final. <font face="AmericanTypewriter"> Rtzxy [[File:SmashSig.jpeg]]  Smashing!  21:11, 25 October 2014 (EDT)


 * The purpose of the page was to prevent the lot of you from bothering Toomai. Get a move on~


 * --- <font face="Pristina"> Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire,  21:15, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Yeah BNK you oughta take a chill pill for this topic.

But anyway, yeah okay I'll have a look and see what my input on clone-ness is. Probably it'll end up with me doing my own comparisons. Toomai Glittershine The Riotous 22:37, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Personal attack?
As you can see in the section above (sorry for messaging all of that on your wall, that was probably uneccesary) and Talk:Clone, BNK is being a bit uh... forceful with his opinions on the Mario/Luigi semi-clone. I'm feeling very much attacked personally right now, considering he called me pompous and dense basically for disagreeing with him. I feel I stated my opinions, and he claims for no evident reason that it's simply whining and stupid. In order to escape the situation, I asked for the opinions of other users, which he took as proof of my idiocy because clearly I can't come up with a better argument. Overall, while NPA does not make any clear references to what has happened, it states that those examples are not the only ways, so I want to see someone else's opinions. My family thinks its a personal attack, but they're clearly more biased than he is. ''---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta.'' 21:43, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Hi
Hey. Can I grab you in Chat for a few seconds? 217.43.54.108 13:02, 26 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Sorry for not specifying this in the comment above, but this is NIWA related. 217.43.54.108 15:36, 26 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Hadn't seen this earler, alright. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Metroid 15:57, 26 October 2014 (EDT)

Rename to Boo4761
Boo4761 is my username on the MarioWiki, can you rename me? --Lynx Canadensis (talk) 18:00, 26 October 2014 (EDT)
 * As is usual, post here again in a day or two, just to ensure you mean it. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Le Grand Fromage 18:02, 26 October 2014 (EDT)

Meteor Smashes in SSB4
I would totally make this page, but my computer has a time limit on it...I can definitely get the information needed for this page, but would you mind putting it into the wiki format? You don't have to say yes, but the fact that the page "List of meteor smashes (SSB4)" doesn't exist is kind of bothering me a little. But still, what say you? Would you like to work with me in creating a page? (I know, I may sound like a dork, but still.) Aidan   the Gamer  22:45, 26 October 2014 (EDT)
 * I mean, sure, information would have to be collected at another time. It *is* pretty late already as it is. Aidan   the Gamer  22:46, 26 October 2014 (EDT)

Request for XL
There are some pages and images under Category:Rosalina (SSB4) that need to be recategorized to Category:Rosalina & Luma (SSB4). Can XL do it? Thanks in advance. Berrenta (talk) 12:22, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
 * I'm not lifting a finger to help with any move of the sort. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Inconceivable 18:31, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
 * I understand. Well, thanks for the timely response! Berrenta (talk) 13:32, 29 October 2014 (EDT)

Unofficial move
Is there any particular reason that doing what I referred to as an "unofficial move" is unacceptable? It's the same result, all it was slightly more work and filling my clipboard temporarily. You just added more work onto it by undoing what I did and then doing it officially. ''---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta.'' 13:26, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
 * It splits the page history. (talk) PikaSamusSig.png 13:27, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Yeah, proper moves relocate the history as well, whereas just copy-pasting doesn't. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Spark 13:28, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
 * ...Hm, alright, I suppose. Somewhat unsatisfying, but at least I have some reason not to do it now. ---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 13:29, 31 October 2014 (EDT)

Charging SFX for "serious" characters
I'm having trouble figuring out how to describe the new sound effect that's heard when a "serious" character (Mario, Link, Pac-Man, Ganondorf, etc.) charges his or her smash attacks other than with "dunking", which is a strange word to use since it mostly applies to things being submerged in water. Do you have any ideas? <font face="X-Files"> Blue  Ninjakoopa  22:58, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
 * It might not be strictly necessary to describe the sound in one word; perhaps just saying how it's different would be enough. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Le Grand Fromage 00:15, 1 November 2014 (EDT)

Block him whenever you get the chance. Also, think about archiving this soon; it's getting awfully large, isn't it? Rtzxy   ''Reflect!!!  16:56, 3 November 2014 (EST)
 * I keep wanting to archive, but people keep using it. :P Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Chilled 17:01, 3 November 2014 (EST)
 * It should be safe to archive now, but do it quickly before someone else edits it. Rtzxy  Reflect.jpg  ''Reflect!!!  17:04, 3 November 2014 (EST)