User talk:Myth

SOCK
You can't intentionally have two accounts. S c r 7 (talk · contribs) 17:39, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Tier discussion
You can use my page to discuss my tier list on the talk page. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 13:11, 6 January 2014 (EST)
 * Normally I don't bother commenting on user tier lists, but since you asked for it and I'm doing nothing at the moment:


 * The big thing I noticed right away is that your tier lists are horribly biased, with all the characters you play ranked much higher than they should be. The biggest offender being Kirby; you have him ranked as top tier and 4th best character in Brawl, this is just blatantly wrong. Kirby is a good character in Brawl, but he's only a solid middle tier character, too many other characters are simply better for him to be anywhere near high tier, much less as the 4th best character in top tier. Your forward smash and Stone spam may work really well against your friends, but it isn't working at all on anyone remotely competent. Kirby additionally is really poor at breaking through opposing camping, while not being a particularly noteworthy camper himself, and in Brawl an inability to break through camping or camp yourself is a really huge detriment. In Melee, Kirby is just an atrociously designed character in every way that is terrible at everything, who is the worst character in the entire Smash series. He has no business being ranked above even Pichu, much less ranked higher than four other characters.


 * For Dedede, I main him, I'm arguably a pro with him, and I can assure you he isn't anywhere near fifth best character in the game nor top tier. Dedede may be the worst matchup or one of the worst matchups for many other characters, but he is countered by too many top and high tier characters to be anywhere near top tier, and maybe even just be the worst ranked high tier. You can't be a contender for top tier when you're countered by the most common characters, especially one that is used by 25% of the playerbase.


 * For some other significant things with your Brawl list; you're underestimating the power of Diddy's nanners, he's an unarguable top tier character at this point. Sonic is way too high, he's a decent middle tier character, but he has arguably the worst killing ability in Brawl and one of the worst movesets, you can't be a contender for high tier with that. Lucario is a bit too low; he's one of the few characters in Brawl with real comboing ability, along with an amazing moveset and fantastic KO moves (when sufficiently damaged), including a f-smash that is virtually unpunishable when used right, and he has no deficiencies in other areas, other than an awful recovery (which keeps him on the lower rungs of high tier). Wario is also too low, the grab release issues keep him from being top tier, they don't knock him below high tier. R.O.B. is too low; he has too strong of camping and spacing ability to be lower middle tier, and has a lot of solid all-around moves, only his killing issues and Meta Knight keep from being potentially high tier. Game & Watch is way too low; when you have his great power, good moveset, good speed, and amazing survivability, you have no business being near low tier unless you have some absolutely crippling weakness (which he does not have). Captain Falcon is too high, he just cannot function in Brawl physics at all; his great movement, decent kill power, great jab/uair, and good survivability keep him out of the bottom tier, but he's not anywhere near king of low tier. And finally, you have Bowser too low; he's faster and stronger than Link and Zelda, with better KO moves, a better recovery, and an actually good OoS game. Compared to Jigglypuff, he doesn't die to a stiff breeze, doesn't get wrecked by Brawl physics, and doesn't have to rely on camping to win at high levels. Compared to all three, he also can do some neat grab release stuff. Bowser is poor in Brawl, but he's not bottom tier, and he's definitely better than Zelda, Link, Jigglypuff, and I would say Falcon as well.


 * For your Melee list, I won't comment much on it beyond the aforementioned Kirby thing, other then that you got Mewtwo and Roy way too high. They're both definitive low tier characters and not solid middle tier characters. For Roy, see the intro I wrote on his character page for why he's such an awful character. For Mewtwo, sure he has some neat things and an amazing recovery, but when you have such drastic design flaws as he does, you can't be anywhere near the middle. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:04, 6 January 2014 (EST)

I honestly made Mewtwo high because of Taj and Kirby maybe a little biased but its probably because of how I play him. Also as for Lucario I think its because his true potential doesnt kick in until he gets beaten up and cmon that just highers the possiblilty of being destroyed. And lastly some chars like Diddy arent in High Tier because im just lazy to put him up there and do all this tier changing crap. Ill probably do it soon lol. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 21:29, 6 January 2014 (EST) Oh and I will place Lucario and Wario in C+ Tier and Sonic in C- Tier. And CF will get a lower then Mario but not Jiggs, Bowser, Ganondorf, Zelda and Link. Lastly, as for Kirby and Dedede they will be put in one of the B tiers --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 21:37, 6 January 2014 (EST) AND THE ABSOLUTE LAST THING I WILL MENTION: Kirby has 2 good Matchups while Bowser & Pichu have 0 good matchups. Now why is Pichu higher than Bowser? Because Its grab game and its speed. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 22:06, 6 January 2014 (EST)

"Notable players"
Hi, you seem to be adding people to the "notable players" sections of character pages who are just well known players that occasionally use those characters. I'm telling you now not to do that. The "notable players" section are for players who have done significant things with that character in tournament, whether it be innovating major stuff for the character, getting unusually high placings with the character at some point in history, or just being one of the best players of the character. It's not for any big name player that once used the character in a tournament or uses them in friendlies. For your example, Taj belongs on the Mewtwo and Marth sections, as he's the player people think of when they think of the former character, and he consistently places high in nationals with the latter. He does not belong in the Samus, Link, Fox, or Falco sections, as he has never done anything of note with those characters in competitive play compared to the notable players of those characters.

So yeah, stop adding big name players to "notable players" sections because they have the character listed as an "other character" on their smasher page. Omega  Tyrant   18:24, 6 January 2014 (EST)

Read the above, don't just add big name players to character categories because they're listed as an "other" character on their smasherbeta. Omega  Tyrant   19:41, 6 January 2014 (EST)
 * Well what about something like Armada's Young Link? --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 20:06, 6 January 2014 (EST)
 * If the player's low tier character is actually well known and they have used them to some noteworthy success (such as Armada's Young Link, or Ally's Captain Falcon), then yes they can belong. If they just fool around with the character in friendlies though or used them once, they do not belong regardless of how noteworthy the player is. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:06, 6 January 2014 (EST)

Smash Arena suggestions
You appear to not be reading all the rules of Smash Arena suggestions. One of them is that no user may suggest more than one fight every 7 days. Take note. Toomai Glittershine The Inconceivable 17:57, 7 January 2014 (EST)

Leaving the Wiki for a bit
As of January 7 I will be taking some time off this wiki. I think I have done certain bad things on this wiki such as posting way too much Smash Arena suggestions. This however does not mean I will not be editing my own page or looking up stuff on this Wiki. Note: This isnt my final edit just im not gonna make one for a while. Also I will participate in Smash Arena voting and ideas but not much due to most of my ideas being for SSB4. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 21:44, 7 January 2014 (EST)

1 thing you may have noticed is that im still making changes. I will only be making SMALL changes. I will only make 1 type of page being a redirect page during this hiatus from big changes. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 23:46, 8 January 2014 (EST)

Excuse me but
There were two significant problems with that Punch-Out template you attempted to make: I can tell you're trying to help, but please be more careful so you don't make a mess. Toomai Glittershine Da Bess 17:27, 9 January 2014 (EST)
 * 1) It was previously deleted for being a universe template with only one member (the universe page itself doesn't count). You should pay more attention to messages when you create pages, which would have informed you of this.
 * 2) You did not preview it, resulting in a horrid mess due to how the system interprets exclamation points (or something like that, I didn't look too hard into it). You shouldn't be adding a template to pages when it's quite obviously broken.


 * 1) This may sound dumb but I made that template just because Punch Out being in SSB4 is so likely. Wont happen again unless Little Mac is announced for SSB4! --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 18:07, 9 January 2014 (EST)

You're being reverted for a reason
If I come across as rude, I apologize, but this really needs to be said.

Please stop adding "professional" categories to articles where the subject is either not known for their competitive aptitude, not well-known for playing the character at a high competitive level, or both. An article that lists a smasher as a "pro-am" or "semi-professional", for example, is not an article where you want to add their mains and secondaries to the "professionals" category. Omega Tyrant already notified you on this, yet you chose to ignore it. As a friendly suggestion, I'd suggest to focus on other parts of the wiki. Thank you! PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 18:08, 14 January 2014 (EST)

Young Link in PM
Discuss my Young Link ideas please and give me some ideas. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 18:49, 26 January 2014 (EST)

I think you should
actually wait for the discussion to reach a conscious before making the respective edits (which is a lot of edits anyway). You didn't even say anything in that discussion anyway... S c r 7 (talk · contribs) 17:56, 1 February 2014 (EST)

Edit summaries/revert reasons
Why can't you just read the edit summaries that people are giving you while reverting you? You shouldn't just completely ignore them and then make the edit back without even saying anything or trying to refute the summary. This has happened countless times. I'm not trying to be rude, but I have no idea what is with your ignorance. S c r 7 (talk · contribs) 06:47, 16 February 2014 (EST)

You should take note of this. Instead of reverting other users and just talking in edit summaries, use talk pages to discuss things before you make another edit, or run afoul of 1RV. Toomai Glittershine The Trumpeteer 18:06, 19 February 2014 (EST)

These redirects
Why are you making so many redirects? We don't have to redirect every possible phrase that someone could type into the search box. Easy there with the redirects. Ryxis (talk) 21:59, 18 February 2014 (EST)
 * Just because a smasher was called something in a stream as a joke does not mean that the joke warrants a redirect page.
 * You don't need to have a redirect for every possible nickname someone could have for an article. "Yoshi's Island (pipes)" is not a legitimate thing to call Yoshi's Island, and nobody is going to type that into the search. Dr. Mario is not a character in PM. Nobody is going to search for Dr. Mario (PM).

Because Doc is an Alt for Mario and is the most notable alt since he was a character. Not to mention the Tournament legal (SSBM) uses Yoshi's Island (pipes) as a nickname --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 22:33, 18 February 2014 (EST) That doesn't mean they need redirects. You don't need to redirect everything that could ever possibly be redirected. Ryxis (talk) 23:52, 18 February 2014 (EST)

For future reference
Things that are tagged for obvious speedy deletion don't need a talk page discussion. Miles ( talk)  21:01, 20 February 2014 (EST)

Editing my page
Might I ask why cant I edit my own page during a block? It needs to be fixed. I can understand not being able to edit anything else but my own page? Thats just evil. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 11:09, 4 March 2014 (EST)
 * Sorry, according to policy, even userpages are SmashWiki property. The Wiki encourages people to edit the mainspace than their userpages. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 11:37, 4 March 2014 (EST)
 * OK but could someone just switch Dr. Mario and Yoshi in my "Other SSBM Characters" while im banned? Please? --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 11:41, 4 March 2014 (EST)
 * You can wait out the ban, that isn't something that needs immediate fixing. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:44, 4 March 2014 (EST)
 * Also please read NOT and USER. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 12:47, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Copycat
I cant edit the Copycat page nor create a talk page for it so im gonna say: He plays Sheik mostly but still mains Kirby. Also he seems to be a "Professional". --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 09:13, 5 March 2014 (EST)
 * I'm going to assume good faith here, but this is quite close to block evasion. Such an error is hardly a major omission or something that could not be done when you get back from your block tomorrow. Also, if you are blocked and must find a way to have your edit made, you need to give a lot of reasons/links for it. Again, I really think this was in good faith, but I just wanted to let you know so you don't accidentaly do something like this in the future. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 13:34, 5 March 2014 (EST)

To be honest
You have several users who are constantly undoing your edits to smasher and related pages. Perhaps you should take a step back and think about whether you really know what you're doing, or whether you should defer until you become more experienced. Toomai Glittershine The Resolute 17:40, 25 March 2014 (EDT)

1RV
Hi, it seems you have been using multiple reverts. You're only allowed to revert once and read page histories and edit summaries to see why posts don't belong there. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 00:27, 4 April 2014 (EDT)

Dinoboy account?
That was you as well, right? I'm going to it into this unless you have a compelling reason why I shouldn't. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 19:22, 6 April 2014 (EDT)


 * Yup --Myth (talk) 20:12, 6 April 2014 (EDT)
 * Wow, I managed to not type the critical word in the second sentence… Anyway, thanks for confirming. Any reason I shouldn't merge the accounts? Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 21:51, 6 April 2014 (EDT)
 * You can merge them. --Myth (talk) 08:04, 7 April 2014 (EDT)

Sig test
-- (talk) 14:25, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

How do I change my Signature? -- (talk) 16:32, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

-- (talk) 17:42, 8 April 2014 (EDT)
 * Have you tried anything? Have you read the entire preferences page? Do you think you're ready to have a custom sig if you can't figure this out on your own? Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Honcho 17:47, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

It would be better if I got oh I dont know help?! -- (talk) 09:03, 9 April 2014 (EDT)
 * Read the policies again, specifically this section. You're screwing something up if your sig doesn't work. In addition, the preview button still lets you view changes to your sig as long as you saved said changes to your preferences. You should not need help for something that is not that hard. Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 20:44, 14 April 2014 (EDT)

Regarding the edits you make to smasher pages
"You have several users who are constantly undoing your edits to smasher and related pages. Perhaps you should take a step back and think about whether you really know what you're doing, or whether you should defer until you become more experienced."

I'm pretty sure that you have the right intentions with the edits you make, but you really do need to take a step back and think about the edits you are making. You're getting into edit wars when you're inserting the wrong information to begin with, so maybe you should just not edit the smasher pages until you know more about the competitive scene. Focus on other areas of the wiki, but just avoid the smasher pages for now. Hopefully, you aren't just going to ignore these statements, but repeating it again helps. Mega Tron1  XD   20:44, 14 April 2014 (EDT)


 * Adding on to this, you have been getting a lot of leeway regarding your edits (in fact, this stems back to January, so about over 3 months), and quite frankly, it's getting tiresome. I don't doubt that your edits are with good faith, but you have a very bad tendency to get into edit wars and completely ignore edit summaries. It's very clear that you're not too well-versed in the competitive scene, yet the majority of your edits have been related to that (and thus, a large portion of your edits have been reverted). I'm asking you to please focus your attention on other parts of the wiki and avoid touching the smasher pages. It would really help a lot. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 03:33, 19 April 2014 (EDT)

After not responding to this (or any number of requests/comments of the same derivation) you up and make the Ryxis page… As others have stated, I'm not convinced these are bad faith edits, but they are most definitely bad edits. If Ryxis really is someone who gets a smasher page for his contributions to SmashWiki, you need to enumerate them in the page. When you create a new page, the onus is on you to make it appropriate. Also, you need to stop just adding random players to characters and/or categories to players just because they once used the character when sandbagging. If you feel that we are all off base in this criticism, please explain to us why. Otherwise, please stop making these edits. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 22:06, 19 April 2014 (EDT)


 * I just thought we need more SmashWiki players. -- Myth Myth Kirby.png 00:20, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
 * We don't need more smasher pages for the sake of having more smasher pages to please any minorities or majorities. Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 00:51, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

Herein lies the problem with many of your edits, and Mega hit the nail on the head. We don't need pages just because we don't have them. If only two people play Mewtwo with any professional regularity, they are the only ones who get listed. It doesn't matter that there are ten times as many Marth players; we shouldn't be flooding the Mewtwo page with random dudes who sandbagged with Mewtwo just to make it have the same number as other pages. As for the SmashWiki players category, if the player isn't notable outside of their work on SmashWiki, the standard for notability is basically me and Ax (i.e. admin the site for multiple years, take it through major transitions, troll, and be known in the community for the work on the wiki). RJM, OT, and KoRo all have had meaningful professional outings, and Toomai has done his work with the technical details (similar to some of M2K's work). Ryxis has been a quality editor, but that alone does not get him a page. Again, the category having a limited number of entires is not a negative. If anything, it is to its benefit as it demonstrates the level of notability that is required for inclusion. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 01:08, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

Banned
Why the hell am I banned? I didn't even finish arguing with Omega Tyrant on PP's Mario. Also, how come banned people aren't allowed to edit talk pages? That would make it so much easier. Btw MacD is apart of Curse... kind of hes still apart of CT. -- Myth  16:32, 1 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Your ban log says that you kept edit warring when you were repeatedly told not to. (talk) RedSig.png 17:04, 1 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Yes. Seriously, what makes you surprised about a ban when you literally ignore everyone all the time? We're not posting on your talk page to spam it. We're not reverting all your edits to make fun of you. We're telling you that you're edit warring and violating 1RV, and that you should stop. Yet even after one temp ban, you continue to do it. And you were already refuted about Dr. PP's Mario. Having only played a character in a few matches six years ago doesn't make them notable with that character. S c r 7 Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 17:08, 1 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Banned people can't edit talk pages because...you answered your own question. They're banned. S c r 7 Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 17:13, 1 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Lol. There are plenty of players who dont play a certain character for a while and are notable. Mango's Puff, UmbreonMow's M2. -- Myth Myth Kirby.png 16:33, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Oh, because Dr. PP has totally played Brawl Mario notably in the past few years, hasn't he? Did you even read what I said? S c r 7 Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 16:36, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Oh, because UmbreonMow has totally played Melee Mewtwo notably in the past few years, hasn't he? -- Myth Myth Kirby.png 16:38, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
 * So you contradict yourself. S c r 7 Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 16:41, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I honestly can't recall UmbreonMow ever doing anything notable as a player, anyway. As for Mango, he originally became famous for his Jigglypuff, and won multiple nationals using that character. In regards to Dr. PeePee, the video you've been linking still shows him losing, plus it was a month after Brawl's release in the states, so... your comparisons are poor. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 17:03, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I contradicted myself because the wiki already said UMow has played a good M2. And losing a match doesnt mean anything. If you do really good against someone and still lose it doesnt take away your good play. -- Myth Myth Kirby.png 17:19, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
 * You're forgetting that the match you linked was six years ago. I'll repeat, six years ago. Dr. PP hasn't done anything notable with Mario since. Also you obviously didn't read what Jamal said. S c r 7 Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 17:21, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I did read what Jamal wrote. And as I said six years ago doesnt matter. AS LONG AS THEY PLAY GOOD THEY ARE GOOD NO MATTER WHAT TIME PERIOD! Case in point Hbox's Brawl Puff. -- Myth Myth Kirby.png 17:25, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
 * If you read it, you would be able to refute it. And Hungrybox was once ranked on the Florida Brawl Power Rankings with Jigglypuff/King Dedede. Go and find something like that that Dr. PP did with Mario. S c r 7 Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 17:28, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
 * "AS LONG AS THEY PLAY GOOD THEY ARE GOOD NO MATTER WHAT TIME PERIOD!" Has the term rusty ever rung a bell? Con ny Airconny Snake Sig.png 17:30, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
 * That must be some really outdated metagame then. :P D  o  t  s  (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Engineer 19:06, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

Myth, you are perilously walking close to getting banned from being able to post on your talk page too. Seriously, stop being so damn dense and listen for once.

Here's the thing. Yes, once notable, always notable. Mango doesn't use Puff anymore, but that doesn't mean he wasn't at one time the best Jigglypuff player ever. With Dr. PP with Brawl Mario however, you have not sufficiently shown that he was ever a notable Brawl Mario in the first place. Your only evidence is one single video, from right after Brawl's launch, in a match PP didn't even win. How many times have we told you, a notable player using a random character in a tourney once does not make them a notable player of that character! For evidence, you are supposed to show tournament results where Dr. PP did exceptionally well with Brawl Mario, or any other thing such as a power ranking that shows him regarded highly with Mario. A single losing video from right after Brawl's release is not evidence. And time period does matter when it's early 2008 and everyone is bad and were playing random characters trying to find their main that they stopped playing soon after. Winning also matters, you are not a notable player with the character if you do not win an exceptional amount with the character. No player is considered notable because they "almost win" and "look really good".

Also, when your ban ends, the next time you edit war or put a big name player as a notable player of a character they used once in a tourney, you will be immediately blocked for a month, with your talk page blocked as well. You have been getting away with your shit and attitude for way too long, if you don't start listening and keep insisting on your ways, you simply won't be allowed to edit here. You will also be rebanned, if you're going to ignore us and keep trying to argue PP as a notable Brawl Mario because of one ancient video while not giving us any actual evidence that we keep telling you to give. The users of the Wiki have tired of you long ago, and I'm going to put my foot down on you now. Omega  Tyrant   19:59, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

I'm going to step in here, as a neutral observer, and explain what's at issue. The issue is not, on the whole, if Dr. PP is a notable Mario player. The issue is that, rather than have the discussion on the talk page, you do it via edit warring. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but you must also respect community response. In this case, all the evidence was against you in terms of Dr. PP. You have made a few legitimate arguments, but they were all contained in the edit summary's of edits in violation of 1RV and/or on your talk page once you were already banned. Where were these arguments on the talk page of the article in question? And once your arguments are responded to, you do not have the right to simply edit your shit back in just because you disagree with everyone else. I'm not even going to get into the specifics of the argument, because they are irrelevant to your ban. The only thing I will add—which is something that I have previously talked to you about—is to reiterate that just because there are a limited number of notable entries in a category does not mean that the threshold for notability in said category is lower. Even through I main Zelda (and was at one time the top Zelda player in IowaI) I don't get to be in the Zelda (SSSB) player category just because there aren't a ton of Zelda pros. I'm not at the level that is actually notable, nor is my play with Zelda actually recognized by the community. We don't need or want people like me categorized in the Zelda pros because it dilutes the importance of the category. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 12:56, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

join us
get your techless nintendo self on sw Con ny 18:16, 4 May 2014 (EDT)

Your sig
I noticed today that your sig is primarily yellow text on white background, and so probably a pain for most people to read. You should probably change it. Toomai Glittershine The Superlative 16:52, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Would orange work? -- Myth Myth Kirby.png 17:37, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Orange is probably fine. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Prismatic 19:01, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Done. -- Myth Myth Kirby.png 19:20, 7 June 2014 (EDT)

Dr. Mario and Young Link discussion
Dicuss if you want too. -- Myth  11:10, 22 December 2014 (EST)
 * Your talk page isn't the best place to put this. Maybe on the forums or the IRC, but not here.  Rtzxy Reflect.jpg  Reflect!  11:15, 22 December 2014 (EST)