Talk:List of Super Smash Bros. references in other franchises

Kid Icarus references
Could someone upload a video of Paluntena and Pit playing Brawl in Kid Icarus Uprising? I don't have the Japanese version, so I can't. 👾Harro👾 (talk) 04:32, 26 July 2014 (EDT)

Hyrule Warriors?
Would Sheik having a braid be a reference to Brawl's Sheik? Guybrush20X6 (talk) 17:00, 24 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Since Brawl's Sheik is a reference to TP's development, no. It still originates in the Zelda series, albeit as concept art. Miles ( talk)   17:31, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

"Other franchises" section...
I don't think this section should have references from anything other than other video games and other official media based on video game properties (for example, the Sonic comics from Archie.) Otherwise this section would get really big and full of obscure stuff quickly. I'm also considering taking the Cartoon Network game off of there as well, since that isn't really a reference to Smash Bros. - other mascot fighters have existed for years now, such as Jump Super Stars, and the concept of assist characters and super moves didn't originate in Smash. PSASBR would remain, however, since it's a direct counterpart to Smash from a rival console manufacturer (of which there are only three, Nintendo and Sony being two) and its title is an explicit reference to this series' Japanese title, confirmed by that game's developers themselves. VinLAURiA (talk) 08:13, 29 November 2014 (EST)
 * I think we should allow non-game-based references if the reference is blatant enough, but that raises the question of how we'd define such a thing. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Pan-Galactic 10:20, 29 November 2014 (EST)
 * I agree. At the moment, we really don't have any that are too questionable. (At least in my opinion.) Chuck  Norris  24.png  11:26, 29 November 2014 (EST)

All of the references that were removed were legitimate. Chuck Norris    11:50, 29 November 2014 (EST)
 * Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion is basically a cheap knock-off of Smash Bros.
 * The MAD cartoon is a blatant reference to Smash Bros.
 * As for the anime that was mentioned, I've never seen it. But given what was listed, it seems to have an obvious reference to Smash Bros.
 * Bumping this. All references removed were legit, and we can put non-game references here as well; it's a reference list; if it's a reference to Smash Bros., it should go on the list. Also, you don't just remove stuff from pages if the removal might be controversial, as is now, and I firmly believe ChuckNorris24's rollback was not misuse (sorry if I sound a little hypocritical here, but I voiced my opinion).  Rtzxy Reflect.jpg  Reflect!  18:27, 2 December 2014 (EST)
 * Now, based on what I said, may I or may I not revert the page before the removal?  Rtzxy Reflect.jpg  Reflect!  18:39, 2 December 2014 (EST)
 * I'd say yes, the MAD one being the most notable of them, however CN: TPE is a gray area simply because it doesn't actually reference the series. Laikue (talk | contribs) 19:05, 2 December 2014 (EST)
 * All right, we can at least leave CN:TPE out unless someone says otherwise, but I'll add back the other two, since those are clearly references.  Rtzxy Reflect.jpg  Reflect!  19:11, 2 December 2014 (EST)
 * CN: PTE was purposefully made to be similar to Smash Bros. I'd say it's fine to add unless someone has a really good reason not to. Chuck  Norris  24.png  19:16, 2 December 2014 (EST)
 * Well, the thing is, CN:PTE doesn't actually reference Smash Bros. at all. This is a list of references, not a list of blatant ripoffs. Then again, I was the one who added it in the first place…  Rtzxy Reflect.jpg  Reflect!  19:25, 2 December 2014 (EST)
 * But it references Smash with its gameplay. PSABR AND CN: PTE are really the only notable Smash ripoffs that have been made by major companies. I see no reason to leave it off of this page. Chuck  Norris  24.png  19:33, 2 December 2014 (EST)
 * All right, I'll put it back. But if it gets removed, then there's that.  Rtzxy Reflect.jpg  Reflect!  19:46, 2 December 2014 (EST)

My Edit
OK, so firstly, even though yes the sword was only used in Melee, it was still in the Spaceworld demo which predated it (and was supposedly going to be used in a Zelda title), so it's not really a reference at all to the series. Plus, we didn't include Sheik (two sections up) because she was based on concept art. As for Zelda, I really wouldn't call this a reference as she uses a LOT of things she's never used before in Hyrule Warriors (i.e. Dominion Rod, Wind Waker, Bombs, Hookshot, Regular Bow, Boomerang). Additionally, the spells are used in a vastly different fashion in Hyrule Warriors.

I won't deny that it's possible they're references, but it's highly suspect. Also, Zelda's Special attack with the Rapier is a single straight shot with her Light Bow (with a similar charge-up to Brawl), this could be a reference as well, but once again it is suspect. Laikue (talk | contribs) 23:21, 13 February 2015 (EST)
 * Ganondorf has never used that sword in a released Zelda game, but has in Smash. Zelda has never used the OoT spells in a Zelda game, but has in Smash. What's unclear about this? Miles ( talk)   00:25, 14 February 2015 (EST)
 * Given how they seem to be taking everything from everywhere and squeezing it in somehow, it's kind of difficult to tell whether these particular things were a Smash Bros. reference or an independent thought process. Personally I think that Zelda using the spells is a more likely reference than OoT-Ganondorf having his sword. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The SMASH-GINEER 10:05, 14 February 2015 (EST)

Zelda Spells
None of the spells appear in The Adventure of Link- however, some similar ones (Fire magic = Din's Fire, Shield/Reflect magic = Nayru's Love). However, there is no Farore's Wind counterpart, and there are differences (specifically the names). ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 14:47, 2 July 2015 (EDT)
 * I was thinking of the pendants. But I think it's worth a nod in the section. Perhaps we could mention it as a possible origin for the spells? LittleMacmain97, the World Circuit is mine! (Talk) 14:51, 2 July 2015 (EDT)
 * I mean, it's a potential origin in the Zelda games themselves, but not so much in the context of Smash where they're pretty clearly the OoT spells, which are then associated with Zelda herself in HW when they weren't in OoT. I don't see how that's relevant to the point we're making on this page. Miles ( talk)   14:53, 2 July 2015 (EDT)
 * I see it as worthy enough to at least get a mention on the Zelda universe page. It seems like an origin to me. Plus, it's a Link to the Past. So much new stuff came outta there, it ain't a strech to think it's the origin of the spells. LittleMacmain97, the World Circuit is mine! (Talk) 14:59, 2 July 2015 (EDT)

Please
Fix my edit 73.52.84.159 11:24, 10 May 2016 (EDT)

xkcd?
Thoughts on whether this warrants a mention? The webcomic is fairly notable. Miles ( talk)  01:21, 13 November 2018 (EST)
 * I personally think so. I mean, it does mention the name of the game after all. SonicSpeed48ThanksgivingSig4.png Sonic, the Thankful Speedster FallLovingTigger.png 01:24, 13 November 2018 (EST)
 * Given how Siri has no known physical appearance, it'd be interesting to see how it would appear in Smash... Black Vulpine  of the Furry Nation.  Furries make the internets go! :3  01:35, 13 November 2018 (EST)

Nickelodeon trivia point
I happened to have made a page with all the references made. Is it possible that we can link that page here? Writing out all the references will probably crowd up the section as well. Cookies Creme  21:40, September 27, 2019 (EDT)

Possible reference in PK Flash
So I noticed something while playing Mother 3 is that PK Flash is green as opposed to white like in EarthBound, and in Melee PK Flash is also green. Mother 3 released in 2006, about 5 years after Melee, so there is a possibility that PK Flash being green might be based on its appearence in Melee.

It is still possible that it might be a coincidence though so... yeah  what are your thoughts?  OmegαToαd64 •  the Best Kαrter  23:53, April 30, 2020 (EDT)
 * bump I guess 001Toad.jpg  OmegαToαd64 •  the Best Kαrter  09:01, May 18, 2020 (EDT)
 * While this could be a reference, it could also be a case of a franchise adopting a Smash Bros. aspect later in its series (which multiple series do, as evidenced by this very page). Aidan,  the Rurouni  11:15, May 18, 2020 (EDT)
 * K just making sure it counts before adding it in. 001Toad.jpg  OmegαToαd64 •  the Best Kαrter  19:24, May 19, 2020 (EDT)

Smash reference in the Dillon series?
So, there's some concept art for Dillon's Dead-Heat Breakers (which is viewable in-game, by the way, you just have to get good enough rankings on each stage), and one of them is of Dillon in a very similar pose to his trophy in Smash 4. For comparison: Considering this is just concept art, but it is actually viewable within the game itself, is it fine to add it here? SuperSmashTurtles of the  Turtle Tribe  09:16, July 16, 2020 (EDT)
 * Smash 4 trophy
 * DDHB concept art (This is probably the best quality it will be at until someone at The Spriter's Resource actually decides to rip this game)
 * Seems like it qualifies to me. Miles ( talk)   14:45, July 16, 2020 (EDT)

Fangames / Smash-inspired games
To avoid starting an edit war, do Rivals of Aether and Fraymakers really count for this page? The specific idea here is to document direct references to Smash, and I don't think games inspired by Smash should count because they don't directly reference the series. It's usually the opposite, actually, to avoid legal trouble. By extension, this would also apply to PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale. If nothing else, a separate section for them would be preferable to me. ~ StrawberryChan  (talk) 20:05, December 26, 2020 (EST)
 * Okay, well, I moved them to their own section, if nothing else. I'm still not sure they belong on this page, but I think that's a better solution. ~ StrawberryChan  (talk) 20:23, December 26, 2020 (EST)

I don't think, generally speaking, that we need to mention other platform fighters or crossover fighters just because they have general conceptual or gameplay overlap with Smash. This page is moreso for "this is intrinsically a reference to Smash" as opposed to a riff on the genre or concept. Kind of the difference between "this game has a cameo of a Metroid" versus "this is a sci-fi game focused on exploration". Miles ( talk)  20:48, December 26, 2020 (EST)
 * That's what I was thinking, too. Putting them into a separate section is at least a stopgap of sorts, but if anything, might be worth splitting to their own page (like Fan game). ~ StrawberryChan  (talk) 21:08, December 26, 2020 (EST)

Nick’s Super Brawl
I think Nick loves Smash clones too much, they may have a feti- 1. Super Brawl 2. Super Brawl 2 3. Super Brawl 3: Good Vs Evil 4. Super Brawl 4: Action Game 5. Super Brawl World 6. Super Brawl Universe 7. Smashfest

Should we just put Super Brawl as a series (& Smashfest as it’s own) RobbyB3ll4s (talk) 21:44, August 26, 2021 (EDT)

Sonic's pose- a reference or not?
Recently added references to Sonic's Brawl artwork, but they were cut due to supposedly being similar to a piece from Heroes. This is the closets resembling one: https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/File:SonicHedge.png I'd argue against this since this one looks like it's a thumbs up combined with a crossing arms. The angle is very different as well. While Sonic has been thumbs up for a long time in artwork, ever since Brawl artwork has had the same camera angle, angle of quills, placement of shoes. What do you guys think?Ma321 (talk) 17:39, November 8, 2021 (EST)

Nostalgia Critic
Is it allowed here? 174.55.24.64 01:37, May 28, 2022 (EDT)
 * He is a review channel, do you know how many of those exist? If we include him, then that opens the flood gates for tons more. --CanvasK (talk) 08:12, May 28, 2022 (EDT)

Pokémon master trainer
On Pokémon let’s go Pikachu and Eevee, there is a Machop master trainer named Masahiro. Do you think that is a Masahiro Sakurai reference? 174.55.24.64 19:52, June 12, 2022 (EDT)
 * Even if it is, you do know Mr. Sakurai has done more than Smash, right? It wouldn't be relevant to add that mention here. --CanvasK (talk) 19:55, June 12, 2022 (EDT)

Does this count?
Does this count as a reference?. https://old.reddit.com/r/MovieDetails/comments/whrb34/in_everything_everywhere_all_at_once_2022_the  Thegameandwatch    The Nerd  23:35, August 6, 2022 (EDT)