User talk:Air Conditioner/Archive 2

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I'm not good at this talk page thing :\ Do I reply here, or my own page? I've already replied on my page, just in case. http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/icons/353.png Mes  ux  elf  10:42, 9 December 2012 (EST)
 * Please reply on your own talk page. Also, your new image is also quite disruptive. Air   Conditioner  AC.png All together now! 10:49, 9 December 2012 (EST)

So someone told you they cheated in Mafia, eh?
I'd be interested to have a more thorough explanation next time you're on IRC (if you have one). Toomai Glittershine The Interspacial 18:07, 11 December 2012 (EST)
 * Since I do not have access to IRC at this time, I will explain it here. On another channel that Toast, theweirdomaxim and I all frequent, theweirdomaxim had an "Aha!" moment. Only problem: He was dead, and Toast, Havoc and JamesHeart were the only people left in the game. Theweirdomaxim pointed out that I had tried to lynch Havoc several times to Toast, which ultimately led to Toast lynching JamesHeart. Later, I realized that this was technically cheating. I then confronted theweirdomaxim, who said, "Yeah... I guess I did cheat... sorry about that," implying that he now understands it's against the rules and will not do it again. Air   Conditioner  AC.png My edit count 19:08, 11 December 2012 (EST)

???
What joke of yours did I steal? Smash Master   15:38, 13 December 2012 (EST)
 * Ahem. Air   Conditioner  AC.png  17:03, 13 December 2012 (EST)
 * Big deal. >_> Smash  Master   17:30, 13 December 2012 (EST)
 * Hey, you asked. Air   Conditioner  AC.png Jai guru deva om. 17:33, 13 December 2012 (EST)
 * Is that Japanese text referring to me? Smash  Master   20:39, 20 December 2012 (EST)
 * It's randomly selected from 69 different choices. Air   Conditioner  AC.png Maybe I'm crazy... 20:43, 20 December 2012 (EST)

Cleanup tags
Never remove them just because the person who added it didn't include a reason. If the lack of a reason bothers you, read the page and put the reason in yourself, don't remove the tag from a page that legitimately needs cleanup. Any edits of yours that were rollbacked from me are because of you removing a legitimate cleanup tag. Omega  Tyrant   03:20, 18 December 2012 (EST)
 * Okay, but for a lot of them, I legitimately didn't see much need for cleanup. Some articles were a bit stubby, maybe, or a bit incomplete, but there are separate tags for that. For example, a lot of tags I didn't remove that were later removed by others were kept because I saw that it really needed cleanup. I'll admit that some of my edits were in the wrong, but in some others, I explained my rationale in yet more, I just didn't see any reason for cleanup, and in still others, I was just changing an incorrect tag I'm not trying to avoid responsibility, but I would like an explanation of why those particular edits were reverted. Air   Conditioner  AC.png is your friendly neighborhood psychopath 15:00, 18 December 2012 (EST)
 * You didn't explain why the first one didn't need the cleanup tag, just saying "it doesn't need clean up" is not reasoning. Information being poorly organised (as the "squished together" means) is certainly something that needs cleaning up. Just because you're unable to fix it doesn't mean the page doesn't need cleaning up.


 * The second one, there's banter within the article that isn't really relevant, improper tense, results are not in proper format, and the ruleset is missing stuff (such as the legal counterpick stages).


 * The third one, notice how the tag explicitly states it's poorly written. The information there is messy and poorly organised, and should be put into table format.


 * Also, don't use rollover to say stuff in talk page posts. I didn't even noticed you had more to say until I went to edit here, and it just complicates seeing what you had to say. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 02:31, 19 December 2012 (EST)

I wanted to ask you something
If I remember correctly, you have said before that you could only be on IRC at specific times, right? But I kinda forgot them and I sometimes wonder if you would come on #sw or not, so maybe you can clear it up for me? Thanks in advance,  PSIWolf   The one   and only!  11:00, 24 December 2012 (EST)
 * Due to my astoundingly shitty internet, I cannot access IRC on this computer. However, it's winter break now, and I will be on more frequently through my other computer. Usually, I'm on at 7PM EST during weekends, so obviously you can't come on then. However, thanks to winter break, when I'm on is now very unpredictable. Air   Conditioner  AC.png Tomorrow never knows. 11:02, 24 December 2012 (EST)
 * Oh. So to make along story short it would be that you are on at times I'm asleep? Greeeat...--Wolfsig.png  PSIWolf  The one   and only!  11:05, 24 December 2012 (EST)
 * And also some other times, such as right now. :D Air   Conditioner  AC.png is the incompetent Brawler 11:20, 24 December 2012 (EST)

Appealing my block
I frankly believe that I was unfairly blocked. For one thing, when Toomai blocked me and Bandit, Omega Tyrant already had the entire thing under control. Second, I was not violating any policy, including NPA, as OT stated. Cursing is not a blockable offense. Thirdly, there was no warning given at all before the block. While I realize that giving a warning is not set in stone, because BLOCK is a guideline, not a policy, I most definitely feel like a warning should have been given in this situation. (In addition, "unnecessarily rude comments" is quite vague, I'm still not 100% sure what exactly I was blocked for.) Air   Conditioner   *cue dramatic music* 09:09, 31 December 2012 (EST)


 * Well, to quote OT, "someone lightheartedly vandalising a userpage of yours that you could easily revert is hardly reason to rage at them". And you went a little overboard with that rage. I of course can't know what Toomai thought if it, that's true. For the warning thing, you just gave no valid argument. To be precise, you actually contradicted yourself there by saying "While I realize that giving a warning is not set in stone, because BLOCK is a guideline, not a policy...".--Wolfsig.png  PSIWolf  The one   and only!  09:24, 31 December 2012 (EST)
 * Warnings should be given in situations like this. This is something very minor, and a warning would have easily been sufficient. After that, I said that I still felt like a warning should have been given; after all, OT already had the thing under control, so a block was unnecessary. Try to read the whole thing, please. Air   Conditioner  AC.png is your friendly neighborhood psychopath 09:29, 31 December 2012 (EST)


 * "OT had the whole thing under control"? Are you serious? OT giving a comment means that he has it under control? That's jsut bullshit. Though I personally do agree it was just a minor event and bandit deserves his block more than you do, if you had just gotten a warning, I should have been given one as well. Which didn't happen. I'll let Toomai, since he blocked you, or someone else handle thing this further, because my opinion on this would probably not help. I should just tell you you don't have to appeal to a block; it ain't gonna work.--Wolfsig.png  PSIWolf  The one   and only!  09:33, 31 December 2012 (EST)


 * Saying that you should have been given a warning as well is not a valid excuse. I agree that Toomai should have given you a warning as well, but that is irrelevant to this case. In addition, discussion of block appeals are generally to be limited to involved users and administrators. Also, yes, OT giving a comment means that he has it under control, as through "giving a comment," which was actually a decent compromise, he would have resolved the situation had not Toomai coincidentally blocked both Bandit and me at the same time. Air   Conditioner  AC.png This part of my signature intentionally left blank. 09:38, 31 December 2012 (EST)


 * Saying that you should have been given a warning as well is not a valid excuse.
 * An excuse for what?


 * discussion of block appeals are generally to be limited to involved users and administrators.
 * This is a wiki, anyone can comment on anything. I wasn't even trying to do anything an admin should, I'm just saying you might want to stop this as they are probably going to consider is bullshit, like me. At least I gave arguments.


 * In addition, I still can't see how OT jumping in would have immidiately undon everything both you and Bandit did wrong.--Wolfsig.png  PSIWolf  The one   and only!  09:42, 31 December 2012 (EST)


 * I understand that this is a wiki and anyone can comment on anything, but I was just quoting a guideline. Also, OT jumping in wouldn't have "undone" anything, I meant that it would have prevented the situation from getting worse, and would have resolved the situation. There are very few things that can be undone in life. Also, when I said "excuse," I meant it wasn't a valid refuation of my argument, sorry. Air   Conditioner  AC.png Who are you? 09:47, 31 December 2012 (EST)


 * Yeah, I get it. It would not have prevented the situation of getting worse though; the blocks you got were given to you for the rule violations you have both commited. That's why I said OT couldn't undo it, the blocks were probably still going to get handed to you. Also, I was given a block quite similar to  yours and especially bandit's and I got no warning either, so please rethink that "valid refunation of your argument" thing. Also, I'll just stop this conversation here, or it might look like I was doing an admin's job.--Wolfsig.png  PSIWolf   The one   and only!  09:59, 31 December 2012 (EST)


 * "Rule violations?" OT specifically said I wasn't violating any policy, and I highly doubt the blocks were still going to get handed to me and Bandit. Just because you got no warning, again, does not mean that you or I should not have gotten any warning. And OT, I quote, was "going to cut this now before it [got] anymore out of hand," and said that Bandit would find himself "on the receiving end of a block" if he did so again, implying that a block was unnecessary in this situation. Now, I mean no offense to you, and I understand that anyone can comment, but I think this situation would be best left to Toomai or another admin. Air   Conditioner  AC.png Je suis Rick Springfield. 10:04, 31 December 2012 (EST)


 * See my comment a mile way back. I said the excact same thing. Oh, and if a block was unnecessary, then why did I get one for almost the excact same things you two did without anyone saying it wasn't valid? I don't get it anymore either. It looks like OT and Toomai have different opinions. That does, however, not mean you should just blindly go with the one that would benefit you the most. I only repsonded to you in the first place to tell you that your fist comment was completely useless and actually rather unhelpful, yet it's still turned into some big fuss. This always happens for some reason.--Wolfsig.png  PSIWolf  The one   and only!  10:10, 31 December 2012 (EST)
 * The reason you got a block without anyone saying it wasn't valid was because you didn't bother to appeal it yourself. I've been trying to keep it from "turning into a big fuss," actually, I said multiple times that this would be best left in the hands of an admin. And I am not "blindly going with the one that would benefit [me] the most," I legitimately think that I should not have been blocked and also believe that a warning should have been given to both of us. I also think that your block was a bit too harsh, but the fact that you got blocked is irrelevant to this case. Now, please, can we wait until Toomai or some other admin makes a decision about this? Air   Conditioner  AC.png B.A., M.D., LL.M., Ph.D., M.B.A., Attorney at Law 10:15, 31 December 2012 (EST)

(edit conflict x10) The primary reason you were blocked is because I was informed that not doing so would be a double standard. Compared to the recent PSIWolf block of 3 days for saying "fuck you Smash Master" directly on his userpage (which really can't be construed as anything but a personal attack), you spread your apparent (and noted uncharacteristic) rudeness over three (talk page) edits, the first of which probably deserved a one-day block by itself just for being jerkish.

Yes I probably should have given out a warning. I don't have a solid, arguable reason as to why I didn't (all I have is "because I didn't for the PSIWolf block, and all these veterans should know better") so I won't bother trying, and I'm too frustrated by all this pointless discussion going on while I'm trying to post that I don't really care right now. (This is part of why the policy tells people to stay out of these discussions.) Had I taken even more time to make the decision, I would have seen OT's post and not done anything. Frankly though I expected him to do the blocks once he showed up, part of why I went through with it in the end.

So, more specific addressing of points:
 * 1) I didn't notice OT had posted until it was too late. By then it would be foolish to undo things.
 * 2) Even ignoring the swearing I couldn't read your first post (and third post, a bit) as not a personal attack.
 * 3) I have no excuse for not giving a warning. Maybe I'll cut a few hours off the block(s) for it but I probably won't. I'll let other admins make that decision if they want to.

I have attempted to ignore all the discussion on this page as it has no useful information. Toomai Glittershine The SMASH-GINEER 10:23, 31 December 2012 (EST)

PSIWolf, in regard to this comment of yours:

This is a wiki, anyone can comment on anything

While this is a Wiki, and technically anyone can edit and say something, it does not mean every talk page discussion requires your input. Read Sandvich9's talk page, and see what happens when everyone decides to chime in when they should just stay out of it. AirCon here was appealling his block, and as the blocking guidelines say that AirCon linked you, only the admins and whoever else was directly involved in the block should comment on the appeal. You are not an admin, and the only relevancy you have to this is being given a similar block a few days back. You just created additional noise, and prevented Toomai (the guy who should be addressing the appeal) from being able to actually address this. Before commenting on any talk page discussion (especially other user talkpage discussions), ask yourself if your input is required/wanted, and if your input will actually be constructive. And if it's something an admin should be replying to (like this), then don't comment at all, as your input isn't the one that is needed for the situation, and you potentially edit conflict the admin trying to reply (which happened here).

As for the bans, I was borderline on them, and I'm going to let them stand. For AirCon, he didn't directly violate any policies, but violating one isn't a necessary requirement to be banned. Yes he didn't do any personal attacks, but that doesn't mean overt, nonconstructive, and largely unprovoked rudeness/raging is acceptable. If this was AirCon's first offense, I may be willing to undo the ban, but he was banned for this before, and in my view, a warning isn't necessary when the user is committing an offense they have been banned for previously. For Bandit, he has a history of being an ass on the Wiki (and IRC), and received a long block for it not that long ago. Vandalising the userpage of another user (joke or malicious) that he was on bad terms with is just an idiotic idea, that would only serve to potentially cause a dispute with the user he vandalised the userpage of (as what happened here). Plus I would see it as rather unfair if he got away banfree while AirCon serves one. Omega  Tyrant   11:40, 31 December 2012 (EST)
 * Wait a moment... "banned for this before?" If I remember correctly, the first time, Toomai blocked me for, and I quote, "feeding a troll," which is quite different than "unnecessarily rude comments." Air   Conditioner  AC.png Come together! 15:25, 31 December 2012 (EST)
 * Wha? The listed ban reason from Toomai: "time out in the tongue department you two". The incident that your ban was a result of can be seen here. If there's anything regarding "trolling" there, you were trolling Smash Master, which then turned into a needless attack on him. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:47, 31 December 2012 (EST)
 * I meant I asked him on IRC shortly after my first ban, "By the way, what was I banned for?" referring to the first time, and he said something along the lines of "Continuously feeding a troll with no apparent sign of stopping." Air   Conditioner  AC.png IИ SФVIЗT ЯЦSSIД, SIGЙДTЦЯЭ SIGИ УФЦ! 16:51, 31 December 2012 (EST)
 * That wasn't "feeding a troll", and regardless of what someone calls it, what you did there was near identical to what you did on Bandit's talk page. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:55, 31 December 2012 (EST)

#starchat
See this. He did this twice, so I unbanned myself and banned him for abusing power. He then unbanned himself and I couldn't be bothered doing shit again. Thought you might want to know.--  PSIWolf  The one and only!  14:08, 1 January 2013 (EST)
 * Look I'm sorry that I banned you twice, but please don't criticize my topics, even if its just plain simple or nothing. Do  t  s  NintenNESsprite.png The Ocarina of Time 14:14, 1 January 2013 (EST)
 * I'm not going to lie, PSIWolf, you were a twat to Dots there. I don't blame Dots for trying to ban you to get you off his back. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 14:20, 1 January 2013 (EST)
 * Are you really bothering me about this? I'm on an IRC hiatus for a month, and I thought I said already that I was leaving DarkFox in charge of the channel. Air   Conditioner  AC.png has a soul of rubber 14:27, 1 January 2013 (EST)
 * And finally, I'd like to say that Dots was right. Yes, his topic was fucking stupid, but you don't have to change the topic to reflect that. Also, your topic "fagets" was even worse. Air   Conditioner  AC.png I am the man who arranges the blocks. 14:35, 1 January 2013 (EST)


 * I like that Toast calling someone a twat, and AC effing and blinding all over the place is now somehow acceptable on this wiki. Glad to see it hasn't gone down hill at all in the past few years. Nope. That is definitely not what has happened.  Penguin  of  Death   17:46, 1 January 2013 (EST)
 * I don't think that helped at all.... Do  t  s  NintenNESsprite.png The Arwing 19:42, 1 January 2013 (EST)
 * "AC effing and blinding all over the place is now somehow acceptable on this wiki."


 * Clearly someone didn't read the previous section on this talk page. Before bitching about the apparent Wiki going downhill, do a very basic amount of research that is right in front of your face? Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:28, 1 January 2013 (EST)
 * He knows about my block. :\ Air   Conditioner  AC.png You say you want a revolution? 20:30, 1 January 2013 (EST)
 * Clearly not, as he claimed we found your behavior to be acceptable, when you were blocked for it and had your ban appeal denied by both active admins. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:35, 1 January 2013 (EST)
 * I told him about it on Steam chat while trying to ask him to revert the vandalism to the Moveset swap page, so I'm not quite sure why he said that. If you care about it that much, you'll have to ask him. Air   Conditioner  AC.png is a certified whack-job 20:38, 1 January 2013 (EST)


 * Seriously, what is it that makes you people always go on and make a huge deal out of tiny things? AC didn't even tell me he left #starchat to darkfox, Toast has nothing to do with it, I might have been rude saying "shut the fuck up" to dots, but that is certainly not worth a ban.  "You set fucking horrible topics" is not even directed at dots, but is just my opinion. Wow, what a big deal! Let's ban that motherfucker!


 * If AC had told me he left in the first place, this would not have happened. I recall dots saying he won't do it again, and I didn't want to do it either, but yet again you people turn it into some huge thing. I really, really hate that.--Wolfsig.png  PSIWolf  The one and only!  02:48, 2 January 2013 (EST)
 * Can we all just shut up about this already? Discussing this has been nothing but bickering back and forth, not at all constructive to Wiki atmosphere.  Docto rP a i n 9 9  {ROLLBACKER} 14:17, 2 January 2013 (EST)

Can't say I would have done that
We will have articles for the Wii U GamePad and Wii U Pro Controller within seconds of them being confirmed for usage with SSB4. Now people can't have the glory of making an article, they'll instead have to article-ify some redirect. Toast ltimatum 23:08, 6 January 2013 (EST)
 * ...So? Air Conditioner AC.png Four years ago? Opium. 14:51, 7 January 2013 (EST)
 * The happiness of seeing a legitimate on Recent Changes. Gone. Obliterated. All because you made a redirect when the redirect itself will later become a full article. Pitiable. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngtumTransparent Swadloon.png 15:05, 7 January 2013 (EST)
 * Remind me who cares again. Air Conditioner AC.png I've got my Orange Crush. 15:08, 7 January 2013 (EST)

Mafia timing
Out of curiosity, what's the closest to Saturdays at 2:00pm EST you can get for Mafia? Or is Saturday in its entirety no good? Toomai Glittershine The Honcho 19:24, 26 January 2013 (EST)
 * My availability on Saturdays is extremely erratic, so the closest I can get on Saturday is 7:00 PM EST, which obviously won't work. Air Conditioner AC.png Number nine, number nine... 09:02, 27 January 2013 (EST)