User talk:Zeldasmash/Recovery SSBB Tier List

It's better, but I think Kirby's still a little bit too high. Mr. Anon teh awsome Anon  Sir Anon  the great  18:47, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, Diddy Kong should be higher. Keep in mind that he can go under Final Destination, and he can wall cling. Mr. Anon teh awsome  Anon  Sir Anon  the great  18:48, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

How is this? Zelda smash  20:32, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * When replying to something, type : at the begining. Add one more if someone already responded. (If they put ::, you put :::)-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 23:17, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because Kirby relies on FC to recovery, but it doesn't give much horizontal distance. Diddy Kong has his side special and a great Up special, and because of this he can go under FD. Mr. Anon teh awsome  Anon  Sir Anon  the great  01:29, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Never Mind. I didn't see that you had already made the changes. It's pretty good. You might even want to submit this to SWF as the official recovery tier list, although there might be some things I haven't spotted. Let's see what others think. Mr. Anon teh awsome  Anon  Sir Anon  the great  01:31, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you shouldn't submit this list, it is heavily flawed. You may like Link, but he is definitely no better than second last. If you're willing to listen to my criticism, I'll be on the IRC. But do not actually try to submit this to SWF. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 01:46, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes i will listen. Zelda  smash  02:00, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * ZS. Charizard can glide, which can lead to great recoveries. It is not that low.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 05:27, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right about that. Yoshi is also too high. Mr. Anon teh awsome  Anon  Sir Anon  the great  06:22, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lucas should be higher as well. Zap Jump majorly increases hi recovery, along with other moves he has.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 07:12, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * @OT, I meant after this has gone through all the "proofreading" from the rest of us. Mr. Anon teh awsome  Anon  Sir Anon  the great  17:31, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Falcon is also too high. His recovery is not better than Ganondorf's. Mr. Anon teh awsome  Anon  Sir Anon  the great  17:35, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, Captain Falcon's recovery is 6x better than Ganondorf. Captain Falcon has the 5th best air speed n the game and he has excellent vertical recovery and decent horizontal recovery. Ganondorf is terrible in both. Zelda  smash  18:44, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

I hate to break it to you guys, but there is no way this will ever get accepted by SWF as the "official" recovery tier list. First, there is not and will never be such a thing. The point of the tier list is to look at the aggregate performance of characters in tournament play and predict on the macro scale. Short of documenting every recovery ever attempted in tourneys and trying to assign some semblance of quantitative analysis, this just won't happen. Second, you're not going to see them take a single person's tier list as official, ever. The tier lists are extensively discussed by many people in the back room, all of whom are actively involved in the professional scene. Which brings me to the final point, that the Backroom simply won't care what you have to say. This isn't an indictment on you; they wouldn't really care what I have to say either. But from their perspective, they handpick the members of the Backroom to make sure they are dealing with the most knowledgeable members of the community, and those who have the most data to work with. If you want to put this on SWF to get some opinions on it, go for it. But if you tell them you want to make it the Official Recovery Tier List be ready for some hardcore flaming. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 17:53, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, C. Hawk is right, one person can't make an official recovery tier list (even if its M2K doing it). I know mine sucks but at least I'm not yelling about it being official. Also you have Link way too high! Doc King (talk) 21:47, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Link may have an abysmal recovery but he has a wide variety of options to help him with that. (Clwashot, Bomb Recovery, Gale Boomerang (slightly) and a damage wall jump (if Link hits a wall when hit by the bomb and you press the L, Z or side control). That's why i put him 32 instead of last or a bottom tier. Zelda  smash  00:28, August 15, 2010 (UTC)