Talk:Super Smash Bros. 4/Archive 2

The quotes...
...that show up in the trivia that OT just added are...not right. I would fix it, but I can't as the page is protected.  Docto rP a i n 9 9  {ROLLBACKER} 21:13, 13 September 2012 (EDT)
 * That happened because I typed it out for him on IRC, including italics, but somewhere along the lines, the characters turned into something else. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 05:56, 14 September 2012 (EDT)
 * I wasn't aiming for speech marks either, they're supposed to make the game and TV show names italic. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 13:03, 14 September 2012 (EDT)


 * There is also a survey running in Japan for who should be in SSB4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SmashBroBB (talk • contribs) 15:16, 11 November 2012

The Simpsons trivia
Honestly, I think that information would be more suited for a page about the Smash series in popular culture like Zelda cameos. Magiciandude (talk) 02:01, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
 * The trivia is about this specific game though, and I don't think there's enough material to create an article devoted to references outside the series. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:08, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
 * I'm not even a member of this wiki and I still realize that this belongs on a Simpsons wiki, at best. By allowing this, if Jay Leno mentions the game in a monologue, that deserves a record in the Trivia section.  Seems... wrong, doesn't it? --76.6.209.146 05:14, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
 * The trivia specifically refers to this game, how is that not relevant? Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 05:22, 16 September 2012 (EDT)

Are we sure the trivia is real? I watched the episode online and didn't see the reference. The Simpsons Wiki didn't have it (and they have a page devoted to the episode's references), nor did a straight Google search yield results. So unless somebody sees what I seem to be missing, I suggest we take it down.  James Heart  123  06:16, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
 * I got the information from Drakon64, you might want to ask him. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 07:22, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Didn't think I would be back but the links to Wikisimpsons drew me back here, and to find this discussion. The info is false, I have just re-watched the scene to find nothing. We have had several other people watch the scene to find nothing about a SSB parody game. Seems fake to me. Solar Dragon  ( Talk •  Contribs. ) 17:29, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
 * I shall remove it then. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Keymaster 17:33, 16 September 2012 (EDT)

Redirect
This page links to Rumor, which should link to List of rumors to avoid a redirect. Red (talk) 14:24, 5 December 2012 (EST)
 * There's generally nothing wrong with linking to redirects; I'm personally not convinced this case is special. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Golden 16:41, 5 December 2012 (EST)

Released on which platforms?
I'm wondering if it's going to release for Wii too. It probably will, because some people would want to play the game, although they don't have a 3DS or a WiiU.Sandvich9 (talk) 16:46, 28 January 2013 (EST)
 * Except it won't, because the game is designed to run in 60fps with a strong online service on the Wii U, while the 3DS version has different dimensions, slightly different graphics, and big games like Super Smash Bros. are used to make those people buy the superior systems to what they currently own. Development has already begun on the Wii U and Nintendo 3DS, Sakurai probably have told us if they were making it for Wii. So get yourself down to the store and get a Wii U, Nintendo won't satisfy you if you don't. Heck, by the time SSB4 comes out, the Wii will be super-out-of-date. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngtumTransparent Swadloon.png 17:14, 28 January 2013 (EST)
 * I'm sorry. I don't need a WiiU because I have a 3DS.Sandvich9 (talk) 17:20, 28 January 2013 (EST)
 * Eh, I wouldn't have that attitude, the console version is pretty much assured to be superior to the 3DS version. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:40, 28 January 2013 (EST)

Pictures
Sakurai said that game's pictures will be released by June 11 to June 13, by then we should get some information about the game. Mario is   awesome  118   20:21, 8 March 2013 (EST)

Screenshots and trailer
On January 2013, Sakurai announced that the first screenshots of the game would be shown at E3 this year on June 11 to June 13. Rumors about a trailer have also been spreading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Santana Lopez (talk • contribs) 10:54, 13 March 2013 (EDT)


 * I hate it when people on YouTube troll other viewers into thinking they have leaked footage and trailers of the game GOSH IT IS SO ANNOYING!!!

Change to semi-protected
It's just a week to when we expect to get heaps of info. Should we downgrade this article's protection to allow autoconfirmeds? Toomai Glittershine The Steppin' 12:11, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I still wouldn't trust such a large amount of people editing it, because this page would turn out to be a mess. Leave it to only a few. Awesome   Cardinal   2000  16:45, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Seconding Cardinal on this one. Better to have the admins filtering the content onto this page and potentially others that may be created. It's not like we won't be around. We can probably lower the protection to auto-confirmed a bit after E3. Miles ( talk)   16:52, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I hate restrictions on editors like this, but I, reluctantly, agree that the page should be fully protected during the E3 period, but should be downgraded to semi-protected immediately afterward. DoctorP a i n 9 9  18:08, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Would have to agree with DP99 and Ac2k. This page can be targeted with vandalism and nonsense when E3 comes around. You can change it to semi-protection after E3. Do  t  s  [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Happy 18:15, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Concur with all of the above. Roy  boy  X   Talk  19:19, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Agree, and I should add that traffic on this page may be rather high during the E3 period; we must be able to edit the article in a controlled manner. Mr.  Anon Anon.png talk   22:36, 4 June 2013 (EDT)

Sakurai confirmed it's gonna be a video
--> (Google translated)--> Should note. In Nintendo Direct delivery of 23:00, June 11, New video of "Smash Bros." will be unveiled for the first time. Simultaneous world, here for the first time! Do not miss.  --HavocReaper 48  13:44, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I thought I had added this a few hours ago but apparently didn't. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Golden 13:52, 6 June 2013 (EDT)

Nintendo will not be at E3
That means no SSB4 trailer. Terrible  is   May Flowers  16:18, 10 June 2013 (EDT)
 * They're still having a Nintendo Direct during E3, in place of the standard presentations at the show. The SSB4 trailer being part of that Direct was confirmed by Sakurai himself on Twitter. Miles ( talk)   16:36, 10 June 2013 (EDT)

MEGAMAN
MEGAMAN IS CONFIRMED HOLY BALLS. --Lasifer (talk) 10:41, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Characters confirmed in the trailer: Mario, Donkey Kong, Link (Skyward Sword?), Kirby, Samus, Fox, Pikachu, Pit, Villager, and Mega Man. I'll be adding these in a moment. Miles ( talk)   10:45, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

That was NOT Skyward Sword Link... BUT STATUE OF THE GODDESS FROM SKYWARD SWORD IS CONFIRMED AS A MAP lolololololololololololololololololololololololollawllawllol

Stages?
Could we have list of the stages that were shown along with where they are from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertman2 (talk • contribs) 14:45, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
 * List of confirmed stages in SSB4. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngtumTransparent Swadloon.png 15:01, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

Thanks.

Wii Fit Trainer.
Well then. Toast ltimatum 15:00, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

WHAT IS THIS.




What the hell is this? Please tell me this isn't real, otherwise, I'm not buying this game. --Lasifer (talk) 15:01, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I'd buy the game as long as you don't have to play as her to unlock any other secret characters or stages. Mr.  Anon Anon.png talk   15:03, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

Wii Fit Trainer? That makes no sence. Smash Master   15:12, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

- Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 15:22, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Sakurai explains his reasons more in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQD1yJinzeQ Mr.  Anon Anon.png talk   15:22, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Now that I think of it, it's a pretty original character. She will probably turn out quite interesting. - Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 15:33, 11 June 2013 (EDT)


 * Yeah, my rage ended and I see her being a unique and interesting addition to the roster. --Lasifer (talk) 15:37, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

Sounds like she is a good character, but I will only use her if she has the male trainer as a color change.
 * This is not what talk pages are used for. Also, sign your comments. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:17, 18 July 2013 (EDT)

Punch-Out Stage?
I'm thinking the new "Unknown stadium" stage is actually a Punch-Out stage based off the 2009 installment in the same franchise, take a look-   Only difference in the mat is that the central logo is now the Smash logo. So what do you guys think? Could this be a subtle hint to Little Mac's appearance in this installment? --Lasifer (talk) 22:41, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
 * The color of the mat and the colors on the ropes as well as the color placement are exactly the same, Logo in the center aside, I think it's likely for Little Mac to seal a spot. --Lasifer (talk) 01:10, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

Stage excluvises
It isn't mentioned in the article that Sakurai said in the video the stage differences will be based on the console and handheld games for the Wii U and 3DS respecitvely. Magiciandude (talk) 00:10, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

Game name
Isn't the name of the game(s) officially Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS? - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 04:03, 12 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Yeah, the games are not "untitled." On Nintendo's E3 site, "X"'s name is labeled to be tentative, but Super Smash Bros. is not.  And in the developer direct, Sakurai specifically states that the handheld version is called "Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS" and that the home console version is called "Super Smash Bros. for Wii U."  There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that those are anything but the games' official titles.GreenMamba (talk) 13:09, 12 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I find myself a bit disappointed with those names, but that's how it is. Although, if the games are widely referred to as simply SSB4 by the smashing community, this could be kept as its title. - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 16:36, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Elsewhere on Nintendo's E3 site, the versions are simply referred to as "Super Smash Bros." Sounds like placeholder names to me, though we can't be sure for the time being. Miles ( talk)   16:43, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * These are the final names. Sakurai has confirmed it to IGN. Magiciandude (talk) 21:18, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * SSB4 refers to both for now, regardless of official name. Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 21:34, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Conjecture titles should never be in place of official titles. Wikipedia has it listed as Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U, and this article should follow suit as well. Unless you want it to call it Super Smash Bros. (2014 game). But I digress, we should be using the official name by Nintendo, not fan names. Magiciandude (talk) 21:49, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * SmashWiki is not official


 * Besides that, Smash 4 is the common name, and much easier (and simpler) to use than the needlessly long Wikipedia title. Eventually the WiiU and 3DS games will get their own article (where they can go by their official titles), where this will then be a disambiguation page for them. For now though, this title is fine for an article that refers to both games. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:36, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Oh in that case, then I completely agree. Magiciandude (talk) 23:27, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

Even though SSB4 is the common name and therefore worthy of the title, there should be an unofficial lingo marker on the page, as there are no official sources referring to the game as "Super Smash Bros. 4" Mr.  <font color="midnightblue">Anon  talk   14:04, 14 June 2013 (EDT)

Protection
I propose, now that the biggest introductory infodump at E3 is over, that we do two things regarding protection: Thoughts? Miles ( talk)  01:08, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * 1) Reduce this article's protection to autoconfirmed, and
 * 2) Increase the "Character (SSB4)" pages' protection to autoconfirmed.
 * I'm in support of this. The character pages are attracting too much speculation, and the users can now be trusted enough to edit this article without adding speculation and crap of the ilk. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 01:43, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I agree, that would be a big convenience for users like myself. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngtumTransparent Swadloon.png 08:18, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I can agree with this. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Altruistic 09:52, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Agree. Do  t  s  [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Gold 12:15, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Support <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;"><font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP a i n 9 9  17:41, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

Fused Smash Bros 4 Logo
Hello all. Anyway while watching the trailers for Wii Fit Trainer and Megaman, i noticed how in the end it shows a fusion of the smash bros logos and I was trying to render those for the wiki. But I had no luck, they didn't come out good at all. One is with a black background and you can see the white fade around the text easier, the other is with a white background, with the text for 3DS and WiiU being black and easier to see, like the current logos on the site. I was thinking of working with both to make just one, for the sake of the wiki article. But nothing I did seemed to work out all that well. Thought I'd post these here and see if one of you guys could take a crack at it. Ixbran (talk) 22:35, 17 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Good effort, but since you reminded me I found the official version from the press kit and will add it. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Producer 22:37, 17 June 2013 (EDT)


 * Yay, I'm helping! *dances* Ixbran (talk) 22:40, 17 June 2013 (EDT)

Mewtwo back?
This article hints that Mewtwo may be back in his new form, and I hope so. -- ﾚ∆ㄅ <span style="background-color: #000000; box-shadow: 0px 0px 10px #461B7E; border-radius:10px 10px 10px 10px;"> 17:28, 19 June 2013 (EDT)
 * "Mewtwo was a fan favorite"


 * "Replaced by Lucario"


 * Bah, this article's author is dumb. But anyway, I don't really think this merits mention in the article. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 00:43, 20 June 2013 (EDT)


 * I've never played Melee before, so I would REALLY like to play as Mewtwo for once, especially in a new Smash game. -The Ultimate Smasher(AKA, TUS) 17:38, 12 July 2013 (ADT, or Western Australian Time or whatever)

Possible new Assist Trophy
I was looking at the Super smash bros 4 site and I say this: Is it possible that Gyroid might be a New Assist Trophy (If there is going to be Assist Trophies again), or is it just a stage element? Anyone got any idea what special moves the Gyroid will do? Gamefan759 (talk) 23:46, 26 June 2013 (EDT)
 * The fact that it is behind a fence makes it quite likely this Gyroid is simply a background character, as are the other Animal Crossing series characters seen in previous SSB4 screenshots. Miles ( talk)   00:13, 27 June 2013 (EDT)

Release date on June 15, 2014?
Came across this shortly. Now I'm just wondering if this is legit as Smashboards said so as they got it from Amazon. Do t  s   The Arceus 19:38, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
 * It's likely a placeholder and is only on the italian Amazon site (not the American). <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;"><font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP a i n 9 9  19:48, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
 * It's a placeholder, look at the cover art. <font style="font-family:arial narrow"><font style="color:royalblue">Lightning <font style="color:darkblue">Blue 405MS.png 19:53, 29 June 2013 (EDT)

Probably won't happen, but still:
Does anyone else think it would be cool if they added Steve (Minecraft)? I mean, it probably wont happen with steve being owned by Mojang, BUT STILL, I think he'd be a cool charactor. Who agrees?NMB (talk) 11:38, 8 July 2013 (EDT)
 * TALK


 * Talk pages are for discussing the content of the article and ways to improve it, not to chat about the subject of the article. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:43, 8 July 2013 (EDT)

Oh. Yeah, sorry. I just joined, so, I'll often need to be reminded of rules. NMB (talk) 11:52, 8 July 2013 (EDT)
 * And for the record, Steve wouldn't be cool at all. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngtumTransparent Swadloon.png 09:20, 9 July 2013 (EDT)

Steve would be cool, but he is not in any way affiliated with Nintendo. If Minecraft was released for the Wii or WiiU, then there would be a very slight chance of it. But mojang has no plans to do so at the moment, so chances are that wont happen. And this topic belongs on a forum, not a talk page.--68.117.179.164 20:06, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Did you not see my post above? Talk pages are not to muse about the article's subject. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:17, 18 July 2013 (EDT)

Console-exclusive characters
I just re-watched the Nintendo Developer Direct for Smash 4 (this one) and was focused on this one sentence: "The total number of characters will be the same for [the Wii U].". This seems as though there will be console-exclusive characters, like Olimar (who will likely be Wii U exclusive, as Sakurai previously stated that it is hard to code two people-like the Ice Climbers-for the 3DS). 99.241.84.54 06:05, 12 July 2013 (EDT)


 * He already stated in a later interview that both versions would have the exact same characters. Ixbran (talk) 06:08, 12 July 2013 (EDT)


 * Ever heard of going back on a statement? Rick  Tommy  06:57, 12 July 2013 (EDT)


 * I seriously doubt Sakurai would do that to his fanbase after already saying it wouldn't happen. It would really alienate A LOT of fans if he did that, and he knows that, therefor wont do it. why are you people so eager to look for the bad in him, and ignore the good? From what I know, Sakurai has never been one to ever go back on his word, so lets just expect he will keep to his word, and not make a pointless argument over this you guys. Ixbran (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2013 (EDT)


 * There isn't video (as far as I know) of Sakurai saying that the characters will be the same. I think it might be possible that the author of the article misunderstood Sakurai. Chuck  Norris  24.png  08:08, 12 July 2013 (EDT)
 * That's because it's not in video form, it was in an interview. Probably IGN's. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngtumTransparent Swadloon.png 08:14, 12 July 2013 (EDT)

This discussion has been veering off into irrelevancy. Sakurai has stated characters will be the same (and subsequently said characters may get cut because of space issues on the 3DS, which wouldn't be an issue at all on the Wii U, so he's clearly intent at the moment on having the same cast between games). Whether he's goes back on it or not is not relevant, and is purely speculative. We're going to state in the article what he said, as those are the facts at this time, and if he does end up going back on it, then there's more information for the article in the future.

So yeah, don't derail about what Sakurai might or might not do about something he said. Omega  Tyrant   08:15, 12 July 2013 (EDT)

What most likely happened are the combined facts that they've revealed Olimar to promote Pikmin 3 on Wii U, and the Wii U is the primary console they'll be focusing on due to the difficulty of programming an HD next-gen game. They finished programming Olimar into the Wii U game first, and to coincide with Pikmin 3, released his info first.  --HavocReaper 48  13:50, 12 July 2013 (EDT)

A Lot of Characters Wanted
There's a bunch of characters I want for SSB4. Pokémon Trainer is and will always be someone I want for the game. Mewtwo, with its Final Smash as Psystrike, would help too, and it could change into its new form with that move. Bowser Jr. is someone I want as a newcomer. I'd like Mr. Game & Watch to return, but really only as an unlockabe novelty, like all other games. I want a Meta Knight that isn't broken in this game. I'd also want Wolf to return, too. Yoshi is the only member from the original 8 not to be comfirmed, so I'd like him to return. I also want Luigi and Jigglypuff. Any other suggestions? Write them here! --Meinfoo22 (talk) 16:59, 13 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Talk pages are not to be used to muse about the article's subject. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:02, 13 July 2013 (EDT)

OK. I joined not too long ago, and that was m first time talking on a talk page. I still need to learn the rules. But I'm sorry! --Meinfoo22 (talk) 17:46, 13 July 2013 (EDT)

Correct me if I'm wrong
...but I believe the release year should be specified in the article. <span style="background:rgba(255, 255, 0, 0.25);font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(357.75,100%,50%)">Bandit 23:51, 13 July 2013 (EDT)
 * When has the release date been official announced? Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:54, 13 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Sakurai announced that the game is going to be released in 2014 at E3. <span style="background:rgba(255, 255, 0, 0.25);font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(0,100%,50%)">Bandit 00:00, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
 * I agree. OT, the release year is said to be 2014 here, if that counts. - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 02:43, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Didn't it also say 2014 in the E3 trailer? <font style="color:#0000FF">S <font style="color:#7F7FFF">c <font style="color:#00FFFF">r <font style="color:#FF7F00">7 Wolfsig.png 02:44, 14 July 2013 (EDT)