User talk:Miles of SmashWiki/Archive15

So apparently
...when you put temporary sysop protection on the tier list page, once it expired, the page went to being completely unprotected and nobody noticed. Just letting you know so neither of us make that mistake again. Toomai Glittershine Da Bomb 11:21, 23 March 2015 (EDT)
 * I don't know why I assumed it would just default back to the previous level. Still though, I guess it's good that we are made aware. Miles ( talk)   11:29, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

Well...
Their's also Hyeden Walch as Viridi. Also I never said that the Koopalings were supposed to be playable, I just said that they should be playable due to differences with Bowser Jr. Andrew Rannels was the voice of Nightmare and rumors before he was put in said that he would reprise his role, but I compared the versions and they're both the same. And Riki, okay that's not notable enough. But what about the Metal Sonic Skin Leak, that was very well known, so should I add that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nintenzilla (talk • contribs) (multiple edits)
 * In general: if you aren't sure if a piece of trivia is notable enough, ask on a talk page first. Miles ( talk)   17:24, 26 March 2015 (EDT)

Did you know
There will be a Nintendo Direct tomorrow. (Add sig here)
 * That may be a rumor. We don't know. The fact that it's supposedly for April 1st is kinda suspicious...
 * Sign your comments with ~ . Don't just put (Add sig here).
 * Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 13:20, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

Click the Recycle bin on your desktop.
Then right-click "Sense of humour" and pick "Restore". plzkthx Toomai Glittershine The Engineer 00:24, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

[splurged sections] Don't be such a downer. It's April Fools Day! Let us have our freedom. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura  00:24, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
 * If there weren't a Direct today with a good chance of containing actual factual shit we should be reporting accurately, I'd feel differently. As it stands, though, I think we should keep it to things that aren't actual articles. I know it's a buzzkill, but it's also less work to clean up afterwards since we won't have joke edits and real updates interspersed. Miles ( talk)   00:25, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
 * The news section is intact, and we can fix all the jokes before the Direct begins (at 6pm EDT, so stuff can stick around most of the day). Even then, people aren't really saying "hey this got revealed today". Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Jiggy 00:27, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
 * If you take personal responsibility for cleaning up every single joke edit outside the userspace before then, fine. Miles of Buzzkill will just stay off the site until then. (meanie) Miles ( talk)   00:29, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Well, I kind of expect perpetuators to clean up their own messes, but okay, it's on. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brazen 00:33, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
 * I honestly wouldn't mind helping as well, if that's alright. The more, the merrier. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 00:34, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Of course I'll help Serpent King (talk) 00:35, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

On one hand, it's Miles being Miles. On the other hand, sturgeon law applies, and giving free reign of the mainspace to the entire userbase is leading to articles mostly being filled with unfunny shit and memes just thrown around without any actual joke (I'm looking at you Requiem of Ice), that will only become worse as the day goes on, which I think overall makes the wiki reflects as "le reddit meme" and not as being actually clever with its April Fools, while also making it more frustrating for legitimate readers. I was going to do some cleanup of such while keeping the more decent stuff, but then I realised what was the point, when more shit is going to come, and you'll get edit wars over what's "funny" and what isn't with no clear resolution to such.

Yeaaahhhh....I'm with Miles on this one on keeping the April Fools out of the mainspace except for a few admin-handled articles relevant to the main (and actually good) joke. Omega  Tyrant   04:44, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Okay I will admit things have gotten a bit out of hand. Once this is over, I will draft more stringent rules for mainspace joking, as opposed to just letting anyone do anything. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Quintonic 12:44, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

Just saying
According to SW:ADMIN, "They are usually entrusted to mediate user disputes, arbitrate users, and interpret policy during times of argument." As far as I can tell, you usually do none of this. You often begin user disputes by presenting your personal opinion as fact, and although you do arbitrate it is often only in situations where it's you vs. the people or otherwise when you're involved (and an arbitrator should always be a third-party chosen by both sides of the argument), and you never present the policy when involved in such arguments, instead resorting to your own often inaccurate opinions and presenting them as fact. Although this entire message is fueled by your removal of the DLC section, it happens regularly, which can be proven if you scroll through your archives and see all of the messages from users AND OTHER ADMINS requesting that you calm down, stop getting involved, or restore your sense of humor.

Now excuse me as I run and hide from the replies which will likely include non-thought-through excuses, threats of punishment, people who need not even be reading this getting involved for no reason, etc. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 18:07, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
 * In the discussion that prompted this message of yours, you also presented your opinion as fact. Therefore the rest of your complaint is invalid. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Frivolous 18:11, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
 * I presented very little as fact. The only thing that isn't necessarily fact that I presented as fact was that there is a large difference between starters/unlockables and DLC, whereas Miles entire argument was based on his opinion. Not to mention that isn't the only thing I complained about here, nor why I left the message. I didn't tell him this so he'd shut up and let me do what I want, I told him this so that he could become a better admin and make this Wiki a better place. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 18:16, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Política
Be a big, understandable admin Kappa 108.194.146.62 19:50, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Yo
About that cleanup, I only put it there because I was cutting it all down at the moment, and I followed up with that, making the notice unnecessary. Just wanted to let you know that it's all been taken care of. Kid_X (talk) 00:57, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

Ok dude, I understand where you are coming from about the cleanup warnings on some of the attribute sections, but just check the Brawl attribute pages; they are about twice as long as these already-short ones, so if those are acceptable, these much tinier ones should also be. Just something for you to consider. Kid_X (talk) 01:16, 5 April 2015 (EDT)
 * There's a lot of bloat on the Character (SSB_) pages, so I'll work on tagging those too over time. Miles ( talk)   01:19, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

About the Debug Menu page
I personally think that the DEVELOP MODE Game Controls section should be a subpage. What do you think? Serpent King ( talk ) 21:24, 6 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Wouldn't hurt. Miles ( talk)   00:38, 7 April 2015 (EDT)

Alright, Miles. I think I have done everything I can for this. You're up, mate :D. (I'm copying this because I realize that you are more likely to see it here.)   Serpent King  ( talk ) 21:32, 8 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Don't worry, I saw. I'm just juggling a bunch of different things at this point in time. I'll try and take a look soon. Miles ( talk)   22:17, 8 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Alright sorry to pester SKSig.png  Serpent King  ( talk ) 22:37, 8 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Do you think it's ready? I do. Serpent King  ( talk ) 18:48, 21 April 2015 (EDT)
 * All of the Melee debug pages? I would think we'd want to implement them all at once. Miles ( talk)   21:27, 21 April 2015 (EDT)
 * You mean my sound test page? I guess we could, but know that that is a very slow process. Serpent King  ( talk ) 18:12, 22 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Your call. The only other thing I was going to say was perhaps we should implement something for "Debug menu (SSB)" at the same time, but I don't know how much that matters. Miles ( talk)   20:17, 22 April 2015 (EDT)
 * We can leave it down for a little while longer, just to see what happens. As for the SSB debug menu, I can get into it, but know that as of right now, I know nothing about it. Serpent King  ( talk ) 00:08, 23 April 2015 (EDT)

(reset indent) Tried and failed to access debug mode in SSB. Project 64 is confusing. In other words, I will not be going in depth on ssb64's debug menu. Serpent King ( talk ) 20:35, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Then just mainspace your "Debug menu (SSBM)" subpages when you're done, and leave "Debug menu (SSB)" for someone else. Miles ( talk)   20:36, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Should I create a stub using this? Serpent King  ( talk ) 20:39, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Eh, either way. The issue involves what you leave on the main page versus what you split, as with stuff like Alternate costume. Miles ( talk)   21:07, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Question: would it be a good idea to make this a subpage? Reason being that users should be able to see the control page without waiting forever for the stage images to load (similar principle to the Melee Character Hitbox pages.) Serpent King  ( talk ) 12:58, 26 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Yeah, the image load on that is pretty hefty. That would be a good choice. Miles ( talk)   14:11, 26 May 2015 (EDT)

(reset indent) Done. Also split the code table into a subpage. I just have to write the remaining intros for the stage data page, then I plan on mainspacing them both. This is a long, long project that I am growing more and more sick of. I'll be glad to see it done. Serpent King ( talk ) 15:51, 26 May 2015 (EDT)

Lucas Smash 4 Page
I have recently made an edit to the Lucas (SSB4) page. The image of Lucas wasn't completely accurate, as it had an orange background, and it looked like this: File:Lucas SSB4.jpg I wanted to help by putting a better image in its place. Soon, I did, and it looked like this: File:LucasSSB4.png So, I took off the old image and put up the new one. Shortly afterwards, you undid the edit. Why? -Jamescamden05 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 11 April 2015
 * As I've repeatedly stated: show me a Nintendo-official source that uses a transparent render of that quality, otherwise we are not using it. We don't use fan-edited images or renders; see IMAGE. Also, please sign talk page posts with ~ . Miles ( talk)   15:36, 11 April 2015 (EDT)

Hello, it's me again. I have come to inform you that the image that I had used is not fan-art. I had found this image on the wiki. Please respond as quickly as possible. -Jamescamden05 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 11 April 2015
 * It was uploaded previously and rejected previously for the same reason I've already explained. Miles ( talk)   16:56, 11 April 2015 (EDT)

Shiny Mewtwo
In your edit reason you said you posted a comparison but it's not there. Regardless, concensus is that the color is close enough that it's clear it represents or 'resembles' the Shiny. No one is saying its actually identical to the Shiny. There are several colors on the page that are a lot more of a stretch than pointing out the similarity between light green and blueish light green. They're even more similar than the yellow to the 'older shiny' and pink to Mew. There's no reason to start an edit war or threaten to ban users over this. Allsalts (talk) 02:02, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * I posted a text color comparison, and consensus is irrelevant if it's in blatant contradiction to the facts. Miles ( talk)   02:18, 17 April 2015 (EDT)

Miles, just except that it's similar, no need to be so stubborn! Nintenzilla 11:53, 17 April 2015 (EDT)

In fact, please tell me why you're being so stubborn and sensitive about this, I would really love too know thank you! Nintenzilla 11:54, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * It's not a question of being stubborn. It's a question of accuracy. Miles ( talk)   12:54, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * In all honesty, I'm going to have to side with Miles on this one. Both Mewtwo's shiny sprite and Mewtwo's green alt in Melee are much greener than Mewtwo's light blue alt in Smash 4. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 12:59, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Well yes that is true, but it's the closest thing to Mewtwo's shiny. You see, I put down that it was similar to Mewtwo's shiny, but lighter in color, since that was true, why was it removed? Nintenzilla 13:17, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Because it's not. Shiny Mewtwo isn't blue; that said, saying the alt in question "resembles" his shiny form is kinda stretching the truth. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 13:20, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Shiny Mewtwo and the alt are both green. The alt is a blueish green, but is still primarily green. It is not primarily blue. Take a color test and check the RGB levels. Green is the highest. Blueish green, and light green as similar colors. Allsalts (talk) 16:58, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Let me just say, their are much more alt descriptions that are "Stretching" it! Nintenzilla 13:21, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * I'd like to see an example of this, because I do not believe that is the case for a single one. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 13:23, 17 April 2015 (EDT)

Oh really? Alternate costumes Nintenzilla (talk)14:11, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * That's close, but that belongs there because, aside from a few color tone changes, that's basically a shiny Greninja. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 15:42, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Wow seriously? I find it unbelievable that you accept Black skin, yellow under belly, and orange tongue as a stand in for Black skin, black underbelly and red tongue. But you don't accept blueish green as a stand in for green. Allsalts (talk) 16:58, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * I agree that makes absolutely, positively, no sense! Nintenzilla (talk) 17:04, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Black and black is a lot more similar than light green and teal. That's common sense. Miles ( talk)   17:31, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Black+Yellow+Orange = Black+Black+Red. White+Teal =/= White+Green? Your argument makes no sense. I can't understand it at all.
 * Also if you cite Melee as being closer to the shiny may i remind you, the melee alt had green tinged skin. No Mewtwo Shiny in Pokemon has ever had greenish skin, only the tail. Allsalts (talk) 17:38, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * That's it!!!! This is nonsense, "Common sense" my ass! Excuse my language their I was just really annoyed. Obviously people have different perception, Greninja's alt is not even close to his shiny, in fact his purple is closer. What I'm just trying to say is that we should just say it's similar, we don't have to say it's identical, just similar! Because people could get confused. Is that fine?

Uh...
I'd just like to point this out. ...I think I'll let you handle this one. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura  15:08, 20 April 2015 (EDT)
 * What is there to handle? I pointed out that his edit was factually inaccurate, and provided proof. He repeatedly made the same claim without justification. I undid it and provided a warning of what would happen if he continued edit warring on the subject. He continued edit warring. I followed through on said warning. Whether he comes back or not is his choice. Miles ( talk)   15:15, 20 April 2015 (EDT)
 * You make a valid point, I won't deny that, but...I kinda feel bad for him. People compare me to a certain speedy blue hedgehog (Trust me, this is relevant), and one of the reasons is that both Sonic and I can't pass up someone in need of help. I'm just saying. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan , Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 15:18, 20 April 2015 (EDT)
 * I made the point abundantly clear. It is saddening to lose an editor, but he was breaking wiki rules and ignoring what was presented to him. Miles ( talk)   16:00, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

What would you think?
So what would you think of another Kirby character, and what do you think the mystery slot on the roster is?Nintenzilla (talk)09:27, 22 April 2015 (EDT)
 * While I personally would enjoy Bandana Waddle Dee, for example, I've already explained why there's no evidence in the current data for another Kirby character. Miles ( talk)   12:25, 22 April 2015 (EDT)
 * While their is no true evidence it's still heavily implied we're getting Bandana Dee. I'm not saying it's absolutly confirmed, I'm just saying it makes perfect sense. Think about it! The Dream Land stage is based off of his debut game, Kirby Super Star, he's one of Sakurai's character, Bandana Dee (Or for that matter Waddle Dee) has no trophy, he'd be fun with his spear, he'd be perfect! As for the other placeholder slot, it's too early to call for that, (I'd say K. Rool or Inkling) but I just care about the Dee. Here's my pridiction list for DLC: Veterans: Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy: Newcomers: Ryu, Bandana Dee, ? (Maybe K. Rool, Dixie or Inkling?) So what do think. Not to shabby right?Nintenzilla (talk) 12:34, 22 April 2015 (EDT)
 * I don't think "implied" is true either. I mean, sure, there's been certain cases where Sakurai has treated his characters well, but I think you're overthinking this just a little. All the picture you provided says that a match happened between the newest DLC, two Kirby characters, and the fastest thing alive. That's basically it. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 13:21, 22 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Right now the evidence says Roy, Ryu, and Dream Land 64. Anything else is 100% guesswork. Miles ( talk)   13:46, 22 April 2015 (EDT)
 * To be fair, assuming Dream Land 64 is also a guess, I mean, look at Jungle Japes, it doesn't have any music from its original appearance, so it's possible that the Kirby stage may just be using those songs and is actually a brand new stage, nothing is certain. Laikue (talk | contribs) 17:14, 22 April 2015 (EDT)
 * But what do you think about my predictions?www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzn1dxtTae0 Also the video explains alot of things!Nintenzilla (talk) 14:08, 22 April 2015 (EDT)
 * I'm just saying, if a Kirby stage is coming it's not out of the possibility to have a character!Nintenzilla (talk) 14:10, 22 April 2015 (EDT)
 * It's certainly possible, but character relevance doesn't always equate to playability (see: Dixie Kong) and trophies don't necessarily mean anything (see: Mewtwo). That video has some seriously flawed logic. Miles ( talk)   14:40, 22 April 2015 (EDT)

Just a quick question...
Hello Miles, I've been gaining interest in adding trivia and technical data of the moves in Smash 4, but I've decided to ask this since you've recently removed some trivia I added. Regarding the Little Mac Side-B trivia before, where should details like that belong? Should they be added to the character page such as Villager's meme being a psycho killer or should it not be added at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Archrelico (talk • contribs) 02:34, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
 * It shouldn't be added at all, and frankly the Villager meme should be removed too. (Also, please sign your comments with ~ ) Miles ( talk)   02:34, 26 April 2015 (EDT)

Lucasmyhomie
I feel as though you should have at least given him a warning before blocking him. And he didn't remove content from pages, he changed it inappropriately (and possibly in good faith). Nyargle blargle (Talk) 18:46, 29 April 2015 (EDT)

So...
Your main is Shulk?Nintenzilla (talk) 20:39, 4 May 2015 (EDT)
 * And Pac-Man, yes. Miles ( talk)   20:48, 4 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Shulk is my main too, Pac-Man is my third main though after Duck Hunt!Nintenzilla (talk) 20:55, 4 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Here's my NNID if you wanna play online! SpencerReed, please, don't ask why! Alright!Nintenzilla (talk) 22:12, 5 May 2015 (EDT)

So, honest answer time.
So, as this is the first wiki I have ever worked on, I want to kind of see from other people how I am doing. Is there anything that I need to improve upon? Am I doing things by the book enough? I just want to be sure that I am actually being helpful and not screwing things up. As you and Toomai are the two most active admins, I figured I would ask you guys. Thanks. Serpent King ( talk ) 23:47, 7 May 2015 (EDT)
 * You're doing just fine. Miles ( talk)   00:32, 8 May 2015 (EDT)

You stalking me?
Ok, this doesn't really count as "stalking", but I've noticed that you notice my edits (and undo some that you believe are "wrong" by your books) in an alarmingly short amount of time. It's almost like you constantly loom over my edit history page. Do not say that you just happen to come across a page that I recently edited, cuz there is no way that can happen an X amount of times. Besides, that "Super Fighting Robot" thing was just a joke. I was gonna undo that later. Have you even heard the theme song?

Herson (talk) 02:06, 10 May 2015 (EDT)Herson
 * I check recent changes and do essentially a spot-check on some recent edits to assess their quality, and revert ones that seem questionable or poor. It's nothing personal. And in general, the mainspace is not for jokes. Miles ( talk)   08:38, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

NeoGaf
Might I ask why you consider NeoGaf a "dubious source"? (I'm not saying it should be kept, I'm just curious.) Aidan,  Master of Speed and Aura  13:21, 11 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Essentially, digging around yields that every source of these claims goes back to one forum post citing a Famitsu article that nobody can provide images of. This makes it highly dubious in quality, especially in comparison to statements Sakurai made himself on the 64 and Melee websites. Miles ( talk)   13:22, 11 May 2015 (EDT)
 * I see. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 13:24, 11 May 2015 (EDT)

Suggestion
The wiki used for Kirby information is very shallow and not very in depth, I suggest this wiki for better information! http://kirby.wikia.com/wiki/Kirby_Wiki Nintenzilla (talk) 09:45, 12 May 2015 (EDT)
 * The thing is that we're affiliated with KirWiki (I think it's called). We're both part of NIWA. Nyargle blargle  (Talk) 09:56, 12 May 2015 (EDT)
 * It's WiKirby, for the record; that said, yes, the people over there need to get their shit straight, because there are a lot of things that are off... Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 10:10, 12 May 2015 (EDT)
 * I have actually been thinking about getting active over there. There is a list of all items found in Kirby's Air Ride's City Trial. They left out Dragoon pieces. They have Hydra, no Dragoon. FAIL. Anyway, does anyone else have slowdown issues over there? Serpent King  ( talk ) 14:46, 12 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Not really, may be because of my browser. Anyone else think that wiki's a bit of an eyesore? Nintenzilla (talk) 14:58, 12 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Needs a bit of fixing, don't you think? Nintenzilla (talk) 17:23, 12 May 2015 (EDT)

(Reset indent) Yes, it's an eyesore, but because it was created within the NIWA, it is automatically higher up than a Wikia page. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura  17:23, 12 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Still, maybe with some repairs it could be better. Nah, it'd take waaaaaay too long to get everything straight. It's possible but time consuming! Nintenzilla (talk) 17:36, 12 May 2015 (EDT)
 * One observation I just made is that even the Stafy and Tetris Wikis have more content then the Kirby one. Irony anyone? Nintenzilla (talk) 17:44, 12 May 2015 (EDT)

Inklings
I think they should have their own article, nuff said. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:09, 13 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Not every character with a Mii Fighter costume has a page, right? I don't see why unless they get confirmed as a fighter (which I do really want) ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 13:29, 13 May 2015 (EDT)
 * I've previously explained that the reason we don't need an Inkling page is because at the moment, the costume is the only representation of them in Smash whatsoever. Contrast that to Dunban, X, or Majora's Mask, which have other roles such as assist character, Smash Tour item, stage, trophy, etc. Miles ( talk)   13:33, 13 May 2015 (EDT)

Spam Users
I've noticed some users have been acting, weird, the things that they're doing are 1. Spreading false information, 2. Not listening to talk page warnings, 3. Uploading awful images. So with that in mind, is it possible we may have a spam problem? Nintenzilla (talk) 12:09, 14 May 2015 (EDT)
 * This is a wiki. There will always be vandals and spammers. Serpent King  ( talk ) 12:12, 14 May 2015 (EDT)
 * That may be true, but we might want to do something to avoid it. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:17, 14 May 2015 (EDT)
 * The user in question was given multiple warnings, and temporarily blocked when he failed to improve his behavior. That's all there is to do sometimes. Miles ( talk)   12:18, 14 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Okay, that makes sense. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:20, 14 May 2015 (EDT)

Is this something that actually matters?
Does Classic Mode and its game-specific counterparts really need renamed to "Classic mode"? Does it really matter? Idk, it just seems to me that there are much bigger fish to fry. Additionally, no one is saying anything about it in discussion. Serpent King ( talk ) 13:02, 14 May 2015 (EDT)

Smash 4 Images
Hello from the Super Mario Wiki! I'm a user who regularly makes edits there (under the name Time Turner), and the wiki has plenty of articles on various Smash 4 stuff, like items, moves, stages, etc. I've been uploading images taken by me on these topics and they're all pretty high-quality, if I do say so myself. I haven't had the chance to examine every page to see which ones needed images, but if it's all right, I'd be perfectly comfortable with grabbing images from one wiki to another, or even other people doing it so long as they give me credit. However, the policies and how-to on uploading images are quite different between this wiki and the Mario Wiki, such as what license and what categories to use. I'm also not sure if you guys would be comfortable with some low-edit user uploading or reuploading batches of images (such as swapping this Bombchu image for ). Whenever you can, get back to me on how you'd like to proceed. Thank you very much! Reversinator (talk)
 * It's really a case-by-case basis. The specific comparison you made, the Bombchu image, would indeed by an improvement. However, there are a couple things to keep in mind before doing any bulk image work. For starters, you should avoid overwriting any images off of the official site, which we want to keep around. On top of that, it would be a good idea to make sure each upload is a worthwhile upgrade of an image like the Bombchu one; that one is desirable as a 1-to-1 replacement since you're overwriting a low-value, low-quality pre-release screenshot with a good quality version of the same image from the final game. For example, replacing this image with this one would be a bad replacement, since the former is a PotD and shows it in use, both of which are different from the screenshot you took. Does that make sense? Miles ( talk)   15:18, 14 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Basically, replace like with like as long as there's a clear quality boost, right? A couple more questions: replacing the Gust Bellows image is a no-go, as you said, but would it be okay if I simply uploaded the image separately from that one? The one you guys have is good for showing it in action, while the one I have gives a better look at the actual item. The licensing is also still an issue for me: over on the Mario Wiki, we'd have a license for what the image literally is (game screenshot, tv screenshot, logo, magazine scan, etc.) and then a category with what game/show the image is from. You guys don't quite have that; I'll probably be fine on my own (Template:Fairuse, then whatever character(s) appear in the image, right?) but forgive me if I make any errors along the way. Reversinator (talk)
 * Yeah, the Gust Bellows one is a good example of what would make a good complement to what we have, as opposed to a replacement. Uploading it separately would be fine. As for licensing, we just tag screenshots as fair use; don't worry about being more specific than that. Other categories are sometimes useful but not consistently applied, so do what makes sense to you on that. Miles ( talk)   16:03, 14 May 2015 (EDT)

DLC
Wolf,Toad,Snake,Rayman,Chourus Kids,Ryu,And King K Rool For DLC! (NoWiki) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.60.218.64 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Perhaps you should review UTPG and SIGN. Miles ( talk)   16:21, 15 May 2015 (EDT)

Let me tell you something
You are a horrible admin.

Administrators' jobs are to keep the wiki in order, making sure everything is professional looking and easy to read, and stopping arguments by creating compromises (unless one side of the argument is completely ridiculous or otherwise disagreed with by a majority of the community).

You know what you do?

You come up with your own theories on what should happen and dare someone to question them. We have a large margin of the Wiki that believes Mewtwo's blue costume is based off of Shiny Mewtwo or Shiny Mew, and because you and MAYBE two other people disagree, you're willing to BAN people for questioning you.

You insist that everyone make an argument on the talk page, but you do what you want and if someone tries to question you, you either ignore them or beat them into submission with your threats and insults until they look like such idiots that no one will listen to them.

It's one thing to revert my edits. It's a completely other thing to tell me that my image is sloppy and unnecessary and deleting it without even asking for a different opinion. Not to mention the changes Laikue made. They make no difference on the page EXCEPT ACCORDING TO YOU, but because YOU dislike it, it's somehow bad? You were the only person to disagree with it and it was for the stupid reason of ONLY TWO rows getting changed by one row, which has no effect on anyone, as opposed to basic unreadability on mobile platforms. Wait, isn't one of the jobs of an admin making everything professional looking and easy to read? Nope, not according to you.

Now please, ban me for insulting you because I dared to question your almighty powers and drag you back down to earth. Scream at me until I cry if you want. Tell me how ridiculous my statements are and that I'm just upset that you deleted my art. Do I look like I care? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 18:55, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
 * I really hate to say this, but Nutta's not wrong. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 19:08, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
 * I am not planning on changing my positions when it comes to facts, nor am I planning on worsening readability of the wiki on a computer to make it more mobile-friendly. As for the icons Nutta uploaded, they were poor quality hue edits of existing images that served no purpose and set a precedent for uploading images we have no need for. I'd advise you to make an effort to stop assuming the worst in others. Miles ( talk)   19:10, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
 * I'm sorry, Nutta's absolutely right. I've been wanting to say this for a while, you're really stubborn and not very nice. When ever I put anything on the wiki you always remove it either because it's irrelevant or because it has no source, isn't one of the rules on the wiki always assume good faith? Also, lighten up a bit, you're always so gloomy and unhappy it's kind of sad, you seem like you have no fun on this wiki! I'm sorry if this offends you, I just want you to realize these things. Be a bit more thoughtful! Nintenzilla (talk) 20:19, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
 * If I undo an edit of yours for being of poor quality, that's not assuming bad faith. I simply do checks of some edits from recent changes, and if something looks factually dubious I'm likely to remove it. Miles ( talk)   20:29, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
 * That's not what I mean. You don't assume good faith, meaning that you automatically assume it's of bad quality just because of no source. What if it's a bit intriguing? Nintenzilla (talk) 20:47, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
 * If someone makes a questionable or unusual claim without providing a source, that is bad quality. Miles ( talk)   20:56, 18 May 2015 (EDT)

I support Miles's actions in most if not all of these contexts and would have done the same if I'd gotten here first. Edited images are unwanted; dubious claims require trustable sources; mobile users deserve nothing special. All I see on this page is a bunch of whining that you're not getting your way - have fun with that on your reputation. Toomai Glittershine The Engineer 21:02, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Now that I'm (slightly) calmer, I'd like to make a more reasonable argument that sounds less like whining (which I admit I did).
 * What Miles did was not handling the situation calmly or professionally- he didn't supply a reason as to why his way was better beyond "it's not ugly and we've done it this way for six weeks". The closest thing to a reason is the fact that mine was poorly edited (which I strongly disagree with but I'm rather biased), but the way he phrased it was very much a personal attack (at least, that's how I took it, but again, i'm rather biased). "It's the way we've always done it" is never a reason, particularly when we have multiple users who believe that is not a good way to do it and only one who disagrees. It's clearly not an overly functional way, and as an admin, he should have presented a new way instead of insisting his way is better. By personally attacking my art skill and refusing to listen to other opinions, he triggered an edit war, which instead of putting a stop to it by compromising, he participated in and actually refused a compromise- and for what reason? Because he disagreed with it. This is not how you handle edit wars in any way, shape, or form. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 21:13, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
 * I'm sorry too, I'm just very new here and need to learn the ropes still. Nintenzilla (talk) 21:15, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
 * I was not reverting on the basis of "we've always done it this way" so much as "we've done it this way for six weeks and you've been around, why are you only bringing it up now?". Beyond that, I was by no means intending to personally attack anyone, and apologize if it came across as such. Miles ( talk)   21:25, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
 * that's... not a better reason in any way, but it was mainly because I actually have a life and sometimes don't have time to throw a yellow color replacement tool in Mario's face. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 22:09, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
 * After reading this whole discussion, as well as what prompted Nutta's response, I think I can safely give my opinion now.


 * Despite what I said earlier, I do not necessarily have a thing against Miles. I feel he does things for a reason. That said, the reason he gave for the thing regarding the whole situation that prompted Nutta's complaint was pretty...vague, in a way. You basically said "we've had it this way for a short amount of time and I don't want to have something different." That's what it sounds like to me. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 08:58, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

(Reset Indent) I don't either, I understand his ways as an admin, it's all good. Nintenzilla (talk) 09:02, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

As someone who has been here for 4 years (or nearly 5 years in fact), I honestly don't see any problems with how Miles handles his admin capabilities. He has been improving since that big OT vs. Miles argument almost a year ago. Now I know that Miles does have his problem with his passive stubbornness but I feel like Miles' talk page has now become an unnecessary hate page citing him as the main antagonist of the wiki and that he did so many "illegal" crimes for his admin rights to be revoked. Seriously, he's not that bad. D o  t  s  (talk)  The Jiggly 09:48, 19 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Like I said, I feel he does things for a reason; I feel everything has a reason behind it, in fact. But if it's a stupid reason, then I don't see why I can't just walk up to Miles and say "what the hell, man?" Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 09:51, 19 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Then this is why we bring these kind of things up on talk pages. I don't mind anybody criticizing Miles but the way Ac2k and others besides OT who doesn't like Miles just seem to immaturely whine about it. D  o  t  s  (talk) Mega Man X SNES sprite.png The Goldfinger 10:05, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

This is how I see this whole thing...
 * 1) It's made quite clear that Ignorance of the Rules != Excusal.
 * 2) Mobile Editors, which we can easily track, are of a minority. As such, we shouldn't sacrifice the needs of the majority for them.
 * 3) There is a threshold beyond which an image can be indefinitley considered poor. Whilst I haven't seen the image in question, it needs saying.
 * 4) Sturgeon's Law. Just because 90% of people think it's good, doesn't mean it is. Whilst it may or not appear 'similar', that's speculation. There isn't enough evidence to suggest Mewtwo's pallete is based on its shiny.
 * 5) If someone posted a clear falsehood, by your definition of good faith, we can't remove it. Good Faith means assume they mean well, not that they do well.
 * 6) *Sarcastic Tone* People, please, the Internet's butthurt enough as it is! *Translation* Don't take offence at everything you read! I don't take anything said on the Internet seriously, even if it's people I know IRL. Just throw out a sarcastic comment to yourself and carry on!
 * Rant-ish Over. Have A Nice Day!

Oh, and @Aidan - totally agree with you that you should be able to cast an argument forward, but if that argument starts with a statement like "You are a horrible X", then proceeds to completley ignore the points posed. Oh, and people jumping on the bandwagon just because it's a good time to bring down their rival - not talking about you, but I ain't gonna name fingers and point names. ScoreCounter 10:13, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

AGF
"When other users make mistakes in their contributions, correct their mistakes and politely explain their mistakes to help them contribute positively in the future."

"anybody who thinks SSB4 Link looks like Skyward Sword should get their eyes checked" =/= "politely explain their mistakes to help them contribute positively in the future"

---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 16:11, 21 May 2015 (EDT)
 * I am in no way assuming bad faith. It's more grumpiness over a common error that people seem to perpetuate without checking, hence a slightly sarcastic nudge to people to actually compare the subject in question. Miles ( talk)   16:15, 21 May 2015 (EDT)
 * I never said you were assuming bad faith, i said you didn't politely explain their mistakes. Whether or not your assumption of faith led to it, you still disobeyed that part of the policy. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 16:16, 21 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Then I apologize for expressing some exasperation rather than 100% politeness. Sometimes having to repeatedly revert the same thing being asserted without evidence grows tiring. Miles ( talk)   16:21, 21 May 2015 (EDT)

A question about uploading images
Hello, Miles. I have found an image to show what a Plasma Wisp looks like in the Master Fortress. However, it is from a different Kirby Wiki, and all these Image copyright rules and image uploading rules kinda makes me hesitant to upload the image. I'm not quite sure what to do. Help? Falconpunch (talk) 01:57, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * If the image in question is simply a screenshot directly from Smash Wii U, at either native resolution or Miiverse resolution, feel free to upload it. All screenshots can be simply tagged as fair use from the drop down menu while uploading; as for filename, anything reasonably descriptive like "File:Plasma Wisp Wii U.jpg" is adequate. Does that clear things up? Miles ( talk)   02:18, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Yeah, that should clear things up, thanks for that. It does seem like a screenshot anyways. If I break the rules somehow after uploading the image, I understand; It's my first time. Falconpunch (talk) 02:33, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * FYI, you did it correctly. Miles ( talk)   02:47, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Phew! I was a bit nervous at first, but that's pretty normal for trying new things. Always glad to help out! Falconpunch (talk) 02:53, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * "careful with that gallery tag" Hmm? What about it? Like I said, I'm still kind of learning the ropes to Wiki editing. Falconpunch (talk) 15:10, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * You just missed one little > on it, so the gallery didn't close properly and the rest of the page didn't show as a result, so I fixed it. It's an easy mistake to make. Miles ( talk)   15:15, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Oops, my bad! I could have sworn I completely closed the tag...Anyway, the gallery might not be the best idea for this image. I mean, I remember seeing that same thing happen to the Stalfos picture in Super Smash Bros. For Wii U; It was once in the gallery until it got it's own spot near the top of the page, whatever that thing is called. Perhaps later it could be changed to be like that, too? Falconpunch (talk) 15:19, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Either way works. It's fine as it is, or it could be positioned like the picture on the Stalfos page. Miles ( talk)   16:08, 22 May 2015 (EDT)

Ssbsonic
They're still misusing the talk page and not taking the time to read the rules. Bulbaboy (talk) 19:12, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * You are going to have to give an example. Serpent King  ( talk ) 19:35, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Nvm, here is an example. Serpent King  ( talk ) 19:38, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
 * The user in question has been warned appropriately. Any further disregard for policy and wiki quality will result in a block. Miles ( talk)   20:08, 22 May 2015 (EDT)

1RV
The policy also states not to revert edits that defy the policy, as that starts edit wars. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 13:55, 24 May 2015 (EDT)
 * It was factually incorrect. Miles ( talk)   14:08, 24 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Not really. The facts are that pieces of metal cannot be gender, which that edit followed. The other fact is that it is referred to as male by official sources. Since there are two conflicting sources, it was not inaccurate, per se, and needed discussion. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 14:13, 24 May 2015 (EDT)
 * As I said before, gender and sex are not the same. You should double check your definitions. Miles ( talk)   14:20, 24 May 2015 (EDT)
 * I did, and it still seems to me that a piece of metal, even sentient, cannot have a gender. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 14:21, 24 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Ok this is getting ridiculous. Nutta, if you have such a problem with Miles, I would take that up with Toomai (I will sit back and watch you get laughed at). All you have done is attack literally every one of Miles' edits/reverts. It's getting old, and trust me, you are not earning yourself any respect. You just look foolish. Serpent King  ( talk ) 18:36, 24 May 2015 (EDT)

Notability-based deletion
Could you take a look at some of those pages? Some of them have had the tag up for months. Thanks! Nyargle blargle (Talk) 08:27, 26 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Normally, what I've seen happen is this guy takes care of notability-related things; that said, he comes and goes on the wiki, so it might be a while before that stuff gets taken down. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 08:47, 26 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Okay. I thought I saw that Miles had deleted a few vanity pages, but it may have been Omega Tyrant too. Nyargle blargle  (Talk) 08:51, 26 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Their usernames both show up as green on the Recent Changes, so I can understand that confusion. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 08:54, 26 May 2015 (EDT)

Part of the difficulty is that I am not actively in the competitive scene and mostly only keep track of major news from it, making it so that I'm not always the best judge of such things. When it comes to Smasher pages, I delete only the most blatant vanity ones, or ones where others have done the research to determine whether their notability is sufficient. Miles ( talk)  09:54, 26 May 2015 (EDT)
 * No problem. We'll just wait for Omega Tyrant then. Nyargle blargle  (Talk) 09:57, 26 May 2015 (EDT)

Since this seems to be your department...
I figured I'd leave this up to you. Below is a list of s that I have a problem with.
 * Captain Falcon; Cyan: The outfit is vaguely similar to the color scheme of Rick Wheeler, the protagonist of the F-Zero: GP Legend anime.
 * Pretty loose comparison.


 * Dark Pit; Purple: The purple color scheme is similar to the Eggplant Wizard from Kid Icarus.
 * Not even close.


 * Dr. Mario; Red, Blue, Yellow: Resembles the palette of the (red/blue/yellow) Virus from Dr. Mario.
 * So what? Really do not think that colorations were based off viruses. Especially because yellow is separated.


 * Fox; White: The lens on his headgear is colored orange in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U instead of green.
 * Still looks green to me.


 * Greninja; Black: Color scheme resembles Shiny variation, but with an orange tongue rather than a red tongue.
 * So it's not the shiny variation.


 * Lucario; Green: Coincidentaly, the color of the sprite if the main colors are given a hue of -100.
 * Rosalina; Black: Resembles the color scheme of a Power Star.
 * What even


 * Sheik; Yellow: Resembles the Magic Armor with Rupees in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.
 * Not even slightly


 * Sheik; White: Resembles the clothes worn by Tetra in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker.
 * Nope.

Let me know what you think. Serpent King ( talk ) 02:14, 31 May 2015 (EDT)
 * There's a bunch of them that I have had a hard time deciding for or against, and these are among them. Part of the difficulty is that things like these get added constantly, and it's hard to stay on top of them; others are ones where there is a definite similarity, but there's also reasons to think it's coincidental or inaccurate. Ultimately none of the ones you stated are ones I'd vehemently defend staying on the page or anything, but there's a big pile of gray area of "how close does it need to be to count" that I've nearly given up on trying to set boundaries on. Miles ( talk)   02:22, 31 May 2015 (EDT)
 * If I may submit my opinion...
 * Greninja's black alt only has one change in color. Other than that, that's basically the shiny. I don't see how there's a problem.
 * You're telling me this doesn't resemble Sheik's 8th alt?
 * Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 10:52, 31 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Other than the color scheme, no. I really think this page needs work though. There are some absurd ones. Sheik's yellow? Dark Pit's purple? Rosalina's black? Fox's white is outright incorrect. Serpent King  ( talk ) 23:10, 31 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Yea, those are kinda absurd... Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 23:11, 31 May 2015 (EDT)
 * @Miles: So am I good to take some of these down (specifically, Sheik's yellow, Dark Pit's purple, Rosalina's black)? Serpent King  ( talk ) 01:16, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * No comment. Your call. Miles ( talk)   03:11, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Japanese Smashers
Thanks for the help before. By the way, I had no work so I decided to add a lot of people who I should have added ages ago, ask questions (on my page) if you need to. --PPS KoRo, King of Smash 64 Knowledge, and bad grammar....and bad puns (talk) 13:05, 1 June 2015 (EDT)
 * No problem. I'm not exactly the most knowledgeable when it comes to the competitive scene (and Japanese 64 players are as unfamiliar to me as they come), but I'm glad I could assist at least a little. Miles ( talk)   13:09, 1 June 2015 (EDT)

Stages
"very hesitant to do this, as part of the point of this page was to have stages in a list format akin to the series-wide pages for characters, items, etc." I do not understand. Those pages have tables too. Too me, this stage page (heh, rhymes) just looks like a mess. Serpent King ( talk ) 17:21, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Contrast it to the format of List of Super Smash Bros. series characters or item, which have tabular formats but minimal image use to keep the tables extremely streamlined. Given that stages tend to be more different between games than either of those, I feel that game-by-game lists are much simpler to navigate on a page that covers the whole series. The "gallery table" style is better served for the game pages themselves. Miles ( talk)   17:23, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Ok, I see where you are coming from. But doesn't it seem like the format we have now is a little...eh...boring/too simplistic? Just having a bulleted list...idk. Serpent King  ( talk ) 17:27, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * It is a little bland, yeah, but it's clean and easy to navigate. I feel it's important to keep the games' stagelists separate given how different they usually are (as opposed to characters who most of the time come back). The only other ways I could see to make it less simplistic would make it too cluttered, I feel. Miles ( talk)   17:31, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

List of Rumors Protection
So we've protected this page again because of the same user as last time. Is there anyway to protect the page from just him? Maintenance may still be needed on this page, and protecting the page from everybody means going to a sysop to get the fix done. I mean, eh... that's such a hassle. (I am of course referring to the Master Hand and Classic Mode switches from last time). Serpent King ( talk ) 18:44, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * There is no way to block a specific user from editing a specific page. Miles ( talk)   18:58, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * :/ that sucks. Serpent King  ( talk ) 19:00, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Speaking of which, will there be a E3 Nintendo Direct this year? If so, I guess protecting it now than later would be the best thing as who knows, there might be a bunch of rumors popping up. D o  t  s  (talk)  The Republic 19:05, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Yeah, there's an E3 Direct on the 16th. Extending the protection through then is a good idea. Miles ( talk)   19:06, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Good bye, and I mean for good. Nintenzilla (talk) 19:29, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * "Oh it's always my fault" Forget you. Nintenzilla (talk) 19:38, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * NPA. I am just pointing out that the last 2 times Miles protected List of Rumors, you were a direct cause. It is not fair to have to protect a page because someone cannot follow the guidelines set in place. Serpent King  ( talk ) 19:43, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

1RV
again, it also states that you shouldn't revert violations of this policy without discussion on the talk page first unless it's false, etc. In this case, while the Shantae rumor isn't as widespread as some (such as the Gematsu leaks), it is relatively widespread and should have been discussed more than it was. It is also more widespread than the Lucina rumor that's on the page, so... ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 19:21, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * The Lucina rumor is there because of its relevance as the first SSB4 rumor to involve usage of Brawl hacks. As for the Shantae one, there's an ongoing talk page discussion, and I was preserving the page as it was while that discussion continues. Miles ( talk)   19:26, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

See ya.
I'm gonna take a break for a long time, I hope to see you again maybe. Nintenzilla (talk) 20:01, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * But you don't really need to announce this to an admin though. :/ D  o  t  s  (talk) Mega Man X SNES sprite.png The Doomguy 20:05, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Oh... Nintenzilla (talk) 20:06, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

So is this ok?
Master_Hand_(SSBM) <--Prima names. They exist in all 4 MH articles and in all 3 CH articles. Serpent King ( talk ) 21:56, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Tough call. I'm against the usage of unofficial names like that in character tables, but given that the Hands don't control quite the same way (e.g. there's no "Master Hand's back aerial"), it's harder to justify removing explanatory names. Miles ( talk)   22:10, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Fair enough. Serpent King  ( talk ) 22:11, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

Question
I know that this is probably a stupid question, but what's with th3 ph1re? Is it like a meme, or an inside joke or what? LittleMacmain97, a new kind of noob. (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2015 (EDT)
 * It's an ancient inside joke that I only keep around for historical reasons. Miles ( talk)   21:15, 8 June 2015 (EDT)

Ok. :π LittleMacmain97, a new kind of noob. (talk) 21:19, 8 June 2015 (EDT)
 * I think the meme is used to describe people with "awesome amazing" power. Generally its probably not that well known and not used that much nowadays. An example of th3 ph1re can be seen in The Wrath of Giga Bowser (which is a pretty ancient Smash video itself). D  o  t  s  (talk) Mega Man X SNES sprite.png The Chespin 21:27, 8 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Someday, I will have at least partial control of th3 ph1re! Also, if sysops and b-crats have full control of th3 ph1re, how much control does the developer have? LittleMacmain97, a new kind of noob. (talk) 21:30, 8 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Basically, the developer of this wiki, Porplemontage, can do practically anything he wants since he is the person that is in charge of SmashWiki, and infact other wikis as well such as MarioWiki. D  o  t  s  (talk) Mega Man X SNES sprite.png The Formerly ..... 21:36, 8 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Speaking of other wikis, why isn't the Punch-out!! aiming part of NIWA? LittleMacmain97, a new kind of noob. (talk) 21:39, 8 June 2015 (EDT)
 * There's a non-wikia Punchout Wiki? Serpent King  ( talk ) 21:56, 8 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Why is the fact that it's wikia pose a problem? LittleMacmain97, a new kind of noob. (talk) 22:06, 8 June 2015 (EDT)
 * The "I" stands for "independent". Miles ( talk)   22:24, 8 June 2015 (EDT)

reset indent Well a lot of people on this wiki are sworn against wikia for it's policies, to the point where we will not link to their articles unless there is literally no other choice. I've seen us link to non-wiki articles when there were wikia articles available before. Serpent King ( talk ) 22:25, 8 June 2015 (EDT)
 * That's no good. Perhaps someone with a lot of Punch-out!! knowledge, cough, me, cough, should start one that can join NIWA? I'll sleep on it. LittleMacmain97, a new kind of noob. (talk) 23:04, 8 June 2015 (EDT)
 * New comments always go to the bottom in talk pages. To reply: I am not really sure that a series with only 1 (small) game in it is worth an independent wiki. Also keep in mind, you'd have to host it, maintain it, and add content to it. There's also the lack of guarantee that you'll be accepted by NIWA. Serpent King  ( talk ) 23:11, 8 June 2015 (EDT)

About the Mega Men
I can help you with the starforce megaman page. LittleMacmain97, a new kind of noob. (talk) 11:02, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * I'll set up the layout myself, but help with the origins would be appreciated as I've never really dug into the Mega Man games outside the classic series. Miles ( talk)   11:22, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Don't feel bad. I've never played Mega Man, except for the original (and it kicked my round behind). Anyway, I can do grammar and spelling editing, but not content. Serpent King  ( talk ) 11:27, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * I'm knowledgeable about the main platforming series but not the Battle Network RPG series. I guess I can help with that. D  o  t  s  (talk) Mega Man X SNES sprite.png The Lax 11:29, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Also, Miles, I think it's Archive time, mate. Serpent King  ( talk ) 11:30, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

Can you move DEVELOP_Mode for me?
To Debug_menu_(SSBM)/DEVELOP_mode. It won't let me because of the 9CAP rule. I do not want the subpage moved yet. Serpent King ( talk ) 11:52, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Hey, the delete tags are where they were supposed to be now. Sorry about that :S I'm a ninny Serpent King  ( talk ) 12:57, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Everything taken care of now? Miles ( talk)   12:58, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Yes sir. Sorry :/ Serpent King  ( talk ) 12:59, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Relax. It's not a big deal by any stretch. (And really, "sir" is excessive.) Miles ( talk)   13:04, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Eh, it's just me trying to be cute. Serpent King  ( talk ) 13:06, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

About X's origin section
Can the section at least be expanded, since I feel like the section could use a little more. D o  t  s  (talk)  The Computer 13:23, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Certainly. Miles ( talk)   13:26, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * But what I'm actually going to ask is that, for when LittleMac97 attempted to expanded the section and you reverted his edits, I know that his grammar was not perfect there but could you have at least make corrections to his mistakes while still keeping the added content there? D  o  t  s  (talk) Mega Man X SNES sprite.png The Engineer 13:30, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * I may make mistakes, but I'm descriptive. I was gonna look at the Mega Man knowledge base and try again. LittleMacmain97, a new kind of noob. (talk) 13:42, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

That edit I just made?
Blame the fact that I have a mobile device and rollback. (Granted, I have the thing set to desktop view, but still.) Aidan,  Master of Speed and Aura  16:49, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Rollback misclicks happen to the best of us. It's alright. Miles ( talk)   16:50, 9 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Yea, it's not the first time this has happened...just thought I'd let you know, however. Aidanzapunksignature.png Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 16:51, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

Random Talking Bush
This guy also extracted an Inkling render from the Wii U. Is that legit? Luke •  Talk  :::  07:03, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Probably, but that's like tertiary importance right now. I was working on a potential Inkling page already, so I'll get around to adding that later today probably. Miles ( talk)   07:06, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Isabelle and MegaMan.EXE costumes too!! Both for gunner, Mega Man is obvious, Isabelle will most likely shoot confetti out of the hat she's holding. Amiibae signature image.png Luke •  Talk  :::  07:07, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * A previous tweet of his confirmed the Isabelle one as the female counterpart to the K.K. one, which makes a degree of sense. (FYI, my current position is that anything RTB posts that he backs up with images and/or audio is to be treated as legitimate.) Miles ( talk)   07:12, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * He will have the FS trophies up in a bit so we'll have proof then. Amiibae signature image.png Luke •  Talk  :::  07:26, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Out of curiosity, where's the bulk of his discussion of his findings happening now? Both his twitter and the facepunch thread seem pretty quiet at the moment, so I take it he's talking about how he's about to do the Final Smash trophies elsewhere? --124.176.24.183 07:38, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * I dunno what you're seeing, he's posting rapidly on twitter. Miles ( talk)   07:39, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Wait, there we are, found the relevant tweets. I forgot that twitter's display of a user feed doesn't include replies to other users by default. Sorry about that! --124.176.24.183 07:56, 13 June 2015 (EDT)

Roy's our boy
When the audience cheers for Roy, they say "Roy's our boy!", just as in Melee. I happen to have the cheer in high quality before they removed it from Dropbox. Should I upload it? --BeepYou (talk) 15:30, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Sure, just make sure it's a .ogg file. The only real thing we want it for is the chart on the Crowd page, though. Miles ( talk)   15:34, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * How do I upload sound files? --BeepYou (talk) 15:39, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * .ogg files can be uploaded through the same upload page as images, Special:Upload. Miles ( talk)   15:41, 13 June 2015 (EDT)

I was away...
What the hell did I miss? Ryu and Roy, and what is this supposed source? I saw some videos...nothing official. Serpent King ( talk ) 21:26, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * That's cuz there is nothing official. It's a leak. But our policies say videos are proper sources. And they look pretty real. (Plus the 1.0.6 leak awhile ago.) ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 21:29, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * We wouldn't be going through all this trouble if the leak didn't have a significant amount of weight around it  73MPL4R  Only the dead have seen the end of war  21:43, 13 June 2015 (EDT)

Basically, an experienced Smash dataminer attempted to download the 1.0.8 update off of Nintendo's servers by directly finding the URL where the Wii U is supposed to look for the update, despite the fact that it wasn't supposed to be available yet. The quantity and quality of what we've gotten from this datamining is well beyond what's needed to convince me (and most people) of its legitimacy. Miles ( talk)  21:48, 13 June 2015 (EDT)

Just thought I'd let you know
Nintendo's pissed Aidan,  Master of Speed and Aura  22:35, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Here we go... You know, this "leak" was kind of pointless. We'd have heard about it tomorrow anyway. Now...Sakurai's presentation may be a little salty. Serpent King  ( talk ) 22:40, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * It's probably pre-recorded from before today, so there won't be a difference. But anyway, the leak video being taken down is a thing to point out on the leak page, as we did with the ESRB leak videos. Miles ( talk)   22:51, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Doesn't mean it cannot get cancelled. I am not saying we should stop editing on this, all I am saying is that it would be a very good idea to keep track of all of this. Serpent King  ( talk ) 23:16, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * The last leak didn't appear to change anything in terms of their reveals. I assume tomorrow's presentation will cover Lucas, Roy, Ryu, the new stages, and the new costumes, and all we got was a one-day lead. Miles ( talk)   23:21, 13 June 2015 (EDT)

Question
How would something like this be worded as a trivia point over here? Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura  00:43, 14 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Probably better to integrate it into this section, specifically the paragraph with the Yuji Naka quote. (And link the article, of course.) Miles ( talk)   00:50, 14 June 2015 (EDT)

Delete
How do I delete my account? ... (talk) 20:01, 14 June 2015 (EDT)
 * You can't. Just log out, close the tab, and don't log in again. That's the best option. Miles ( talk)   20:02, 14 June 2015 (EDT)