Talk:Mewtwo

Removed Sounds
Does anyone have files for the removed sounds Mewtwo Made in Brawl? 24.47.185.43 21:55, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Fiction
Stating that characters are fictional is completely unnecessary, for a wealth of reasons. If anyone disagrees, please explain thoroughly. Zixor (talk) 01:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

The reason for doing that is that it is in keeping with encyclopedic practices. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 02:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

-Such as? Zixor (talk) 03:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Whats the point?! Practically every single video game character is fictional!!!-- MỸŠŦЄЯỸ ЊӘҒҒ   TALK  10:42, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Whats the point of putting removed sounds and models were found if there is no proof?

--Grinder-Flame of Glacieo dammit! (talk) 19:18, November 1, 200

1 person is real in all of ssb and thats R.O.BKillerface45 (talk) 14:34, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Meowth
It said meowth and a bunch of other guys were gonna be in the original. He hasn't been in yet. Does that mean (if there is one) in ssb4 we might see meowth? 24.12.118.50 14:54, May 2, 2010 (UTC) Skyblast9 (no account)
 * That's up to Nintendo.  --Havoc Reaper '48  17:06, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please sign your comments with nothing buy four tilds(~). Don't add anything to the end of it. Anyways, it wouldn't be fair if Pokemon got any more fighters. If Mewtwo returns, then there will be 7 Pokemon characteral already, which isn't fair to series like F-Zero, which has just as many games but only one character. 98.111.95.78 17:16, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're sadly mistaken 98. There are much more Pokemon games than F-Zero games. Also in case you didn't know, Pokemon is the second best selling video game franchise in history (only the Mario series have sold more). Also, the Pokemon Trainer is considered one character. Finally, a character shouldn't be omitted from a Smash Bros. game just because their series already has x characters. This kind of thinking is what keeps many potential characters from being in a SSB game. As for Meowth, I highly doubt he will ever be a smasher and shouldn't. He has no significance in the games at all. I still find it perplexing that Jigglypuff was chosen over Mewtwo twice. Omega Tyrant [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 21:25, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, most playable pokemon appear because they were popularized by the anime. Pikachu is the most popular pokemon, but he plays a very minor rule in the games. He is popular because he has a major rule in the anime. Mewoth plays a major rule as well, so it wouldn't suprise me if he eventually became a playable character. --174.59.4.202 21:10, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

The artwork here
Hmm, while the artwork is certainly more relevent than the previous one, the current one is a bit... low quality. Perhaps we should use artwork from another game before Melee, like Pokemon Stadium or Mystery Dungeon? Mr. Anon teh awsome Anon  Sir Anon  the great  17:55, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a great idea, but 3D Pokemon Stadium games usually lack artwork other than for characters or popular beginner Pokemon. This image was the best I could find. If this helps, all artwork for Pokemon before the third generation was sort of colorless and scratchy.  BNK [ E 18:27, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Weak?
why in the fuck is he so weak in Melee i mean he was the most powerful Pokemon (hes now the 2nd) even Pikachu is more powerful
 * Irrelevant to Melee. Arcues can be in the game and be the weakest. Sign using ~ .--Decepticon.png Mega  Tron1  XD  http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100907023417/pirate-team/images/6/63/PAT1-19px.png 14:08, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

im not saying s/he is the weakest character in melee im just saying hes 1 of the weakest character dispite hes power in hes own series
 * The power does not matter. Nintendo decides how strong they are. Other game strength is irrelevant. Lucario would have a massive offensive power if he was based on the games. Sonic would have more killing power, some characters would have a new Final Smash that's relevant. But Nintendo decided to make some things original and change attributes that a character has in their game. And sign your posts.--Decepticon.png Mega  Tron1  XD  http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100907023417/pirate-team/images/6/63/PAT1-19px.png 14:33, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

true and i guess Nintendo does what it wants if they make a very strong character in its own series bring it 2 theres and making him weak its there problom and becides it debeds on good u are with that character

sorry i fogot to sign my postKillerface45 (talk) 14:38, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

SSB
The article mentions that Mewtwo was slated to appear in the first Smash Bros. but didn't. Is there a source to prove that? --Reversinator (talk) 11:23, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
 * I'd say the source would have been through some interviews with Masahiro Sakurai or possibly evidence from some cut game content.-- Shaun's Wiji Dodo  talk  [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 11:29, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

☆トップの方の、「クッパ」「デデデ」「ミュウツー」などは、実はスマブラ開発中は登場予定だったのですが、諸処の事情でカットになってしまいました・・・. source

Says that Bowser, Dedede and Mewtwo were cut during development. Miles ( talk)  17:15, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

Article icons
Due to the trophy and removed data, should this have a Brawl icon as well? Miles ( talk)  14:50, 27 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Since the article mentions both, then probably yes. Unknown the  Hedgehog  14:53, 27 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Yeah. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Golden 14:53, 27 June 2011 (EDT)

Source of possible SSB4 inclusion
Where was it reported that Sakurai said he was thinking about adding Mewtwo's Mega form? And can someone add this as a reference?  James  Heart  09:45, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
 * I found a reference, adding. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brazen 11:53, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
 * But he was only considering it. Mewtwo still isn't confirmed for SSB4. SeanWheeler (talk) 22:41, 7 November 2013 (EST)
 * Yes, that's why the article says it's not confirmed or denied. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Glow 23:22, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Most Recent Appearance
Sorry to bring up something that isn't going to last, but does it make sense to have Pokemon Bank listed as the most recent appearance? A tool isn't a game: its like saying Mario's most recent appearance is the Mario Clock application (at the time that it was, I mean). If that is actually what this wiki would do, then sorry, my bad, but if not, can I revert the revert of X Y being the most recent? 174.6.89.112 22:51, 30 January 2014 (EST)
 * I question the thought process behind listing an application as the most recent appearance of a character in comparison to a stand-alone title. X and Y should be and will be listed as the most recent appearance unless opposition is brought up. Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 22:56, 30 January 2014 (EST)
 * I think we should count Pokémon Bank as his most recent appearance. The "Most Recent Appearance" section refers to a character's most recent appearance in any official video game or application. Just because it is a tool doesn't mean it doesn't constitute an appearance. Chuck  Norris  24.png 23:13, 30 January 2014 (EST)
 * Pokémon Bank isn't a stand-alone tool; it was designed to be used simultaneously with a Gen V or VI Pokémon game. Besides which, does Mewtwo appear anywhere in the application, namely as part of a design or background image? Because if not, just the option to store a Mewtwo doesn't seem like an appearance.  James JH-Heartless.png Heart  23:28, 30 January 2014 (EST)
 * Yes, you can store Mewtwo in it. Just because he doesn't have a central role in it doesn't mean that he isn't in it, though. And while it may be a tool designed for usage with other Pokémon games, it's still an application. An application counts as an appearance. Mewtwo didn't have a central role in Black and White. He could only be traded and stored in the PC, but (at the time) it was still his most recent appearance. And keep in mind that Pokémon Bank isn't DLC. You don't have to own X or Y to purchase it. It is a standalone application. Chuck  Norris  24.png 23:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)
 * Eh, Pokemon Bank's an application or a tool more than a game proper. I wouldn't count it personally. Miles ( talk)   00:14, 31 January 2014 (EST)

Trivia Arguments
This trivia point is actually rather interesting because out of every single character in the entire Smash franchise, Mewtwo alone is genderless. It's also not exactly obvious because people have assigned gender roles to Mewtwo, and think of R.O.B. as a genderless character when he's referred to by masculine pronouns. See BNK's edit summary.
 * Mewtwo is the only playable character in the Super Smash Bros. series that is genderless.

This trivia point feels forced, if anything. The trophies mention that he's a Legendary Pokémon, and I am hard pressed to believe that there are people who actually think that any of the other playable Pokémon are legendaries.
 * Mewtwo is the only playable Pokémon character in the Super Smash Bros. series that is a Legendary Pokémon.

No Legendary Pokémon has a lower evolutionary state, with Manaphy and Phione being one heck of a messed up exception to the rule. However, it is somewhat believable that a few people might think that Mewtwo and Mew are evolutionary relatives, so perhaps the trivia can remain because it dispels a false belief? I personally don't feel this way, but that's up for discussion.
 * It is also the only playable Pokémon that has no evolutionary relatives.

Palutena's trivia was obvious because the trophies specifically mention her as a Goddess, and no other character in the Smash franchise, bar Rosalina, can potentially even challenge this trivia point without going through a bunch of specifics. Mega Tron1  XD   04:32, 8 August 2014 (EDT)


 * Should we add that he was planned for all four games but only appeared in melee due to either disk space or hardware limitations? rycbar123 (talk) 20:00, 4 November 2014 (EST)

Mewtwo may still be in SSB4
There's a rumor going around that Mewtwo is still in the works as a playable character and will be made available at a later time (presumably after the Wii U version comes out). I would also like to point out that this was being said by the exact same person that leaked the official roster for the 3DS (which turned out to be real) and got in trouble with Nintendo for it. That being said, I think any claims that Mewtwo is not going to be playable in SSB4 should not be mentioned unless it is absolutely proven or officially confirmed that this is the case. I'm not saying we should list rumors or anything, but with this one going around I also don't think we should be claiming that Mewtwo is officially "not a playable character" in SSB4 if we don't really know if that's going to be true or not. --66.41.203.168 22:45, 16 September 2014 (EDT)
 * That doesn't mean you're allowed to repeatedly removing content as it violates 1RV. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:06, 16 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Then don't put it there in the first place. What if what I've heard turns out to be true? Then you'd have to change it, cause by then you'll probably be feeling foolish for jumping the gun on Mewtwo not being playable simply because he wasn't available at the time the 3DS version came out. --66.41.203.168 23:22, 16 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Either way, per NEWGAME, we can't claim that rumor is true either, as it can easily be falsified. It's best to leave the page as it is. If and when the rumor does become true, the page will be changed. Roarmoocowz (talk) 23:29, 16 September 2014 (EDT)
 * But anyway I didn't add that, someone else did. (pun not intended) ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 23:34, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

You're talking about the rumour where the leaker posted an image and then stated five characters (including Mewtwo) were for DLC as the image's caption, right? If so, that text has been confirmed false, as an intentional attempt by the leaker to identify copycats. Toomai Glittershine The Wacko 00:01, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

I'm just going to note: The IP is not the only one who broke 1RV. The rule clearly states that an edit should not be reverted if it is in violation of this policy. This happened twice (and once by the IP).  Qw er ty (t al k)  01:15, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

When you unlock the final character, the game says that all characters are now usable, and when we see the lack of Mewtwo on the character select screen, it's a pretty safe bet that he is not playable.

''What if what I've heard turns out to be true? Then you'd have to change it, cause by then you'll probably be feeling foolish for jumping the gun on Mewtwo not being playable...''

If what you say is true, then I suppose we'd have to admit we're wrong and, yes, change it; however, there isn't anything to feel "foolish" over new information being released. What if our estimation of him not being playable, as we can already see, turns out to be true? Then you'd have to leave it, cause by then you'll probably be feeling foolish for jumping the gun on Mewtwo being playable simply because you listen to baseless rumors and hearsay that say he will be playable, and are in denial that he hasn't returned. Unknown the  Hedgehog  01:39, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

I just thought I'd come and weigh in on this. If Mewtwo does become playable at some point down the line, then yeah, we'll change the article appropriately, but until then, we just say what we know for the time being, which is that he isn't playable (at the moment) and that he's just a trophy. - BrawlMatt202 (talk) 08:51, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

Well, I hate to say "I told you so!", but I did. --66.41.203.168 20:46, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
 * You're right for the wrong reason. While Mewtwo did return, as Toomai said, those rumors you said were proven false as admitted by the leaker. Unknown the  <font color="#000000">Hedgehog  02:03, 24 October 2014 (EDT)

"Smash Bros. appearances" not displaying SSB4?
I'm looking at Mewtwo's infobox and I'm not seeing SSB4 below Melee nor can I add it. Is it supposed to do that until Mewtwo is released or something? Magiciandude (talk) 12:31, 27 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Fixed. The edit has to be made on the infobox page itself. <font color="#FF0000">Unknown <font color="#780000">the  <font color="#000000">Hedgehog  18:14, 6 November 2014 (EST)

Should it be in the DLC category?
As per recent changes. I honestly think it should. Thoughts? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 16:51, 15 December 2014 (EST)

stone edge
in the trophy in brawl, it's using stone edge. can we add that? i'm Valehd the smashbro pro!(talk) 18:09, 3 March 2015 (EST)
 * Floating rocks ≠ Stone Edge the move. Miles ( talk)   18:16, 3 March 2015 (EST)
 * really? search it up on bulbapedia. stone edge is an attack that makes stones float. you've never even played pokemon. my boldore used to know stone edge and whenever she used it, there were floating stones i'm Valehd the smashbro pro!(talk) 10:15, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
 * Approximately 50% of all rock-type attacks involve chucking stones at the target. Your opinion is unfounded. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 10:41, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
 * Trying to sound like a smartass Actually, 68.75% (11/16) of all Rock-type moves fling and/or shoot rocks at the opponent, three of which Mewtwo can learn. However, of these moves the only one that visually looks like the rocks in Mewtwo's trophy is Stone Edge. That being said, I think it's more likely that it was just showing off his power, as Mewtwo cannot naturally learn the move or any rock type moves for that manner. It would make sense since many times in the Pokemon anime have Psychic types lifted rocks to show off their power. Laikue (talk | contribs) 12:07, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
 * Yea, according to Bulbapedia, Mewtwo can't learn Stone Edge at all, be it leveling up, breeding, tutoring, or HM/TMs. [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] Aidan the  Aura Master  12:16, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
 * Stone Edge has an animation that resembles floating stones in certain games (The gen 6 games do not, however. The anime animation also isn't canon.), the description doesn't specifically mention this, but rather that the opponent is being "stabbed" with sharp stones. The fact that the move uses the Attack stat and the fact that many pokemon not capable of telekinesis can learn the move, it seems more likely that the user is simply picking up sharp stones and stabbing the opponent manually. Either way, I think Laikue has the right idea; it's simply Mewtwos power causing the surrounding terrain to break apart. This is something you see in a lot of media, not just Pokemon. ♡ FirstaLasto ♥  12:20, 12 March 2015 (EDT)


 * Erm, look again, Aidan. Mewtwo learns Stone Edge via TM71. That said, I don't think it merits a mention on the page. Zyrac (talk) 12:22, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
 * Mewtwo is using Psychic to control some nearby rocks, mystery solved, moving on. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum  22:12, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
 * mewtwo is clearly using stone edge. the rocks are the ones from stone edge. there are times when pokemon are using moves they can't even learn, such as the time when bulbasaur used whirlwind. there was also a time when typhlosion used tackle. Therefore, mewtwo is using stone edge. i'm Valehd the smashbro pro!(talk)tawlk 2 teh catholic pokemon master 12:05, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
 * You're entitled to think so yourself, but without more definite say-so from an official source this page will not report it as such. Miles ( talk)   12:08, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
 * those floating stones are the EXACT same ones used in stone edge so clearly mewtwo is using stone edge. i'm Valehd the smashbro pro!(talk)tawlk 2 teh catholic pokemon master 21:02, 25 July 2015 (EDT)

Two Mewtwo in SSB4?
Thought about this for a while...

Do you think it's possible that both "genders" of Mewtwo will appear in SSB4? Not trying to spread rumors or anything; it just occurred to me that Mewtwo (aside from its recent and upcoming trophies) has another trophy that shows both of its Mega Forms (which itself was even displayed in the 50-Fact Extravaganza).

Spread the love of Mewtwo! :D Hylia&#39;s Eye (talk) 14:53, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
 * Essentially, we don't know yet. The Mewtwo model we were shown loosely resembles the first movie Mewtwo design which appeared in Melee, but the differences are minimal. We should be sure to keep the Mewtwo-related information factual as opposed to speculative, as there's a lot we still don't know about its DLC appearance and shouldn't be guessing at. Miles ( talk)   15:00, 13 March 2015 (EDT)


 * I'm aware that there's no official information at the moment. I possibly guessed at it, but like I said, I not trying to spread anything that isn't true. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. Hylia&#39;s Eye (talk) 16:08, 13 March 2015 (EDT)

P.S. By the way, did the 50 FE ever mention Mewtwo's official download date (let alone registering before the 31st)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hylia's Eye (talk • contribs) 16:08, 13 March 2015
 * No it did not, just the general timeframe of "spring 2015", which could be anytime from tomorrow through mid-June. And even then, SSB3DS was initially promised a summer 2014 release date and even in Japan that ended up meaning September, so I wouldn't expect it to be too soon. (Also, please remember to sign talk page posts with ~ .) Miles ( talk)   16:41, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
 * If anything, we'd be getting Mega Mewtwo X as a Final Smash, considering how M2X is not only Psychic, but also Fighting (that, and the design for the design for M2Y seems a bit...wonky for Smash) [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] Aidan the  Aura Master  19:07, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
 * I think Mega Y is more likely, because it is the more popular (being featured in a movie, for one thing), much like Charizard X. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 20:34, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
 * Wonky?...You mean "Worky?" Typo. :PHylia&#39;s Eye (talk) 18:42, 26 March 2015 (EDT)
 * Wonky is a word. Laikue (talk | contribs) 20:20, 26 March 2015 (EDT)
 * and worky isn't ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 21:16, 26 March 2015 (EDT)

mewtwo is genderless i'm Valehd the smashbro pro!(talk)tawlk 2 teh catholic pokemon master 12:07, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Mewtwo's species
Its species is actually Genetic, not Mewtwo. --66.75.68.110 00:08, 27 March 2015 (EDT)
 * This brings up an interesting question. Should we be labeling the Pokemon species as the name of the Pokemon, or as the Pokedex species? Genetic Pokemon, Mouse Pokemon, Balloon Pokemon, ect. ♡ FirstaLasto ♥  13:23, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
 * The Pokedex "species" label is not the same thing. These rows should be the same as the article title ("Mewtwo") or, frankly, just "Pokemon". Miles ( talk)   13:39, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
 * the species is NOT the name of the pokemon! when will ANYONE understand!? i'm Valehd the smashbro pro!(talk)tawlk 2 teh catholic pokemon master 21:00, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
 * I agree that species should be "Pokémon" for all Pokémon and not their names. May I change these? Serpent King  ( talk ) 21:40, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
 * Although it would sound generic, I feel like "Pokémon" itself is a species name so we could do that instead since they're all considered "Pokémon" anyways. D  o  t  s  (talk) Mega Man X SNES sprite.png The Wii U 22:11, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
 * mewtwo's is genetic, charizard's is flame, and so on. and i'm leaving NIWA. stop torturing Valehd the smashbro pro!(explain the torture to me, you two!) 16:33, 8 August 2015 (EDT)

Artificially Created
Should we mention that it, alongside Snake were Artificially created in their trivia sections? AgedofallStrings (talk) 20:59, March 29, 2021 (EDT)