Talk:List of rumors/Archive 6

Vergeben Split
Just to keep this topic relevant. I still support either splitting the Vergeben rumors into it's own page or migrating Vergeben's correct/confirmed leaks to the Leak page. Reason being the section is too large at over 9,000 bytes. The One IP Dude (talk) 05:18, June 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * Last time, the admins decided on the discord (apparently; I don’t use discord) that Vergeben wasn’t notable enough. I heavily disagree with this notion. Vergeben is still talked about on reddit and gamefaqs, and I don’t even think Gemastu went on for this long. I’d argue that Vergeben is more notable than Gemastu based on how it’s been ongoing for over a year alone. Also, even if we shouldn’t split him, the fact that the only thing missing right now is a Minecraft boss doesn’t disqualify the fact that the rest of his info was correct. Since Loz18 is on both this page and the leaks page for his correct and incorrect content, we should leave the Minecraft mentions on this page, then move the rest over to the leaks page. Lou Cena (talk) 13:50, June 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * I support this proposition. CardboardLuigi (talk) 14:07, June 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * Supporting the split once again --Tailikku (talk) 16:21, June 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * I support Vergeben is clearly notable enough. Jf811 (talk) 22:11, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * Support. Clear notability. Bwburke94 (talk) 17:26, July 7, 2019 (EDT)
 * Support. Agreed honestly, the Minecraft Leak was probably Rathalos anyway.RobbyB3ll4s (talk), July 10, 2019 (EST)

Support. Operationgamer17 (talk) 15:01, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
 * Support. --Doggieboy9 (talk) 11:31, July 15, 2019 (EDT)

Kraut Man Bad REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Seriously you still haven't done this yet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.56.148.18 (talk • contribs) 00:58, August 1, 2019
 * We're still working on it. --Tailikku (talk) 23:49, September 2, 2019 (EDT)
 * Like you're working on the title change/split/merger with rumors that has been going on for five months now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.56.148.18 (talk • contribs) 00:53, September 3, 2019
 * I think you might be satisfied now, considering that the verdict has been reached. --Tailikku (talk) 11:40, September 3, 2019 (EDT)

Milk-BOSATU rumor
There is a rumor going on right after E3 2019 that a Japanese twitter user named Milk-BOSATU (or niconico_test_1 at his twitter account) has sources related to one of the DLC fighters in the fighters pass.

https://twitter.com/niconico_test_1/status/1050302553118859265

This one of the sources that Milk-BOSATU got right and this is just before Smash Ultimate was out and it said that the Hero from Dragon Quest will be in smash as a playable with alts based off other heroes (he also said that the hero doesn't have any female alts) and the Switch would have VR content, both of which are right (the Switch VR content is later revealed to be part of Nintendo Labo series and the Hero's alts are revealed in his trailer.).

Next up, Milk-BOSATU has sources given from his friend named, Mr. H and he stated that Mr. H went to Nintendo and saw one of the DLC fighters, here is a collection of links that Milk-BOSATU got from Mr. H.

https://twitter.com/niconico_test_1/status/1073789370606354432

https://twitter.com/niconico_test_1/status/1140068471037820930

https://twitter.com/niconico_test_1/status/1140518695032070144

https://twitter.com/niconico_test_1/status/1140584584477679616

https://twitter.com/niconico_test_1/status/1141278892281307137

https://twitter.com/niconico_test_1/status/1141276425644695552

Here is so far we know about Milk-BOSATU's info on the next character.
 * She is a female.
 * She throws a weapon like a hammer or a boomerang.
 * She looks like a fighting game character which means that she might not be from a game franchise with a fighting genre.
 * She will come right after Banjo and Kazooie.
 * She is not Neptune or Reimu.
 * The 3D model of her doesn't have color (probably from a 3D software).

Would you put that into the rumors page? --Andreepika11233 (talk) 16:25, June 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * I personally think it should. It's reminiscent of similar rumors. CardboardLuigi (talk) 19:00, June 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * Even though it's already on the rumors page, there's one big hole in the speculation: Team NepDon said that "H" visited Nintendo where they saw the untextured female model, even though Nintendo isn't the one making the game, but rather Bandai-Namco. --Tailikku (talk) 16:14, August 8, 2019 (EDT)

Update on the rumor, as of yesterday: Mai is off the cards because of Sakurai's reasonings. --Tailikku (talk) 19:33, November 7, 2019 (EST)

Moving to "Rumors"
While I personally think it should be moved instead to "Rumor" (we don't call the leak page "Leaks" after all), it always bothered me that this page was called "List of rumors" while the leak page was simply called "Leak". - EndGenuity (talk) 17:00, June 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * I support this move.--Tailikku (talk) 17:39, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * I oppose this move. Simply calling it "rumor" sounds very incomplete. CardboardLuigi (talk) 21:38, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * What if we moved Leak to List of Leaks instead? Lou Cena (talk) 13:44, June 25, 2019 (EDT)
 * I feel like that's a bit too wordy. Maybe Leaks would be a more suitable name than List of leaks. -- PolipedeScorbunnySmashIcon.png Scorbunny (talk • contributions) 14:12, June 26, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'm in full swing support, but I'd call the page Rumors instead since we are talking about numerous rumors. -- PolipedeScorbunnySmashIcon.png Scorbunny (talk • contributions) 14:12, June 26, 2019 (EDT)
 * Support for reasons mentioned above. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer  Leave a message if needed 14:14, June 26, 2019 (EDT)
 * I support this move. The One IP Dude (talk) 13:35, June 28, 2019 (EDT)

Strong oppose because I think "leak" should instead be moved to "list of notable leaks", and this goes to "list of notable rumours". Toomai Glittershine The Interspacial 11:00, July 6, 2019 (EDT)
 * Support in theory, but superseded by the other request. I'd prefer both to be "List of..." if they had to share a title. Bwburke94 (talk) 17:26, July 7, 2019 (EDT)

Slight update: per my post on the leak page's talk, I am fine with any name as long as the names are made consistent. - EndGenuity (talk) 18:18, July 7, 2019 (EDT)

So, um... have we reached a consensus here? Asking so I can move this and/or Leak. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer Leave a message if needed 14:00, July 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * There's a complication with trying to make the move, since it claims that the page "Rumors" already exists, even though it doesn't exist. I think what is going on is that it is hitting a snag with the redirect.--Tailikku (talk) 13:43, September 13, 2019 (EDT)

Oppose "Rumors" sounds silly.  SupαToαd64,  the Best   06:37, September 24, 2019 (EDT)

Update again: move to "List of notable rumors" and "List of confirmed leaks". (Also maybe get the ball rolling on this discussion again.....) - EndGenuity (talk) 12:47, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

Paragon Leak
So I only just now found out about this leak, but it's pretty interesting. Basically, before E3 2019, a Discord user by the name of Paragon claimed a number of things about the Fighters Pass, including the presence of Hero, with the Luminary as the default alt along with Erdrick, the Dragon Quest 8 protagonist, and one other one that they didn't recognize (Solo). They also noted that they would kick off the Direct (though they used the term "trailer") and that they would have a JRPG mechanic (presumably the MP Gauge). They then went on to say that Banjo's reveal would be a repeat of K. Rool's, but with Duck Hunt being the fakeout. (Additionally, they claimed Breath of the Wild 2 was happening.) This makes their next two claims a little more plausible - Challenger Pack 4 will reportedly feature Undertale representation, with the character likely being either Sans or Frisk, along with the claim that Waluigi will round out the Fighters Pass. Notably, Paragon also says that K. Rool's fate in Banjo's trailer - being buried underground - will lead into the Undertale reveal. I can understand that there are issues here - Waluigi is an Assist Trophy, and the rumored characters clash with other reputable leaks, but unless it's been debunked already, I think it deserves a spot on the list of rumors section. I've had my own reasons for thinking an Undertale rep could get in as well - we know Nintendo chose the DLC characters, and one of the first articles for the Indie News channel on the Switch was a two-part interview with Undertale dev Toby Fox. (This was in September, if I remember correctly.) There was a picture headlining it, showing Toby - his face covered up by the Annoying Dog - standing outside of Nintendo of Japan's headquarters. and the article confirmed he received a tour of the building. I would think that the interview was also conducted there, but why? Wouldn't it make more sense to hold the interview over the Internet, or even at Nintendo of America HQ? It makes me think that Toby was brought to the Japan HQ for a reason - Nintendo wanted to approach him about the possibility of including an Undertale character as DLC for Smash Ultimate. I think this leak might have a shot at being legit, but at the same time, I could definitely see that not being the case. Thoughts on adding it to the list of rumors section?

Oh, and here's the image: https://twitter.com/JakeofAura/status/1139994686691651587/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1139994686691651587&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcomicbook.com%2Fgaming%2F2019%2F06%2F19%2Fsuper-smash-bros-ultimate-nintendo-switch-dlc-waluigi%2F

PikaPhantom (talk) 16:09, July 17, 2019 (EDT)PikaPhantom
 * I saw this. Given:
 * A. a huge lack of major indie representation seen in Smash (we only have had Commander Video, Shantae, and Shovel Knight, but where are bigger ones like Cave Story or Binding of Isaac?)
 * B. Sakurai's near-outright refusal to make Waluigi a character
 * C. the fact that anyone can make a leak
 * I'm more inclined to believe that this was a case of someone having legitimate information (Hero and Banjo) and adding whatever they want on top to make them seem to know everything. That has happened before. Granted, if this proves to be true, I'll eat my words, but right now, I don't think this is all that noteworthy to put on here, because I only ever really saw a few people talk about this. Aidan,  the Rurouni  16:16, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'd agree that Waluigi means it's bull, but i don't get why the presence of some indie content means more is less likely. Who even asked for Isaac, anyway? Crittler1000+ (talk) 15:09, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * I thought it was proven false, they're still parading this one around?
 * On a side note, King K. Rool being buried underground is obviously a reference to Gruntilda's fate at the end of Banjo-Kazooie, not the opening to Undertale. The stipulation at play here is on the same level as that "pancakes theory" regarding the same trailer. CardboardLuigi (talk) 20:35, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

Reply by random non-english guy - Waluigi could just be a symbol, someone that disguises another one, a code name, a lure... - The reference to Gruntilda's fate isn't an obstacle to it becoming the opening to Undertale.

About the Adeline “leak”
I leave you with this. Read the whole thread. https://twitter.com/shameless_SMT/status/1156121889460412416 Operationgamer17 (talk) 07:22, July 30, 2019 (EDT)

Terry Bogard
Yall motherfuckers are slow when this has been buzzing around all weekend, and then Kraut Man himself even confirmed the name as his "Leak" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.56.148.18 (talk • contribs) 21:39, September 2, 2019
 * Actually he didn't. He claimed that it would be Terry, not confirmed that it would be Terry. Again, you really seem to be obsessed with hating on Vergeben just because his confirmed rumors are still listed as rumors. But that's just it, he's still making claims. --Tailikku (talk) 23:49, September 2, 2019 (EDT)
 * Once is coincidence, twice is conspiracy, three times is enemy action, and He basically got half a dozen things right.. Meanwhile the DARLING of Smash Wiki Loz18 admitted over discord that his own "Leak" was a crapshoot guess he got lucky with, and got literally everything after that completely wrong. You people are hilarious with your UNIRONIC Kraut Man Bad shit that you dont even know when someone is parodying you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.56.148.18 (talk • contribs) 01:09, September 3, 2019
 * WE never said Loz18 was the darling, YOU did. I've almost half a mind to report your IP for your behavior, calling people almost unaffiliated with the wiki. And as was said before, he got lucky with his information, but he's still making claims so it's almost impossible to put him on the Leaks page.--Tailikku (talk) 10:05, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * And just proved my point by saying Vergeben is making "claims" after every "claim" ended up being true. Meanwhile I suppose Loz18 made actual leaks right? Isn't Skull Kid fun to play as?
 * Can you actually chill for a bit? Vergeben now (controversially) has a page, and Loz18 was year-old news. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  17:25, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * Oh Tailikku, what were you saying about being lucky? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.56.148.18 (talk • contribs) 19:14, September 4, 2019
 * Certainly not you, not Loz18. Again, you need to chill about both Vergeben and Loz18, and you need to learn to sign your comments.--Tailikku (talk) 19:22, September 4, 2019 (EDT)
 * I will repeat. Once is coincidence, Twice is Conspiracy, Three times is enemy action.. We are now up to at least 9. Or should i not believe my lying eyes and keep maining Skull Kid? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.56.148.18 (talk • contribs) 19:31, September 4, 2019.
 * That last option is the most viable for you, since Vergeben never made the claim for Skull Kid; your "waifu", "blessed" Loz18 did. Please, just stop.--Tailikku (talk) 20:09, September 4, 2019 (EDT)
 * Then why is Loz18, someone who over discord admitted his only real "Leak" was just a lucky guess still legitimized as a true leak. Far before Vergeben got that and WAY before Verge got his own page hmmm? Why is verge's section on said leak page with a prefix that Loz18 doesnt have when his track record is far and away better than Loz18. Why is it you think i been pulling this parody of Smash Wiki and the Kraut Man Bad act for so long to the point that you forgot the point of the parody. :P Maybe it's because someone is getting special treatment while not to the point of idolitry, it is to the point that other more proven leakers have not been given, especially the one who has gotten basically every claim he's made right.
 * Conspiracy or no, just give it up, now that you've outed yourself as a troll. --Tailikku (talk) 17:55, September 5, 2019 (EDT)

7-Eleven Posters
Since the two 7-Eleven posters we're intentionally published by Nintendo to advertise their content (albeit only in Japan), wouldn't those not count as rumors or leaks? Searingjet (talk) 13:23, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * The rumor comes from the date that they'll be taken down, not from the poster itself. Aidan,  the Rurouni  14:28, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * In that case, wouldn't that just be speculation akin to the "box" theory, which isn't listed on this page? Searingjet (talk) 18:05, September 3, 2019 (EDT)

Miku-BOSATU 2 rumor
Should we consider this a fake at this point? It seems that Terry being the fourth character directly contradicts most of his/her claims. Rdrfc (talk) 18:29, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
 * I don't think we should, seeing as they mentioned that the fighter is female, and Terry has only been female for one game (not counting being Midnight Blissed in SVC Chaos).--Tailikku (talk) 19:41, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
 * The Terry we got is male and their source implied that they saw a model of the character in development.Rdrfc (talk) 03:54, September 6, 2019 (EDT)
 * He did not claim that the character was the 4th, so we should wait. --Capstalker (talk) 10:39, September 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * Terry has a ponytail, so it's understandable that he would think it's a female. --Fool to the Floss (talk) 15:29, September 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * No, he said the character wears Japanese clothes, obviously not Terry.--Capstalker (talk) 22:02, September 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * Could that model he was talking about could be a female alt for Terry? --MasterChief (talk) 19:10, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
 * Aside from the fact that the supposed character in question wears traditional Japanese clothes, it's very unlikely that we are going to get a Fatal Cutie alt because alternate costumes have to share the same skeleton and animations, and girl Terry isn't tall and muscular enough to work. Rdrfc (talk) 03:33, October 10, 2019 (EDT)

Shinobi602
Before Banjo and Kazooie were revealed at E3, they were leaked by this Internet user named "shinobi602", who has also been right with other leaks in the past. Do you guys plan on adding that leak as a section? Here is the message that leaked Banjo. 108.171.135.188 12:06, September 6, 2019 (EDT)
 * It was moved to the Leaks page. --Tailikku (talk) 13:02, September 6, 2019 (EDT)

Update on that Doom rumor
I think it should be added that now, Doom 64 is announced for Switch, so maybe that's what he meant in the interview? --MasterChief (talk) 18:46, September 10, 2019 (EDT)
 * It's important to add, but no way to know for sure that that's ALL he meant. Both Doom: Eternal and Doom 64 launch just before the Game Awards, where we are likely getting the 5th character reveal. So we'll see. The One IP Dude (talk) 09:20, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yeah since we've heard that Doom 64 is simultaneously releasing on all major consoles, and not just the Switch, I believe there is more to his claim. As nothing exclusive has been announced for the Switch. All Doom ports are multi-platform. The One IP Dude (talk) 11:06, October 19, 2019 (EDT)

Simon/Chrom/Incineroar amiibo
I noticed that on https://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/line-up/ Simon, Chrom and Incineroar amiibos are listed to release on 15th October this year. Amiibos were released some time after release of DLC fighter. Does this mean that Terry is going release in first half of October?
 * It says they're coming out November 15th for me, so the "November 2019" release date wasn't a lie. CardboardLuigi (talk) 10:41, September 21, 2019 (EDT)

Whoops, sorry, English is my second language, i confused months. Also, sorry for late reply

PapaGenos
I heavily disagree with adding anything PapaGenos related on here. He has consistently posted false leaks and is overall very unreliable. Also, I believe if he's basically taboo on our Discord server, that should say something for his inclusion here. Cookies Creme  11:27, October 19, 2019 (EDT)
 * This particular rumor has blown up on GameFAQS. PapaGenos isn't focused on posting leaks, he covers them, and mainly the big ones. There's no credible evidence that he is unreliable when he is closely connected with credible leakers like VRPlant and Sabi. The only people upset with him, are the ones that claim PapaGenos supported the Grinch Leak. In his videos since the Grinch Leak, he has stated multiple times, that he had sources claiming Banjo would be DLC, and so as MANY people did, he thought the Grinch leak had some credibility, because he was hearing Banjo's name. (He explains this in his videos after Banjos reveal). Many of the rumors posted in the Smash Ultimate section, are leaks that PapaGenos has covered before, but never does he personally back these claims. Instead he'll often be upfront and tell his viewers not to believe a rumor like all the recent Geno and Ryu news. I argue to keep this post here, until the fifth DLC character has been announced, as PapaGenos' sources have been proven reliable, and that the source he credits in the video was verified by three other people. The One IP Dude (talk) 11:45, October 19, 2019 (EDT)
 * If it blew up on GameFAQs, why not call it some GameFAQs leaks or the like instead of PapaGenos? It's better to link where it originated. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  11:48, October 19, 2019 (EDT)
 * Originated with PapaGenos, has since blown up on GameFAQS and other Smash boards. His video explains that the leak is from his Discord source, who also correctly leaked Banjo, Hero, Mii Costumes. PG mentions in the video, that the Mii Costume leak was verified by three other people, not just him. The YouTube video is the most convenient link for this topic. Again, keep this here until Fighter 5 gets announced then it can get deleted, because at this time the leaker has been credible with Banjo, Hero and Mii Costume leaks. The One IP Dude (talk) 11:57, October 19, 2019 (EDT)

Bit of a slip up
https://www.facebook.com/BrewBirdIsTheWord/posts/743526456001479 https://twitter.com/BrewBirdElfen/status/1186379920517169153 Brew has yet to claim that Ryu is indeed #5 and has remained on the front that he's just a reveal for 2019.174.126.188.47 12:59, October 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * He says in the tweet that Ryu is very likely #5. The One IP Dude (talk) 12:24, October 25, 2019 (EDT)

Crash Bandicoot
Boo! Just because some random person said no Crash doesn't automatically deconfirm the leak! People can be WRONG you know! --MasterChief (talk) 10:12, October 27, 2019 (EDT)--MasterChief (talk) 10:12, October 27, 2019 (EDT)
 * The point's been made on the post that the counter could be incorrect. The One IP Dude (talk) 11:57, October 28, 2019 (EDT)

Terry 7-11
Maybe there's an ad in 7-11 says about Terry and Sword/Shield Starfan13 (talk) 16:42, November 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * Not right now; until November 15th it's for Luigi's Mansion 3 and Mario and Sonic at Tokyo 2020. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  19:49, November 3, 2019 (EST)
 * * 17th. Aidan,  the Rurouni  20:39, November 3, 2019 (EST)

The Mii Leak
There's now a lot more evidence suggesting it's fake. Chomper4 (talk) 14:37, November 19, 2019 (EST)

This sentence doesn't really make sence... "Although early on some members of the Ultimate modding community noted the difficulty in modifying Mii costumes for the game, adding further credibility to the supposed leak, later evidence proved otherwise, supporting this explanation for the rumor." Perhaps it should be changed. 73.31.9.110 10:02, November 20, 2019 (EST) SquireTurnbolt

At this point, I believe that the Mii Costume leak should be noted that both Terry and Byleth's set of Mii Costumes don't feature either Mallow nor Cacodemon, in addition to the statement that puts the chances of the Doom Slayer/Guy into question. --Celerity910 (talk) 21:51, January 28, 2020 (EST)

This is a bad arguement: why would Terry include those costumes when it was fighter focused? If Geno and/or DoomGuy were coming as DLC at some point, I doubt they would want to spoil their appearances with Byleth's presentation. After all, Fighter Pass 2 was only confirmed during then. We still have yet to see anyone from Fighter Pass 2, so the Byleth statement is also redundant until further notice.

About Shinjis Answer on Sora
It is possible that he was under NDA and lied by saying he wasn't planned. 174.229.2.192 13:55, December 4, 2019 (EST)
 * Judging by how the base roster was already decided by then, as well as DLC decisions not being finalized, I don't believe that's the case. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  15:18, December 4, 2019 (EST)
 * Possible, but there's no evidence to support that. The One IP Dude (talk) 07:13, December 28, 2019 (EST)

Ultimate Rumors Clean-up
With a second fighters pass announced, no doubt many more rumors are going to arrive over the next couple years - causing the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate section to become even larger and cluttered. As an idea to clean up the section, wondering if anyone would be in support of dividing up Rumors about Super Smash Bros. Ultimate with different sub-headers. With the headers being, Base Game Rumors, Fighters Pass Rumors and eventually Fighters Pass 2 Rumors. Otherwise it may be worth removing/deleting some outdated or less notable rumors from places like 4chan. Thoughts? The One IP Dude (talk) 09:42, January 17, 2020 (EST)
 * Conceptually dividing it up sounds like a good idea, but I just see more practicality from just removing the less than notable stuff. CardboardLuigi (talk) 13:35, January 17, 2020 (EST)
 * I support breaking up the rumors for Ultimate. --Tailikku (talk) 16:08, January 20, 2020 (EST)
 * Alrighty I've divided it up for now, seems to make it more coherent. If it's an issue, happy for it to be changed back, but at least it breaks up the Rumors. Removing less notable stuff seems to be the way to go over time. The One IP Dude (talk) 10:40, January 18, 2020 (EST)

If you ask me, I believe at least these rumors should be cleared: To sum it up, these leaks are basically misinterpretations are just random posts, and aren't notable as most of the others on here. Cookies Creme  10:53, January 18, 2020 (EST)
 * Interpretation leak: Basically people looking too much into a simple image. The same goes for the Pete Hines Nintendo Power Interview
 * 4chan DLC leak: Sounds more like any normal 4chan leak than an actual notable one.
 * 5channel Dragon Quest leak: Again, the only reason it's on here is that it was able to correctly predict some things. That shouldn't be listed as notable, since anyone can predict and still get it right.
 * I agree with removing most of those except the Pete Hines Nintendo Power Interview, that one hasn't quite been debunked yet. The One IP Dude (talk) 11:28, January 18, 2020 (EST)
 * The point is that the "leak" is just taking a quote out of context/reading too much into something. The only connection it has with Smash is that around the same time several leaks mentioned Doom Guy as a character, and all of those have been debunked since he wasn't in Fighter's Pass 1. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  21:37, January 18, 2020 (EST)
 * Well considering the Cacodemon Mii costume has yet to be debunked either, I'd say just keep it for the time being. The One IP Dude (talk) 03:39, January 19, 2020 (EST)
 * Those are 2 different scenarios though. The Doom Guy one, again, is people taking something out of context. The other one actually has pictures to back it up and is 100% related to Smash. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  16:16, January 20, 2020 (EST)
 * Let me make it clear: there is no relationship between the interview and Smash aside from people looking too much into the words. It's the same as the interpretation leak. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  16:17, January 20, 2020 (EST)
 * All I'm saying is hold onto that post until it's officially addressed, like the interpretation leak eventually was. The One IP Dude (talk) 00:01, January 21, 2020 (EST)

(reset indent) It has been addressed. It's a June 14, 2019 interview, and we got a bunch of Doom stuff for the Switch, but no Doom Guy for Smash. Even if he is FP2, why would Peter tease him when barely half of FP1 has been announced? Plus, not all rumors are always addressed: would we still keep this even if Peter never said anything else about Smash in the future? Cookies Creme  15:28, January 21, 2020 (EST)
 * Not quite, everything announced for Switch was also multi-platform. Not exactly a surprise. The One IP Dude (talk) 20:43, January 21, 2020 (EST)
 * That could have been the "surprise" he was referring to; The word itself is subjective. Nevertheless, this point has basically been made void at this point and should be removed. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  11:28, January 22, 2020 (EST)
 * There we go, I've updated both posts with official comments from the Doom Eternal director that dropped today. Just wanted that official word. The One IP Dude (talk) 11:30, January 22, 2020 (EST)
 * Just so you know, not all misinterpreted statements will get an official word from someone. Anyways, now that there is confirmation, point should be removed along with the rest I pointed out.
 * While I'm on it, there's a forum post talking about the list of rumors page. Would love some feedback. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  11:33, January 22, 2020 (EST)

(reset indent) I've thought for sometime that the Sora rumor could probably be deleted, as it's literally a misinterpretation. Thoughts? The One IP Dude (talk) 12:11, January 22, 2020 (EST)
 * I guess so, since no one really remembers it as well. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  12:19, January 22, 2020 (EST)

"Doom/Super Mario RPG Mii Costume" edit
For some reason, I'm not allowed to edit the Rumors page, but can someone remove the "In a January 2020 interview Doom Eternal director Marty Stratton revealed that the Doom team hadn't been approached by Nintendo about Doomguy appearing in Super Smash Bros. calling into question the validity of this leak." from the section I used in the title? This line was in reference to the supposed Cacodemon Mii head from the supposed leak yet it literally has no relation to it at all. Doomguy doesn't need to be added in order for costumes based on Doom to exist. Pizzasoda66 (talk) 20:13, January 30, 2020 (EST)
 * The line says "calling into question the validity of this leak". It's not 100% de-confirming anything. Regardless, the Doomguy dismissal is a significant blow against any Doom content arriving in Smash, and it should be kept in its current state, unless some Doom content i.e. Cacodemon costume, does wind up being announced for Smash in the future. The One IP Dude (talk) 11:08, February 3, 2020 (EST)

Ubisoft Sam bot smash ultimate
https://twitter.com/RaymanForSmash/status/1253147215243218944 So Ubisoft's bot, Sam cannot say anything about super smash bros ultimate DLC as of April 22nd, 2020, should this be added to the rumors page? Andreepika11233 (talk) 09:21, April 24, 2020 (EDT)

Move the redirect Rumors
Consensus: Let me hear your opinions on this article. Should it be moved? SonDaniel (talk page) 17:27, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
 * Leak currently has a discussion to move it to "List of confirmed/notable leaks". Renaming this page to "Rumor" honestly sounds awful. 72.203.118.154 14:41, April 29, 2020 (EDT)
 * An open discussion to move this page is already here some sections up. - EndGenuity (talk) 15:04, April 29, 2020 (EDT)

Bigby Wolf
I get that there's little reason to believe someone like Bigby Wolf from The Wolf Among Us would get in, but I feel it'd still be worth putting in the list of rumors.

On March 31st, Marcus Sellars (yes, I know) claimed that Bigby Wolf would be one of the characters in the Pass.

https://twitter.com/Marcus_Sellars/status/1245139968764321792

Admittedly, he DID get something relating to The Wolf Among Us happening at last year's VGAs right.

https://twitter.com/Marcus_Sellars/status/1199752059773497346

Following that, on April 3rd, VGCultureHQ covered this rumor, even stating that they've "corroborated it with one of [their] sources", seemingly trying to verify that what Marcus Sellars is saying is correct.

http://vgculturehq.com/rumor-new-super-smash-bros-ultimate-dlc-character-revealed/

And finally, on April 23rd, a new user by the name of "srallessucram" (which may or may not be Sellars himself given it's his name backwards) posted what appears to be bits of Bigby Wolf's reveal trailer on Imgur.

https://imgur.com/gallery/Sd3YTYF

I very much doubt this thing, but it's still worth documenting at least. (GoldenYuiitusin (talk) 23:36, May 9, 2020 (EDT))
 * Marcus Sellars has been proven false multiple times, and as such we do not add any of his supposed "leaks". Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  23:49, May 9, 2020 (EDT)


 * No offence, but that seems ass-backwards when there's MORE than just Sellars' word here. There's a second claim and footage. (GoldenYuiitusin (talk) 23:58, May 9, 2020 (EDT))


 * Hey chill. He's just saying because Marcus Sellers is unreliable the chances of this being false is high. Even rumors that have multiple claims have been proven false, after all how many rumors have you heard about Geno being playable, yet it never happened. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]]  OmegαToαd64 •  the Best Kαrter  00:05, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
 * All I said is that it was ass-backwards, a phrase that is officially recognized in the English dictionary to mean "ludicrously disordered". No need to tell me to "chill", bro. That is the absolute quickest way to legitimately piss someone off.
 * This is not comparable to what you're saying anyway. This is someone with a (not going to deny) shaky track record saying something only for a secondary source to say "yes, this is correct" and video footage that relates to said claim that several gaming sites are covering as a rumor. Regardless of whether it's legit or not (which it most likely isn't but still), this page is supposed to be about notable rumors. Regardless of who said it first, this is a notable rumor that is going around and should be included on the page.


 * So yes, I would say refusing to cover it just because "Marcus Sellars said it first" is indeed ass-backwards and sorry if that phrase offends you. (GoldenYuiitusin (talk) 00:24, May 10, 2020 (EDT))


 * The only difference between this and his others is that he has a backup source. Many rumors can have a backup source, but are still proven false. Most places I looked don't say much about whether it's real or false, in fact most say it's false. Unless it becomes widespread across the internet I don't believe it's that notable. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]]  OmegαToαd64 •  the Best Kαrter  00:56, May 10, 2020 (EDT)


 * So after doing more research I'll analyse whether it fits with our rumors guidelines:


 * "Notability of rumors should involve either having significant speculation and/or spread in the community (such as large threads on SmashBoards or coverage by notable gaming-related newssites), or have a notable characteristic that differentiates them from other rumors."


 * As far as I know this has no large threads spreading speculation on sites other than on his Twitter claim, and even there almost everyone was saying "fake". For differentiates characteristics the only notable thing is that a leaker with a bad reputation has a backup claim saying it's true. That doesn't really make it worth putting on this page unless he made previous claims and all but one of them were true.


 * If you ask me this is more of a fad (a rather small one at that) because he had a second claim saying it's true. This isn't worth it if you ask me. And don't worry I ain't offended, and yeah admittedly "chill" wasn't the best way to put it I guess, but it just seemed you were upset because it was shot down quickly. A geneal tip: saying something that would potentially offend someone is not the best way to reply. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]]  OmegαToαd64 •  the Best Kαrter  01:31, May 10, 2020 (EDT)


 * What’s the secondary source? SonDaniel SonDanielSignatureHead1.pngSonDanielSignatureHead2.png (talk page) 15:06, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
 * And I admit, that Imgur source looks real, but not enough to be convincing. SonDaniel SonDanielSignatureHead1.pngSonDanielSignatureHead2.png (talk page) 15:11, May 10, 2020 (EDT)

I should probably elaborate more on my opinion so that it's not "ass-backwards."
 * 1) Get a few things right =/= leaker. As I said before, Marcus Sellars has gotten loads of things wrong, including covering a purposefully false leak and the pro Switch model. Just because he got The Wolf Among Us reveal at TGA right doesn't mean he's 100% credible when it comes to that game. I predicted Inkling and Simon Belmont getting into the next Smash game before the game was teased; does that make me a credible leaker?
 * 2) If you take a second and read the VGCulture article, not only mostly bias towards Marcus Sellars, but literally anyone can say that they "corroborated it with one of our sources." Frankly, it's very naive to assume that anyone who states that is actually telling the whole truth.
 * 3) As for the Imgur, you can see it loop itself right at the end. Not only that, but anyone with the right tools can fake Smash reveals.

I don't have to elaborate much on our guidelines as well as it's been stated above, but simply put this rumor is most likely fake and is not as notable as other rumors. Cookies Creme  15:36, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
 * The Imgur video is very obviously fake. Any person who has watched any of the official Smash reveals for Ultimate should know that this is completely fabricated. Why are we wasting our time discussing this? As for Sellars, one iffy source doesn't mean we should add it to the article. KungFuLakitu, Spiny Overlord 15:47, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
 * (edit conflict) As for your point that "several gaming sites are covering as a rumor," I quickly looked it up and there are only a few websites that covered the "leak," and those websites have covered several erroneous and non-notable leaks in the past, mostly for the clicks. If a bigger news network covered it, then it would be more notable.
 * A final point I forgot to mention: Bigby Wolf's a comic book character. Sakurai has stated many times that Smash is only for video game characters, most recently just last year. Goku's known to be in many video games, most recently the popular fighting game DragonBall FighterZ, and Iron Man has appeared in the Nintendo-exclusive Marvel Alliance 3, yet they aren't even considered for Smash. There is basically a 0% chance that Bigby will even get in. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  15:51, May 10, 2020 (EDT)

Yeah... so clearly we are not putting this on the page, so let's just end this discussion here before things get out of hand. Everything that needs to be said has been said so there's no reason to continue this.  OmegαToαd64 •  the Best Kαrter  17:33, May 10, 2020 (EDT)