Talk:Super Smash Bros. 4/Archive 1

I am still highly uncertain whether we should have this sort of page. While it's currently pretty well-written and generally contains only the facts, having it around will attract more rumours and such than not having it (since making a page takes a lot more effort then editing one), and since the game isn't expected to have anything worth Nintendo telling us about until 2013 or something, the page'll just sit here attracting dust and garbage. Toomai Glittershine Le Grand Fromage 20:09, 5 October 2011 (EDT)
 * How about protecting it so only Autoconfirmed users can edit it? Blin dCol ours FALCON... 20:17, 5 October 2011 (EDT)
 * If we do just allow this page, I think we should have full protection, and have a note on the article telling people to bring suggested changes to the talk page for verification. Plus we should move the title to Super Smash Bros. 4. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:34, 5 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Nintendo Power and MarioWiki call it this, so I'll just make a redirect. Blin dCol ours FALCON... 21:43, 5 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Smash Bros. 4 is a more accurate title. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:53, 5 October 2011 (EDT)

You forgot the thing about the custom character. -- Roy boy  X   Talk  08:16, 6 October 2011 (EDT)



Add this to the rumours section. As well as the customisation thing. Toast Ultimatum   Complaints Box  09:19, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Can you provide a source for the customisation thing? Also remember to link to images on talk page, rather than placing the image directly on the talk page. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 10:34, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Can we also get verifiable sources for this whole article? Claims should be thoroughly cited. Miles ( talk)   19:52, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Information about Sakurai possibly including a Capcom character can be found here, while information about the release date and development can be found here. ReiDemon 21:02, 6 October 2011 (EDT)

Link
Here's a link to the whole Universe rumor can it be added to the page http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/rumor/27912 Blin dCol ours ...PUNCH!!! 14:31, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
 * That is unlikely to be true, as Sakurai's signature on that document is not his regular signature with a Kirby face. Mr.  Anon MatchupUnknown.png talk   15:05, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Did you read the first post? Quote: Here's a link to the whole Universe rumor . Of course it's fake, I'm asking if we can add the link seeing as it provides more info on the rumor. Blin dCol <font color="#00FF00">ours ...PUNCH!!! 15:18, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

Not to get all speculatory on things, but if Square is indeed involved in Smash 4, who other than a certain character from an SNES game (which is very unlikely) is likely to appear? Some FF person? -- Roy boy  X   Talk  15:25, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

"Current Information" paragraph/section
I can't edit this article, so I'd like to make a prose-like section for the "Current Information" section.

"As development on Super Smash Bros. 4 has not officially started yet, little information is presently available on the game.

Presently, only information about the development date has been officially confirmed: Sakurai has said that development will potentially begin in October, or at the very least, after he has finished development for the game Kid Icarus: Uprising.

Sakurai has stated, in response to a fan asking him about whether a "child Link" would appear in the game, that he has not currently decided on who would appear in the game. Sakurai, however, has also said that he "can't say that it's entirely out of the realm of possibility that some Capcom character could appear in the next Smash Bros." Capcom's Yoshinori Ono also has stated he has an interest in creating a Nintendo vs. Capcom game, in a vein similar to the Marvel vs. Capcom series. "

Incidentally, is it possible to semi-protect this page instead of giving it full protection? It seems kinda extreme at this point... ReiDemon 15:41, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Registered users are just as likely as IP to add speculation to this article. Once development begins and actual information is released, I think we can downgrade the protection. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:50, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

Customisation and Level-Ups
Here's a link, extract all the information you can. Toast Ultimatum   Complaints Box  07:14, 9 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Also, this needs adding.

Toast Ultimatum   Complaints Box  07:16, 9 October 2011 (EDT)

Here's the important parts of the article;

"Sakurai wants players with the 3DS version of Smash Bros to build up their character through battle and rewards. Then they could take their custom character over to the Wii U version to face off against everyone."

He also said that he's "aiming for the 3DS version to offer players a slightly different experience from conventional Smash Bros. games."

Sakurai said they "wouldn't be a mere extension of Super Smash Bros. Melee and Super Smash Bros. Brawl." He "did not feel that it would be right to just increase the volume, adding 50 characters or doubling the stages for instance."

"Wii U is an HD system and this version could offer 60 frames per second visuals, high quality graphics, dynamic effects, and smooth character movements."

He believes that "there is merit in having skilled and unskilled players play together, so one emphasis will be on elements of players helping one-another."

Copied directly from http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk with a few speech marks added, so if it looks untidy, sorry.

And also, should be placed at the bottom of the page. Toast Ultimatum   Complaints Box  10:57, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

Um
"Sakurai has confirmed that development will potentially begin in October 2010 " Can that be fixed, please? <font face="Algerian"><font color="#FFA500">Blin <font color="#00FFFF">dCol <font color="#00FF00">ours ...PUNCH!!! 14:21, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

I can help. Marioisawesome118Bye Bye zaer (talk) 17:53, 11 November 2011 (EST)
 * That was nearly a month ago.
 * It's already been fixed.
 * It's protected so you can't edit it.
 * So no, you can't help. <font face="Showcard Gothic"><font color="#FF0000">Blin <font color="#5f5f5f">dCol <font color="#00FFFF">ours Boing.png  18:02, 11 November 2011 (EST)
 * Perhaps ask what they can help, before assuming they are replying to you and responding rudely? Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:23, 12 November 2011 (EST)
 * Perhaps ask what they can help, before assuming they are replying to you and responding rudely? Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:23, 12 November 2011 (EST)

But I can get rid of it. Marioisawesome118''Bye Bye'zaer (talk) 07:42, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * But you can't. Only admins can edit this page. Meaning only Omega Tyrant, Toomai, Miles, PenguinofDeath or Emmett can 'get rid of it'. But they wouldn't need to, as it has already been 'gotten rid of'. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 07:48, 13 November 2011 (EST)

But I still see October, that has to begone. Marioisawesome118 zaer (talk) 15:42, 15 November 2011 (EST)
 * No, it does not. <font face="Showcard Gothic"><font color="#FF0000">Blin <font color="#5f5f5f">dCol <font color="#00FFFF">ours Boing.png  16:10, 15 November 2011 (EST)
 * Just because it's past October doesn't make it false that he said production may begin in October. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Eggster 17:21, 15 November 2011 (EST)

Hey
Shouldn't we add links to Nintendo 3DS and Wii U, since Toast made pages for them? <font face="Showcard Gothic"><font color="#FF0000">Blin <font color="#5f5f5f">dCol <font color="#00FFFF">ours   10:26, 13 November 2011 (EST)

A parody
A recent episode of The Simpsons had Homer, Bart and Lisa go to "E4" and see a lot of parodies of upcoming games. Including "Ultra Smash Sisters Quad" which change Ultra to Super, make the opposite of Sister and Quad to it's numerical translation,4. Just a reference, I suppose.Drakon64 (talk) 20:57, 27 November 2011 (EST)
 * I suppose that could be worth a trivia mention. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:54, 27 November 2011 (EST)

Capcom

 * Sakurai is really stupid. Capcom characters shouldn't even BE in the next game. This blows. - Drilly Dilly (talk) 20:31, 18 January 2012 (EST)
 * This kind of discussion does not belong in a talk page. See TALK. Mr.  <font color="midnightblue">Anon MatchupUnknown.png talk   20:38, 18 January 2012 (EST)
 * There quite clearly is going to be, but I'm not really getting my hopes up for it being Megaman...if you know what I mean. 81.141.68.50 02:55, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
 * Yeah, about that, this was back when I was only 11 years old, during which I was an idiot and WAY less mature than as of today. - Drilly Dilly (talk) 04:41, 27 September 2015 (EDT)


 * I always thought De blob and The Avengers were going to be in the series.

Game is now under development
[http://www.cubed3.com/news/16506? Source] Magiciandude (talk) 13:09, 21 February 2012 (EST)
 * Though there is no information no characters, no game modes, so we should still keep the article protected cause we can only remove the protection once "development begins and actual information is revealed." Mario  is   awesome  118  Marioisawesome118.png 18:53, 22 February 2012 (EST)

Contacting Sakurai
Is there any way to contact Sakurai to submit character ideas, like it was made for Brawl ? I want to ask him for Victini (Pokémon Series), Tails (Sonic Series), Shadow (Sonic Series), Princess Daisy (Mario Series) and the Mii ! --Wolfy76700 (talk) 13:04, 27 February 2012 (EST)
 * If Sakurai wanted to listen to people's ideas, he would have given out a form of contact for that purpose. Neither appears to be true, and chances are it would be in Japanese only anyway.
 * In addition, this is not appropriate use of this talkpage. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Eggster 13:19, 27 February 2012 (EST)

If the Mii was in the game, it would kinda suck. But zekrom is a pokemon they can put in the game.

April 2012 news update
Here's an update from the article on IGN on an e-mail interview with Sakurai. Magiciandude (talk) 00:12, 26 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Meh, doesn't particularly tell us anything we didn't know before. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 09:13, 26 April 2012 (EDT)

Since it's protected...
Could an admin please add Category:Super Smash Bros. 4? RickTommy (talk) 23:10, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
 * And Category:Games Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 04:56, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

June 2012 update
I'm not sure if this would be a good addition to the article, but Sakurai has stated, "We’ve just taken what you could call the first step of the process. This is the first time I’ve ever had my next project announced before it’s even entered development, and because of that, I fear that players will be forced to wait even longer than they expect to. Please be patient." Here's the link. <font color="#FF0000">Unknown <font color="#780000">the  <font color="#000000">Hedgehog  02:46, 18 June 2012 (EDT)
 * As a progress update it seems legit to add. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Golden 22:53, 18 June 2012 (EDT)
 * As it turns out, this is old news, it's just found itself cycling through the internet again. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 02:37, 19 June 2012 (EDT)
 * Major news! Namco Bandai will be helping out with the game! Source. Not only should it be mention (obviously), but I think Namco Bandai should get its own article as well. Magiciandude (talk) 00:05, 22 June 2012 (EDT)

Infobox
I think, by this point, we have enough information to put the game infobox on this page, so if we were to put it in, the data is below:

Toast  ltimatum  16:19, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
 * I'll put it in with some tweaks: remove media and input and replace HAL with Sora (since that's what we know now, right?). Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bomb 16:25, 23 June 2012 (EDT)

Either of these worth noting?
1 2 Miles ( talk)   16:16, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
 * Put the former in the List of rumors. The latter is just a picture, so I'm not sure, although it supports that there may not be new characters.--<font face="Arial"> Shu pa  Roeh  TypicalGuy.png 16:47, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
 * But it isn't a rumor, it's come straight from Sakurai's mouth. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 09:31, 3 July 2012 (EDT)

The news story seems like a rehash; I'm almost certain I've seen some of those quotes before. The image seems okay to have (I'm personally going to try and figure out what the cut-off word at the bottom is). Toomai Glittershine The Keymaster 17:16, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

The picture is from the development team. Sakurai did say he was going to focus on the old characters first. Magiciandude (talk) 14:29, 3 July 2012 (EDT)

Old characters
Hey, I found something interesting. In a Kid Icarus Uprising interview, Sakuri-san says that he plans on bringing old characters into the new game. Here's the exact wording-

Adam Riley: You have mentioned how you like to breathe new life into forgotten franchises. Now that Kid Icarus has been completed, what other old classic would you like to look at? Ice Climbers, Star Tropics, MoleMania…or something non-Nintendo?

Sakurai-san: I am planning on doing my best to bring old characters back in Smash Bros. From that perspective, I am probably in the most fortunate position in the world.

Here's the article- http://www.cubed3.com/news/16920

Zelda101  16:08, 7 July 2012 (EDT)

About the "less new characters" thing
Sakurai never stated that they wouldn't have many new characters, he just said that there won't be many more characters than in Brawl. This could also mean that some veterans will be removed to make room for the new characters. I think that the article should be more clear about that. Dr_Robotnik (talk) 5:00, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 * The only thing is we don't exactly know what sakurai meant. I think they should just leave the page as it is until more info is given. Chuck  Norris  24.png  18:27, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 * I think it should be changed to something more neutral since we don't know for sure, something like "Sakurai has stated that the game might not feature a larger number of characters than Brawl."Dr_Robotnik (talk) 5:00, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

That's a good idea except neither of us can edit this page. Chuck Norris    09:55, 11 July 2012 (EDT)

I thought the game with the most characters was Melee.

Master Hand
There is a giant hand in the whiteboard drawing. This is Master Hand. I think an administrator should list it under the list of things that appear in the drawing. Also, I thought the reference to this game in The Simpsons was going to be mentioned under trivia? Chuck Norris    18:32, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 * Looking at it again it might just be DK's hand. But the Simpsons thing should be mentioned I think. Chuck  Norris  24.png  18:41, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 * I dont see any reference to the simpsons. <font face="Arial"> Shu pa  Roeh  TypicalGuy.png 19:16, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 * I don't think the Simpsons have any relevance to SSB4. Dots You can call me Pollyanna NintenNESsprite.png 19:21, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 * Scroll up to the 'A Parody' section. Yes, this should be mentioned. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 19:30, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 * So that means that they made there own name of Super Smash Bros. 4 right. Maybe that could be for trivia. Dots You can call me Pollyanna NintenNESsprite.png 22:36, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 * Master Hand is where the Pikmin, Fox, and Marth is at. As for the Simpsons thing, the only place it would go to would probably be an article for Super Smash Bros. in popular culture. Magiciandude (talk) 01:31, 18 July 2012 (EDT)

Project Sora Dissolved
This might be worth mentioning in the article. Project Sora was dissolved on June 30, and their website has been updated stating this. Here's a link to a news post at Nintendo Everything. . <font color="#FF0000">Unknown <font color="#780000">the  <font color="#000000">Hedgehog  03:26, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
 * Exactly how notable would it be in two years time that a company was not involved in the producion of the game? Not very. The details are already on Sora, that will suffice. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 07:23, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
 * Ok, I just wasn't completely sure. Because on the Sora page it said that Project Sora should be expected to make Smash Bros. 4, so I was just making sure whether or not this would be relevant here. <font color="#FF0000">Unknown <font color="#780000">the  <font color="#000000">Hedgehog  14:20, 11 July 2012 (EDT)

Rumors section outdated
That rumor was disproven by two things, both as soon as it started --Deuxhero (talk) 17:16, 21 July 2012 (EDT)
 * 1) Sakurai's signature is a blatant forgery
 * 2) Sakurai confirmed work on Smash hadn't started shortly after this.
 * We know that it was fake, we just show it because it was popular. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 18:54, 21 July 2012 (EDT)

Need staff
I found something interesting in this article http://andriasang.com/comw97/iwata_asks_smash_bros/

Scroll towards the end, it says this- In a closing message in the Iwata Asks column, Sakurai threatened (or possibly joked) that if they can't find appropriate staff, he'll either switch to development on just one platform, or will use a small staff and take five years to make the project. Think we should add it? &#123;&#123;subst:User:Zelda101/sig&#125;&#125; (talk) 16:13, 26 July 2012 (EDT)

5 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! O MAY GAWD!!!!!!!!

August 2012 updated
 Anything worth mentioning in the article? Magiciandude (talk) 20:59, 7 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Ehhhh...nothing really stands out to me as must-have info. I'm sure someone will see something they think is needed though. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Zesty 21:14, 7 August 2012 (EDT)

I think I found something worth noting in the article-

1. Sakuri mentoins something about no 3D- The game system itself is complete, so we don’t want to make it 3D or introduce complicated controls just for the sake of it, I'm not sure if he was referring to the 3DS or the WiiU though

2. Something about some Tekken characters(?)

3. A release date sometime in 2012

&#123;&#123;subst:User:Zelda101/sig&#125;&#125; (talk) 16:43, 27 August 2012 (EDT)
 * A release date in 2012? Don't give me chortles. As for 3D, I expect Sakurai is referring to the 3DS' stereoscopic effect, and that he merely doesn't want to do anything right now, and it will be added at a later stage. Toast  Wii U Logo Transparent.png ltimatum Transparent Swadloon.png 03:14, 28 August 2012 (EDT)

that thing in the picture
there is something placed between mario & DK (under the heart container) in the. can someone tell me what it is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.181.221 (talk • contribs) 11:34, 10 August 2012
 * It's a Mr Saturn. RickTommy (talk) 09:02, 10 August 2012 (EDT)
 * I see now, thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.62.12.229 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 2012 August 10

Protected Page
Why is this a protected page??? <font color="Blue">The <font color="Blue">Awesome   16:00, 7 September 2012 (EDT)
 * To prevent users from adding speculation. Mr.  <font color="midnightblue">Anon Anon.png talk   16:23, 7 September 2012 (EDT)
 * To elaborate, in the game's current stage of development, the page is going to be too prone to users adding speculation, as well as misinterpreting things Sakurai says or add irrelevant things he may state in an interview. Plus there's the fact there is really no real information on the game yet outside some predevelopment details. Once we get to game elements and trailers being revealed, I would probably support unprotecting this for users. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:36, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

More characters!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm just saying but, I hope they put something like Team Fortress 2 or a secret message about the next game or maybe something like breaking the fourth wall. That would be cool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandvich9 (talk • contribs) 5:59, 11 September 2012 (EDT)
 * You need to use talk pages more effeciently (if that's how you spell it). Also, TF2 SUCKS. <font style='font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(111.5,100%,50%)'>Bandit 07:26, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

Wat
If this game is going to be called Super Smash Bros. Universe, shouldn't there be more characters? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandvich9 (talk • contribs) 6:48, 11 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Talk pages. You're doing it wrong. Also, there's no evidence it's going to be called Super Smash Bros. Universe. <font style='font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(111.5,100%,50%)'>Bandit 07:26, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

Why are you so pissed Bandit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandvich9 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 2012 September 12


 * He's not pissed, he's pointing out a guideline. Completely and utterly different.


 * Also, sign your posts with ~.


 * --- <font face="American Typewriter">ReiDemon, Author Extraordinaire, 18:04, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

Idea
17:51, 12 September 2012 (EDT)Sandvich9 (talk)I have a feeling that animated Pac-Man, Mappy, Gil, and that guy from Dig-Dug 2 are going to be in the game because Bandai Namco is helping to produce the game.
 * Talk pages are not a place to post you opinions. Also, your signature goes after your post. Dots The Bomb NintenNESsprite.png 18:07, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

Weird
On the whiteboard image it looks like Donkey Kong is falling in love with a Heart container. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandvich9 (talk • contribs) 07:53, 2012 September 13