Talk:Knee Smash

"Inherent masculinity"?! This is supposed to be an encyclopedia entry? Unless Captain Falcon's knee is really a penis, why is this even in the article?--Toddcam 21:11, August 15, 2007 (EDT)

I understand that Captain Falcon is a very popular character, and his knee was his most most famed aspect, but why do we need an article for one character's forward aerial? How come no other character has an entire article for their forward air, just specials?

I don't believe this article is needed. 9:00, March 12, 2009 (EDT)
 * Perhaps it needs a redirect and a section on CF's page. However, it was in both Melee and Brawl. - Gargomon251 (talk) 17:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed. My page about Ness's side smash was deleted so this one should be too. It's not a special attack. 98.117.158.220 18:52, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Deletion
Before we delete it, does ANYONE have an opinion? 98.117.158.220 19:13, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * It might not be a Special Move, but it's definitely notable - it's one of the things that makes Captain Falcon so good in Melee, and its nerf is one of the things that makes him so bad in Brawl. Another fact to take into consideration is that the move has gained considerable notoriety in the Smash community. The information is also presented well this way, and it'd be difficult to describe the move in this much detail in the Captain Falcon (SSBM) or Captain Falcon (SSBB) articles. I say keep it.  Penguin  of  Death   20:53, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * So is Ness's side smash, but that article was deleted. In fact, his side smash can actually reflect projectiles, and that is one of his signiture moves also.
 * PS: PoD, it seems that we've gotten off on the wrong foot. I don't want to get in another argument with you. 98.117.158.220 21:25, November 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * No, don't keep it. Smashes and aerial attacks, such as G&W's B-air's been named the "turtle" by some. It's annoying, because of its high priority and slicing-turtle sound effect, etc, yet we don't have an article on it. Why? Because it isn't so much of an internet meme as "the knee". Internet memes go in the trivia section; they don't deserve an entire page dedicated to them. This is a rather large case of a meme, only because a large amount of it isn't actually needed. We have unneeded detail on Ganon's f-air, a reminder of priority in midair, as well as a reminder of what a short-time sweetspot is. That leaves us with a paragraph that can be explained in a trivia section. In conclusion, delete it. By the way, outside of my deletion argument, why does it say that the Knee is used at the end of his combos, whereas the next two paragraphs say that you can combo into other attacks from the Knee? Makes no sense.....  R A  N 1 21:36, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Who are you saying no to? 98.117.158.220 22:48, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I meant it to PoD, but when I tried to save it, I got an edit conflict and ended up placing it after your comment. I forgot to leave a note there when I copied it over there, so I've left one now. Pardon me; I didn't want to cause any trouble.  R A  N 1 22:58, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * You know, I'm still confused... Why are you saying "no" to me? And why did you say it in bold? :/
 * Also, it's not just that it's a meme. The reason why we have a page on every Special Move isn't because of some innate characteristic that they and no other types of moves possess - it's because there's enough to say about them to merit a page. Read the Knee Smash article again, and tell me that it's lacking in information, then ask for it to be deleted. I think it's a good page with lots of useful information on it, so I think it should stay.  Penguin  of  Death   23:15, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Keep. Explicitly named in a trophy description earns notability for me. I'd even make Lightning Kick an article for the same reason. Miles ( talk)  23:13, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, given Miles' point above, I think I'll change my opinion on this, but I'll have to think about this harder later. Too much homework. On a more ironic less serious note: PoD, why did you bold "keep"? And why would I say no to that if I was opposing it? :s  R A  N 1 23:26, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not really sarcasm, as such... Anyways, I said "keep" (as did Miles) because that's how you do things like this. You say "keep" or "delete" at some point in the comment. It's so that people can quickly see where you stand on the matter. Support and Oppose section make discussion difficult, which is why we use this system instead. Also, I don't get that last sentence of yours - please explain.  Penguin  of  Death   23:47, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, since you did not get the point there: I was using irony in that last sentence, PoD, because I was thinking you would infer from "why did you bold 'keep'?" that I was being sarcastic. From there, I then said "And why would I say no to that if I was opposing it?", which was based on the fact that I revised my last comment to say "No (to PoD)"; as in "do not keep it". As for the "Oppose" comment: I don't believe that was necessary. It was already discussed on the IRC, and did not need more explanation as to why this system is used. Anyways, I've changed the comment to read more clearly now. Sorry for the confusion.  R A  N 1 01:13, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Isn't Ness's bat also mentioned in a trophy? 98.117.158.220 23:42, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, even if it is, it's really nothing big to write about when compared to K.S.'s memetic and insane power properties. Also, how big would the article be in the first place? A sentence or two and a picture of the trophy of where it's mentioned would seem like a stub that won't grow anytime soon. Havoc  Reaper48  >:D!!!  19:55, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * We could write more than that. I actually had an article on this that was fairly long but it got deleted. We have two solutions: Delete this article, or keep it and add other notable attacks like Ness's side smash. I'm now more for number two. The reason why I made the article for Ness's side smash is because I saw this article. 98.117.158.220 01:08, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ness's side smash has no official name from Nintendo. Knee Smash does.  Miles ( talk)   03:21, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * I just used that as an example. There's other attacks that deserve attention. 98.117.158.220 05:53, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait! I just found another solution. We can delete this page, and have one big page called "Notable moves" or something which lists all these attacks. Does anyone agree? 98.117.158.220 02:07, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh...doesn't seem like it's gonna be that good...or a bit too long. If we had 5 attacks summarized like this one's in one page, the page would be about the size of an average SSBB char. page alone. 10 would be huge...but if you could find some official names (Apparently unoffical lingo ain't good in this case...) for moves, they could become their own pages with enough effort. I'd gladly help with that, Anon. And P.S., DO NAWT QUESTION TEH KNEE OF MANLYNESS, PLZ? KTHX. Havoc Reaper48  >:D!!!  02:28, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Should we take out the deletion tag?98.117.158.220 02:35, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

"Skull Crusher"
Never heard of it... Anyone care to defend it or should it be undone? Miles ( talk)  22:23, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll do the honors:


 * 1) Scroll down to Linkzrath's first comment- "...try a short-hop backwards out of range, then use a Skull Crusher in mid-air right to the kisser!"
 * 2) Term is used here as one of the early names for the team crew for "Ultra Violence Crew", as they abused Ganon's f-air
 * 3) It's used here
 * 4) And here
 * Is this enough? I google'd it myself to verify it before adding the term to the article to not make debate...   --Havoc  Reaper '48  00:39, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Five years late, but I agree with this notion. Is it really necessary to have the Skull Crusher section on the page? This page is about the Knee Smash, and even though Ganon is a clone/semi-clone of Falcon, Skull Crusher is pretty much a completely different move from anything Falcon has. I understand the importance of the move and it is a fairly notable name among the community, but I feel it shouldn't be on this page. John (talk) 14:45, 20 July 2015 (EDT)
 * Absolutely. It has nothing to do with the Knee. – Smiddle 06:11, 8 August 2015 (EDT)

"Knee" nicknames
How are they noteworthy? Miles ( talk)  03:09, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
 * The Knee of Justice is one of, if not, the most commonly used names for Falcon's fair, that I have seen used pretty much everywhere. In fact, I would say the name is more commonly used (thus more known by) than the article's name "Knee Smash". Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:21, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
 * For some proof this is perhaps the most well known name in the Smash community, here's what a quick search turned up:


 * A guide to the "Knee of Justice"
 * Another guide to the "Knee of Justice"
 * A thread about a video guide to the "Knee of Justice"
 * A Facebook page for the "Knee of Justice"
 * An urban dictionary page for the "Knee of Justice"
 * A quick search using the term on dArt, where you can see many deviations of it titled the "Knee of Justice"
 * A redirect on this Wiki created back in 08 that uses this term.


 * Surely the Knee of Justice is a notable enough term to merit a mere mention in the article. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:24, 13 September 2011 (EDT)


 * Also, similarly, I'll just coin a term for only this page. The 'heel smash' as I like to call it, is known as the 'heel of shame' in one video I watched on YouTube. Does that give you any ideas for alternate nicknames? ElliottB1 (talk) 12:47, 17 June 2015 (EDT)
 * this discussion is almost four years old... it doesn't really need continued. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 12:50, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

Frame Data
For Melee, the article doesn't specify how many frames the sweetspotted KNEE has. Brawl's has ONE sweetspot frame. Does the exact data exist? 69.105.239.111 19:05, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Yes, and if you find it, add it in. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:55, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
 * According to this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUApjC5d5xU, it's hitbox frames 14-19 (out of hitbox frames 14-30).

Move to "Knee of Justice"?
If the Knee Smash is better known as the Knee of Justice, should we rename the article to "Knee of Justice", or just leave that name as a redirect? b2jammer (talk) 12:57, 16 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Official name takes precedence considering it too is widely known. Miles ( talk)   13:10, 16 May 2015 (EDT)

Should...
the Skull Crusher have its own page or should it stay the way it is: gone entirely? Ganonmew (talk) 16:50, 9 September 2015 (EDT)
 * Unofficial name of little notability means no page, I'd say. Miles ( talk)   17:05, 9 September 2015 (EDT)
 * Makes sense. Thanks. Ganonmew (talk) 20:22, 9 September 2015 (EDT)

Semi-spike?
The move has a very low horizontal trajectory; is it low enough to qualify as a semi-spike? (Not all semi-spikes have to have a downwards component.) Just wondering as this would add to its notability. Zowayix (talk) 14:33, 5 December 2015 (EST)
 * Maybe. You don't see such lethal semi-spikes every day. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk)  16:53, 5 December 2015 (EST)
 * Barely ,but no, it isn't. Angle is 32, whick is just above the semi-spike angle. 98.157.202.185 15:07, 6 January 2016 (EST)