User talk:Miles of SmashWiki/Archive18

Can a down aerial or other move be a natural combo?
I know a natural combo consists of one mult-hitting move, but can an aerial be a natural combo? ThePikaPlayer (talk) 16:23, 29 October 2015 (EDT)User:ThePikaPlayer 4:18, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
 * By definition, no. Miles ( talk)   17:01, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Thanks a lot. ThePikaPlayer (talk) 17:23, 29 October 2015 (EDT)User:ThePikaPlayer 5:23, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Item ordering
Here's an idea. I thought about you could make an ordering of items that appeared in the Super Smash Bros. series. Like you did in your other ordering articles, you could sort them by order of appearances in the games and by series. Juju1995 (talk) 20:25, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
 * It's not nearly as important, frankly. Items are much less central to Smash gameplay and we don't have many situations where we'd need to list off most or all of them the way we do with characters. Miles ( talk)   20:33, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
 * I'm just giving you an idea. Juju1995 (talk) 20:50, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Company involvement
Did HAL Laboratory, the creator of the Kirby and Super Smash Bros. series, had any involvement in SSB4? Juju1995 (talk) 21:00, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Not in terms of development, so far as I can tell. Only providing rights for Kirby content and such. Miles ( talk)   21:05, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Correction: HAL provided "development cooperation". Take that as you will. Miles ( talk)   21:07, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Easiest Characters
Which characters are you good at in Super Smash Bros. 64? Don't forget to add links. Juju1995 (talk) 21:14, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
 * I've played SSB64 like twice. I hardly have a character I could say I'm good at. Also, you're kind of spamming my talk page a bit with questions. I'd appreciate if you could try to dial it back a bit. Miles ( talk)   21:27, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Okay, but could you give me at least some of them? Juju1995 (talk) 22:14, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
 * I have no character of preference in that game. Leave it at that. Miles ( talk)   22:27, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

I'd ask him but...
You're here now and I am curious. I was browsing through our old archives (specifically RFB) and noticed a lack of Toomai. Did he never actually RfB? Serpent ∞ King ( talk ) 02:48, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Correct. When we moved from Wikia to being hosted by Porple, our last active bureaucrat was Shadowcrest, aka User:Emmett. Emmett basically declared that he no longer had the time for the job, and summarily promoted Toomai (then an admin) by his own choice alone. Miles ( talk)   03:59, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Oh ok. I wondered XD thanks. Serpent ∞ King ( talk ) 04:05, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * In truth, I've considered submitting a RfB of my own, since my last one was 6 years ago. It's hard to know whether it's a good idea, though... It's weird to think about how long ago that was. It seems like only two of the users who were around to support my RfA 7 years ago are still remotely active around here. I've tried to be a good leader, but I worry that my record isn't exactly quite what people would want these days. That's on top of the ambiguity about whether we really need another bureaucrat at all while Toomai is around. Miles ( talk)   04:17, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Well...let me put it this way: I am not sure I could support an RfB from you (I'd probably end up in neutral) but I would never suggest or vote in support of you being demoted or anything. Though I will say that I have agreed with many more of your decisions since the argument. I do think you have made considerable progress on the feedback I left you months ago. Serpent ∞ King  ( talk ) 04:23, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

I may have a solution for Shin Shoryuken / Shinku Hadoken
Smasher:Naex/Xean does not display as a subpage. I am not sure why, but figuring that out may solve our problem. Serpent ∞ King ( talk ) 21:14, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * ...I think I know why. Give me a sec. AidanzapunkSig1.png Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior AidanzapunkSig2.png 21:16, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * I knew it.


 * See, on the Smasher page, there's no redirect for "Smasher:Naex", so therefore there's no subpage. Whereas for SS/SH, there's a redirect from Shin Shoryuken, making it so that the wiki thinks there's a subpage (when it's really just a redirect). AidanzapunkSig1.png Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior AidanzapunkSig2.png 21:18, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * There has to be some solution. Serpent ∞ King ( talk ) 21:19, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * (edit conflict) But we NEED a redirect for Shin Soryuken. So that doesn't help.
 * Could we use display title and name it something else? Like maybe Shin Shoryuken & Shinku Hadoken? Or use a backslash? --- Preceding unsigned comment added by  BOO ! Or maybe  Nutta.   21:20, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * "At least one person seems to dislike how the slash in the page's title results in fooling the wiki into thinking it's a subpage. Is this enough of a problem to warrant naming the page differently, perhaps with a less common slash character (like ⧸ or ⁄)? Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Yoshi 17:16, 14 June 2015 (EDT)"
 * Why not this? AidanzapunkSig1.png Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior AidanzapunkSig2.png 21:23, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

The page is fine as it is, in my book. It's an inconsequential problem. Miles ( talk)  21:52, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * I disagree. Maybe it's because I'm OCD, but having the page as it is now bothers me. Serpent ∞ King ( talk ) 21:54, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * I mean yeah it's inconsequential, but I also don't see why we shouldn't fix it. It's likely an easy fix. --- Preceding unsigned comment added by  BOO ! Or maybe  Nutta.   21:56, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * If we leave the normal / as a redirect, ⁄ should convey the same point. ---  Preceding unsigned comment added by  BOO ! Or maybe  Nutta.   21:58, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Other than é, which is kind of unavoidable sometimes, we should always be avoiding titles that aren't ASCII. Miles ( talk)   22:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Well, sometimes it's unavoidable to use a different type of slash, lest we have the strange and unprofessional glitchy subpage.
 * Alternatively, do any of our CSS-ier people know how you could hide that? --- Preceding unsigned comment added by  BOO ! Or maybe  Nutta.   22:10, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Technically é is extended ascii (#233) Serpent ∞ King ( talk ) 22:11, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Clarification: other than é, we should always be using titles that can be easily typed on a standard English-language keyboard. Miles ( talk)   22:48, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Isn't that one of the reasons redirects exist? --- Preceding unsigned comment added by  BOO ! Or maybe  Nutta.   23:03, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * It's still preferable to not rely on redirects to reach most titles. Miles ( talk)   23:04, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * I'd say it's also preferable to look professional and not have weird glitches on our pages. --- Preceding unsigned comment added by  BOO ! Or maybe  Nutta.   23:05, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * We have other pages like this too. If it bothers you this much, find some other workaround that doesn't involve using questionable characters in page titles. Miles ( talk)   23:14, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 * 'Kay, start/pause button route it is then. --- Preceding unsigned comment added by  BOO ! Or maybe  Nutta.   23:28, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

Hey Miles, I got Move.
I got it uploaded for you. Disaster Flare  (talk)  15:53, 31 October 2015 (EDT)

Simple Question about Character Credits at Tournaments
Hey, sorry if you aren't the right guy to ask this to, but can you explain exactly the rules on this wiki about character icons next to a smasher's name in a specific tournament? For example... if ESAM goes Pikachu for an entire tournament, then goes Samus for one game in GF, and loses that game, then switches back to Pikachu, I understand that in the page for that tournament he would only be counted for Pikachu. But let's say for example, he lost a game with samus, then decided to stay samus for another game, and still lost. How strict are these rules exactly? I bring this up because at Smash the Record Smash 64 singles, Sheer Madness played Yoshi the entire tournament. When he got to grand finals against Wizzrobe, he lost game one with Pikachu, lost game two with Ness, then lost his last game with Pikachu. How should I credit him on the StR page? Yoshi only? Yoshi + Pikachu? Or Yoshi, Pikachu, Ness? I currently have it as Yoshi and Pikachu because he played more than one game with him, but please feel free to correct me. Sorry if this is so long, thanks!  Kite (talk) 19:03, 31 October 2015 (EDT)
 * It's a good question. The general policy that seems to be in place is to list any characters that contributed to a set the player won. So in the case you mention, Sheer Madness would be credited as Yoshi only. Miles ( talk)   19:07, 31 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the response! Makes a lot of sense, is there any official/written rule somewhere on the wiki that goes over this? It really made me feel like I had to guess. KiteSignature.png  Kite (talk) 19:13, 31 October 2015 (EDT)
 * It's not codified anywhere to my knowledge; it's just something I've seen Jamal enforcing for consistency that seemed very reasonable to me. I might draft a tourney page guideline at some point to avoid future confusion. Miles ( talk)   19:15, 31 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Here's what I think. NOTABLE needs revised...a lot...anyway. Why not just mention this there?  Serpent ∞ King   ( talk ) 01:55, 1 November 2015 (EST)
 * Debatable; SW:NOTABLE is about whether a page is notable enough to exist, not about formatting. I was thinking something more along the lines of "here's a guideline page showing how to build a tournament page and format results properly". Miles ( talk)   02:00, 1 November 2015 (EST)
 * Fair enough.  Serpent ∞ King   ( talk ) 02:02, 1 November 2015 (EST)

So I've been thinking
about reapplying for adminship. Thoughts? Too soon? I ask because I really value your opinion in this. Serpent ∞ King  ( talk ) 02:01, 1 November 2015 (EST)
 * I'm not going to tell you what to do. Instead, let me pose you a question: what's different now from last time? Without a clear and convincing answer of what's different (and in your favor), I wouldn't expect most users, including myself, to think differently of it. Miles ( talk)   02:04, 1 November 2015 (EST)
 * Well I feel like I have participated in more disputes and have gained experience in handling them since then. I am also much more active in vandal hunting (and I'm a rollbacker now...I see where not having that the first time was a mistake). Anyway, thanks for the help there. I think I will hold off for now.  Serpent ∞ King   ( talk ) 02:10, 1 November 2015 (EST)

Could you please
Protect User talk:PSIWolf? People keep editing it and you know he's just going to come back and rage. Serpent   King   08:31, 1 November 2015 (EST)
 * Yeah... As semi protection won't cut it, as PSI is a rollbacker. (Even with Semi protection, PSI's gonna use personal attacks against respected users.) [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]]  INoMed (Talk •  Contribs) 08:35, 1 November 2015 (EST)

Thanks.
You did the right thing to PSIWolf's talk page. My gratitude for doing that goes to you. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone  12:10, 1 November 2015 (EST)

Level of respect
Do you treat users of all types with the same respect or do you treat with different (ie higher-ranked users like admins/bureaucrats with more respect than newer users)? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  15:09, 1 November 2015 (EST)
 * I assume good faith unless given reason to believe otherwise. Miles ( talk)   15:12, 1 November 2015 (EST)
 * I beg your pardon, but I think this is what you were supposed to show me. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  18:25, 4 November 2015 (EST)
 * They're both kinda the same deal. Assume good faith is more of "don't assume someone's a vandal cuz they messed up", while You are valuable is more of "just cuz you messed up doesn't mean you suck". ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey ! Or maybe DatNuttyKid.  21:54, 4 November 2015 (EST)

A stroke of misfortune.
I had a hard drive failure this afternoon in which I lost ...well... all the images and source stuff I was saving for SW (debug menu stages stand out the most...). I was wondering if I should be worried about restoring that locally, or if it's relatively safe to leave on SW. Serpent   King   23:13, 1 November 2015 (EST)
 * Sorry to hear that. I don't think those images are going anywhere anytime soon, so there's not much need to worry about that. Miles ( talk)   00:12, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * Shame your hard drive failed. I'm currently decking out an SSD in my iPad! [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]]  INoMed (Talk •  Contribs) 02:27, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * Also, until I get a suitable replacement, I am currently unable to grab screenshots from the smash games. This PC is simply not powerful enough to emulate. Serpent  SKSig.png  King   16:05, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * Well, whatever contributions you are able to make will still be appreciated, even that particular project has to be put on hold for a while. Miles ( talk)   16:10, 2 November 2015 (EST)

Alph
Whatever happened to 1RV? You and Omega reverted each other's edits 5 times total. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  01:30, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * That was two months ago Drilly, if I remember correctly, people have already called them out on it. Correct me if I'm wrong though. Disaster Flare   (talk)  01:32, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * As I said the last time you asked, read the talk page. Miles ( talk)   01:34, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * I kinda did, but all I'm asking you is isn't that a violation? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  01:42, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * 1RV is sometimes of questionable value in cases of blatant fact/falsehood. Both of us were focusing on what we thought were the facts, and we were seeing it from two different perspectives. Regardless, the case is resolved. Miles ( talk)   01:55, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * Understood. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  01:58, 2 November 2015 (EST)

Question
My edits keep getting reverted or changed back to mostly the same thing for no apparent reason. This happened most recently on the page and the  page. I previously asked for a compromise when it came to the page, and you responded by making the neutral tone guide. I have followed this guide and my edits continue to get reverted. In my edits, I have also tried to cut back on extraneous information, awkward wording, redundancy, and run-on sentences. I feel that my changes have been making the wiki pages more encyclopedic than they were before my revisions. I stress the fact that I do not care about having "my version" of the page displayed, just one that is more encyclopedic. I have tried to settle these problems either by posting on talk pages or saying I'd be happy to explain the reasoning behind my edits. However, none of these efforts seem to be working. What will be done about this situation?  John   PK SMAAAASH!!  17:02, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * Take it to a relevant talk page. While my impression is that yes, your edits are improving the pages, reaching talk page consensus to that effect is a way to demonstrate agreement of multiple users and make it seem like less of a "my version versus their version" kind of thing. Miles ( talk)   17:26, 2 November 2015 (EST)

Signature Help!
I want my signature to be two different colors, one for each part, but I can't figure out how! Can you help? Pika, Poyo poyo poyo (talk) 14:29, 3 November 2015 (EST)
 * Put this: What it should say The second font you want to be colored. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey ! Or maybe DatNuttyKid.  14:32, 3 November 2015 (EST)
 * You might also want to tick the box that says: "Treat signature as wikitext (Without automatic userpage linking)". [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]]  INoMed (Talk •  Contribs) 14:33, 3 November 2015 (EST)
 * That too. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey ! Or maybe DatNuttyKid.  14:45, 3 November 2015 (EST)
 * If you have further questions, consult SIGN. Miles ( talk)   15:01, 3 November 2015 (EST)
 * Thanks, but I have another question. How to get a signature image in my signature? Pika,   Wild Turkey appeared!    Jedi Archives  17:10, 3 November 2015 (EST)
 * This and this should help clarify things. Miles ( talk)   17:14, 3 November 2015 (EST)
 * Once more, you've helped me out. Thanks a ton! [[File:PikachuMS.png]] Pika,   Wild Turkey appeared!   Talkz  17:28, 3 November 2015 (EST)
 * An aside: your current image is too tall as-is; try using PikachuMS.png instead. Miles ( talk)   17:47, 3 November 2015 (EST)

Question Concerning Power Ranking Placements
Hey, it's me, Kite, again. Sorry to bother you with so many questions but I honestly don't know who else to ask, my dilemma is on the Florida Power Rankings, in Fall 2015 (Central Florida) Rula moved here, and as an already ranked player, he automatically was sent to position 8, how should I assign his "movement"? I think a good idea would for his previous rank to be a dash, and for his movement to be a blank up arrow, but I have no idea how I would do that. What do you think?  Kite (talk) 19:15, 3 November 2015 (EST)
 * The dash for previous rank is fine; movement can be either a dash or up arrow with a dash. Both convey the idea of "went from unranked up to ranked". Miles ( talk)   19:54, 3 November 2015 (EST)
 * But the only way to make an arrow appear for movement is to add a number in previous rank, is there any way to get an arrow there while keeping the dash i want in "previous rank"? KiteSignature.png  Kite (talk) 20:14, 3 November 2015 (EST)
 * Ahh, didn't realize how that template was coded. Best to just use dashes for both, then. Miles ( talk)   21:15, 3 November 2015 (EST)

Maybe to sway your vote on DF's RFA
I think the recent cleanups are enough to warrant a more supportive vote. More than 1000 edits now, prerelease images cleaned up, and deprecated code removed from Smasher pages almost singlehandedly. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone  15:45, 4 November 2015 (EST)
 * Definitely noteworthy accomplishments, but also not enough to convince me DF is ready for the job. Miles ( talk)   16:04, 4 November 2015 (EST)
 * I appreciate you trying to help me Ganonmew, but if anyone's going to prove to Miles that I'm capable, I want it to be me. Not being selfish by any means. I just feel that the only person who can prove they're admin-capable is themselves. Disaster Flare   (talk)  16:07, 4 November 2015 (EST)
 * I agree that it's pretty nice accomplishments but not anything that proves him as an admin (no offense DF). I mean, he does that just as fine as a normal user.
 * Also, I'd hardly consider it singlehandedly.
 * And DF's right too. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey ! Or maybe DatNuttyKid.  16:08, 4 November 2015 (EST)
 * Yah. But just consideration. I was pretty sure it wasn't gonna sway your vote Miles (even if it was the intention), just something for you to see. And yes, he did more than 700 of them. All I did was finish the last, what 150, and got other people like Dots to do minor help. Also, yeah, I'm just trying to help ya, DF. Ganonmew,  The Thankful Evil Clone  16:32, 4 November 2015 (EST)

Yo dawg
Wood u lik two make a page about Plants vs.Zombies ideas 4 smash n even tho dat might never be possible u can still dew it lik ur other ideas 4 smash page. Add sig here (hypno shroom)
 * 1. Please sign your comments with four tildas ( ~ ).
 * 2. If you really want these userpages that badly, you can create your own account and make your own. Just also contribute to the more encyclopedic portions of this wiki, too.
 * Nyargleblargle.png Nyargle blargle (Talk | Contribs) 13:43, 6 November 2015 (EST)
 * ...*tildes ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey ! Or maybe DatNuttyKid.  14:25, 6 November 2015 (EST)

Question if you may
So I've been going through the incomplete section, seeing what all I could possibly add to articles, and something keeps catching my eye when going through it: SSB4 music articles. I've looked through them many times, but I don't know of any music still missing, so what is even still needed on the articles? I'd like to know so that way I can see if I can help add to it or not. Disaster Flare  (talk)  20:47, 6 November 2015 (EST)
 * The songs should all have their headers and infoboxes. What's missing are tracks' origin information, and in some cases of remixes made for Smash, arranger credits. Miles ( talk)   21:15, 6 November 2015 (EST)
 * I see. Alright. I'll do some digging, see if I can help. Disaster Flare   (talk)  21:16, 6 November 2015 (EST)
 * I can do the Wii U sections, if you'll tackle the 3DS ones. AidanzapunkSig1.png Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior AidanzapunkSig2.png 09:35, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * Sure, I will need a visual aid so that way I know just how it needs to be done, though honestly it'll have to wait until tomorrow or Monday, because unfortunately I have plans today... XD Disaster Flare   (talk)  11:25, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * My grandparents are in town until Wednesday morning, so... XD AidanzapunkSig1.png Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior AidanzapunkSig2.png 11:47, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * Alright compromise. Go ahead and start with the Wii U stuff now, I'll go back later tonight for the 3DS ones if someone hadn't already tackled it, because as usual I'll be free late at night. Disaster Flare   (talk)  11:55, 7 November 2015 (EST)

Seems weird to ask but...
can you please go through the speedy deletion stuff? Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone  08:59, 7 November 2015 (EST)

About TONE
I understand that articles must be as encyclopedic as possible, and I know you won't be updating the examples table. But could you please give more examples of words to be avoided? It becomes very difficult to list clearly obvious facts without "terrible" or "ineffective", especially when their opposites, "great" and "effective", are still okay. Drill Blaster Mark 2 ( talk ) 14:51, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * I'm not sure I understand what you mean. What kind of "fact" requires the usage of those words, in your view? Because there's nothing I can imagine that requires word choice like that. Miles ( talk)   15:10, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * Mobility, stage control conversions, current tournament represantation, that kind of stuff. I know I can use "below average" or maybe "lackluster" in many cases, but then articles will be either repetitive, partly accurate or too similar. Drill Blaster Mark 2  ( talk ) 15:14, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * "Poor" and "below average" are useful terms. I mean, look at a quote here from Palutena (SSB4):
 * With customs off, Palutena is very unpopular due to her bad grounded game, poor frame data, and ineffective special moveset. As such, she has little to no tournament representation, along with being one of the most, if not the most, unpopular character in low and mid-level play. Most smashers now use her as a secondary or counterpick, and typically fail to achieve notable tournament success with her.
 * Saying that Palutena has "poor frame data"? That's the kind of factual statement that can be cited (Kurogane Hammer or comparable). Saying that she has "little to no tournament representation"? A little tougher, but yes, there are few examples of high-level Palutena tournament play (and one can check major tournaments' results tables for confirmation). However, describing her moveset or ground game as "bad" or "ineffective" is overly general and subjective. It would be better to state, perhaps, that her non-custom special moveset is considered inferior for competitive play compared to her options with customs. Does that clarify things at all? Miles ( talk)   15:26, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * Definitely. THAT is much more straightforward. Kinda ironic how I didn't notice that, I've worked on that article a lot... Oh and, I would really appreciate some feedback, so check 's page when it's up. Drill Blaster Mark 2  ( talk ) 15:37, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * Since you requested specific feedback on Dedede's page: the two sentences under Attributes need to be completely rewritten or removed outright; the changes from Brawl section is also in need of some improvement. Miles ( talk)   16:02, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * I'll see what I can do. Thank you very much for the help. Drill Blaster Mark 2  ( talk ) 16:17, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * Just realized I left out a critical word there: the last two sentences under Attributes. Just wanted to clarify. Miles ( talk)   16:25, 7 November 2015 (EST)

IronMaidMaryan
You could also block this account for sockpuppeting to get revenge on this wiki. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  18:13, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * IronMaidMaryan was hacked, not the hacker... blocking them wouldn't help at all. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey ! Or maybe DatNuttyKid.  18:15, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * No, 15DollarsWentSouth was hacked. IronMaidMaryan was who they originally were until some idiot hacked their account. Besides, the hacker was blocked once for removing content from pages. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  18:16, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * This "Tekkenfan" account wasn't an IP match for any other account. Should any further negative behavior come from the IMM account, I will block that as well. Otherwise, this is fine for the time being. Miles ( talk)   18:19, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * How can you tell? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  18:20, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * This. Miles ( talk)   18:22, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * You do believe me when I said what I said, right? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  18:24, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * What are you referring to? Miles ( talk)   18:25, 7 November 2015 (EST)

(reset) That Tekkenfan101 is none other than IMM trying to get revenge (even though his account is unblocked at the moment). - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  18:27, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * At the moment there's no way to prove that outright. As I said, if any further issues come from IMM's account, I'll block it as well. As it stands, there's no reason to. Miles ( talk)   18:28, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * The Big Serious Demon Who Administrates - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  18:29, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * ...are you okay? You're kind of going all non sequitur on me here. Miles ( talk)   18:32, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * Don't you recall that at all? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  18:35, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * I remember it fine. I don't understand why you're bringing it up. Miles ( talk)   18:42, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * Getting back to Tekkenfan101, did you notice his behavior was the same as IMM's (um, hello?)? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  23:39, 7 November 2015 (EST)
 * As I said previously: I have no way of proving they're the same. It could very well be a copycat vandal. Miles ( talk)   02:54, 8 November 2015 (EST)
 * I doubt it. No other user can memorize this guy's behavior and imitate it. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  21:10, 8 November 2015 (EST)

...Can it hurt to look into it further, Miles? Maybe just simply run their IPs through this and see if they correlate? Serpent   King   21:44, 8 November 2015 (EST)
 * Sorry to pester, but I am concerned for 15DollarsWentSouth. Serpent  SKSig.png  King   22:23, 8 November 2015 (EST)
 * We all are concerned, we have to do something Miles. I could forgive them if they were targeting others, but the fact that they're only targeting one person is absolutely unforgivable in my eyes. Disaster Flare   (talk)  22:26, 8 November 2015 (EST)
 * Agreed. Something has to be done before things get ugly. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  22:34, 8 November 2015 (EST)
 * I completely understand the desire to do more, but at the moment there's not much to do. Toom already did a range block on a similar IP range, and they managed to bypass it. I don't know that there's anything else practical for us to do than what's been done. Miles ( talk)   23:33, 8 November 2015 (EST)

List of challenges (SSB4-Wii U)
You reverted my edit that changed the layout of List of challenges (SSB4-Wii U), saying “don't do this without a talk page discussion please”. This change has been proposed at Talk:List of challenges (SSB4-Wii U), and there were no comments in almost a month. —Fenhl 01:36, 8 November 2015 (EST)
 * In a situation like that, you should bump the discussion. Miles ( talk)   02:16, 8 November 2015 (EST)

Category:victory poses
Should I make a category like this for all of the Victory poses? There are about 150 Smash4 images that would count, and are uncategorized for now. Also, all the brawl images are only in the fair use category. That would be 200 images, 80-90 if someone put the Smash4 images together like those from Brawl. Can I make the category? Dek Zek  12:16, 9 November 2015 (EST)
 * Sounds like a useful idea to me. I don't think our images are very well categorized generally, but that can certainly be improved upon. Miles ( talk)   14:02, 9 November 2015 (EST)

Hi!
See here please. Thanks! Serpent   King   18:37, 9 November 2015 (EST)

Because I am much too lazy to go through and tag 78 different images...
All the images here were replaced and need deleted. Thanks! Serpent   King   03:33, 10 November 2015 (EST)
 * Cool. Thanks. Serpent  SKSig.png  King   04:44, 10 November 2015 (EST)

Then or now
I'll be honest with you, it's debatable whether you were better now or when you went under as Miles.oppenheimer. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  04:28, 10 November 2015 (EST)
 * I haven't the slightest idea what you're trying to accomplish with this comment. If you have specific, constructive feedback, there's a place for that. If you're just idly musing over things that happened years ago and years before you joined the site, I'm not particularly interested in such a discussion. Miles ( talk)   04:34, 10 November 2015 (EST)
 * I'm not bringing up anything. I'm just telling the truth. Also, you just gave me an idea. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  02:27, 11 November 2015 (EST)

New gadget proposal
Where do I go to propose a new gadget? I have a CSS script (that could potentially be transformed into a gadget) that adds small icons next to Rollbackers, bots, admins, bcrats, and devs to the recent changes.  INoMed (Talk •  Contribs) 13:33, 10 November 2015 (EST)
 * I actually came up with this idea because of wikipedia. Wikipedia has a gadget proposal system. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]]  INoMed (Talk •  Contribs) 13:35, 10 November 2015 (EST)
 * Just an FYI, I don't need it to become a gadget. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="Times New Roman"> INoMed (Talk •  Contribs) 13:36, 10 November 2015 (EST)
 * Seems pretty unnecessary to me. Anything above a rollbacker already gets color-coding. Miles ( talk)   13:40, 10 November 2015 (EST)
 * I know that already, but some users might want the icons for appearance. (Not all gadgets have to add features, you know!) [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="Times New Roman"> INoMed (Talk •  Contribs) 13:46, 10 November 2015 (EST)
 * Not trying to defend the script in any way. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="Times New Roman"> INoMed (Talk •  Contribs) 13:50, 10 November 2015 (EST)
 * Ob, and I now scrap the idea. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="Times New Roman"> INoMed (Talk •  Contribs) 13:57, 10 November 2015 (EST)

Question about coded list links
Hey, so I'm building the Las Vegas Power Rankings page, there is a smasher there named Edge, there is also another smasher that exists in Japan by the same name, how can I get Vegas' Edge to show up in red and not have the Japanese Edge that already has an article appear? Is this possible? Thanks!  Kite (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * You may want to link to Edge (USA) or something Serpent  SKSig.png  King   04:07, 11 November 2015 (EST)

15DollarsWentSouth
I think you should semi-protect his pages for excessive vandalism like you did John's. Ganonmew,  The Thankful Evil Clone  07:00, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Hoo boy.
Dots and I jinxed it. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone  08:51, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * Frankly, the more you worry about it, the more likely it's going to happen. That being said, I say we just see what happens. It could go well, it could go horribly wrong. (In any case, Miles, should such a situation occur, I'm personally willing to step in on your side.) AidanzapunkSig1.png Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior AidanzapunkSig2.png 08:59, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Something less formal this time
Do YOU have a quote that is either funny or meaningful? I'm asking because I checked your userspace and found none. Drill Blaster Mark 2  (talk)  14:46, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * Why are you asking me this question? You haven't provided any context. Miles ( talk)   14:48, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * Many users here have at least one. Some of them also keep track of them. It's just a question though, there's no need to be upset about it. Drill Blaster Mark 2   (talk)  14:51, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * Are you asking for a quote of something I said personally? If so, I don't have anything in particular to offer. Miles ( talk)   15:05, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * Okay then. WAIT. I'm pretty sure I used terrible wording before... I should have been more specific, sorry. Drill Blaster Mark 2   (talk)  15:09, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Tbh
Honestly, I always thought you were superior to Toomai SmashWiki-wise, but I guess I was wrong. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  21:43, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * Drilly, please don't get on Miles' bad side. Just because he's made mistakes doesn't mean he deserves criticism. Disaster Flare   (talk)  21:44, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * How am I criticizing him? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  21:44, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * While you aren't criticizing him outright, there's the fact that you're outright telling him he's a bad admin. I'm sure he's heard it enough times by numerous people by now, and I'm sure he gets tired of it. Disaster Flare   (talk)  21:46, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * I never said he's a terrible admin (no administrator is bad, obviously). I'm saying that I always thought he was higher-ranked than Toomai, but I was wrong because bureaucratship is superior to adminship. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  21:49, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * Ah, okay, then please try to be more careful with how you phrase things, because the way you put that initially almost sounded spiteful. Disaster Flare   (talk)  21:50, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * Another thing I've noticed: it seems Omega Tyrant doesn't seem to appreciate Miles for what he's doing around here and is discouraging him based on what I said (look at his oppose on his request for bureaucratship). - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  21:56, 11 November 2015 (EST)

"no administrator is bad, obviously"

That is a dangerous mindset to have, we tout "admins are not kings" for a reason. While their position implies authority and greater wisdom, admins are not infallible, and need to be held accountable. Whether it's me, Miles, or whoever, don't assume just because we're admins that makes us righteous. Omega  Tyrant   23:30, 11 November 2015 (EST)
 * I understand. I'm just wondering if you have anything against him, since the opposition comment you posted on his request for bureaucratship sounded pretty harsh. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  00:02, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * Question to Miles: do you and Omega have some kind of grudge to one another? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  02:18, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * I'm not planning on discussing this subject. Miles ( talk)   02:20, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * You have to admit, his opposition comment for your bureaucratship was pretty harsh. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  02:21, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * OT is entitled to his opinion. I'd prefer if you kept the dramatic elements out of this. Miles ( talk)   02:22, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * I clearly understand what you told me, Omega. I can agree Miles makes some mistakes (everybody makes mistakes, right?) and that nobody is perfect, but saying he doesn't deserve adminship along with the "What the hell?" phrase was pretty mean, even for a user of the same rank like you. No offense, Omega, but I don't see any reason Miles shouldn't become a bureaucrat. To Miles: I wish you good luck on achieving Toomai's rank. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  02:26, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Hello
Is it okay for me to upload Cloud's artwork from FFVII? Smugsamodas (talk) 18:07, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * Looks like it's already been done. Although a higher-quality version of that wouldn't hurt, if uploaded over it. Miles ( talk)   18:08, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Let me ask
Where did you get the picture of Cloud for his fighter page? Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior  18:16, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * Here, seems to be all the official site has to say for now. Miles ( talk)   18:17, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Is it possible...
...to move this in order to make it visible here without creating a new page in the process? I'd have tried moving it myself, but I was afraid I'd mess up somehow. Drill Blaster Mark 2  (talk)  09:19, 13 November 2015 (EST)

Quick question
How long should the character descriptions on the main character pages be? Because I was working on Cloud's, but there seems to be a bit...much.

Due to complications regarding my computer, I am unable to put a finalized version of the description on SmashWiki; however, I have it as a Word document on my computer, and perhaps I can email it to you so you can read it over and edit it to condense it (and possibly implement it into Cloud's page)? Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior  18:05, 13 November 2015 (EST)
 * Never mind, someone beat me to it. AidanzapunkSig1.png Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior AidanzapunkSig2.png 19:35, 13 November 2015 (EST)

Would you mind...
...throwing this page out as well? Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior  22:19, 13 November 2015 (EST)

Change of Weapons
That's only the Mii Fighters, right?  Aardvarkian  (Talk • Contributions) 16:25, 14 November 2015 (EST)
 * I wasn't even talking about those, since Mii costumes are kind of separate from standard characters' costumes. I was talking about needing the modifier of the Fusion Swords being more than a color swap for the trivia to be true, since otherwise other characters qualify as having differently colored weapons in their costumes. Miles ( talk)   16:32, 14 November 2015 (EST)
 * Ok, but I don't think we need "in more than color" because "changes his weapons" doesn't mean it changes the weapon's color, but that it changes the weapon.  Aardvarkian  (Talk • Contributions) 17:11, 14 November 2015 (EST)
 * Maybe it's a little redundant, but it prevents any weird technicalities like "if you count a Yoshi's egg as its weapon then red costume Yoshi has red eggs and those are different", and other things along those lines. Better to be very slightly redundant than to leave the trivia point worded in a way that borders on the ambiguous. Miles ( talk)   17:20, 14 November 2015 (EST)
 * Yeah but those are super trivial technicalities. I get what you're saying though.  Aardvarkian  (Talk • Contributions) 17:22, 14 November 2015 (EST)

Trophy rips
I got all of them, right? Not missing any? I have Mewtwo as well, but that was already a direct rip, correct? Serpent   King   21:06, 14 November 2015 (EST)
 * Looks like that's all of them for now. Miles ( talk)   21:41, 14 November 2015 (EST)

What I do
Do you criticize my actions throughout this wiki? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  03:37, 15 November 2015 (EST)
 * I don't understand what you mean by this question. Are you looking for me to provide feedback in a specific area? Miles ( talk)   03:46, 15 November 2015 (EST)
 * Kind of. I'm only asking because other people (you probably already know one of them) have recently been criticizing my edits. What I asking you is if you think my actions (edits) across deserve to be criticized, and do you criticize them yourself? I just hope you understand that I'm here to improve the site and not turn it into total garbage, despite what others may think. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  03:51, 15 November 2015 (EST)
 * Are you referring to the incident regarding the Roy page? The consensus of the users who commented on the page edits were in support of John's version over your own, from what I could see. I generally agreed. This isn't "hating on your edits" (how you worded it before changing it), but rather a disagreement where the consensus supported another version. That's not intended as a personal slight, and should not be taken as such. It's an important skill to recognize that in some instances, you will be in the minority and should cede a point. Miles ( talk)   04:04, 15 November 2015 (EST)
 * No, no, no, I'm asking why do people tend to pick John's revisions over mine, and do you criticize my edits? Also, what were you saying on the Infobox Character General template? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  04:09, 15 November 2015 (EST)
 * I generally thought John's version was more encyclopedic than yours, and his request that I voice my thoughts on the subject was why I took my draft of TONE and pushed to get it established as a guideline. Whether you take that as criticism is up to you. As for the character infobox, I figured not only are there no instances in Smash where we need to distinguish between gender and sex, but using "gender" is the more common choice for such things (examples: bulbapedia:Template:CharInfobox, zeldawiki:Template:Character). Miles ( talk)   04:19, 15 November 2015 (EST)
 * When I'm asking if you criticize my edits, I meant in general, not just for the page. -  Drilly   the   Hedgehog  04:27, 15 November 2015 (EST)
 * I haven't been closely following your edits personally, so I don't have any other specific criticisms to offer off the top of my head. Miles ( talk)   04:37, 15 November 2015 (EST)

(reset) Last question (I hope): do you hate me? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  22:59, 15 November 2015 (EST)

Sorry man.
Dang, the RFB was doing so well.... Sorry. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone  10:44, 16 November 2015 (EST)
 * In fairness, while I may not particularly side with his arguments against Miles, OT did bring up some good points. However, this could lead to something good; Miles could (and, most likely, will) take what people have said about him, and fix things that he still is criticized for. It seems he has improved in some areas, but still needs to work on others. AidanzapunkSig1.png Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior AidanzapunkSig2.png 11:01, 16 November 2015 (EST)
 * Wish it could've been successful. :'( PikachuMS.png Pika,   Wild Turkey Appeared!  11:07, 16 November 2015 (EST)
 * Was gonna support, but then thanks to Omega... - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  12:29, 16 November 2015 (EST)
 * What's most important is to not give up. You may have failed now, but you still remain a great admin. There will always be a second chance. Improve as much as you can until then, because if there's anyone that's going to be a bureaucrat soon, it's you. Drill Blaster Mark 2   (talk)  04:58, 17 November 2015 (EST)

Something I want to point out
According to a friend of mine, the Smash UK site accidentally leaked the date of Cloud's release, being December 3rd (which, in turn, might end up being the date of the Smash Presentation). Unfortunately, this information has since been removed, so I can't prove anything as of now. That said, what would one do with this information? Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior  16:46, 16 November 2015 (EST)
 * It was faked; someone took the source from the webpage and made their own modified duplicate of it with a "release date", which they then passed off as a "leak". Look up some more information about it and you'll find people making their own website "leaks" with stuff like Shrek. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:52, 16 November 2015 (EST)

Rollbacks and undos
How come you sometimes undo edits, but other times you rollback edits? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  01:53, 19 November 2015 (EST)
 * The general rule is to only use rollback if an edit is obviously in bad faith. If you want/need to leave an edit summary or there's any room for discussion, you should undo manually. ROLL explains this. Miles ( talk)   02:06, 19 November 2015 (EST)
 * Yeah. Use your rollback rights against vandals, but nothing else. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="'Lobster', cursive"> INoMed (Talk •  Contribs) 02:29, 19 November 2015 (EST)

So you remember how I was going to animate the victory poses for SSB?
Well as far as I can tell, debug menu or no, it's impossible to get a results screen with only one character in it. Also I'd have to rely on the RNG because there is no way for me to set which pose will be selected. Debug menu sadly does not cover the result screen (it's supposed to, there's an option for it, but it doesn't work). Serpent   King   00:11, 20 November 2015 (EST)
 * It's honestly okay if there's a character in the back clapping. If anything it's beneficial since it looks more like normal gameplay. I'd say the same would apply for Brawl, too. Mario clapping in back does no harm. Miles ( talk)   00:15, 20 November 2015 (EST)

User:SolidGardy
Miles, I accidentally put the welcome message on this person's userpage. Would you do the honors of deleting it? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  01:10, 21 November 2015 (EST)

Future request for bureaucracy
When do you think you're reapplying? - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  01:16, 21 November 2015 (EST)
 * I have no plans to do so in the short term, and don't care to speculate for the long term. Miles ( talk)   01:17, 21 November 2015 (EST)
 * Gee, I was just asking. - Drilly   the   Hedgehog  01:18, 21 November 2015 (EST)

Have you considered...
...talking to this user about Japanese names? Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior  09:17, 23 November 2015 (EST)

From admin to admin
Question: What do I do if I want to move a file without leaving redirect, but it's used on an archived talk page? Serpent   King   11:25, 23 November 2015 (EST)
 * Preventing a pointless redlink like that is an acceptable reason to edit an archived talk page, I'd say. Especially if the image itself isn't changing, since you're preserving the intent of the archived link. Miles ( talk)   12:04, 23 November 2015 (EST)
 * Ok thanks. Serpent  SKSig.png  King   12:06, 23 November 2015 (EST)

Thanks
for rollbacking my talk page. I actually didn't catch that. Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior  15:53, 23 November 2015 (EST)
 * No problem. A good idea if a vandal shows up like that is to open their contributions, which clearly labels which things need rollback for anything they've edited. Miles ( talk)   15:55, 23 November 2015 (EST)

So...
Can we get rid of those other 3 images too? Serpent   King   14:31, 25 November 2015 (EST)
 * Which 3? If you mean the rendered Brawl character art, I'd say yes. I was going to do it myself in a minute, but you're certainly free to do it while I combine these amiibo categories. Miles ( talk)   14:32, 25 November 2015 (EST)

Done!
At least according to the search bar, there should be no more instances of "Nintendo Family Computer". ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey ! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 15:18, 25 November 2015 (EST)
 * 👍 Miles ( talk)   15:20, 25 November 2015 (EST)

Block
Worked on it some yesterday, I just don't feel it's up to par with how it should be. Any advice on improving it? Smashedpotatoes (talk) 17:19, 25 November 2015 (EST)
 * My best suggestion would be to follow something like List of swords as a guide. Give a brief intro and description with an interwiki link, then explain how Smash uses it, and if there's enough uses to warrant it, include a gallery. Miles ( talk)   17:46, 25 November 2015 (EST)
 * Cool, thanks. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 17:53, 25 November 2015 (EST)
 * How does it look now? Kinda iffy on the SSE and Stage Builder parts. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 19:11, 25 November 2015 (EST)
 * Looks mostly okay. Maybe add a section on Donut Blocks (Rainbow Cruise, Super Mario Maker, etc.)? Miles ( talk)   19:27, 25 November 2015 (EST)
 * Ok did it, also added "Other Blocks," but that still don't feel totally right. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 19:48, 25 November 2015 (EST)
 * I think you did about all you could. It looks a lot improved to me. Miles ( talk)   20:16, 25 November 2015 (EST)
 * Ok cool. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 20:35, 25 November 2015 (EST)

Question.
So Drilly has been pestering asking me over the IRC to give him back talk privs. As you were the one who removed them in the first place, I am asking you first: should we? Serpent   King   20:16, 28 November 2015 (EST)
 * I don't see why. He had solidified the point that he was sockpuppeting, and was using his talk page privileges inappropriately. The only reason his talk page privileges weren't blocked in the initial blocking action was to give him a chance to explain himself; as it stands, he has forfeited that right. Miles ( talk)   20:37, 28 November 2015 (EST)

About references...
I'm still getting used to the wiki, but I have a question. When it comes to references (whether it be a photo, video, or website), would it be ok to add it to an article if it were... well for example: I uploaded a video on YouTube that I wanted to use as a reference (a highlight reel of a Smash battle on the Pirate Ship stage) and it involved one of the players glitching through the stage and getting KOed. Would it be alright if I used that video as a reference? I'm unsure if it's OK to do so if it were my own "information" from another source. It's a bit difficult to explain... Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y88w9Cy_K7U

I'm unsure how this glitch happened, but I could check it out at some point unless the glitch is fixed in a newer update.

Yin10Dou (talk) 23:39, 2 December 2015 (EST)Yin10Dou
 * It's acceptable to link it as a citation in such a circumstance, yes. Original research isn't necessarily as frowned upon in the context of SmashWiki as it would be on, say, Wikipedia. The context is different. Miles ( talk)   23:52, 2 December 2015 (EST)