Talk:Poké Floats

How the heck is this a stage suitable for competive play? I'll never get what runs through people's heads.

-Random Man

While I'm not an expert, I think the key here is that nothing is random. Each float appears at a predictable time in a predictable place. The movement also makes it much more difficult to do things like camp, but unlike other scrolling stages, you aren't always on the move. In addition, there are no (damaging) hazards. Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic  The Stats Guy  The Table Designer  12:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Why does this page say that it is banned in tournament play but it is listed as counter pick in "Tournament_legal_(SSBM)" and is not listed on the banned stage page, someone please fix this.

Refrence
There is an Unown movie (I forgot what it is called) and there are a few seances in it where unown fly every where. Refrence???? 209.30.147.242 13:33, March 20, 2010 (UTC) -chihuahuabeta

Origin
...is clearly the IRL parade balloons. Why the expletive would we take that down? There's no other thing that could have even inspired it. Miles ( talk)  02:12, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * While I can't honestly say that it's not speculation, I also think it should stay. The first reason is as Miles said, "There's no other thing that could have even inspired it" (considering that we can't agree if it was inspired by the anime OR the parade). Even I was speculative when I first saw the video, but I figured it was the closest thing that could've inspired the stage. Also, nothing like this has happened in the games, so that doesn't really give us much to look at when trying to figure out where it came from. Unknown the   Hedgehog  02:22, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * It is speculation, which does not belong on the Wiki in any way, shape, or form. I find it quite ridiculous to believe that the Macy parade influenced Poke Floats. You know, the idea of giant balloons was conjured before the Macy parade came into existence and it is not the only thing that has giant balloons. Can't you guys accept the fact that this stage is an original creation created for Melee? Not every damn thing in Smash Bros. has to be influenced from something else, much less some IRL parade. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 02:28, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Macy's Parade is quite famous, and it's unlikely that it escaped Nintendo's notice that it was a great publicity draw for Pokemon (which were already popular anyway). Why not base a stage off of it?  (Also, while not everything in Smash has a source, the vast majority do.)   Miles ( talk)   02:58, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd like to point out something guys. The Pikachu appearance was in 2006. Melee was released in 2001.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 03:01, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, Pikachu's balloon was first introduced to the parade in 2001. Unknown the   Hedgehog  03:03, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I got that wrong then. Though you do realize that Japan released the game 4 days before Thanksgiving. It is impossible for Nintendo to copy off that when it wasn't even shown. And I doubt that they have a special connection to Macy to know about it in advance.-- Mega  Tron1  XD  Decepticon.png 03:15, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, why would they base a stage off some IRL event that is not related to any Nintendo game? As said before, the ideas of giant balloons been around much longer than the Macy parade and there are other parades in the world that have giant balloons. But the real issue is that this is speculation. It can't be proven and therefore, it doesn't belong in the article. What we have for the origin section now is good enough. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 03:11, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

PS1 and/or PS2?
As I recall, Pokémon Stadium 1 was a Generation I game and therefore could not have Unown, Sudowoodo, or other Gen II Pokés in it. So are these models all from Pokémon Stadium 2, or are some from 1 and some from 2? Did they even make any model changes between the two games? Toomai Glittershine 02:36, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Memes as trivia
This is maybe a rather pedantic point to care about, but in general I had been operating on the principle that memes really are not worth noting unless they make a serious impact beyond the Smash community (e.g. stuff like Falcon Punch). "Legalize Pokefloats" doesn't really seem worth pointing out. EDIT: I previously discussed a similar issue here. Miles ( talk)  12:37, 8 November 2016 (EST)
 * I would say that the Killager thing is widespread enough to mention, this is a bit less so...but still worth it, imo.  Serpent SKSig.png  King  13:26, 8 November 2016 (EST)
 * Well, I'd at least like to get a few more users' perspectives on the subject. Miles ( talk)   15:41, 8 November 2016 (EST)
 * This is very borderline IMO, since it's well-established within the Smash community but somewhat obscure outside of it. Personally, I think we should remove. Nyargleblargle.png Nyargle blargle'''  (Contribs) 15:43, 8 November 2016 (EST)
 * I never even knew about this. I thought the only thing close to a meme for Poké Floats was the All-floats glitch. Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png 15:46, 8 November 2016 (EST)

Pages for the Poke Float Pokemon
Shouldn’t the 8 Pokémon that appear as stage elements on Poke Floats (Psyduck, Slowpoke, Porygon, Wooper, Sudowoodo, Seel, Lickitung, and Geodude) get their own pages on the wiki? Although they don’t appear from Pokeballs like the other 8 or a fighter like Squirtle, they are moving platforms that make up the stage itself, meaning they are not background characters. The King of Red Lions is a stage element as a platform and is affected by the Stage Hazard Switch, same goes for the Bulborb. Plus you’ll die if you stay on any of them for too long. They count as hazards because of that, not to mention the Hazard switch for the latter two. I can’t see a reason why the Pokémon on Poke Floats wouldn’t be able to receive to receive their own pages. 172.58.174.162 15:21, February 14, 2020 (EST)
 * Porygon does have a page already, but I do agree with you. Your points makes sense for why they'd get pages in first places as they are the stage itself. Sudowoodo only has a disambiguation page right now. 66.194.104.5 14:54, February 18, 2020 (EST)
 * Bumping this as I feel they should get pages under the reasons stated above. 66.194.104.5 13:58, March 3, 2020 (EST)
 * Don't create any pages until more than just two people agree on the matter. Multiple people have to agree with the decision. That aside, I support for the reasons that the original IP stated. If the other floats were to not get pages, then we would have to delete the King of Red Lions. It could be argued that these technically aren't the pokémon, but it's still meant to represent them, making them basically equal. Crazy456Rhino (talk) 09:45, March 6, 2020 (EST)
 * But Mii Costumes get their own pages despite not being the characters themselves and they don’t effect gameplay at all, and after looking into it, it already had a discussion that allowed them to keep their pages. Both King of Red Lions and Bulborb were able to get pages do to effecting gameplay as stage platforms and they also had a discussion on it which allowed them to keep their pages as well as Pauline and the guy on the Bridge of Eldin. And Sudowoodo was the only one from Poké Floats to already have an preexisting page. Are they not “actually” the characters themselves? Neither are Mii Fighters. Do they effect gameplay? They’re the stage itself. Under these circumstances, I don’t see much of an argument against the Poké Float Pokemon getting pages without restarting the discussions of the previously mentioned pages. 172.58.175.225 01:40, March 7, 2020 (EST)
 * I feel that this does make sense for the reasons stated by the original IP. Support &#32;Wolff (talk) 01:14, October 27, 2020 (EDT)

Bumping this topic. &#32;Wolff (talk) 18:19, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
 * Personally I don't see a reason. They're basically glorified platforms (hence "floats") and don't actually represent the Pokémon as a character. As for the King of Red Lions, as far as I know he literally is nothing but a boat for the most of the game, so it does accurately represent the character as it is. Cookies CnC Signature.png Creme  18:24, July 4, 2021 (EDT)

The "floats" part of the English name implies that they're not even really the Pokemon themselves anyway, so pages for them seems excessive. Miles ( talk)  18:33, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
 * Nope: They're only floats and not the actual Pokémon themselves. Hardly anything is gonna be on those pages. Toad.png  Omega Toad,  the Toad Warrior.  (I'm the best!)  18:56, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
 * Cookies, Miles, and Toad have already given reasons for why this idea is a no-go, so I'm just here to boost the Oppose vote. JacketTerraSig1.pngThe Jacketed   Terrapin JacketTerraSig2.png 19:02, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
 * We used to have a Sudowoodo page that was just a character as a float. The page has since turned into a disambiguation. Practically the same reasons as the others. Oppose for me. S3AHAWK   (talk) S3AHAWK_Signature_icon_1.png 20:01, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
 * Really? They are the stage itself, of which I would have assumed it would be enough. Didn't think they would need to animate aside from a moving static model for it to count for a page. &#32;Wolff (talk) 21:24, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
 * They're not like the Pokeball mons which are the actual Pokemon themselves which move around, attack, etc. These floats are just platforms which, aside from the origin section, will just be everything about them that's already on this page. Nothing but pointless redundant information. Toad.png  Omega Toad,  the Toad Warrior.  (I'm the best!)  21:29, July 4, 2021 (EDT)


 * No wait. Squirtle's mouth moves, Onix's section spin, Psyduck moves its mouth and legs, Slowpoke's tail uncurls, and Likitung's tongue retracts. Wouldn't that count? I know the other Pokemon that appaer only move placement, but the previous five have additional moment indicating they are more than just floats. Plus the Japanese name says Subspace which could mean anything. &#32;Wolff (talk) 21:29, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
 * I mean, given the Pokémon universe's technology, it's not impossible to think that the floats are just specially manufactured to animate in a way a real-life float can't (unless we've already reached the point where said technology is actually possible now, but that's beside the point). JacketTerraSig1.pngThe Jacketed   Terrapin JacketTerraSig2.png 21:36, July 4, 2021 (EDT)

Glitch
I personally think that there should be a whole article on the all floats glitch because we do have articles of the other glitches MeleeBoi (talk) 23:43, February 17, 2020 (EST)
 * Nah. The glitch is too minor to warrant its own page. We only have articles for major glitches like the Master Hand glitch. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]]  Omegα Toαd  64  05:51, February 18, 2020 (EST)