SmashWiki talk:Deletion policy

Redirect deletion template etiquette
It has come to my attention that there are basically two ways of marking redirects for deletion that have rather different properties. I'd like to discuss which one is better.

Method 1: Replace the redirect with the delete template.
 * + Displays the deletion template and reason as expected.
 * + Less confusing to delete, as arriving on the page does not cause a redirect.
 * - Breaks the redirect; users that happen to find it will get nothing but a "delete this" page.
 * - Considered an article, resulting in potentially misleading statistics and trips to Special:Random possibly resuling in a nonfunctional to-be-deleted redirect.

Method 2: Add the delete template after the redirect.
 * + Keeps the redirect intact and functional.
 * + Considered a redirect, so it cannot be found by Special:Random (that's what Special:RandomRedirect is for).
 * - Deletion template (and therefore reason) does not appear on the redirect page. The deletion category can still be seen but the obvious notice cannot.
 * - Requires more time to delete due to being redirected on entry.

Method 1 is a bit of an eyesore to everyone, while method 2 is almost invisible to the casual user while remaining easily accessible through the deletion category - yet it keeps to-be-deleted redirects alive longer, giving them more potential to be used in articles before their deletion. Personally I think transparency to casual users is more important than immediate disabling. Discuss. Toomai Glittershine The Producer 20:20, 22 August 2012 (EDT)
 * I assume you're talking about regular delete tags (aka ones that are actually up for discussion before deletion) here-- in this case, I would recommend using method 2 to keep the redirect intact while the discussion is open. If the redirect were so obviously useless it wouldn't have been tagged for non-speedy deletion in the first place. I don't see the other pros and cons as particularly relevant or important. – Emmett  23:53, 22 August 2012 (EDT)


 * Go with method 2. Method 1 won't decrease difficulty of deletion in any way, will not fuck up the random page function nor article count, and will keep the redirects functional (just like articles shouldn't be blanked when tagged, redirects should still be functional). The supposed cons for method 2 are also negligible; the extra time spent getting directly to the redirect is only a few seconds at most, and a capable admin would be astute enough to go to page edit to see the deletion reason, if it's not already obvious the redirect should be deleted (as is often the case for tagged redirects). Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 00:34, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
 * I've actually always done it a third way. I've always placed the deletion template before the redirect. That way, the deletion template is clearly visible, and where the page is supposed to redirect to is clearly visible, since it breaks the redirect but leaves the link intact. The problem with this is that it will still be considered an article and will mess up statistics and have trips from Special:Random, but I view these as negligible as it is a very minor article that won't influence statistics by much (the article count will be off by one) and Special:Random can easily be pressed a second time. This may not be the best way, but it's the way that has made sense to me, and in any case, I thought I would throw it out there.  Docto rP a i n 9 9  {ROLLBACKER} 03:02, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
 * I figured this was too similar to method 1 to be discussed separately. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Inconceivable 16:47, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
 * I prefer my way to Method 2, but I prefer Method 2 to Method 1. I may be the only one who feels this way, though.  Docto rP a i n 9 9  {ROLLBACKER} 00:00, 24 August 2012 (EDT)

Suggestion
Should we put how many votes make a consensus? (This would also apply to moving/merging/etc.) Personally I think 10 votes is fine if less than two people vote against (so ten opposes for deleting K.K. Slider versus two supports would mean the page would not be deleted), with fifteen if there are more than two. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 18:14, 17 December 2014 (EST)
 * Wikis do not work on votes. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomprehensible 19:03, 17 December 2014 (EST)
 * Then why do we have the whole thing where you put "support" and "oppose"? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 20:59, 17 December 2014 (EST)