Talk:Phantom Zelda

Toon Zelda
Phantom Zelda is a form of Toon Zelda. So should her trophies and spirits also appear on this page, if not just her Spirit Tracks incarnation? Or should this page be renamed to Toon Zelda as the Phantom form is not necessarily on the same level as Sheik and Tetra? There is more Smash info than can be added if so. &#32;Wolff (talk) 23:49, March 15, 2019 (EDT)

What is this page?
This page makes no sense for Smash Bros. "Phantom Zelda" herself isn't in Smash Bros., outside of a spirit, but that is only of Zelda. The Phantom that Zelda summons is just that, a regular Phantom. If Zelda actually appeared in the suit, then this page would be relevant, but she doesn't.

Phantom Slash already covers the actual move. Should this just be moved to Phantom, if that's even needed? Or should this page just be deleted? Alex95 (talk) 00:48, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * In the Zelda series, “Phantom Zelda” refers to when Zelda is actively possessing a phantom, not Zelda herself. In Spirit Tracks, Zelda is a literal spirit during the events. In Smash Bros., Zelda commands one, which I think still applies. That is still technically possessing one, just verbally instead of physically. Phantoms themselves are basically ghost armor enemies. I think this page make sense. Plus, it seems pretty obvious that Phantom Slash is based on Phantom Zelda. 172.58.175.176 01:45, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * "“Phantom Zelda” refers to when Zelda is actively possessing a phantom"
 * Yes, exactly. Zelda isn't possessing anything, she's summoning/building one up. Sure, the move is a reference to Spirit Tracks as it's the only time Zelda is seen interacting with the Phantoms in the main series, but the move is more based on the Phantoms themselves than Zelda's direct control over them. The Phantom doesn't have the eyes that signify it is being controlled; if anything, it's a Phantom Zelda creates rather than take over. Alex95 (talk) 11:03, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * But isn't Zelda still "controlling" one? "Possession: the state of having, owning, or controlling something." As 172.58.175.176 said, "still technically possessing one, just verbally instead of physically". I think that counts as well. One could argue the difference between if its specifically Zelda's spirit is the one controlling it or not, but going by the definition of "Possession", either way applies. Even if "it's a Phantom Zelda creates rather than take over", its still following what Zelda commands of it, isn't it? I think its the actions of Zelda rather than her state in the case of Smash. &#32;Wolff (talk) 19:24, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * The name "Phantom Zelda" specifically refers to Zelda taking over a Phantom, not just calling one up. A line on Phantom Slash's page (which already covers most of what this page does) even says this: "Also, despite being recolored to Zelda's more feminine theme, the eyes do not glow at all (a reference to how non-possessed Phantoms have no visible eyes)." It may be colored like Phantom Zelda's possession, but otherwise gives no indication the Phantom is actually possessed. And by "possessed" in this sense, it means taking over by jumping into their body, which, of course, Zelda does not do. Alex95 (talk) 19:29, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * The sentence you quoted actually isn't from any game. But even if we decide it isn't "Phantom Zelda", its still a Phantom nonetheless. Since Phantoms are enemies in the Zelda series, then this page should be change to simply "Phantom", and rewritten. Characters that are part of a fighters moveset have pages separate from the move(s) they are in. Such as Rush from Mega Man and Lloid from Animal Crossing. &#32;Wolff (talk) 21:58, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yes, that's what I'm saying. If we need to cover the Phantom, should just be the Phantom itself, not Phantom Zelda. Alex95 (talk) 12:09, April 28, 2019 (EDT)

(Reset indent) I have to agree with Alex. The whole point of the move is the Phantom itself; Phantom Zelda is Zelda's spirit taking over a Phantom in Spirit Tracks. In both Smash 4 and Ultimate, Zelda is using the Phantom to attack, not actually possessing it (though it would be a cool reference if she took over the Phantom during the charging stages, but I digress), therefore making it just a generic Phantom that she's utilizing to attack with. That said, if we are going to focus on the Phantom itself, then shouldn't we have a page covering exactly that? Aidan, the Rurouni  13:35, April 28, 2019 (EDT)
 * Then this page should be renamed to Phantom. Most of the info that needs to then change is the infobox. As for the origin, Phantom Zelda can just be briefly mentioned. &#32;Wolff (talk) 14:46, April 28, 2019 (EDT)
 * Since I couldn't "move" this page (Phantom Zelda), I redirected it to the correct page (Phantom). &#32;Wolff (talk) 17:08, April 28, 2019 (EDT)