SmashWiki:Requests for adminship

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This is the page for requesting adminship for SmashWiki.

Rules & Regulations

• Only self-nominations are allowed. If you think that another member would make a good sysop, then you can convince them to nominate themselves. You cannot make a nomination on behalf of another user.
• After sufficient time has passed to allow all users who wish to express an opinion the chance to do so, a decision will be made based on community consensus as to whether or not the request will succeed. Once a decision has been made, the discussion will be archived.
• Selections of sysops are not a simple vote count, or majority opinion. Users who wish to be promoted should demonstrate a steady commitment to this wiki, and be able to point to reasons that the sysop tools would allow them to do better editing.
• Candidates should describe why the wiki should want them to be sysops, not why they want to be sysops on the wiki.
• When supporting or opposing a candidate, give good reasons. Comments that describe in detail why the candidate should/should not become a sysop carry far more weight than simple support/oppose.
• Rollback status is not required for a successful RfA, but is highly encouraged. Users who only want sysop tools for quick reverts of vandalism will be directed towards the appropriate request.
• Upon request, a prospective sysop may be given a scenario and asked his/her opinion on how s/he would handle it.
• Users that have been blocked in the past, or who have previously made an RfA and failed, are no less eligible for adminship. However, such users should be able to demonstrate how they have improved since the block/previous RfA, lest their RfA find serious opposition.

Past nominations

• For a list of all previous requests for adminship that ended with the candidate's promotion, please see this category.
• For a list of all previous requests for adminship wherein the candidate was not promoted, please see this category.

How to nominate

If you have not had a request for adminship page before, follow this two-step process.

1. Go to the end of the requests section below, and add the following text:
   {{{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}/Username}} Where "Username" is the name of the user being nominated.
2. Click on the created red link, and add:
   {{subst:rfa|Username|reason for nomination}}

However, if you have had a previous request for adminship, follow this process instead.

1. Go to the end of the requests section below, and add the following text:
   {{{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}/Username (#)}}
   Where "Username" is the name of the user being nominated, and where # is 2 for the second RfA, 3 for the third, and so on.
2. Click on the created red link, and add:
   {{subst:rfa|Username|reason for nomination}}

Current requests

The following discussion is an archived debate of the nomination of a user for adminship. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

	This RfA was closed as failed.
	Reason:	It's close, but ultimately I have to say "not yet" to this proposal. Candidate is certainly on the right track in pretty much all ways, but based on the response from the userbase, is just not there yet. Toomai Glittershine The Golden 09:59, 21 November 2015 (EST)

Disaster Flare (talk • contribs • edit count • RFA page)

Candidate, please summarize why you are running for adminship below.

Well...where do I begin? I may have only been on SmashWiki for a year, but this isn't my first wiki. The first one I joined was Bulbapedia under the name Pokedex493 (I still have the account, but I'm not as active on there anymore) back in 2011, around the time when Pokemon Black and White information was starting to be revealed. I had learned a lot in those years I spent on there, and when I joined SmashWiki in 2014, I took those skills with me, and did my best to apply it when needed. Additionally, I tried out to be a Junior Administrator on Bulbapedia back in 2012, and I had qualified for all categories except one: edit count. After I submitted my application, I worked hard and eventually did reach the edit count they required, but it was too late and that was the sole reason I wasn't accepted.

While I haven't made extremely large contributions to SmashWiki, some notable things I've done were add the trophy descriptions to all SSB4 Assist Trophy, Poke Ball summons, and plain character pages that still needed them. Personality-wise, I can be a very nice person, trying my best to be nice to everyone, no matter how disrespectful they're being, and if an argument were to take place, then I'm always willing to listen to both sides of an argument before I make a decision, and if I can't decide, then that's when I'd ask otherss for their opinions and figure it out from there.

I'm aware the most recent of people who tried out were mainly doing it for stopping vandals, but that's not what adminship is about, we can still stop them just fine with the tools we already have as it is. We choose to want to become admins (or at least I did) because I have faith in this community and I want to better help solve disputes, I want to make sure everyone feels safe on the wiki and I want to make sure that disputes/arguments don't ruin anyone's time on here. All of you have always been extremely helpful toward me, been there for me when I needed it, and I'm even making friends here, and I want to better help this community continue to grow, I want people to be encouraged to come to SmashWiki and look to us for the information they're searching for. If there's anything else you were expecting from this, hopefully you will find what you're looking for from my contributions and my edit count, and if you have any questions, please let me know and I'll answer as soon as possible. Thanks everyone for reading and I wish everyone the best of luck in their future contributions to the wiki. Disaster Flare (talk) 00:32, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. Support. You are a good rollbacker from what I can tell, but why are you applying for adminship? Yes, I do think you will be a good (Not excellent) admin, that would be average with conflict resolution. INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 03:45, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Well, it's something I've wanted to try for a few years now. I wanted to try again on Bulbapedia, but they only let people try out when they have openings. I dunno, SmashWiki feels more open about it if you ask me, and I think I could learn a lot more in an admin position that I can't normally learn in my current state. Disaster Flare (talk) 03:53, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

2. Very strong support. All who are saying they've only known him for a short time, remember Bulbaboy? He's Bulbaboy. So I feel confident that you can be a good admin. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 05:45, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Yeah. I still remember the bulbaboy days of DF... INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 07:21, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Those were dark times...kidding, kidding. XD Really the way I see it, the name Bulbaboy was me as a child, and Disaster Flare is me growing up. Disaster Flare (talk) 12:59, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Switching to Very, VERY Strong Support. You're probably the best dispute handler on the wiki. Also, all of the admins at this point are dysfunctional right now: one is never active when we need them, one has a shaky reputation, one only really helps with vandals and janitorial work, and one makes 90KB worth of bickering all the time. You are the one we need. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 11:36, 11 November 2015 (EST)

   Sorry I haven't been able to respond to this (I've been trying to respond to all messages on here), this one's just difficult to reply to. I can't agree with your claims on our current admins, but I also can't disagree either. I'm remaining neutral in response, mainly because I don't wanna show any favoritism/hostility towards any of them. Thank you for the continued support however. :D Disaster Flare (talk) 04:51, 14 November 2015 (EST)

   Ok, just for clarification, I apologize if I came off as inflammatory to any of the sysops/bureaucrat who were mentioned and are aware they were, but quite honestly their flaws are not something to sugarcoat. My main point is DF is one of a kind as a user. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 07:34, 14 November 2015 (EST)

3. Support I...haven't got much to say, honestly. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 07:12, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Well do you have any ideas on how I can improve? I could really use the advice. Disaster Flare (talk) 20:13, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

   I would recommend a reason why you support his RfA personally. Dots (talk) The Falcon 20:16, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

   Good point, that would be recommended for a reason. If he doesn't reply, I have his email so I'll ask him to reply to this with a reason so that way his vote'll count. Disaster Flare (talk) 22:08, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

   The reason I "don't really have much to say" is because what needs to be said has kinda already been said. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 15:56, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

4. Full support Most certainly. You're saying you can use the admin tools and abilities effectively, and coupled with your experience, I have no idea why not. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 07:59, 27 October 2015 (EDT)
5. Full Support Like you, I've only been here a short while. On the whole, you sound like a good guy. A really good guy. User:ThePikaPlayer 3:44 29 October 2015 (EDT)

   I try my best, and I hope you enjoy being on the wiki so far. :D Disaster Flare (talk) 16:42, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

6. Support. You've recently proven multiple times you know how to settle disputes, and you have experience with wikis. Good luck! John PK SMAAAASH!! 16:40, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

   Thanks, good look on your future edits. :D Disaster Flare (talk) 18:11, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

7. Weak support.Really becoming more active in the wiki, and participating in major projects (like depreciating the Smasher pages.) Nyargleblargle Let's go Mets! (Talk · Contribs) 10:48, 1 November 2015 (EST)

   Trust me, it won't end there. I have some big plans for the Tripping and Pokémon Universe page. :D Disaster Flare (talk) 21:53, 1 November 2015 (EST)

   Shifting to support. OT made a good point about edit counts (my main concern before) not being particularly relevant to a user's ability, especially in this case. Nyargleblargle (Talk | Contribs) 16:33, 17 November 2015 (EST)

8. Weak Support: Your answer was, in my opinion, satisfactory. I do like lenience in newer users, especially if they are being harassed anyway. I am convinced of your dispute handling skills at this time. You've also increased your edit count...but in doing so, you've fallen down the one pitfall that prevents this from being a full support: Many of your edits are the same, short, simple, edit applied to a group of pages. Try going for more substantial things. I would like to see some page and template creation out of you too before fully supporting this. But hey, you've budged me twice, and trust me, that's not a typically easy thing to do. I tend to stand firm. Well done and best of luck. Serpent King 01:56, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   Thank you, while I will agree that most of my edits are like that, one thing I struggle with is finding ways I can make substantial edits (Though one such example of a way I have done it is on the Pokémon Universe page, though it does need cleaning up most likely). Another thing I struggle with is finding new pages I can create or creating a template that actually can and will be helpful to the wiki, so I try my best to look around for ways to help. Disaster Flare (talk) 02:02, 9 November 2015 (EST)

9. Slight Support You are getting better at the wiki. I love when you take on ambitious projects, although your edits are kind of simplistic. Keep it up and good luck. You earned my trust. Luigi540 (talk) 23:12, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   Thank you for the support, I do wanna say that I do wanna take on bigger projects, but there's the matter of finding those projects first, y'know? Disaster Flare (talk) 23:15, 9 November 2015 (EST)

10. extreme support what is not to love about this guy Nintendofan1653 (talk) 09:41, 21 November 2015 (EST)

Oppose

1. Oppose. Not on account of you doing anything wrong per se, but on account of not having seen enough of you total to make the judgment that you're ready for the job. Miles (talk) 15:43, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   This dude's been renamed from bulbaboy. So yeah, this dude's been on longer than you think. INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 15:45, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   That doesn't change the fact that his edit count is below 1000. Serpent∞King (talk) 15:49, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   While I do see your point, I have been trying to be more active on the mainspace, and I plan on reaching 1000 soon. Disaster Flare (talk) 15:54, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Update: Just to keep everyone up to speed, in total edit count, I just reached 1000 today. Disaster Flare (talk) 14:38, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

   Miles, I urge you to reevaluate this vote. DF has made some significant improvement over the last few weeks, and I am now much more convinced of his ability to handle adminship. At the very least, I would like you to explain more indepth the reason for opposing this RfA. Serpent King 18:34, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   Lack of experience continues to be the deciding factor for me for the time being. Again, DF has done nothing to indicate that he would be a bad admin per se, but I feel that he needs more experience with both wikis generally and with SmashWiki specifically before adminship would be appropriate. Miles (talk) 23:41, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   Well if it makes you feel any better Miles, Serpent is showing me the ropes on coding. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:47, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   Indeed. He can make tables now! Serpent King 23:53, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   And that's the kind of progress I hope you continue to make, and which may make you a good candidate for a future RfA. However, I think this one is a bit too soon for me to feel comfortable supporting you. Miles (talk) 23:54, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   I fully understand and I respect your opinion. I will do my best to get better. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:55, 9 November 2015 (EST)

2. Oppose: I took a look through your history, and you don't seem to have any blemishes on your record. However, I'm not particularly impressed either; I only managed to find a few instances of you getting involved in a conflict or talking about a proposal, and I didn't see you add anything really substantial nor anything that really demonstrates the strength of your judgement. You don't appear to be a bad candidate, you may even be one of the better candidates at the moment, but a wiki shouldn't ever promote on a "why not?" basis, and I need to be convinced you gaining adminship would benefit the wiki beyond just giving it another person to ban vandals and take out the trash. I'm open to being convinced differently if you want to try. However, I suggest you not stressing yourself out so hard to "prove yourself", do not let the wiki consume you and do not put it at such a high priority for yourself, if you're capable of being admin it will show soon enough. One more thing for everyone else, edit count means absolutely nothing for one admin's capabilities, it should never be an argument for nor against someone. Omega Tyrant 08:49, 14 November 2015 (EST)

   I first want to apologize for not getting to this sooner, I meant to but things came up. Anyway, I want to start by agreeing with most of the things you've said, yes I don't make a point to be more part in conflict resolution or proposals. I would give you my word saying I would become a bigger part, but I know my word just won't cut it, and you need visual evidence before you can trust what I say. I will say however that I definitely want to be more part of things like that, there's just the matter of being at the right place at the right time, but I always try to scout the RC for anything I can help out with, whether it be vandals, expanding upon articles, uploading images, etc. Even when I'm not logged in, I still have a tendency to scout the RC just in case, that way I can quickly log in if something's wrong. I will also say that yes, while I was stressed about my RfA and about proving myself at first, in the process I have learned when I need to back off from the wiki, and I try to not let it take over my life. Now, probably the question you're wondering most: "Why do you think you would make a worthy admin?"

   Not that it would help sway your opinions at all, but one quality that really helps out is that I tend to be on longer during the day than the admins, even to really late at night. This is due to the fact that I'm a night owl, and I prefer to stay up at night to help me think better, which helps especially with articles. Now, this does not mean it consumes my life, as I also use any quiet time to take a break and work on my webcomic or something. I also know that I don't exactly have the experience you're looking for, but whether this RfA passes or fails, I still want to improve. Serpent King's already teaching me more advanced code so I can better help around the wiki. He's been a very valuable mentor to me and I'm happy to work with him. I know your main concern is me just being another janitor. Heck, even I don't want that, and I've been trying hard to make sure that it doesn't. Like, okay, so even when I'm offline, I'm still working in a way, not just because I'd still be patrolling the RC, but also because I tend to work on drafts for things while I'm offline, or use it to think about creating my first template and what it would be. I want to improve, not just for the wiki, but for myself as well, and even if the application does fail, I'll take what I've learned from you and everyone else and use it to figure out what I need to improve on before I should make another attempt, that way I don't accidentally make a new one too soon, only to make a complete fool of myself. But again, I know just my word alone won't cut it, which is why I'll keep doing what I normally do, but better. Another thing I'd like to point out on why I'd be a good candidate is because of my general pacifism on the wiki, mostly during conflicts and whenever users are pushing me around. I try my best to stay as calm as possible during it, while trying to solve the conflict in the process. I gained this ability from my cousin actually (Her and I have never been on good terms, so in order to prevent a fight from breaking out, I had to learn to control my irritability, and I try my very best to not let anger show on the wiki, regardless of how much something may bother me. If you have any questions or anything else that you need to help further prove that I'm a candidate, then please do not hesitate to let me know. Disaster Flare (talk) 04:36, 15 November 2015 (EST)

   For you and anyone else who's having second thoughts or having trouble deciding. Disaster Flare (talk) 15:57, 16 November 2015 (EST)

   I read through your response, and the qualification page you filled out. However, I remain unconvinced you would be a fully competent admin that wouldn't just be a handy janitor. Your linked examples of dispute resolution skills really didn't do anything to change my prior judgment. And I don't think pacifism is a beneficial trait for an admin; an admin needs to be fully willing to get involved in conflicts, confront users, and be willing to be strict when problems arise. However, I do think you have potential, and will be observing you for the coming months, to better gauge your admin capabilities for when you make another RfA down the line. Omega Tyrant 18:13, 16 November 2015 (EST)

   In hindsight, pacifism was a poor choice for a word, as I have confronted in the past, but nonetheless, I thank you for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you again in the coming months. Disaster Flare (talk) 21:27, 16 November 2015 (EST)

3. Changing my vote again to oppose. Simply put, your comment that you have been trying to impress people just goes to further my point. But whether or not you do stop it if you're promoted, it means you weren't, and as far as I can tell still aren't, ready for admin powers. You shouldn't have to try; if you were ready to handle a position of power like this, it would come more naturally. And as much as I hate receiving this type of answer, I'm forced to give it: wait. Stick around. Stop trying so hard, and just be a part of the community. Until it's clear that you're ready and not just because you've been striving to be perfect, I can't support this. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 22:10, 18 November 2015 (EST)

   I will admit, trying to impress people isn't exactly what I've been trying to do anymore, with it really only being used at the very beginning. However, after seeing what you and Omega had to say, I do see a point of I may not exactly be ready after all yet, which is why I'm considering withdrawing the application. Disaster Flare (talk) 17:25, 19 November 2015 (EST)

   I think I'll wait however, I'd rather know what Toomai thinks. Disaster Flare (talk) 04:12, 20 November 2015 (EST)

Neutral

1. Already? I have no opinion as of yet, waiting for other inputs, so I will be Neutral for now. DekZek, The creature of your nightmares 00:36, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Not a problem, again, I don't mind if I fail. If I do I'll at least have come out of it knowing what I need to improve upon. Disaster Flare (talk) 00:37, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   That didn't go so well for me, lol. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 02:36, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

2. Neutral leaning to oppose: The honest truth? I have only seen you active recently. Your edit count is below 1000, and I have yet to see dispute handling skills from you. This was too soon, become a more active part of our wiki then try again. Now, this vote can be swayed either direction. Start participating in and resolving disputes, make more substantial edits, and keep up your good work with rollback and I may consider changing to support. Ignoring this will most likely result in my moving to oppose in the long run. Serpent∞King (talk) 00:44, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Yeah, that's what I've trying to do the last week. I perfectly see your point though, and I will try my best to become a bigger part of the wiki, regardless of whether this succeeds or fails. Disaster Flare (talk) 00:47, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Changing to Neutral because you handled this (among other recent disputes) perfectly. Serpent∞King (talk) 01:14, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

   His edit count is now above 1000 and he also fixed the deprecated code of all Smasher pages (well not without me doing a lot too but..). He also added trophy descriptions for the majority of items. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 15:32, 2 November 2015 (EST)

   Correction, all of them (at least to my knowledge). I've also been the sole contributor to the list of tripping attacks from SSB4, added trophy info for Poké Ball Pokémon and Assist Trophies, and I'm currently checking prerelease images. Disaster Flare (talk) 15:35, 2 November 2015 (EST)

3. Neutral leaning towards oppose. Only ever seen you until now, and you don't seem very active either. Removing my vote as I don't feel educated enough to have a say in this. Simply just because I didn't do my homework, so I shouldn't have the choice of this :P F0rZ3r0F0r (talk) 02:47, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   On the contrary, I do try to get on every day now for the past month, but noted regardless. Disaster Flare (talk) 03:06, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Uhh...wha? Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 18:06, 17 November 2015 (EST)

   People will sometimes just retract a vote entirely. It's not an impossible thing, so. Disaster Flare (talk) 18:07, 17 November 2015 (EST)

4. Oppositionally neutral. You do a lot. Do more. You're a vertebrate. Show us your backbone. Repeat. Keep repeating for a long time. Then apply again. Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 04:30, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   That's what I'll do, but I'd like to see how this turns out first before I go thinking about applying again. Disaster Flare (talk) 12:59, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Ok. Sorry if that was unhelpful. Of all the users that have requested last week, I will say that I oppose yours the least, due to the fact that you've made some good and sensible edits. Adminship may or may not be in your sight, but just keep it up for now and see where it takes you. Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 22:26, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   That's what I'm doing, thank you for the advice. It helps more than you may think. Disaster Flare (talk) 22:47, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Cool man. Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 23:07, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

5. Neutral. You'd be great with dealing with vandalism and decent with disputes judging from thus far, but I'd like to see more mainspace edits. Nyargleblargle Let's go Mets! (Talk · Contribs) 07:03, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   That's the plan Nyargle. As the days go by I find more and more ways I can contribute, so it's no longer a matter of "what am I supposed to edit." Disaster Flare (talk) 12:59, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   I'll probably revisit in a couple weeks, then. Nyargleblargle Let's go Mets! (Talk · Contribs) 13:48, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   I'll be looking forward to it. Disaster Flare (talk) 15:15, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   I feel like whenever someone says "Do more" or "Contribute more", it always seems like one of these three: redundanf, inconsistent, and/or vague. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 16:16, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

6. Neutral, leaning towards support I think you'd be a better admin than Aidan (no offense Aidan), and I believe that we need another admin, I just don't feel like I know you well enough to truthfully say either way, y'know? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 19:35, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Understandable, I was the same way about your admin attempt, no offense. Disaster Flare (talk) 19:42, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Changing my vote to neutral, leaning very slightly towards oppose. While, yes, you have been improving a lot since you applied, it all seems to be based around impressing us rather than actually being useful, which, while it is not inherently a bad thing, is a good implication that your improvements may halt once you become admin and no longer need to impress us. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 17:03, 10 November 2015 (EST)

   Yes, I will admit that I've been trying to impress people, but if I somehow implicated that was my only goal, I sincerely apologize, as that was not my intention. It's quite the opposite actually, while yes, I do want to impress people, I also want to improve for me as well, as I kick myself for not trying hard enough on Bulbapedia, and not trying hard enough on here when I first join. Whether this succeeds or fails, I plan on continuing improving, I plan on finding new ways to help around the wiki, and with Serpent recently starting to teach me more advanced coding for making templates, etc., I feel like I can contribute even more to the wiki than I ever could before, and that's what I will do, no matter the outcome. I appreciate your concerns, and I once again apologize if my actions have seemed in any way malicious or misguided. Disaster Flare (talk) 17:38, 10 November 2015 (EST)

7. 'Neutral, slightly towards support' Not sure if you deserved to pass and become an admin in my eyes. But recently, I see you working hard diligently. You went from being questionable candidate to more of the better admin candidates I seen before. Should you keep it up and show more of what you are capable of? I will change my opinion. Luigi540 (talk) 00:54, 31 October 2015 (EDT)

   I will try my very best (I'll try not to overwork myself though, that wouldn't be good). :D Disaster Flare (talk) 00:57, 31 October 2015 (EDT)

8. Very neutral I'd love to say "go on then, let's have another admin, waheyyy", but I just don't have a good reason to do so. For the first time in years, SmashWiki is finally going to have a reasonable number of active administrators, and you sadly missed the bandwagon to jump into that number. You've proven a proficient user thus far, but not in a way that proves you more proficient than, or just particularly different to our other candidates. I'd be very pleased on a personal level to see you promoted, but I don't have a good reason to vote that way. Toast ltimatum 09:57, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Comments

Say you're an admin and you get into a dispute with an experienced user. You are 100% sure about your side of the debate. Say, then, other users enter the debate against you. What do you do? Serpent∞King (talk) 00:54, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

It depends, there's the question that needs to be considered of "If we were to go with their side, would it make the page better or worse if it involves a page?" (Since most disputes on SmashWiki usually involve pages, we'll use this as an example) I like to experiment, especially with pages, and if an event like this were to happen, then I'd take what they're so insistent on and experiment the change (using the preview button in order to do so mind you.) If it somehow improves the page, then it definitely needs to be approved, if I'm still not sure however, I'd most likely screencap it and post it as a user image and ask those who think it'd make it better what they think. Disaster Flare (talk) 00:59, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Would you mind linking to attempts at conflict resolution? Nyargleblargle Let's go Mets! (Talk · Contribs) 06:08, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I'm not DF, but here and here. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 06:29, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I'd like to say though that the first one may not be the best example of how I'd deal with a dispute, that's just me though. Disaster Flare (talk) 12:59, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I'd like to point out this recent fight too. Disaster Flare (talk) 01:22, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

Guys, do keep in mind that just because someone has a low edit count and not being here long enough doesn't mean that they aren't already denied for a successful RfA; although I would admit that yes, some of his contributions may not be so much admin-quality but he still did make some good overall quality edits too. Dots (talk) The G-Man 22:03, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Excellent point Dots, yes, while I may not have the most edits out of anyone on the wiki, keep in mind I am a veteran of Bulbapedia, and I'd be willing to show my contributions there if it's needed. I doubt it will be, but the option's there just in case. Disaster Flare (talk) 22:47, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I suggest we try and make this page as short as possible so we don't make the Wiki a lag sandbox. User:ThePikaPlayer 3:8, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

...What? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 15:53, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Not really gonna happen Pika. Admin applications are very high-profile, and they kinda need to be long so that way everyone can state their honest opinions before Toomai makes a decision. Disaster Flare (talk) 17:20, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Oh, OK. Hope I didn't mess up. I'm just trying to make this a better place. User:ThePikaPlayer 5:26, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

It's perfectly fine, I understand you're new here and don't quite have the ropes yet. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask someone and we'll do our best to help if we can. Disaster Flare (talk) 17:27, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Let's just hope it doesn't get more than 90KB big like ToastUltimatum's second one did. That one was overdone with backlash from OT, even as someone who probably admires him more than anyone on the wiki (no offense). Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 17:39, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

I'm not sure what to say, but it's somewhere along the lines of "I think that's what I said earlier." Pika, Wild Turkey appeared! Talkz 19:17, 3 November 2015 (EST)

(reset indent) Eh I doubt that'll happen anyway. I have no quarrel with anyone on the site and as far as I know, nobody has anything bad against me, though it sucks that not a lot of people are voting, I could really use some advice if I'm doing something wrong, y'know? Disaster Flare (talk) 19:34, 3 November 2015 (EST)

I'm not sure what to do with this at the moment, and am mostly commenting as an indicator that I'm not ignoring it. The main roadblock currently is that I honestly don't know who you are. Despite seeing you make a bunch of edits recently, I don't recognize your username at all, and it's spooking me out. I'm going to have to research your edit history or something. Toomai Glittershine The Orchestral 11:35, 1 November 2015 (EST)

ahem. Also the fact that an unfamiliar usename spooks you out made my day. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 11:39, 1 November 2015 (EST)

Probably because he doesn't know Flare from Bublbaboy. But then again, nobody knows anybody old who changed their username. Pika, Wild Turkey appeared! Talkz 11:09, 4 November 2015 (EST)

Already taken care of. I messaged him on his talk page telling him how he'd know me. Disaster Flare (talk) 12:50, 4 November 2015 (EST)

Ok, I'm gonna say this: this is taking way too long. Fortunately, Disaster Flare has a ton of perseverance, but we need to come to some sort of consensus. Let's hope that it arrives before the sun gets so hot Earth becomes Venus. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 22:00, 6 November 2015 (EST)

It's only been just over a week... ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 22:03, 6 November 2015 (EST)

Yeah, if it were 6 months, then that'd be a problem... o_o Disaster Flare (talk) 22:04, 6 November 2015 (EST)

From my experience, these normally last 1-2 months. DekZek 22:08, 6 November 2015 (EST)

@YouNuttyChild (;-)), SERIOUSLY?! It's felt like forever. Geez, wow... Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 22:12, 6 November 2015 (EST)

Well...mine took 3 months...so... Serpent King 22:18, 6 November 2015 (EST)

Its also been less than two weeks since this started. With dispute stalemates like these, discussions could take a ton of time to resolve. :P Dots (talk) The Captain 00:05, 7 November 2015 (EST)

For me, it's like Ganonmew said, "It's felt like forever." Pika, Wild Turkey appeared! Talk 09:23, 7 November 2015 (EST)

I am going to give you a chance to get me in support:

Say there is a newer user who is not quite familiar with our policies yet. Now say someone corrects their edits and leaves messages on their talk page, but they are a bit...overboard ("OMG will you PLEASE sign your comments? You're so annoying..." etc). The new user continues to violate the policy. How do you resolve the situation? Serpent King 01:30, 9 November 2015 (EST)

As per your previous question, it depends. For one thing, if the user who's trying to correct them is saying being rude like that, I'm going to scold them no matter what, because there's no need to be rude to anyone, no matter what wrongdoing they've committed. When it comes to the user, that's difficult to determine. It'd have to depend on how exactly they're violating policies and what policies they're violating, for instance, a signed comment issue, I'm going to be a bit easygoing on, as it's not a terrible issue, just a minor issue that can be fixed rather quickly. Most likely the reason they'd ignore it is maybe because the user's being rude to them. I know I wouldn't wanna listen to someone who's being rude to me, so I'd talk to them myself, explain why exactly they're being called out, apologize for said user's misbehavior, and link them to the policies and hope they'll listen then. If not, then I'll remind them a couple more times, give them a few more chances, you know. If they continue to break the policies, then at that point I know I have no choice but to issue a penalty. The penalty would depend on the severity of the policy violation, but since they'd most likely be good faith, then it wouldn't be TOO severe, just enough to get their attention. At that point I'd put one more message on their talk page explaining why they faced a penalty and ask kindly to refrain from doing it again and to look at the policies they've been violating. Hopefully this helps, and if you need further information, don't hesitate to ask. Disaster Flare (talk) 01:44, 9 November 2015 (EST)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the nomination of a user for adminship. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

	This RfA was closed as successful.
	Reason:	SK clearly has near-unanimous community support, and shows no signs of being underserving of such support. Toomai Glittershine The Trumpeteer 10:02, 21 November 2015 (EST)

Serpent King (talk • contribs • edit count • RFA page)

Candidate, please summarize why you are running for adminship below.
Hello, I'm Serpent King. In mid-July, I submitted an RfA that ultimately ended in a stalemate. My opposition felt that I lacked proper dispute resolution skills. I believe that in the 3 (the RfA lasted for 2.5 months) months between then and now, I have gained these skills.

A few points to bring back from my previous RfA:

1. I am active and especially at night. Promoting me would fill a gap of admin inactivity that seems to attract a certain amount of vandalism.
2. I have been around since March of 2015, and since then, I have made 7680 edits.

   If anyone would like to see a running list of my major contributions, they are welcome to check here.

3. I will do my job in blocking vandals, but that is not the basis for making this RfA.

In the end, it's your vote that decides this RfA's fate, so I encourage you all to comment with questions before voting. I will be happy to answer them in a timely fashion of course. Thank you all for your consideration, and please enjoy the rest of your day! Serpent King 03:05, 8 November 2015 (EST)

Support

1. Strong support I don't even need to ask questions. In the time since you last applied, you have shown tremendous growth, in terms of editing, conflict resolution, and fighting back against vandals, and have been extremely helpful to all when they fell flat on their face (Yes that includes me). To be quite frank I trust you, and I think you'd be very capable to be admin. Sorry, I don't really have much else to say on the matter. I'll wait until more people vote before I add anything else. Disaster Flare (talk) 03:16, 8 November 2015 (EST)
2. Very, very STRONG support Your previous RfA may have been a failure, but since then, you have shown heavy growth, in terms of editing, conflict resolution (Which is the most important part of RfAs), and fighting against the vandals. You have also been extremely helpful to others when they needed help. Long story short, You will be a great admin. INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 03:56, 8 November 2015 (EST)

   I now change to Very strong support as Miles is correct: the example in my talk page archive is not really good conflict resolution. (But I still support for your efforts!) INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 04:32, 8 November 2015 (EST)

3. Part from this incident which you shouldn't have really got into, let alone stuck around, your dispute skills are supreme, and you are a top notch contributor. That, with TheThreeSysops all of a sudden no longer being active at a reliable time anymore, I think you are the optimal candidate at the time. With the exception of the above incident, all your contributions come down to me giving you a very, VERY strong support. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 05:57, 8 November 2015 (EST)
4. Strong support You've always been very helpful to other users (like me) and I've seen your massive improvement since the last time you applied. And your contributions are definitely not to be ignored. You still have some things to improve (like dispute handling), and Miles has VERY valid points (the only reason my support isn't full strength), but I'm sure you can pull it out. I hope you make it. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 06:11, 8 November 2015 (EST)

   After reviewing SK's responses to Emmett's qualification page, I can safely say that I give my full support. They were more than just satisfactory. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 15:12, 20 November 2015 (EST)

5. SUPPORT TO THE MAX all the good points were already taken Nintendofan1653 (talk) 07:29, 8 November 2015 (EST)
6. Support. While previously I was unsure whether you really deserved it, since then I believe you've really shown off what you were talking about. That, and you're one of the most active and helpful users I've seen. While Miles has brought up some decent points in my opinion, you still would be a good fit in my book. Removing my vote as I don't feel educated enough to have a say in this, and I feel I should do my homework if I want to make this decision. Best of luck to you, Serpent King. F0rZ3r0F0r (talk) 14:08, 8 November 2015 (EST)
7. Slightly Weak Support. I know you've contributed a bunch to this wiki. Pika, Wild Turkey Appeared! 10:36, 10 November 2015 (EST)
8. Support I definitely think you would be a good admin, although you definitely should work on your snippiness when exasperated (though this is a good example of the pot calling the kettle black), since, having dealt with that in an admin, it's definitely discouraging to a new user. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 16:59, 10 November 2015 (EST)

   Since if dispute handling were really as important as we tend to make it out to be, Nyargle would be the only admin, I'm changing to strong support. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 17:21, 19 November 2015 (EST)

9. Support Alright, I took another review of Serpent King, fully read his responses here and on the qualifications page, and I'm gonna now be putting my support behind him. I've found his answers to be satisfactory enough to show he knows what he is doing despite his lackluster RfA intro that gave other impressions, and reinforce my prior thoughts that he has a good head with solid judgment and reasoning skills. The main hangup people claim to have with him are his suppose dispute skills, but outside the smashpotatoes incident, I'm not seeing it, and it's a one-time incident Serpent King has sufficiently shown was likely a one-time thing. Miles' linked examples in particular don't stand out as bothersome outside the aforementioned. As I stated in my oppose, I don't see how he was doing anything remotely close to "heavy-handed berating" in the INoMed convo. On the Drilly Drilly page, I don't see any problem with this supposed "snappiness", as minor as it was, especially when the user he was trying to help been a problem user for a while who brushed off Serpent King's help. For the Toon Link argument, I find it again to be a problem user being needlessly difficult and pushing Serpent King's patience after he mostly handled it well; if anything he should have been more forceful from the getgo. For the Departure convo, I find Serpent King being "snippy" here fully justifiable, when it's the same problem user once again making such a ridiculous post that no one could take seriously. On the contrary, I've found that Serpent King is pretty damn good at serious disputes, particularly on the infamous Marth argument, this Smash 4 name argument, and his involvement with Miles' recent RfB, where I found he provided the most insightful posts besides myself. As such, I can trust giving Serpent King the adminship tools and am confident in his ability to lead on the wiki. Omega Tyrant 19:28, 16 November 2015 (EST)

   I thank you for your time spent on this assessment. Cheers! Serpent King 19:42, 16 November 2015 (EST)

10. Your resolve in helping the wiki is admirable, and as OT said you appear to be a fairly sensible and rational user. For me the selling point is your willingness to spend your own day off protecting the wiki, alongside other mentions of such. Additionally I am now convinced you will not abuse the admin tools which was a little concern of mine last time. I know my vote probably won't mean much but I will throw my support anyway. - EndGenuity (talk) 23:48, 16 November 2015 (EST)
11. Change to support Everything what I said on my initial vote. But at last after I saw your resolve, it about that time that you finally covered your one core problem that would of keep you from becoming an admin! I am now convinced that in my point of view, you would be a good admin. I trust you along with your skills. Good luck. Luigi540 (talk) 23:58, 16 November 2015 (EST)
12. Support. I've been thinking about this one for a while now. In the past, I feel I've been too quick to vote on these requests. What I was worried about was dispute handling, but then OT made some good points. Before he made his points though, I trusted your judgement. My opinions have been reinforced. You've made excellent contributions to the wiki and are on frequently, so you should make a good admin. Good luck! John PK SMAAAASH!! 11:16, 17 November 2015 (EST)
13. Support Wow, have I actually not voted yet? Man, this is long overdue...*clears throat* but I digress. You really know what you're doing, you're excellent at conflict resolution, and I feel this is a big improvement from the last RfA you had. Let's just hope this one doesn't sit here for two months. XD Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 11:24, 17 November 2015 (EST)
14. Support I would've supported last time, and I'm only further in support now. Thank heavens you won't go down in history as the next user to fail an RfA twice. Toast ltimatum 09:49, 18 November 2015 (EST)
15. Support He seems like one of the more mature users on here, at least when handling disputes and other wiki-related problems. Plus, he's up most of the night, so we have a better protection against night vandals. Laikue (talk | contribs) 16:32, 18 November 2015 (EST)
16. Support Like everyone here, I've been well impressed with your work here and I feel like you have the needs for the admin tools. Cheers for having five admins! Dots (talk) The Kirby's up tilt 16:38, 18 November 2015 (EST)
17. Strong Support: Since the last RfA, you've improved significantly, and have demonstrated your user dispute skills in conflicts even I was in and couldn't fully handle. You're an extremely valuable contributor to the wiki, and you're always available when I need to discuss something that's going on. You have my full support, and I'm confident you can handle the tools well and better this wiki even more in the future. --Timson622222 (talk) 04:11, 20 November 2015 (EST)

Oppose

1. Oppose. The main reason is a general lack of major positive change since the last RfA. Your claim as to why you are running again is because of improved dispute resolution skills, a claim which you attempted to justify here. However, I see little validity in such a claim. Forgive me if this gets a bit long-winded, but I'd like to explain my reasoning:
   • Your first cited example consists of zero content from you other than "Let's end this discussion here, shall we?", which is a statement of questionable value. Generally, jumping into a discussion that does not involve you and declaring it over isn't exactly good dispute resolution.
   • Your second cited example portrays you as rather heavy-handedly berating INoMed. The fact that you had to say "let's all calm down" and explain that you were trying to defuse the situation suggests that you didn't do such a great job defusing it to begin with.
   • I've also seen several instances lately where you quite quickly get snippy and exasperated with other users, such as this, this, and this. If I had the impression of these being isolated incidents, it might be one thing, but this looks more like a pattern than a coincidence.
   • I want to make clear that I do not think you are a bad contributor to the site in the slightest. However, if your main attempted justification for re-application is improved skills at user interactions, I'm not inclined to support you based on the evidence available to me. Miles (talk) 04:22, 8 November 2015 (EST)

   Yeah. That 2nd example is not really conflict resolution. INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 04:31, 8 November 2015 (EST)

   In reply to me getting exasperated: I could have handled that first example better, yes. I would not say that I immediately got exasperated with your second example, only when things stopped making logical sense. As for that third example...Looking back on it, I actually feel like I handled it quite well I could have handled it much worse (I definitely held myself back), all things considered. As for the claims that my dispute handling examples are weak: The first example...ended a potentially bothersome user dispute with one comment. The second...well all I was trying to do is phrase what Luigi540 had said, just in a nicer tone. Serpent King 04:36, 8 November 2015 (EST)

   I'd also like to point out that these exampled of snippiness (that's not a word, oh well)... are all from the same user. One that you yourself have had issues with Serpent King 04:40, 8 November 2015 (EST)

   More snippies. All over that talk page. Then again, these two users were indeed outright harassing you. I mean Drilly attempted to make you leave. Still, you might wanna give better examples. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 06:01, 8 November 2015 (EST)

2. Slight oppose: So I just spent the past few hours looking through your contribution history. First thing I'll say is that outside of the Smashpotatoes incident, the linked discussions Miles brought up do not have any real bearing against your capabilities (especially the INoMed thing, I don't see how you were "heavily-handed berating" there at all or doing anything wrong). Overall you appear to be a great user with a solid head, but while I don't find you poor at user conflict and discussion, I don't find anything that shows you especially excel at it. I was somewhat leaning towards your support, but your proposal here is extremely lacking and shows a lack of understanding of what a wiki really requires in an admin. I have no doubt you can handle vandals well, but like I repeat over and over, that's a basic job anyone with basic competency can do. Besides that, I just don't have a strong grasp on your overall judgment. And with that, I'll have to lean to oppose, as I won't support the promotion of someone on an overall "why not?" basis. Like I said in the Disaster Flare RfA, I'm open to being convinced otherwise if you want to try and have anything to show me that could change my mind, I think you have the potential but I want to be 100% certain you do before supporting an RfA of yours. Omega Tyrant 11:03, 14 November 2015 (EST)

   Let me start by saying that I do know that I did wrong on the smashpotatos thing, that was mostly out of...annoyance I had had with him in the past. Now, reading over your response here, I am not entirely sure what you are expecting out of me, but I'll try my best.

   • I have been involved in, and have fought vandals on many occasions. I agree with you that this alone does not mean that admin should be granted, as this could be true of any rollbacker.
   • I continually push on the maintenance panel in attempt to get certain tasks done. I have been involved in almost every merge, split, move, and delete discussion, as well as policy proposals and RfAs since I started here 8 months ago. I have reduced the missing image count from over 150 to below 75 at one point, just in providing screenshots from Melee and Smash 64. I know this doesn't really mean much when considering an RfA, but it does mean that I have no intention of being "That one admin who blocks vandals but isn't good for anything else". I know our series well, and while I do lack knowledge on the tournament scene, such things can be researched.

   You'll also note that I am the lead contributor on everything about the debug menu.

   • My strongest attribute, which I foolishly left out of this RfA, is my ability to deal with newer users. I have shown this quality time and time again.

   So yeah, if you have anything specific, please do not hesitate to ask me. Otherwise, I hope this has somewhat swayed you. Serpent King 19:38, 14 November 2015 (EST)

   Pretty much this is the criteria I'm expecting of you. If you can sufficiently answer the questions given there, I'll reconsider. Omega Tyrant 03:53, 15 November 2015 (EST)

   Right then, here you go. Serpent King 14:59, 15 November 2015 (EST)

Neutral

1. Very difficult decision to make, but Neutral. I'm really worried about your dispute skills, as they don't seem to be effective at times, but you are taking steps to get better and you would be great for janitorial work. Nyargleblargle (Talk | Contribs) 08:39, 8 November 2015 (EST)

   I am now leaning towards support after your answers to the qualifications list. Nyargleblargle (Talk | Contribs) 10:06, 18 November 2015 (EST)

2. Between Neutral and Support: I can't really state my own opinions without parroting everyone else here. I think the only questionable aspect of this is your dispute-handling, (I'm not gonna get into it, since Miles basically summarized it the best) but other than that, you're among the best candidates who is currently active. I'm sure we could PROBABLY accept a new admin who's spotty in just ONE area! MeatBall104 10:15, 8 November 2015 (EST)
3. Neutral. Sigh. I don't know what to say about this. Everything what I said in your previous RFA, except you inherit one core problem in your effectiveness on your dispute skills, although I've seen you made some improvements. However, I trusted some users with decent to great dispute skills. I don't know about yours. Should I trust you as an admin? Hmm maybe. I'm not sure. I'll wait until more people vote and then I will decide deeply. Luigi540 (talk) 11:35, 8 November 2015 (EST)

   I am not sure where I have indicated otherwise. If I have been a good faith user this long, I am not about to ruin that if I get promoted. Serpent King 18:37, 8 November 2015 (EST)

Comments

Before anyone asks here are two examples of my improved dispute skills. I'll dig up more if asked. Serpent King 03:17, 8 November 2015 (EST)

That's another thing I forgot to mention, you've always backed me up whenever I had trouble with resolving conflict, which I think is extremely worth noting. Disaster Flare (talk) 03:18, 8 November 2015 (EST)

Question. By when you could start another RfA again, does it have to be after four months since you started your last attempt or four months after the last RfA ended in failure? Dots (talk) The Coffee Maker 09:17, 8 November 2015 (EST)

There's not necessarily a minimum time, as long as you've improved since then. Nyargleblargle (Talk | Contribs) 10:27, 8 November 2015 (EST)

Alright guys, here's the deal. I do a lot for this wiki, I don't think there is anyone who'd disagree with me there. The reason that I keep trying for this is that I wish to do more, that I really feel like I could make a significant boost on our image as a whole. I can be a vandal's worst nightmare. I can and will go through our speedy deletes every day, and most likely as they occur.

I understand that editing disputes are an area that I need to work on, but know that I am trying to improve. A lot of my snippiness (again, so not a word...) is a result of me being personally annoyed. I do not handle illogical situations that well and I never have (again, this is an area I am trying to improve). I can however guarantee that this flaw will never be reflected in any administrative action made by me. I will never administrate based on opinion. I understand that these are just words and talk is cheep, but know that I am speaking from the heart here. Serpent King 14:02, 8 November 2015 (EST)

Bump. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 08:05, 14 November 2015 (EST)

So far, I think in terms of community support, it's technically passed (not saying Toomai won't have his doubts): 16 support, 1 oppose (who has done little to defend his argument), and 2 neutral, both leaning towards support. It's also worth noting that you are quite literally the only candidate in ALL of OT's time here who he supports, and that means you're doing something right. Let's let it sit for a while to see what happens, however. I will get Toomai (again) to see if he has a different say in this. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 17:29, 19 November 2015 (EST)

It's not over until it's over. To all of my support, I thank you. To my oppose, I value your consideration and critique. A mention to Toomai would be fine, but please do not pester him. Thank you. Serpent King 18:44, 19 November 2015 (EST)

You're right. Also, I will not pester him, don't worry, just a quick making-sure-it's-relevant. Best wishes. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 20:03, 19 November 2015 (EST)

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