SmashWiki:Requests for adminship

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This is the page for requesting adminship for SmashWiki.

Rules & Regulations

• Only self-nominations are allowed. If you think that another member would make a good sysop, then you can convince them to nominate themselves. You cannot make a nomination on behalf of another user.
• After sufficient time has passed to allow all users who wish to express an opinion the chance to do so, a decision will be made based on community consensus as to whether or not the request will succeed. Once a decision has been made, the discussion will be archived.
• Selections of sysops are not a simple vote count, or majority opinion. Users who wish to be promoted should demonstrate a steady commitment to this wiki, and be able to point to reasons that the sysop tools would allow them to do better editing.
• Candidates should describe why the wiki should want them to be sysops, not why they want to be sysops on the wiki.
• When supporting or opposing a candidate, give good reasons. Comments that describe in detail why the candidate should/should not become a sysop carry far more weight than simple support/oppose.
• Rollback status is not required for a successful RfA, but is highly encouraged. Users who only want sysop tools for quick reverts of vandalism will be directed towards the appropriate request.
• Upon request, a prospective sysop may be given a scenario and asked his/her opinion on how s/he would handle it.
• Users that have been blocked in the past, or who have previously made an RfA and failed, are no less eligible for adminship. However, such users should be able to demonstrate how they have improved since the block/previous RfA, lest their RfA find serious opposition.

Past nominations

• For a list of all previous requests for adminship that ended with the candidate's promotion, please see this category.
• For a list of all previous requests for adminship wherein the candidate was not promoted, please see this category.

How to nominate

If you have not had a request for adminship page before, follow this two-step process.

1. Go to the end of the requests section below, and add the following text:
   {{{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}/Username}} Where "Username" is the name of the user being nominated.
2. Click on the created red link, and add:
   {{subst:rfa|Username|reason for nomination}}

However, if you have had a previous request for adminship, follow this process instead.

1. Go to the end of the requests section below, and add the following text:
   {{{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}/Username (#)}}
   Where "Username" is the name of the user being nominated, and where # is 2 for the second RfA, 3 for the third, and so on.
2. Click on the created red link, and add:
   {{subst:rfa|Username|reason for nomination}}

Current requests

The following discussion is an archived debate of the nomination of a user for adminship. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

	This RfA was closed as failed.
	Reason:	Withdrawn by user. Miles (talk) 12:48, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Aidanzapunk (talk • contribs • edit count • RFA page)

Candidate, please summarize why you are running for adminship below.
Well, let's see here...um...well, for one, I'm active most of the time, arguably more so than other admins on this site. For two, I have a very good idea of what should and shouldn't go on here. For three, the time the rollbackers had to stall this recent vandal is quite frankly ridiculous.

I have a computer that I can use, but I have access to my phone at all times, so I can work from both systems. In addition to that, thanks to my phone, I'm one of the fastest users here to respond to something, so I can deal with vandalism quickly should it turn up.

I'd appreciate thoughts on this, and I do hope this goes well.

Support

1. EXTREME Support You are an excellent rollbacker, very kind to others, not wanting to abuse admin powers, and unlike others, I think that your conflict resolution is actually good. a great RFA candidate IMHO. INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 13:26, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
2. Very Strong Support I can already tell just from the short amount of time that we've talked that you'd make an excellent admin. You're kind to others so people don't feel hesitant to talk to you about something, you've made some strong contributions to the Wiki, and while a little more experience under the belt couldn't hurt, you already have enough in front of you to be accepted, should they accept you. Good luck. :D Disaster Flare (talk) 13:39, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
3. 100% Support I've been constantly around ever since 2015. I've always noticed who did what change. I took the time to go through all of Aidan's contributions and discussions. Long story short, yes. For all the above reasons, definitely worth to be an admin. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 13:48, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

   Increasing to 110% Support I see that there's plenty of opposition, but I'd like to add something. Rollbackers can't block vandals. Sure, they can instantly revert edits, but blocking is usually more efficient. Aidan is indeed more active overall, so... Even if is indeed a bit rushed, but a fourth active admin wouldn't hurt. Especially when SK loses his sleep... Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 15:46, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

4. Strong Support I think that more admins is the way to go in lieu of all the vandalism. You are active, and I can contact you if I catch one overnight too. You have levelheadedness and, in my opinion, are plenty trustworthy. Serpent∞King (talk) 14:11, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

   I am shifting to Support mainly because I partly agree with Miles that this feels rushed. Serpent∞King (talk) 14:57, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

5. Support per everything above so far. You seem to be active when we don't have admins online so you could deal with vandals in that timeframe. DekZek, The creature of your nightmares 14:21, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
6. Per everyone. To be more specific, needing to hold off a vandal via rollback shouldn't happen if we have active admins. We need you. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 16:05, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

   Shifting to a stronger support. I felt like this was rushed at first, but with there being so many vandals that Serpent King is risking his health to protect the wiki, I see even more reason to be a system operator. More than 10 different vandals in less than a week, more than 20 violators this month alone, and a user skipping sleep to protect the wiki from vandalism is appalling, almost inexcusable. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 09:04, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

7. Support. You'd be great with the janitorial tools and have pretty good dispute skills. My only worry is that you could be a bit more straightforward, as your attempts at conflict resolution don't feel definite. Other than that, though, I feel you would be a great admin. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 16:13, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

   Shifting to Weak support. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 06:38, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

8. Support Despite it being questionable to have these tools, user is well liked by the community and is strongly supported already. Dots (talk) The Sigma 16:26, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Slight oppose On one hand, you're very active and usually quickly and quietly deal with vandals like you did today, much quicker than the admins often do. On the other hand, you're kind of unpredictable. All of the very minor trivia points that you get involved in arguments about, and (to bring up something from awhile ago that isn't completely relevant but is making me unsure) the whole "is Luigi a semi-clone or not" which made me feel very unwelcome on the wiki when I first started. Right now, with your strengths in vandal handling but poor wiki handling, I think rollback is the best place for you. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 14:52, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

   I can understand the critique about the unpredictability, as I've noticed that in myself, even outside the wiki. That said, all I really want to do is help, and becoming an admin will certainly help out with that. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 15:47, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

2. Oppose. Attempts at conflict resolution are mixed at best, and in several places concerning. Little demonstrated need for admin powers, as most of your stated reasons can be done without admin powers. This seems like a rushed RfA in the aftermath of an obnoxious vandal. I would suggest you try again later when you can better demonstrate that you have what it takes to manage the responsibilites of adminship. Miles (talk) 16:16, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

   Even I'll admit this seemed kind of rushed in my opinion, but I can honestly feel that it can be put to good use outside of the main reason I put this up in the first place. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 16:19, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

3. Oppose. Looking at your contributions, your conflict resolutions are a mixed bag. While you handle certain conflicts well, you exhibit defensiveness of inordinate levels when it comes to your own disputes, and demonstrate questionable reasoning skills while doing so. The way you react to things you find undesirable and frequent use of vulgar language comes across as juvenile and out of place. I agree with Nutta Butta and Miles in that you have not showed the wiki why you should have admin powers, as you are already doing a great job in dealing with recent vandals. I would suggest you consciously grow and apply yourself more before taking on higher responsibilities. Aardvarkian (talk) 04:13, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

   The "frequent use of vulgar language" stems from the fact that I tend to use it a lot, even in common conversation. Just throwing it out there, it's not exclusive to argumentation. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 07:19, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

   Can I add that SmashWiki is not censored? Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 15:38, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

   That doesn't matter. You have much more control over what you type than what comes out of your mouth. And with that there's little excuse for some the reactions you exhibit here. I'm not saying you should censor yourself. I'm just saying that there are better, more effective ways to put things, and many times when you use those words, it is not necessary. Improper use of language is actually the least of my mentioned concerns here, though. (Aardvarkian's Talk Page • My Contribs) 19:06, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

   Switching to Strongly Oppose, given how this also feels rushed to me compounded with his weak reasoning as exemplified by his given reasons for requesting Adminship here. (Aardvarkian's Talk Page • My Contribs) 19:40, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

4. Oppose I am getting a very strong impression that you initiated this for the wrong reasons, and your blurb is not very convincing in terms of how you'd be a better-than-average candidate. More than anything else, this feels like "admin for the sake of more admins". Toomai Glittershine The Hammer 17:05, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

   Initially, yes; as Miles stated (and I then agreed with), it was a bit rushed due to an obnoxious vandal. However, given more time to think about it, I feel that I can put other admin tools to good use. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 17:09, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

   Could you clarify? Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 17:54, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

5. Slight oppose. While I believe you'd probably make a decent admin, I don't see a lot of things based on the application. You're a good contributor however without a doubt, just I don't see where you can do better over others. F0rZ3r0F0r (talk) 01:10, 22 October 2015 (EDT)
6. Strong oppose. To be honest, I'm pretty questionable in your wiki handling skills, as I looked up everyone's opinion and there are slews of flaws you have. Because of that, I have to disagree with some people who is supporting for you. Your reasons to become an admin seems to be a lackluster, which it doesn't look good. That gives me a bad picture about how you would do with admin power. Getting adminship is simply beyond just only dealing with vandalism. You are more of being a janitorial admin if you only deal with vandalism. Should I trust you to become an admin? No thanks. I suggest you do RFA later in few months or more once you have to correct your core problems including some half of your disputes. Right now, you don't deserve being an admin in my eyes. Luigi540 (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2015 (EDT)
7. Sure the recent fuck-load of vandalism is a growing and very nettling problem but that doesn't justify why you specifically should get adminship over everyone else. You're active a lot? Not a very good argument in my book. OT at the time of his RfA was very active but now he hasn't contributed in a month, and now he doesn't see anytime that he can be as active as he once was. Dispute handling? I'm looking at the argument on Talk:Tier list/Archive 7 and it seems you let your emotions get the best of you. It's an admirable effort, but I don't think it qualifies as good dispute handling. As Toomai said, this seems like a rushed opportunity for you to obtain adminship in light of the recent vandalism. More than sufficient proof is the fact that you didn't even sign your RfA.
   Overall, it seems you offer next to nothing over other candidates, and for that I strongly oppose you getting adminship. - EndGenuity (talk) 10:08, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

   While almost all of that is true, the one thing I'd like to argue is that it isn't required that you sign your RfA.
   That said, being active more means I can deal with vandals faster. In addition, for the last time, yes, this was kind of rushed. I will gladly admit that. But I feel that I can use the admin tools in other ways. Maybe that's just me, idk. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 10:13, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Neutral

1. Neutral Normally this wiki wants admins who can handle user disputes, and I don't think user handling records are necessary to become a sysop. That should be a job for Bureaucrats. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 13:26, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

   "Users who wish to be promoted should demonstrate a steady commitment to this wiki, and be able to point to reasons that the sysop tools would allow them to do better editing."

   ...I'd say that applies to how this could help me. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:29, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

   I remembered when I applied for an RfA, I actually knew how to deal with vandals and made strong contributions to this Wiki. But when they asked lots of questions about user dispute handling, that's when I gave up. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 13:37, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

   I can do user dispute handling. I'm good with dispute handling in general, to be quite frank. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:38, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

   I know not every admin is good at all fields, some are better at user dispute handling than others. Even Miles and OT got into a dispute with each other, then Miles got into a dispute on a Marth page. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 13:44, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

2. Neutral I would admit that you were just like me a year or two back then but even I don't really think that I'm responsible to take on admin duties yet, even after being on this wiki for almost 5 years. For the reasons you game me, your a great user but adminship is somewhat questionable as of right now. Dots (talk) The Cannon 14:41, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
3. Neutral Whilst I would usually agree with this RFR, however slightly,
   1. This feels like a knee jerk reaction, almost.
   2. You shouldn't base part of your RfR on, and therefore recognise any vandal.
   3. Trying to aim for solely unaminosity in a DR is, to be honest, never going to work.

   Whilst, all of these, in and of themselves, I'm okay with, together, they kind of bother me. I might change my decision in the future depending on what I see, but for now... I'm unsure. ScoreCounter 04:31, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

   Also, addendum - that is not how I would handle a new user with a bad username. Actually explain what they did wrong, then link the appropriate policy, as well as SW:FIRST. Just linking to the Policy is okay for older users, with newer ones, it's just not helpful, and comes across as curt. ScoreCounter 13:15, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

   I personally wouldn't have linked SW:FIRST. Yes, I should have explained what they did wrong in the first place, and I'll admit that. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:18, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

4. Neutral I agree we need more admins, and that you would be a good choice because you're on frequently and revert a lot of vandal edits. However, I kind of agree with Aardvarkian's points. I feel there should be a "lower-ranking" admin position whose sole job is to block vandals. (Sorry it says "1." at the beginning of this vote, but I'm not sure how to fix that) John PK SMAAAASH!! 18:24, 21 October 2015 (EDT)
5. Neutral leaning towards oppose Changing my vote a second time and being neutral again. Eh I sorry Aidan. I would love to support you but you seem to only have a desire to become admin instead of needing the tools unlike Nyargleblargle who I feel like does do a good job with the tools, and your points, if any, for needing the tools are weak. Dots (talk) The Medic 19:10, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

   If I may...

   instead if needing the tools unlike Nyargleblargle who I feel like does do a good job with the tools, and your points, if any, for needing the tools are weak.

   Well you COULD say that two admins could handle the job with the tools, couldn't you? Also while Nyargleblargle does FAR (and I mean far) better with the tools than Toomai or Miles, I feel like he is somewhat lacking in dealing with vandals, which seems like a tool Aidanzapunk would use well. One of his points for adminship is dealing with vandalism, and with Miles not being on as much, and Toomai becoming pretty much semi-active now, Nyargle is left to do the job and doesn't really do it well, considering the SmashWikia levels of vandalism we've been having. I feel like having Aidan as an admin could fix this. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 16:01, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

   Sorry for responding this late. When I questioned the three RfA users about why they RfAed before the weekends, it seem to appear that Aidanzapunk's request was a response to the recent vandalism going about like you said. I'm not sure if he wants the tools to solely deal with vandals or not but being an admin doesn't just mean that they have the right to block, rather, he even said that more admins will make better online admin consistency. Vandalism also just keeps coming back; so just blocking them, including IP range blocks, isn't going to permanently stop them either. In terms of how "active" our current active admins are, Miles and Nyargleblargle couldn't be this inactive from the wiki as well despite the fact that there were days where vandals weren't blocked for hours including (insert infamous April 2011 vandal's name). Dots (talk) The Mega Man 22:31, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

6. Neutral leaning towards Support Same as everyone says. Once we can issue range bans on these vandals, we don't need so many admins. DekZek, The creature of your nightmares 22:50, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

   A few things. 1) A range ban won't help if the IPs are so far apart. 2) There will always be vandals, and we really do not have enough admins IMO. There is not the 24/7 coverage that we used to have Serpent∞King (talk) 22:52, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

Comments

Before I vote, I do have to express my concern that you messed up the placement of this RfA. Serpent∞King (talk) 13:29, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

I don't even know how the hell I did that. I just copied the stuff from the main RFA page. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:30, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

...never mind, I see how I fucked up. My bad. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:31, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

Question: What makes you think you're qualified to be an admin, aside from handling vandalism? Miles (talk) 13:40, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

To be honest, that was the main reason I had in my head when I first put this up, but thinking about it a little more, there's more to it than that; I can help new users find the end of the tunnel if they're lost, I can help old-timers in a debate (should one come up), and I'm very good at making sure people are doing what they're supposed to do. As I mentioned earlier, I'm arguably on more often than you or any other admin, and to be honest, the wiki could use someone who's able to reliably be there when they need it. (And that was in no way intended to offend you or anyone else here.) Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 14:35, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

I'd like to give you a hypothetical question because I'm curious to see your answer. Let's say there's a new user ("Alph") and two experienced users ("Brittany" and "Charlie"). "Alph" makes a change to a page's layout that you personally support, but the two experienced users revert it repeatedly. It ends up in a talk page discussion, where support and opposition to the change is roughly equal. How would you resolve the situation? Miles (talk) 14:42, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

Well, it would depend on:

1. The reasons given regarding support and opposition
2. Regarding the personal preference, how it looks on the page itself.

In a debate like this, it would really depend on unanimous decision, but because of the circumstances, thinking outside the box would be required. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 14:53, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

Could you link to two or three examples of attempts you've made at conflict resolution? It doesn't really matter if they were actually carried out, but I'm looking more for how you go about it. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 15:32, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

The first thing that comes to mind off the top of my head is this, but even then, it was just a minor attempt. For a somewhat better example, see here. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 15:41, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

If you're talking about the latter argument on the Mario Maker talk page, then that's a really bad example. After examining the situation from multiple angles, it was a matter of Aidan clinging onto something he was clearly incorrect about, even when he was given a sufficient opposing explanation, and wanting to end the dispute early, all whilst in a poor mood, and ultimately over something so minor such as a trivia point. Aardvarkian (talk) 02:05, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

Whether or not he was right is a matter of opinion, but him attempting to end the dispute early makes sense given how minor the issue was. I was more impressed by his first attempt, though, and I did bring up my concerns with the second point in my vote.Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 06:36, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

Ok, to be fair, the Mario Maker one was a bit lacking, but again, I was in a foul mood, as something had come up that same day; however, I did end up reexplaining my side of the argument, once I had woken up from the night before, and had gotten out of the foul mood. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 07:09, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

I mean, when it boils down to it...there haven't really been a lot of major arguments on the wiki (aside from whatever the hell these two will argue about). Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 07:17, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

Oh, I see. You did explain yourself afterwards, which is good. You didn't allow tension to boil, and explained why things went down the way they did. Aardvarkian (talk) 11:56, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

Exactly. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 11:58, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

I'm not impressed by how far you are willing to go to preserve your versions of the text, or your reasoning skills in disputes with decisions made in editing. However, I do think that will has proven to be very effective in your dealings with vandals. I am unsure if Adminship is necessary for further use of that. (Aardvarkian's Talk Page • My Contribs) 12:46, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

I think the best way to put it is I'm good at settling arguments between two other people, but not really good at settling arguments where I am one of the two people arguing. That may or may not hinder my chances at landing this adminship thing, but that's the way I see it. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:07, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

1. Things aren't looking good. Results on this are mixed to negative, and with Toomai opposing this has a very large chance of failing, which I'll try to fight as much as possible. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 17:39, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

You know what, at this point, I might as well bring this down. Toomai, would you do the honors? Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 10:32, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the nomination of a user for adminship. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

	This RfA was closed as failed.
	Reason:	It's close, but ultimately I have to say "not yet" to this proposal. Candidate is certainly on the right track in pretty much all ways, but based on the response from the userbase, is just not there yet. Toomai Glittershine The Golden 09:59, 21 November 2015 (EST)

Disaster Flare (talk • contribs • edit count • RFA page)

Candidate, please summarize why you are running for adminship below.

Well...where do I begin? I may have only been on SmashWiki for a year, but this isn't my first wiki. The first one I joined was Bulbapedia under the name Pokedex493 (I still have the account, but I'm not as active on there anymore) back in 2011, around the time when Pokemon Black and White information was starting to be revealed. I had learned a lot in those years I spent on there, and when I joined SmashWiki in 2014, I took those skills with me, and did my best to apply it when needed. Additionally, I tried out to be a Junior Administrator on Bulbapedia back in 2012, and I had qualified for all categories except one: edit count. After I submitted my application, I worked hard and eventually did reach the edit count they required, but it was too late and that was the sole reason I wasn't accepted.

While I haven't made extremely large contributions to SmashWiki, some notable things I've done were add the trophy descriptions to all SSB4 Assist Trophy, Poke Ball summons, and plain character pages that still needed them. Personality-wise, I can be a very nice person, trying my best to be nice to everyone, no matter how disrespectful they're being, and if an argument were to take place, then I'm always willing to listen to both sides of an argument before I make a decision, and if I can't decide, then that's when I'd ask otherss for their opinions and figure it out from there.

I'm aware the most recent of people who tried out were mainly doing it for stopping vandals, but that's not what adminship is about, we can still stop them just fine with the tools we already have as it is. We choose to want to become admins (or at least I did) because I have faith in this community and I want to better help solve disputes, I want to make sure everyone feels safe on the wiki and I want to make sure that disputes/arguments don't ruin anyone's time on here. All of you have always been extremely helpful toward me, been there for me when I needed it, and I'm even making friends here, and I want to better help this community continue to grow, I want people to be encouraged to come to SmashWiki and look to us for the information they're searching for. If there's anything else you were expecting from this, hopefully you will find what you're looking for from my contributions and my edit count, and if you have any questions, please let me know and I'll answer as soon as possible. Thanks everyone for reading and I wish everyone the best of luck in their future contributions to the wiki. Disaster Flare (talk) 00:32, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. Support. You are a good rollbacker from what I can tell, but why are you applying for adminship? Yes, I do think you will be a good (Not excellent) admin, that would be average with conflict resolution. INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 03:45, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Well, it's something I've wanted to try for a few years now. I wanted to try again on Bulbapedia, but they only let people try out when they have openings. I dunno, SmashWiki feels more open about it if you ask me, and I think I could learn a lot more in an admin position that I can't normally learn in my current state. Disaster Flare (talk) 03:53, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

2. Very strong support. All who are saying they've only known him for a short time, remember Bulbaboy? He's Bulbaboy. So I feel confident that you can be a good admin. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 05:45, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Yeah. I still remember the bulbaboy days of DF... INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 07:21, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Those were dark times...kidding, kidding. XD Really the way I see it, the name Bulbaboy was me as a child, and Disaster Flare is me growing up. Disaster Flare (talk) 12:59, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Switching to Very, VERY Strong Support. You're probably the best dispute handler on the wiki. Also, all of the admins at this point are dysfunctional right now: one is never active when we need them, one has a shaky reputation, one only really helps with vandals and janitorial work, and one makes 90KB worth of bickering all the time. You are the one we need. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 11:36, 11 November 2015 (EST)

   Sorry I haven't been able to respond to this (I've been trying to respond to all messages on here), this one's just difficult to reply to. I can't agree with your claims on our current admins, but I also can't disagree either. I'm remaining neutral in response, mainly because I don't wanna show any favoritism/hostility towards any of them. Thank you for the continued support however. :D Disaster Flare (talk) 04:51, 14 November 2015 (EST)

   Ok, just for clarification, I apologize if I came off as inflammatory to any of the sysops/bureaucrat who were mentioned and are aware they were, but quite honestly their flaws are not something to sugarcoat. My main point is DF is one of a kind as a user. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 07:34, 14 November 2015 (EST)

3. Support I...haven't got much to say, honestly. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 07:12, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Well do you have any ideas on how I can improve? I could really use the advice. Disaster Flare (talk) 20:13, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

   I would recommend a reason why you support his RfA personally. Dots (talk) The Falcon 20:16, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

   Good point, that would be recommended for a reason. If he doesn't reply, I have his email so I'll ask him to reply to this with a reason so that way his vote'll count. Disaster Flare (talk) 22:08, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

   The reason I "don't really have much to say" is because what needs to be said has kinda already been said. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 15:56, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

4. Full support Most certainly. You're saying you can use the admin tools and abilities effectively, and coupled with your experience, I have no idea why not. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 07:59, 27 October 2015 (EDT)
5. Full Support Like you, I've only been here a short while. On the whole, you sound like a good guy. A really good guy. User:ThePikaPlayer 3:44 29 October 2015 (EDT)

   I try my best, and I hope you enjoy being on the wiki so far. :D Disaster Flare (talk) 16:42, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

6. Support. You've recently proven multiple times you know how to settle disputes, and you have experience with wikis. Good luck! John PK SMAAAASH!! 16:40, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

   Thanks, good look on your future edits. :D Disaster Flare (talk) 18:11, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

7. Weak support.Really becoming more active in the wiki, and participating in major projects (like depreciating the Smasher pages.) Nyargleblargle Let's go Mets! (Talk · Contribs) 10:48, 1 November 2015 (EST)

   Trust me, it won't end there. I have some big plans for the Tripping and Pokémon Universe page. :D Disaster Flare (talk) 21:53, 1 November 2015 (EST)

   Shifting to support. OT made a good point about edit counts (my main concern before) not being particularly relevant to a user's ability, especially in this case. Nyargleblargle (Talk | Contribs) 16:33, 17 November 2015 (EST)

8. Weak Support: Your answer was, in my opinion, satisfactory. I do like lenience in newer users, especially if they are being harassed anyway. I am convinced of your dispute handling skills at this time. You've also increased your edit count...but in doing so, you've fallen down the one pitfall that prevents this from being a full support: Many of your edits are the same, short, simple, edit applied to a group of pages. Try going for more substantial things. I would like to see some page and template creation out of you too before fully supporting this. But hey, you've budged me twice, and trust me, that's not a typically easy thing to do. I tend to stand firm. Well done and best of luck. Serpent King 01:56, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   Thank you, while I will agree that most of my edits are like that, one thing I struggle with is finding ways I can make substantial edits (Though one such example of a way I have done it is on the Pokémon Universe page, though it does need cleaning up most likely). Another thing I struggle with is finding new pages I can create or creating a template that actually can and will be helpful to the wiki, so I try my best to look around for ways to help. Disaster Flare (talk) 02:02, 9 November 2015 (EST)

9. Slight Support You are getting better at the wiki. I love when you take on ambitious projects, although your edits are kind of simplistic. Keep it up and good luck. You earned my trust. Luigi540 (talk) 23:12, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   Thank you for the support, I do wanna say that I do wanna take on bigger projects, but there's the matter of finding those projects first, y'know? Disaster Flare (talk) 23:15, 9 November 2015 (EST)

10. extreme support what is not to love about this guy Nintendofan1653 (talk) 09:41, 21 November 2015 (EST)

Oppose

1. Oppose. Not on account of you doing anything wrong per se, but on account of not having seen enough of you total to make the judgment that you're ready for the job. Miles (talk) 15:43, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   This dude's been renamed from bulbaboy. So yeah, this dude's been on longer than you think. INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 15:45, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   That doesn't change the fact that his edit count is below 1000. Serpent∞King (talk) 15:49, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   While I do see your point, I have been trying to be more active on the mainspace, and I plan on reaching 1000 soon. Disaster Flare (talk) 15:54, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Update: Just to keep everyone up to speed, in total edit count, I just reached 1000 today. Disaster Flare (talk) 14:38, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

   Miles, I urge you to reevaluate this vote. DF has made some significant improvement over the last few weeks, and I am now much more convinced of his ability to handle adminship. At the very least, I would like you to explain more indepth the reason for opposing this RfA. Serpent King 18:34, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   Lack of experience continues to be the deciding factor for me for the time being. Again, DF has done nothing to indicate that he would be a bad admin per se, but I feel that he needs more experience with both wikis generally and with SmashWiki specifically before adminship would be appropriate. Miles (talk) 23:41, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   Well if it makes you feel any better Miles, Serpent is showing me the ropes on coding. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:47, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   Indeed. He can make tables now! Serpent King 23:53, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   And that's the kind of progress I hope you continue to make, and which may make you a good candidate for a future RfA. However, I think this one is a bit too soon for me to feel comfortable supporting you. Miles (talk) 23:54, 9 November 2015 (EST)

   I fully understand and I respect your opinion. I will do my best to get better. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:55, 9 November 2015 (EST)

2. Oppose: I took a look through your history, and you don't seem to have any blemishes on your record. However, I'm not particularly impressed either; I only managed to find a few instances of you getting involved in a conflict or talking about a proposal, and I didn't see you add anything really substantial nor anything that really demonstrates the strength of your judgement. You don't appear to be a bad candidate, you may even be one of the better candidates at the moment, but a wiki shouldn't ever promote on a "why not?" basis, and I need to be convinced you gaining adminship would benefit the wiki beyond just giving it another person to ban vandals and take out the trash. I'm open to being convinced differently if you want to try. However, I suggest you not stressing yourself out so hard to "prove yourself", do not let the wiki consume you and do not put it at such a high priority for yourself, if you're capable of being admin it will show soon enough. One more thing for everyone else, edit count means absolutely nothing for one admin's capabilities, it should never be an argument for nor against someone. Omega Tyrant 08:49, 14 November 2015 (EST)

   I first want to apologize for not getting to this sooner, I meant to but things came up. Anyway, I want to start by agreeing with most of the things you've said, yes I don't make a point to be more part in conflict resolution or proposals. I would give you my word saying I would become a bigger part, but I know my word just won't cut it, and you need visual evidence before you can trust what I say. I will say however that I definitely want to be more part of things like that, there's just the matter of being at the right place at the right time, but I always try to scout the RC for anything I can help out with, whether it be vandals, expanding upon articles, uploading images, etc. Even when I'm not logged in, I still have a tendency to scout the RC just in case, that way I can quickly log in if something's wrong. I will also say that yes, while I was stressed about my RfA and about proving myself at first, in the process I have learned when I need to back off from the wiki, and I try to not let it take over my life. Now, probably the question you're wondering most: "Why do you think you would make a worthy admin?"

   Not that it would help sway your opinions at all, but one quality that really helps out is that I tend to be on longer during the day than the admins, even to really late at night. This is due to the fact that I'm a night owl, and I prefer to stay up at night to help me think better, which helps especially with articles. Now, this does not mean it consumes my life, as I also use any quiet time to take a break and work on my webcomic or something. I also know that I don't exactly have the experience you're looking for, but whether this RfA passes or fails, I still want to improve. Serpent King's already teaching me more advanced code so I can better help around the wiki. He's been a very valuable mentor to me and I'm happy to work with him. I know your main concern is me just being another janitor. Heck, even I don't want that, and I've been trying hard to make sure that it doesn't. Like, okay, so even when I'm offline, I'm still working in a way, not just because I'd still be patrolling the RC, but also because I tend to work on drafts for things while I'm offline, or use it to think about creating my first template and what it would be. I want to improve, not just for the wiki, but for myself as well, and even if the application does fail, I'll take what I've learned from you and everyone else and use it to figure out what I need to improve on before I should make another attempt, that way I don't accidentally make a new one too soon, only to make a complete fool of myself. But again, I know just my word alone won't cut it, which is why I'll keep doing what I normally do, but better. Another thing I'd like to point out on why I'd be a good candidate is because of my general pacifism on the wiki, mostly during conflicts and whenever users are pushing me around. I try my best to stay as calm as possible during it, while trying to solve the conflict in the process. I gained this ability from my cousin actually (Her and I have never been on good terms, so in order to prevent a fight from breaking out, I had to learn to control my irritability, and I try my very best to not let anger show on the wiki, regardless of how much something may bother me. If you have any questions or anything else that you need to help further prove that I'm a candidate, then please do not hesitate to let me know. Disaster Flare (talk) 04:36, 15 November 2015 (EST)

   For you and anyone else who's having second thoughts or having trouble deciding. Disaster Flare (talk) 15:57, 16 November 2015 (EST)

   I read through your response, and the qualification page you filled out. However, I remain unconvinced you would be a fully competent admin that wouldn't just be a handy janitor. Your linked examples of dispute resolution skills really didn't do anything to change my prior judgment. And I don't think pacifism is a beneficial trait for an admin; an admin needs to be fully willing to get involved in conflicts, confront users, and be willing to be strict when problems arise. However, I do think you have potential, and will be observing you for the coming months, to better gauge your admin capabilities for when you make another RfA down the line. Omega Tyrant 18:13, 16 November 2015 (EST)

   In hindsight, pacifism was a poor choice for a word, as I have confronted in the past, but nonetheless, I thank you for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you again in the coming months. Disaster Flare (talk) 21:27, 16 November 2015 (EST)

3. Changing my vote again to oppose. Simply put, your comment that you have been trying to impress people just goes to further my point. But whether or not you do stop it if you're promoted, it means you weren't, and as far as I can tell still aren't, ready for admin powers. You shouldn't have to try; if you were ready to handle a position of power like this, it would come more naturally. And as much as I hate receiving this type of answer, I'm forced to give it: wait. Stick around. Stop trying so hard, and just be a part of the community. Until it's clear that you're ready and not just because you've been striving to be perfect, I can't support this. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 22:10, 18 November 2015 (EST)

   I will admit, trying to impress people isn't exactly what I've been trying to do anymore, with it really only being used at the very beginning. However, after seeing what you and Omega had to say, I do see a point of I may not exactly be ready after all yet, which is why I'm considering withdrawing the application. Disaster Flare (talk) 17:25, 19 November 2015 (EST)

   I think I'll wait however, I'd rather know what Toomai thinks. Disaster Flare (talk) 04:12, 20 November 2015 (EST)

Neutral

1. Already? I have no opinion as of yet, waiting for other inputs, so I will be Neutral for now. DekZek, The creature of your nightmares 00:36, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Not a problem, again, I don't mind if I fail. If I do I'll at least have come out of it knowing what I need to improve upon. Disaster Flare (talk) 00:37, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   That didn't go so well for me, lol. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 02:36, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

2. Neutral leaning to oppose: The honest truth? I have only seen you active recently. Your edit count is below 1000, and I have yet to see dispute handling skills from you. This was too soon, become a more active part of our wiki then try again. Now, this vote can be swayed either direction. Start participating in and resolving disputes, make more substantial edits, and keep up your good work with rollback and I may consider changing to support. Ignoring this will most likely result in my moving to oppose in the long run. Serpent∞King (talk) 00:44, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Yeah, that's what I've trying to do the last week. I perfectly see your point though, and I will try my best to become a bigger part of the wiki, regardless of whether this succeeds or fails. Disaster Flare (talk) 00:47, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Changing to Neutral because you handled this (among other recent disputes) perfectly. Serpent∞King (talk) 01:14, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

   His edit count is now above 1000 and he also fixed the deprecated code of all Smasher pages (well not without me doing a lot too but..). He also added trophy descriptions for the majority of items. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 15:32, 2 November 2015 (EST)

   Correction, all of them (at least to my knowledge). I've also been the sole contributor to the list of tripping attacks from SSB4, added trophy info for Poké Ball Pokémon and Assist Trophies, and I'm currently checking prerelease images. Disaster Flare (talk) 15:35, 2 November 2015 (EST)

3. Neutral leaning towards oppose. Only ever seen you until now, and you don't seem very active either. Removing my vote as I don't feel educated enough to have a say in this. Simply just because I didn't do my homework, so I shouldn't have the choice of this :P F0rZ3r0F0r (talk) 02:47, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   On the contrary, I do try to get on every day now for the past month, but noted regardless. Disaster Flare (talk) 03:06, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Uhh...wha? Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 18:06, 17 November 2015 (EST)

   People will sometimes just retract a vote entirely. It's not an impossible thing, so. Disaster Flare (talk) 18:07, 17 November 2015 (EST)

4. Oppositionally neutral. You do a lot. Do more. You're a vertebrate. Show us your backbone. Repeat. Keep repeating for a long time. Then apply again. Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 04:30, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   That's what I'll do, but I'd like to see how this turns out first before I go thinking about applying again. Disaster Flare (talk) 12:59, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Ok. Sorry if that was unhelpful. Of all the users that have requested last week, I will say that I oppose yours the least, due to the fact that you've made some good and sensible edits. Adminship may or may not be in your sight, but just keep it up for now and see where it takes you. Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 22:26, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   That's what I'm doing, thank you for the advice. It helps more than you may think. Disaster Flare (talk) 22:47, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Cool man. Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 23:07, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

5. Neutral. You'd be great with dealing with vandalism and decent with disputes judging from thus far, but I'd like to see more mainspace edits. Nyargleblargle Let's go Mets! (Talk · Contribs) 07:03, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   That's the plan Nyargle. As the days go by I find more and more ways I can contribute, so it's no longer a matter of "what am I supposed to edit." Disaster Flare (talk) 12:59, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   I'll probably revisit in a couple weeks, then. Nyargleblargle Let's go Mets! (Talk · Contribs) 13:48, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   I'll be looking forward to it. Disaster Flare (talk) 15:15, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   I feel like whenever someone says "Do more" or "Contribute more", it always seems like one of these three: redundanf, inconsistent, and/or vague. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 16:16, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

6. Neutral, leaning towards support I think you'd be a better admin than Aidan (no offense Aidan), and I believe that we need another admin, I just don't feel like I know you well enough to truthfully say either way, y'know? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 19:35, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Understandable, I was the same way about your admin attempt, no offense. Disaster Flare (talk) 19:42, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

   Changing my vote to neutral, leaning very slightly towards oppose. While, yes, you have been improving a lot since you applied, it all seems to be based around impressing us rather than actually being useful, which, while it is not inherently a bad thing, is a good implication that your improvements may halt once you become admin and no longer need to impress us. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 17:03, 10 November 2015 (EST)

   Yes, I will admit that I've been trying to impress people, but if I somehow implicated that was my only goal, I sincerely apologize, as that was not my intention. It's quite the opposite actually, while yes, I do want to impress people, I also want to improve for me as well, as I kick myself for not trying hard enough on Bulbapedia, and not trying hard enough on here when I first join. Whether this succeeds or fails, I plan on continuing improving, I plan on finding new ways to help around the wiki, and with Serpent recently starting to teach me more advanced coding for making templates, etc., I feel like I can contribute even more to the wiki than I ever could before, and that's what I will do, no matter the outcome. I appreciate your concerns, and I once again apologize if my actions have seemed in any way malicious or misguided. Disaster Flare (talk) 17:38, 10 November 2015 (EST)

7. 'Neutral, slightly towards support' Not sure if you deserved to pass and become an admin in my eyes. But recently, I see you working hard diligently. You went from being questionable candidate to more of the better admin candidates I seen before. Should you keep it up and show more of what you are capable of? I will change my opinion. Luigi540 (talk) 00:54, 31 October 2015 (EDT)

   I will try my very best (I'll try not to overwork myself though, that wouldn't be good). :D Disaster Flare (talk) 00:57, 31 October 2015 (EDT)

8. Very neutral I'd love to say "go on then, let's have another admin, waheyyy", but I just don't have a good reason to do so. For the first time in years, SmashWiki is finally going to have a reasonable number of active administrators, and you sadly missed the bandwagon to jump into that number. You've proven a proficient user thus far, but not in a way that proves you more proficient than, or just particularly different to our other candidates. I'd be very pleased on a personal level to see you promoted, but I don't have a good reason to vote that way. Toast ltimatum 09:57, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Comments

Say you're an admin and you get into a dispute with an experienced user. You are 100% sure about your side of the debate. Say, then, other users enter the debate against you. What do you do? Serpent∞King (talk) 00:54, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

It depends, there's the question that needs to be considered of "If we were to go with their side, would it make the page better or worse if it involves a page?" (Since most disputes on SmashWiki usually involve pages, we'll use this as an example) I like to experiment, especially with pages, and if an event like this were to happen, then I'd take what they're so insistent on and experiment the change (using the preview button in order to do so mind you.) If it somehow improves the page, then it definitely needs to be approved, if I'm still not sure however, I'd most likely screencap it and post it as a user image and ask those who think it'd make it better what they think. Disaster Flare (talk) 00:59, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Would you mind linking to attempts at conflict resolution? Nyargleblargle Let's go Mets! (Talk · Contribs) 06:08, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I'm not DF, but here and here. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 06:29, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I'd like to say though that the first one may not be the best example of how I'd deal with a dispute, that's just me though. Disaster Flare (talk) 12:59, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I'd like to point out this recent fight too. Disaster Flare (talk) 01:22, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

Guys, do keep in mind that just because someone has a low edit count and not being here long enough doesn't mean that they aren't already denied for a successful RfA; although I would admit that yes, some of his contributions may not be so much admin-quality but he still did make some good overall quality edits too. Dots (talk) The G-Man 22:03, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Excellent point Dots, yes, while I may not have the most edits out of anyone on the wiki, keep in mind I am a veteran of Bulbapedia, and I'd be willing to show my contributions there if it's needed. I doubt it will be, but the option's there just in case. Disaster Flare (talk) 22:47, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I suggest we try and make this page as short as possible so we don't make the Wiki a lag sandbox. User:ThePikaPlayer 3:8, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

...What? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 15:53, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Not really gonna happen Pika. Admin applications are very high-profile, and they kinda need to be long so that way everyone can state their honest opinions before Toomai makes a decision. Disaster Flare (talk) 17:20, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Oh, OK. Hope I didn't mess up. I'm just trying to make this a better place. User:ThePikaPlayer 5:26, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

It's perfectly fine, I understand you're new here and don't quite have the ropes yet. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask someone and we'll do our best to help if we can. Disaster Flare (talk) 17:27, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Let's just hope it doesn't get more than 90KB big like ToastUltimatum's second one did. That one was overdone with backlash from OT, even as someone who probably admires him more than anyone on the wiki (no offense). Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 17:39, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

I'm not sure what to say, but it's somewhere along the lines of "I think that's what I said earlier." Pika, Wild Turkey appeared! Talkz 19:17, 3 November 2015 (EST)

(reset indent) Eh I doubt that'll happen anyway. I have no quarrel with anyone on the site and as far as I know, nobody has anything bad against me, though it sucks that not a lot of people are voting, I could really use some advice if I'm doing something wrong, y'know? Disaster Flare (talk) 19:34, 3 November 2015 (EST)

I'm not sure what to do with this at the moment, and am mostly commenting as an indicator that I'm not ignoring it. The main roadblock currently is that I honestly don't know who you are. Despite seeing you make a bunch of edits recently, I don't recognize your username at all, and it's spooking me out. I'm going to have to research your edit history or something. Toomai Glittershine The Orchestral 11:35, 1 November 2015 (EST)

ahem. Also the fact that an unfamiliar usename spooks you out made my day. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 11:39, 1 November 2015 (EST)

Probably because he doesn't know Flare from Bublbaboy. But then again, nobody knows anybody old who changed their username. Pika, Wild Turkey appeared! Talkz 11:09, 4 November 2015 (EST)

Already taken care of. I messaged him on his talk page telling him how he'd know me. Disaster Flare (talk) 12:50, 4 November 2015 (EST)

Ok, I'm gonna say this: this is taking way too long. Fortunately, Disaster Flare has a ton of perseverance, but we need to come to some sort of consensus. Let's hope that it arrives before the sun gets so hot Earth becomes Venus. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 22:00, 6 November 2015 (EST)

It's only been just over a week... ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 22:03, 6 November 2015 (EST)

Yeah, if it were 6 months, then that'd be a problem... o_o Disaster Flare (talk) 22:04, 6 November 2015 (EST)

From my experience, these normally last 1-2 months. DekZek 22:08, 6 November 2015 (EST)

@YouNuttyChild (;-)), SERIOUSLY?! It's felt like forever. Geez, wow... Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 22:12, 6 November 2015 (EST)

Well...mine took 3 months...so... Serpent King 22:18, 6 November 2015 (EST)

Its also been less than two weeks since this started. With dispute stalemates like these, discussions could take a ton of time to resolve. :P Dots (talk) The Captain 00:05, 7 November 2015 (EST)

For me, it's like Ganonmew said, "It's felt like forever." Pika, Wild Turkey appeared! Talk 09:23, 7 November 2015 (EST)

I am going to give you a chance to get me in support:

Say there is a newer user who is not quite familiar with our policies yet. Now say someone corrects their edits and leaves messages on their talk page, but they are a bit...overboard ("OMG will you PLEASE sign your comments? You're so annoying..." etc). The new user continues to violate the policy. How do you resolve the situation? Serpent King 01:30, 9 November 2015 (EST)

As per your previous question, it depends. For one thing, if the user who's trying to correct them is saying being rude like that, I'm going to scold them no matter what, because there's no need to be rude to anyone, no matter what wrongdoing they've committed. When it comes to the user, that's difficult to determine. It'd have to depend on how exactly they're violating policies and what policies they're violating, for instance, a signed comment issue, I'm going to be a bit easygoing on, as it's not a terrible issue, just a minor issue that can be fixed rather quickly. Most likely the reason they'd ignore it is maybe because the user's being rude to them. I know I wouldn't wanna listen to someone who's being rude to me, so I'd talk to them myself, explain why exactly they're being called out, apologize for said user's misbehavior, and link them to the policies and hope they'll listen then. If not, then I'll remind them a couple more times, give them a few more chances, you know. If they continue to break the policies, then at that point I know I have no choice but to issue a penalty. The penalty would depend on the severity of the policy violation, but since they'd most likely be good faith, then it wouldn't be TOO severe, just enough to get their attention. At that point I'd put one more message on their talk page explaining why they faced a penalty and ask kindly to refrain from doing it again and to look at the policies they've been violating. Hopefully this helps, and if you need further information, don't hesitate to ask. Disaster Flare (talk) 01:44, 9 November 2015 (EST)

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