Talk:Super Smash Bros. Ultimate/Archive 1

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Day 1 notes

Various miscellaneous observations while I'm at work:

• The official website (smashbros.com) is now reworked into a site for the Switch installment with a layout similar to the 3DS/Wii U site. The old SSB4 content seems to be moved to a new subdomain but isn't live there yet (check the bottom right corner).
• Sakurai tweeted out the announcement trailer but his specific level of involvement is not yet confirmed.
• We should be cautious with identifying characters from their silhouettes in the trailer; they're probably obvious but we should hedge accordingly ("silhouettes resembling X, Y, and Z are in the trailer" as opposed to "X, Y, and Z are confirmed playable").

Sorry for the impromptu notes here, but I thought they should be noted somewhere and I can't be on Discord to coordinate at the moment. Miles (talk) 18:02, 8 March 2018 (EST)

the link is just bugged Serpent  King 18:08, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Sakurai's involvement is confirmed apparently. 24.12.185.109 19:26, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Protect page?

For... obvious reasons, full protection might be in order here. I believe we full-protected the SSB4 articles before release, so we should do the same for SSB Switch. Bwburke94 (talk) 18:49, 8 March 2018 (EST)

I feel like full protection wouldn't be necessary as of right now (considering nothing problematic has happened yet in terms of edit warring), and the page as it is right now was basically created by non-admins. If people started repeatedly adding false information, then protection would probably be necessary. Awesome Cardinal 2000 18:56, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Fucks Sake It Is A New Instalment And Link Is In His Breath Of The Wild Design

It Is Smash 5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.74.131 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 8 March 2018 (EST)

We appreciate the thought, but this is improper use of a talk page. Aidan, the Rurouni 22:39, 8 March 2018 (EST)

There is no evident proof that it is completely new. It could be an "enhanced port" which could be considered a "half-sequel". So please calm down.

"whether this is a new title or a port of a previous game is unknown"

So, based on the nature of the release trailer, Sakurai's tweets, and zero lack of indication otherwise, would it be safe to assume that this is a completely new game and not a reinstallment of an old game on the Switch? (The News template has this line and I think it's unnecessary.) Awesome Cardinal 2000 02:23, 9 March 2018 (EST)

Given that the idea of Smash on Switch being an extended version of the 3DS/Wii U version has been very common among fans for a long time (influenced by the number of other Wii U ports that have functioned similarly such as Tropical Freeze, MK8, Pokken, even Captain Toad as of this Direct), I feel it's a warranted statement of ambiguity until we see actual gameplay. Miles (talk) 02:53, 9 March 2018 (EST)

I think it is important for us to see more before we say it's not a port. If we are even willing to say Inklings are not offically confirmed as playable, then why not be as careful overall? It likely could be in a grey area- perhaps with the Smash 4 engine and such. RobSir zx 08:09, 9 March 2018 (EST)

We don't have to explicitly say that it isn't a port, but because there's no evidence to indicate that it is, we shouldn't introduce the conflict as though there is evidence for both sides. 73.147.234.34 20:46, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Nintendo would have to say that it's a port to be a port. The teaser showed Inklings and Breath of the Wild Link. Our evidence suggesting it being a port? Some leaker said so. The 3DS version was so different from the Wii U, and the gameplay's been the same since the N64 and Melee, it's hard to tell what's a port in the Smash Bros series. SeanWheeler (talk) 21:04, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Second longest gap between games

I think this trivia should be removed for a number of reasons:

1. We haven't officially confirmed that it is a new game and not just a port. If we're including ports, it would be the third gap, as the shortest gap is between for 3DS and for Wii U, only two months.
2. Second out of four isn't particularly notable.
3. It hasn't been released yet and Smash Bros. is notorious for being delayed, which could make the gap closer to if not longer than Brawl to SSB4's six-year one.

TheNuttyOne (talk) 20:35, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Long time no see, Nutta.

1. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Mario Kart 8 are treated as two entities because one is a port of another. Smash Wii U and Smash 3DS are the same game, for different consoles; regardless of whether Switch Smash is a port, it's still a different entity from the original Smash 4.
2. This one, I have no real argument against.
3. Switch Smash is not going to get delayed by a few years. Smash 3DS got delayed by a few months after Sakurai said it'd be releasing in the summer back in the April Direct.

Aidan, the Rurouni 21:13, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Fair enough. Still, I think the second reason is enough to remove it. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 22:13, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Agreed Awesome Cardinal 2000 22:42, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Evidently my account merge did not also include autoconfirmation, so would someone like to remove it? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 21:33, 11 March 2018 (EDT)

I'll get it. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 21:43, 11 March 2018 (EDT)

I hate to continue to beat the dead horse, but in the time that has passed since I made my comment and more trivia has been added to the page, I have come to a response to point number 2: the topmost trivia point is also a second out of four one. If that one is notable enough to merit a point, then so is this. Aidan, the Irish Rurouni 23:59, 11 March 2018 (EDT)

Then... that one should be removed, too. TheNuttyOne 23:54, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

"If that one is notable enough to merit a point, then so is this." Aidan, the Irish Rurouni 00:51, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

"Then... that one should be removed, too."

Right now, we have 3:1 saying "second of four" = not notable. I didn't notice that particular point, so I didn't mention it. However, the existence of another point that goes against the (current) consensus isn't reason to ignore the consensus. Should other people wish to speak up and change the consensus, that's another thing, but as of right now we have no reason for either trivia point to be there. TheNuttyOne 23:49, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

Wait, the topmost trivia point is a first out of four(/second out of five) anyway. So your argument is also inaccurate. TheNuttyOne 23:56, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

Bowser supposedly confirmed for Smash 5

Gentlemen, I have breaking news regarding returning veterans...

1. According to twitter user @Marcus_Sellers, Bowser of Super Mario Bros. fame has been allegedly confirmed to be playable for Super Smash Bros. 5 as another twitter user going by the name of Smash Switch News reported a few days ago (11th March as this is being posted).

Those are not primary sources. We cannot accept this proof unless it's from an official Nintendo source. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 05:00, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

Except Bowser's silhouette can clearly be seen in the trailer, and thus, even though he hasn't been clearly confirmed yet, it should be noted in the article. I don't see what's wrong with saying something like "Bowser's silhouette can be seen in the first trailer; this implies that he will be returning to the newest game, although this has not yet been explicitly confirmed." Awesome Cardinal 2000 12:05, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

I second that, if it can be seen, it should be noted. Aidan, the Irish Rurouni 12:09, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

It's already noted, under the "Veterans" section. JaeDy (talk) 12:52, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

The user who originally started the discussion was referring to the Bowser article. Awesome Cardinal 2000 15:04, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

I mean, nothing is official yet, but it should be pretty obvious that Bowser is a returning character.