Talk:Tournament rulesets (SSBB)

I fixed all the grammar and spelling errors I found. I don't know which Yoshi's Island stage he is talking about though. If someone who knows which one it is could fix it, this article would be free of the evil red links. Thanks, BEN!

Nevermind, I fixed it. BEN!

Evo/All-Brawl rulesets?

Though from a practical standpoint it would probably be a horrible idea, I think these rulesets should *technically* be mentioned. I personally think they're stupid, but mentioning them might remove possible perceived bias in the article. capefeather (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Everything I've seen from other discussion areas for Smash Bros. utterly rejects the Evo ruleset. Also, as Evo was held before the SBR released this, there is no way of knowing if they would have followed these or not. If the next evo uses their dumb rules, maybe we'll consider mentioning them here. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 22:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

"Effective governing body?"

For who? Sure as blazes not for me. I've never played in a Smash tournament that uses their rules and I never will. I refuse to recognize them as official, de facto or otherwise. Thanos6 (talk) 15:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I could care less whose rules you subscribe to. Ken, Isai, Mew2King, PC Chris, Korean DJ, Gimpyfish, and every other significant pro level player and every major tournament except Evo (which is not always considered legit by the pros) uses the SBR as their governing body. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 16:05, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

That's like saying because Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Magic Johnson all play basketball one way, that is THE ONLY TRUE AND RIGHTFUL OFFICIAL WAY TO PLAY. No it isn't. There's a million variations of basketball. Is the one the NBA uses more widespread? Yes, but it's not "official." Same with baseball, or football (American or otherwise), or Smash. Thanos6 (talk)

I hate to break it to you, but your comparison doesn't really work (at least in so far as it doesn't prove what you want it to). First off, rule variance between professional basketball leagues is actually very, very minimal. Second off, technically speaking, basketball does have a de jure international governing body (the International Basketball Federation) which produces a single set of standard, intentional rules (though it is true that, for the purposes of intra-league play, each league may govern its own rules). Now consider Smash. In the same way that every individual basketball league is free to govern its own rules, every individual tournament is technically free to use whatever rules it so chooses. That said, however, in the same way that the FIBA produces a single set of internationally accepted rules for basketball, the SBR produces a single set of internationally accepted rules for Smash. Here's the difference though. When it comes to basketball, there are several rule sets that are important enough (in so far as how widely they're used -- and just because you could potentially use an infinite number of rule sets doesn't mean that there exist an infinite number of noteworthy rule sets, nor does it mean that noteworthy rule sets do not exist) rule sets to merit mention, FIBA's, the NBA's, possibly the CBA's, etc (I'm not actually sure that there exist any other accepted rule sets for basketball, to be frank). In Smash, there's only one, the SBR's. Oh, and by the way, it's entirely irrelevant whether you choose to accept that rule set. It doesn't claim to be "THE ONLY TRUE AND RIGHTFUL OFFICIAL WAY TO PLAY." The only thing that matters is that the SBR rule set is almost universally accepted for the purposes of professional tournament play (thus making it, by definition, the de facto governing body). I can organize a tournament in which the players don't have to ever dribble the ball and call it basketball, but I suspect you'd agree that my tournament's rules don't belong next to the NBA's on Wikipedia's Rules of Basketball page. In the same way, you can play Smash however you like (and you can go to tournaments that use whatever rules they like), but this is still the accepted standard for tournament legal. – Defiant Elements +talk 06:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I do NOT agree with that. If you set up a basketball tournament like that, I would totally support listing it on the rules of basketball page. I do not believe in "noteworthiness;" if something EXISTS, it is noteworthy. And while the SBR rules may be the most widespread, they are no more official than the "anything goes" rules at the tournaments I play in. If you want to put that those rules are the accepted standard, go ahead, but don't call them official, because they're not. Thanos6 (talk) 06:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, now you're just being thick. Just the fact that something exists doesn't make it notable. As defined by Merriam-Webster dictionary, something is notable if it is "remarkable, distinguished and/or prominent." Let me make something painfully clear to you: In the context of Smash rules, you and your rule set are none of the above, ergo, they and you are not notable. You can have whatever problems with these rules that you want, but quite frankly, it's irrelevant. Oh, and as for your comment that the basketball rules aren't "official" either, why do they call the refs "officials" then? Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 11:49, January 20, 2009

Actually, I'd say you're the one being thick, but I'm not trying to make this personal. If something exists and has been observed, it has been noted. And if it has been noted, it is distinguished. Therefore, noteworthy (that whole "notability" guideline that threatens to spread through the wikis like a plague will doom them eventually). As for your last question, wow, that's a wonderful attempt to play semantics. They're called officials because they officiate. They enforce the rules that have been agreed on for that game; not universal, completely agreed upon rules. Again: if you want to say they're a largely accepted standard, go ahead, but official they are not. Thanos6 (talk) 16:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Ummmm... I just figured that I'd point out that according to your logic, everyone and everything is distinguished and noteworthy seeing as how everyone and everything "exists and has been observed." Seeing as how the definition of distinguished is "made conspicuous by excellence; eminent; famous," what you're essentially arguing is that everyone is eminent and famous. Indeed, not only that, but that everyone is eminent and famous to the same degree given that you're arguing that my hypothetical basketball tournament's rules are equal in notability to those of the NBA. Can you see how that logic doesn't really work? If you can't... well... then this is a pointless discussion. – Defiant Elements +talk 18:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Since when is there politics in Smash Bros.? i say that if these are the only set of rules, then refer to them if you want. But one can't say that because Pro's use it it's THE rules.s SBR a 'governing body" os Smash? is that morally right?

What the hell? Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 17:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)