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See the {{s|SmashWiki|Sandbox}}.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 03:33, February 11, 2024 (EST) | See the {{s|SmashWiki|Sandbox}}.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 03:33, February 11, 2024 (EST) | ||
:I don't know about the layout. The image column seems too cramped to fit in the name of the spirits, even for long named spirits. And merging the other columns would leave a wide gape in the inspirations column.[[User:Autismo555|Autismo555]] ([[User talk:Autismo555|talk]]) 13:19, February 11, 2024 (EST) | |||
:Not a fan of the idea. | :Not a fan of the idea. | ||
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:#It is still useful for the Collection, quick lookup, and being a reliable piece of data to sort by. | :#It is still useful for the Collection, quick lookup, and being a reliable piece of data to sort by. | ||
:The overall suggestion also gives way too much space to the inspirations; nearly 53% of the width on a 1920x1080 monitor is now dedicated to, in my opinion, useless information. And this still wouldn't solve the real problem that has been talked about for years: the tables are near useless on small screens because the inspiration stretches the entire row vertically. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 17:09, February 11, 2024 (EST) | :The overall suggestion also gives way too much space to the inspirations; nearly 53% of the width on a 1920x1080 monitor is now dedicated to, in my opinion, useless information. And this still wouldn't solve the real problem that has been talked about for years: the tables are near useless on small screens because the inspiration stretches the entire row vertically. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 17:09, February 11, 2024 (EST) | ||
::Yes, this is a compromise that at least slightly improves the problem. I'm curious why the above scheme is not implemented, it seems to work fine.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 02:30, February 12, 2024 (EST) | ::Yes, this is a compromise that at least slightly improves the problem. I'm curious why the above scheme is not implemented, it seems to work fine. | ||
::The first point is just a matter of habit, and people adapt quickly. Additionally the rules can be considered part of the stage setting, which is indeed the case in the game. | |||
::Also, primary spirits listlist seems to have this problem too. Is it possible to merge base and max statistics? | |||
::--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 02:30, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::It does not improve the problem because the inspirations are still a monolith. Great you can scroll horizontally to the left less but you still have to scroll vertically an unnecessary amount just to see the spirits type; if you're reading the inspiration and want to check the data, you still have at least a 50% chance to scroll left and be met with blank space. | |||
:::A reasonable habit that we shouldn't break; we shouldn't expect readers to relearn something that goes against 99% of tables they encounter. | |||
:::No; 1, it is not that crowded and you don't get lost scrolling when on smaller screens. 2, you cannot sort in a way that allows you to find the absolute minimum and the absolute maximum with a range--that is, you can't find the lowest lvl 1 stat and the highest lvl 99 stat reliably with sorting, same deal with max lvl 1 and min lvl 99. 3, we dealt with a [[Special:PermanentLink/1385203|similar deal in the past]] and no one liked it. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 04:34, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
::::How about this {{s|SmashWiki|Sandbox}}, hiding it is the only way I can think of.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 05:03, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::::You should link to the specific Sandbox edits, because when the Sandbox is inevitably cleared people won't see your edits. Collapsible elements have been tried and do not work on mobile. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 05:21, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
:So, I guess the only way to separate spirit battles and inspiration, and give they its own page.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 05:48, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
::Cue to the huge thing I wrote 3 years ago right at the top of this talk page: I still think that the "inspiration" should be a separate array. We could have a first array with the all the spirits of the series for the "history" data (series, origin game, artwork source), then a separate array for each spirit category with focus ont their "gameplay" data (type, stats, effects, ...), then a spirit battle array with all the battle data, and finally the inspiration array. Having an "inspiration" array outside of the battle one will also allow spirits without a battle to still have relevant inspiration bullet points for their category type, or effect (like how a JRPG priest could be a support spirit with a healing effect because that's what they do in their own game). [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 07:41, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::What the end result would look like is still in my [[User:YoshiRyu/Sandbox|sandbox]] by the way. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 07:44, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
::::Yes I noticed the discussion at the top and that's why I posted this here, surprisingly the issue still hasn't improved until now. However, since separating these would make the other universe page too large, it would be necessary to put the mental battles and inspiration on separate page.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 10:25, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::As time goes on the more I'm leaning towards something like that and moving "inspirations" over to something like <nowiki>[[List of spirits (Super Mario series)/Spirit trivia]]</nowiki>. It would be a simple solution that expands the scope with the only real downside being that the info is disconnected, but that effectively already happens on mobile. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 07:47, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
::::I mean move spirit battles and inspiration together to other pages like <nowiki>[[List of Spirit Battles (Super Mario series)]]</nowiki>. Since 80% of inspiration is about spirit battles and not the spirits themselves, and spirit battles list also has image and type, so readers don't need to look at other lists.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 09:17, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::::Your solution to the gigantic inspiration stuff is to not do anything with it and just hide it? The idea of splitting just the inspiration is that we can make it more than just spirit battle trivia, unlike now where non-battle trivia is awkwardly grafted on. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 10:13, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
::::::I mean do both, separate spirit battles and inspiration, but still putting inspiration on the same page of spirit battles. --[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 10:32, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
:::::::The spirit battle tables would look perfectly fine if just the inspiration was removed. They are about in-game data while the inspirations aren't so the battles are better off on the main page. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 10:52, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
::::::::Since [[Summon]] and [[Enhanceable spirit]] have their own pages, there seems to be very little trivia left that isn't related to battles. Since 80% of the inspiration is about spirit battles, I thought it would be more convenient to put them together. --[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 11:08, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
<small>(reset indent)</small> There's still spirits unrepresented on any list. And I'd argue that we should remove those trivia columns too. To my knowledge it was added without consensus. It would make those pages look nicer and unify the trivia into one spot, and make it possible to report on spirits that don't fall under the 3 sections. Kill 3+ birds with 1 stone. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 11:22, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||
:Other trivia is mainly type, abilitie, and the world of light, I think these are still of reference value. Maybe can add a new header part. It can accommodate if the inspiration is a separate list.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 11:55, February 12, 2024 (EST) | |||